[freenet-support] Darknet Question .... and some other fundamental Qs

2008-08-06 Thread Matthew Toseland 
On Monday 04 August 2008 02:32, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote:
> Well, the entire point of Freenet is that nobody can know where the data
> originated. So if you're asking if there's a way to only get data inserted
> by nodes you're friends with - no. That would defeat the purpose of Freenet.
> If you're asking if you can only get data that is stored on your friends'
> nodes, then yes, setting it to only one hop should work I believe (But then
> again, I'm not _too_ familiar with how Freenet works. Especially 0.7.) But
> if you're trying to limit access to a small number of peers, can't you just
> set it as darknet and only add those peers?

The easiest solution is to try to ensure that nobody adds anyone outside of 
your local group.
> 
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Benjamin Hecht 
wrote:
> 
> > > direct friends have in their store. Are yu trying to create an old
> > > fashion darknet where only a few people have access to it ?
> > >
> >
> > Yes, a darknet of peers located on the same LAN (for bandwidth
> > reasons). Can Freenet be configured to allow only pushing/pulling from
> > friends (and not from friends of friends). I understand that the
> > current Freenet paradigm is setup in such a way that a node cannot
> > tell if a friend was the origin of the data or if he is just caching
> > it so I am curious if such a setup is possible.
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Julien Cornuwel
> >  wrote:
> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >
> > > Benjamin Hecht a ?crit :
> > >> When using Darknet, are requests forwarded by friends that are not
> > >> friends of your node?
> > >>
> > >> For example, if you are friends (via Darknet) with (person A) and
> > >> (person B). And (person B) is friends with (person C) via Darknet,
> > >> will a request from (person A) to (B) be forwarded to (C) if that
> > >> piece is unavailable at (B).
> > >
> > > Yes it is. This is the only way to have a global darknet.
> > >
> > >> If it is, is it possible to disable this feature -- I guess in other
> > >> words, would changing maximum hops to 1 (if possible) prevent
> > >> searching "Friends of Friends" searching/downloading/pushing, etc.?
> > >
> > > Why would you want to do that ? You would only be able to see what your
> > > direct friends have in their store. Are yu trying to create an old
> > > fashion darknet where only a few people have access to it ?
> > >
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Re: [freenet-support] Darknet Question .... and some other fundamental Qs

2008-08-05 Thread Matthew Toseland 
On Monday 04 August 2008 02:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well, the entire point of Freenet is that nobody can know where the data
> originated. So if you're asking if there's a way to only get data inserted
> by nodes you're friends with - no. That would defeat the purpose of Freenet.
> If you're asking if you can only get data that is stored on your friends'
> nodes, then yes, setting it to only one hop should work I believe (But then
> again, I'm not _too_ familiar with how Freenet works. Especially 0.7.) But
> if you're trying to limit access to a small number of peers, can't you just
> set it as darknet and only add those peers?

The easiest solution is to try to ensure that nobody adds anyone outside of 
your local group.
> 
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Benjamin Hecht 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
> > > direct friends have in their store. Are yu trying to create an old
> > > fashion darknet where only a few people have access to it ?
> > >
> >
> > Yes, a darknet of peers located on the same LAN (for bandwidth
> > reasons). Can Freenet be configured to allow only pushing/pulling from
> > friends (and not from friends of friends). I understand that the
> > current Freenet paradigm is setup in such a way that a node cannot
> > tell if a friend was the origin of the data or if he is just caching
> > it so I am curious if such a setup is possible.
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Julien Cornuwel
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >
> > > Benjamin Hecht a écrit :
> > >> When using Darknet, are requests forwarded by friends that are not
> > >> friends of your node?
> > >>
> > >> For example, if you are friends (via Darknet) with (person A) and
> > >> (person B). And (person B) is friends with (person C) via Darknet,
> > >> will a request from (person A) to (B) be forwarded to (C) if that
> > >> piece is unavailable at (B).
> > >
> > > Yes it is. This is the only way to have a global darknet.
> > >
> > >> If it is, is it possible to disable this feature -- I guess in other
> > >> words, would changing maximum hops to 1 (if possible) prevent
> > >> searching "Friends of Friends" searching/downloading/pushing, etc.?
> > >
> > > Why would you want to do that ? You would only be able to see what your
> > > direct friends have in their store. Are yu trying to create an old
> > > fashion darknet where only a few people have access to it ?
> > >
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[freenet-support] Darknet Question .... and some other fundamental Qs

2008-08-03 Thread urza9...@gmail.com 
Well, the entire point of Freenet is that nobody can know where the data
originated. So if you're asking if there's a way to only get data inserted
by nodes you're friends with - no. That would defeat the purpose of Freenet.
If you're asking if you can only get data that is stored on your friends'
nodes, then yes, setting it to only one hop should work I believe (But then
again, I'm not _too_ familiar with how Freenet works. Especially 0.7.) But
if you're trying to limit access to a small number of peers, can't you just
set it as darknet and only add those peers?

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Benjamin Hecht wrote:

> > direct friends have in their store. Are yu trying to create an old
> > fashion darknet where only a few people have access to it ?
> >
>
> Yes, a darknet of peers located on the same LAN (for bandwidth
> reasons). Can Freenet be configured to allow only pushing/pulling from
> friends (and not from friends of friends). I understand that the
> current Freenet paradigm is setup in such a way that a node cannot
> tell if a friend was the origin of the data or if he is just caching
> it so I am curious if such a setup is possible.
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Julien Cornuwel
>  wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Benjamin Hecht a ?crit :
> >> When using Darknet, are requests forwarded by friends that are not
> >> friends of your node?
> >>
> >> For example, if you are friends (via Darknet) with (person A) and
> >> (person B). And (person B) is friends with (person C) via Darknet,
> >> will a request from (person A) to (B) be forwarded to (C) if that
> >> piece is unavailable at (B).
> >
> > Yes it is. This is the only way to have a global darknet.
> >
> >> If it is, is it possible to disable this feature -- I guess in other
> >> words, would changing maximum hops to 1 (if possible) prevent
> >> searching "Friends of Friends" searching/downloading/pushing, etc.?
> >
> > Why would you want to do that ? You would only be able to see what your
> > direct friends have in their store. Are yu trying to create an old
> > fashion darknet where only a few people have access to it ?
> >
> >
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2008-08-03 Thread Benjamin Hecht 
> direct friends have in their store. Are yu trying to create an old
> fashion darknet where only a few people have access to it ?
>

Yes, a darknet of peers located on the same LAN (for bandwidth
reasons). Can Freenet be configured to allow only pushing/pulling from
friends (and not from friends of friends). I understand that the
current Freenet paradigm is setup in such a way that a node cannot
tell if a friend was the origin of the data or if he is just caching
it so I am curious if such a setup is possible.

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Julien Cornuwel
 wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Benjamin Hecht a ?crit :
>> When using Darknet, are requests forwarded by friends that are not
>> friends of your node?
>>
>> For example, if you are friends (via Darknet) with (person A) and
>> (person B). And (person B) is friends with (person C) via Darknet,
>> will a request from (person A) to (B) be forwarded to (C) if that
>> piece is unavailable at (B).
>
> Yes it is. This is the only way to have a global darknet.
>
>> If it is, is it possible to disable this feature -- I guess in other
>> words, would changing maximum hops to 1 (if possible) prevent
>> searching "Friends of Friends" searching/downloading/pushing, etc.?
>
> Why would you want to do that ? You would only be able to see what your
> direct friends have in their store. Are yu trying to create an old
> fashion darknet where only a few people have access to it ?
>
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Re: [freenet-support] Darknet Question .... and some other fundamental Qs

2008-08-03 Thread urza9814 
Well, the entire point of Freenet is that nobody can know where the data
originated. So if you're asking if there's a way to only get data inserted
by nodes you're friends with - no. That would defeat the purpose of Freenet.
If you're asking if you can only get data that is stored on your friends'
nodes, then yes, setting it to only one hop should work I believe (But then
again, I'm not _too_ familiar with how Freenet works. Especially 0.7.) But
if you're trying to limit access to a small number of peers, can't you just
set it as darknet and only add those peers?

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Benjamin Hecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> > direct friends have in their store. Are yu trying to create an old
> > fashion darknet where only a few people have access to it ?
> >
>
> Yes, a darknet of peers located on the same LAN (for bandwidth
> reasons). Can Freenet be configured to allow only pushing/pulling from
> friends (and not from friends of friends). I understand that the
> current Freenet paradigm is setup in such a way that a node cannot
> tell if a friend was the origin of the data or if he is just caching
> it so I am curious if such a setup is possible.
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Julien Cornuwel
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Benjamin Hecht a écrit :
> >> When using Darknet, are requests forwarded by friends that are not
> >> friends of your node?
> >>
> >> For example, if you are friends (via Darknet) with (person A) and
> >> (person B). And (person B) is friends with (person C) via Darknet,
> >> will a request from (person A) to (B) be forwarded to (C) if that
> >> piece is unavailable at (B).
> >
> > Yes it is. This is the only way to have a global darknet.
> >
> >> If it is, is it possible to disable this feature -- I guess in other
> >> words, would changing maximum hops to 1 (if possible) prevent
> >> searching "Friends of Friends" searching/downloading/pushing, etc.?
> >
> > Why would you want to do that ? You would only be able to see what your
> > direct friends have in their store. Are yu trying to create an old
> > fashion darknet where only a few people have access to it ?
> >
> >
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2008-08-03 Thread Benjamin Hecht 
> direct friends have in their store. Are yu trying to create an old
> fashion darknet where only a few people have access to it ?
>

Yes, a darknet of peers located on the same LAN (for bandwidth
reasons). Can Freenet be configured to allow only pushing/pulling from
friends (and not from friends of friends). I understand that the
current Freenet paradigm is setup in such a way that a node cannot
tell if a friend was the origin of the data or if he is just caching
it so I am curious if such a setup is possible.

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Julien Cornuwel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Benjamin Hecht a écrit :
>> When using Darknet, are requests forwarded by friends that are not
>> friends of your node?
>>
>> For example, if you are friends (via Darknet) with (person A) and
>> (person B). And (person B) is friends with (person C) via Darknet,
>> will a request from (person A) to (B) be forwarded to (C) if that
>> piece is unavailable at (B).
>
> Yes it is. This is the only way to have a global darknet.
>
>> If it is, is it possible to disable this feature -- I guess in other
>> words, would changing maximum hops to 1 (if possible) prevent
>> searching "Friends of Friends" searching/downloading/pushing, etc.?
>
> Why would you want to do that ? You would only be able to see what your
> direct friends have in their store. Are yu trying to create an old
> fashion darknet where only a few people have access to it ?
>
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2008-08-03 Thread Julien Cornuwel 
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Benjamin Hecht a ?crit :
> When using Darknet, are requests forwarded by friends that are not
> friends of your node?
> 
> For example, if you are friends (via Darknet) with (person A) and
> (person B). And (person B) is friends with (person C) via Darknet,
> will a request from (person A) to (B) be forwarded to (C) if that
> piece is unavailable at (B).

Yes it is. This is the only way to have a global darknet.

> If it is, is it possible to disable this feature -- I guess in other
> words, would changing maximum hops to 1 (if possible) prevent
> searching "Friends of Friends" searching/downloading/pushing, etc.?

Why would you want to do that ? You would only be able to see what your
direct friends have in their store. Are yu trying to create an old
fashion darknet where only a few people have access to it ?


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Re: [freenet-support] Darknet Question .... and some other fundamental Qs

2008-08-03 Thread Julien Cornuwel 
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Benjamin Hecht a écrit :
> When using Darknet, are requests forwarded by friends that are not
> friends of your node?
> 
> For example, if you are friends (via Darknet) with (person A) and
> (person B). And (person B) is friends with (person C) via Darknet,
> will a request from (person A) to (B) be forwarded to (C) if that
> piece is unavailable at (B).

Yes it is. This is the only way to have a global darknet.

> If it is, is it possible to disable this feature -- I guess in other
> words, would changing maximum hops to 1 (if possible) prevent
> searching "Friends of Friends" searching/downloading/pushing, etc.?

Why would you want to do that ? You would only be able to see what your
direct friends have in their store. Are yu trying to create an old
fashion darknet where only a few people have access to it ?


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[freenet-support] Darknet Question .... and some other fundamental Qs

2008-08-02 Thread Benjamin Hecht 
When using Darknet, are requests forwarded by friends that are not
friends of your node?

For example, if you are friends (via Darknet) with (person A) and
(person B). And (person B) is friends with (person C) via Darknet,
will a request from (person A) to (B) be forwarded to (C) if that
piece is unavailable at (B).

If it is, is it possible to disable this feature -- I guess in other
words, would changing maximum hops to 1 (if possible) prevent
searching "Friends of Friends" searching/downloading/pushing, etc.?

How does the untrusted peers model work in this context. (Friend to
friend, etc.)

Thanks,

BJH

[freenet-support] Darknet Question .... and some other fundamental Qs

2008-08-02 Thread Benjamin Hecht 
When using Darknet, are requests forwarded by friends that are not
friends of your node?

For example, if you are friends (via Darknet) with (person A) and
(person B). And (person B) is friends with (person C) via Darknet,
will a request from (person A) to (B) be forwarded to (C) if that
piece is unavailable at (B).

If it is, is it possible to disable this feature -- I guess in other
words, would changing maximum hops to 1 (if possible) prevent
searching "Friends of Friends" searching/downloading/pushing, etc.?

How does the untrusted peers model work in this context. (Friend to
friend, etc.)

Thanks,

BJH
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