Re: [freenet-support] Two questions
On Sat, Feb 26, 2005 at 11:40:04AM +0100, Marco A. Calamari wrote: There is the trade-off with the overall time spent. Big site, in the range 50-500 Mb, requires 3-5 days and half a dozen of fiw restart, because it give varius kind of error memory/connection leaks (in fact can be fred, not fiw, who knows) Nice. :( Any details? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Two questions
On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 21:30 -0600, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:02:39 +0100, Marco A. Calamari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SOmenone haave suggestion about the HTL to unse for insertion in both stable and unstable Freenet ? I use 25, and let the network reduce it as it sees fit. MaxHTL (what the network reduces HTL to) is something like 20 these days. I had positive results inserting with htl=6 in stable. Someone else would likely have something better to say about that. I really hope so ;) Ciao. Marco I follow the advice given by FIW (the Freesite Insertion Wizard), i.e., for DBR sites, use a lower HTL (say, 15) than for an edition site or a one-shot site (where you may want to use, say, 25). This makes sense, and seems to work well enough. There is the trade-off with the overall time spent. Big site, in the range 50-500 Mb, requires 3-5 days and half a dozen of fiw restart, because it give varius kind of error memory/connection leaks (in fact can be fred, not fiw, who knows) The reasoning behind this is that the more frequently a site's data is updated, the less need for very deep insertions, as much of the data will be unchanged from one insert to the next, therefore a certain amount of redundancy is involved, resulting in an automatic reinforcement of the data within the network. Less frequently inserted data, on the other hand, basically only gets one chance to take, and will benefit from the deeper insertion (God, this sounds dirty, doesn't it?), distributing the data as far as possible into the network initially, helping it to later disseminate to other nodes more easily. Of course, there are other factors to consider as well. Some of the more popular edition/one-shot sites may be accessed much more frequently than some DBR sites, thereby helping the data to propagate throughout the network, whereas some less popular DBR sites may actually benefit from deeper insertion. It's not a perfect science; there are really no hard-and-fast rules. Just common sense and good judgement, basically, combined with how long you're willing to wait for your inserts to complete. :-) Me or the mankind ? ;) There is the limit of the proton half-life 8) Seriously, changing from htl 6/10 to htl 25 how much affect insert time, in your experience ? Ciao. Marco HTH -- Oggi e' il domani di cui ci dovevamo preoccupare ieri. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Two questions
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:02:39 +0100, Marco A. Calamari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 21:44 -0800, Todd Walton wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:41:36 +0100, Marco A. Calamari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the fact that [FIND] is still the one of 24/12/2004 is due I'm using the stable Freenet ? No. FIND is a DBR. If you can load it, then it's been inserted very recently. 23/12/2004 is the date of the proprietor's most recent comment. It's just that he hasn't found reason to comment since then. Many thanks for your answer, but the site say index generated 2004 12 22. Of course it is inserted every day, but seems to me unmantained since then. That is correct. Sonax, maintainer of FIND, has been having problems with the spider used to generate the index, and hasn't had the time or inclination to fix it. He's still inserting the site daily, but the actual index data has not been updated in a couple of months now. I've offered to help him resolve whatever issues are involved, but he says he just doesn't have the time or motivation to do it at this time. Perhaps at some (hopefully near) future date. SOmenone haave suggestion about the HTL to unse for insertion in both stable and unstable Freenet ? I use 25, and let the network reduce it as it sees fit. MaxHTL (what the network reduces HTL to) is something like 20 these days. I had positive results inserting with htl=6 in stable. Someone else would likely have something better to say about that. I really hope so ;) Ciao. Marco I follow the advice given by FIW (the Freesite Insertion Wizard), i.e., for DBR sites, use a lower HTL (say, 15) than for an edition site or a one-shot site (where you may want to use, say, 25). This makes sense, and seems to work well enough. The reasoning behind this is that the more frequently a site's data is updated, the less need for very deep insertions, as much of the data will be unchanged from one insert to the next, therefore a certain amount of redundancy is involved, resulting in an automatic reinforcement of the data within the network. Less frequently inserted data, on the other hand, basically only gets one chance to take, and will benefit from the deeper insertion (God, this sounds dirty, doesn't it?), distributing the data as far as possible into the network initially, helping it to later disseminate to other nodes more easily. Of course, there are other factors to consider as well. Some of the more popular edition/one-shot sites may be accessed much more frequently than some DBR sites, thereby helping the data to propagate throughout the network, whereas some less popular DBR sites may actually benefit from deeper insertion. It's not a perfect science; there are really no hard-and-fast rules. Just common sense and good judgement, basically, combined with how long you're willing to wait for your inserts to complete. :-) HTH -- Conrad J. Sabatier [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- In Unix veritas ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Two questions
Hi all, the fact that DFI is still the one of 24/12/2004 is due I'm using the stable Freenet ? SOmenone haave suggestion about the HTL to unse for insertion in both stable and unstable Freenet ? Thanks a lot. Marco -- Oggi e' il domani di cui ci dovevamo preoccupare ieri. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Two questions: Oooops
sorry, of curse I wanted write FIND, not DFI Thanks a lot. Marco -- Oggi e' il domani di cui ci dovevamo preoccupare ieri. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Two questions
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:41:36 +0100, Marco A. Calamari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the fact that [FIND] is still the one of 24/12/2004 is due I'm using the stable Freenet ? No. FIND is a DBR. If you can load it, then it's been inserted very recently. 23/12/2004 is the date of the proprietor's most recent comment. It's just that he hasn't found reason to comment since then. SOmenone haave suggestion about the HTL to unse for insertion in both stable and unstable Freenet ? I use 25, and let the network reduce it as it sees fit. MaxHTL (what the network reduces HTL to) is something like 20 these days. Someone else would likely have something better to say about that. -todd ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Two questions
On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 21:44 -0800, Todd Walton wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:41:36 +0100, Marco A. Calamari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the fact that [FIND] is still the one of 24/12/2004 is due I'm using the stable Freenet ? No. FIND is a DBR. If you can load it, then it's been inserted very recently. 23/12/2004 is the date of the proprietor's most recent comment. It's just that he hasn't found reason to comment since then. Many thanks for your answer, but the site say index generated 2004 12 22. Of course it is inserted every day, but seems to me unmantained since then. SOmenone haave suggestion about the HTL to unse for insertion in both stable and unstable Freenet ? I use 25, and let the network reduce it as it sees fit. MaxHTL (what the network reduces HTL to) is something like 20 these days. I had positive results inserting with htl=6 in stable. Someone else would likely have something better to say about that. I really hope so ;) Ciao. Marco -todd ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- +--- http://www.winstonsmith.info ---+ | il Progetto Winston Smith: scolleghiamo il Grande Fratello | | the Winston Smith Project: unplug the Big Brother | | Marco A. Calamari [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:// www.marcoc.it | | DSS/DH: 8F3E 5BAE 906F B416 9242 1C10 8661 24A9 BFCE 822B | + PGP RSA: ED84 3839 6C4D 3FFE 389F 209E 3128 5698 --+ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [freenet-support] two questions
Do you have any specific error logs? -Original Message-From: Mike Clemons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, 03 July, 2002 21:53To: u UlerSubject: Re: [freenet-support] two questions Windows xp. Usally when I shut down the node and run update snapshot the node wont start up again,it says freenet is having problems.But sometimes it does work, I think that when I shut down the node im not allowing enough time for it to completely stop before I update, this last time I gave it plenty of time to stop and it worked fine. - Original Message - From: u Uler To: Mike Clemons Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: RE: [freenet-support] two questions What system are you running, Windows or Linux? In Windows, there is an update snapshot program that should appear in your start menu. In Linux, there is a script. You should usually be able to update your snapshot by just shutting down your node. You shouldn't have to uninstall and reinstall it. Are you having a problem getting the script or update program to work? Wesley. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike ClemonsSent: Tuesday, 02 July, 2002 12:20To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [freenet-support] two questions what soes PANIC! just recreated heisenbug! mean and usally i have to uninstall freenet to update my snapshot so how do i keep my node the same if i have to uninstall it for each new build?
Re: [freenet-support] two questions
Mike Clemons ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: what soes PANIC! just recreated heisenbug! mean A heisenbug refers to a bug that's very difficult to reproduce or understand. It's a reference to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle from physics. If you can provide the details to the developers, it may help them. Since I've never seen that message myself, I have no idea what it actually means other than that. and usally i have to uninstall freenet to update my snapshot so how do i keep my node the same if i have to uninstall it for each new build? You don't need to uninstall it! Just stop the node, download the new snapshot (freenet-latest.jar), move it into the Freenet directory under the name freenet.jar (replacing the already-existing file by that name), and then restart the node. -- Greg Wooledge | Truth belongs to everybody. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- The Red Hot Chili Peppers http://wooledge.org/~greg/ | msg00830/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
