Re: Version Numbers 52.0 or 52.6.0 in user agent

[David E. Ross]

On 1/24/2018 7:51 PM, Daniel wrote:
> Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>> 2.49.1 is based on ESR 52.4
>> 2.49.2 should (hopefully) arrive in the next 2-3 weeks and will be based 
>> on 52.6
>>
>> Firefox does not show minor version numbers in its UA string.
>>
>> 52.5.3 ESR:
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
>> Firefox/52.0
>>
>> 2.49.2 x 64 local build:
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
>> Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.2
>>
>> As you can see almost identical but as usual google and others will do 
>> incorrect user agent sniffing.
>>
>> FRG
> 
> That's interesting!! Being a long term SM user, it has always intrigued 
> me why the Gecko number has not been updated in yonks (20100101)... but 
> now I see that probably stems from FF, which also doesn't seem to update 
> its Gecko release date!!
> 
> Presumably the Gecko engine *HAS* actually been updated!! ;-P
> 

Not updating the version date for Gecko in the user agent string is part
of Mozilla's plan to obscure user characteristics.  Web servers sniffing
user data supposedly find it harder to track individual users.  See bug
#1329996 at .

I prefer relying on the Secret Agent extension from
.

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Re: Version Numbers 52.0 or 52.6.0 in user agent

[Daniel]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

2.49.1 is based on ESR 52.4
2.49.2 should (hopefully) arrive in the next 2-3 weeks and will be based 
on 52.6


Firefox does not show minor version numbers in its UA string.

52.5.3 ESR:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0


2.49.2 x 64 local build:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.2


As you can see almost identical but as usual google and others will do 
incorrect user agent sniffing.


FRG


That's interesting!! Being a long term SM user, it has always intrigued 
me why the Gecko number has not been updated in yonks (20100101)... but 
now I see that probably stems from FF, which also doesn't seem to update 
its Gecko release date!!


Presumably the Gecko engine *HAS* actually been updated!! ;-P

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Boolmarks privacy/encryption add-on availability

[Rubens via support-seamonkey]

Hello,


Does anybody know any bookmarks privacy/encryption add-on for Seamonkey ?

The two most known ones (Private Bookmarks and Link Passwords) are compatible 
with Firefox only.

Tried to convert them to SeaMonkey using the Seamonkey Extension Converter 
webpage
but the conversion fails saying they don't have an "install.rdf" file in their 
.xpi file packages.


Thanks in advance,


Rubens
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Re: G-Mail Security

[Jonathan N. Little]

Cecil Bankston wrote:
My usual POP access to my G-Mail was blocked this AM, with a message 
referring me to the following explanation:


If an app or device doesn’t meet our security standards, Google will 
block anyone who tries to sign in from that app or device. Because 
these apps and devices are easier to break into, blocking them helps 
keep your account safe.


Some examples of apps that do not support the latest security 
standards include:


    The Mail app on your iPhone or iPad with version 6 or below
    The Mail app on your Windows phone preceding the 8.1 release
    Some Desktop mail clients like Microsoft Outlook and Mozilla 
Thunderbird


What exactly is Google considering insecure about Mozilla-based mail 
clients?


To restore access I had to change a G-Mail setting to allow access by 
insecure apps.





Or you could have switched authentication method to OAuth2. SeaMonkey 
supports it now.


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Re: G-Mail Security

[TCW]

On 1/24/2018 1:10 PM, Cecil Bankston wrote:

TCW wrote:

On 1/24/2018 11:01 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote:
My usual POP access to my G-Mail was blocked this AM, with a message 
referring me to the following explanation:


If an app or device doesn’t meet our security standards, Google will 
block anyone who tries to sign in from that app or device. Because 
these apps and devices are easier to break into, blocking them helps 
keep your account safe.


Some examples of apps that do not support the latest security 
standards include:


    The Mail app on your iPhone or iPad with version 6 or below
    The Mail app on your Windows phone preceding the 8.1 release
    Some Desktop mail clients like Microsoft Outlook and Mozilla 
Thunderbird


What exactly is Google considering insecure about Mozilla-based mail 
clients?


To restore access I had to change a G-Mail setting to allow access by 
insecure apps.





Probably because it's an old version of SM.


I'm using the latest release version, 2.49.1.



Hmm, the other day I got a security notice from Google about "We’ve 
upgraded the Security Checkup to give you specific, personalized 
recommendations to strengthen the security of your Google Account." and 
when I checked it out it had to do with giving/disabling App Permissions 
to some apps. Could it be that? Log into the Web UI of your GMail 
account. Once you're logged in, go to 
https://myaccount.google.com/security-checkup. Onec at the Security 
Checkup page, click on Third Party Access and make sure it's on. If 
that's already on, go to the Settings for your GMail account and click 
the "Forwarding and POP/IMAP" tab and make sure POP Download is not set 
to Disable POP.

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Re: G-Mail Security

[Ray_Net]

Cecil Bankston wrote on 24-01-18 20:10:

TCW wrote:

On 1/24/2018 11:01 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote:
My usual POP access to my G-Mail was blocked this AM, with a message 
referring me to the following explanation:


If an app or device doesn’t meet our security standards, Google 
will block anyone who tries to sign in from that app or device. 
Because these apps and devices are easier to break into, blocking 
them helps keep your account safe.


Some examples of apps that do not support the latest security 
standards include:


    The Mail app on your iPhone or iPad with version 6 or below
    The Mail app on your Windows phone preceding the 8.1 release
    Some Desktop mail clients like Microsoft Outlook and Mozilla 
Thunderbird


What exactly is Google considering insecure about Mozilla-based mail 
clients?


To restore access I had to change a G-Mail setting to allow access 
by insecure apps.





Probably because it's an old version of SM.


I'm using the latest release version, 2.49.1.


Me too, and I did not have the problem.
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Re: Version Numbers 52.0 or 52.6.0 in user agent

[Richmond]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> 
> Firefox does not show minor version numbers in its UA string.
> 
> 52.5.3 ESR:
> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/52.0
> 
> 2.49.2 x 64 local build:
> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.2
> 
> As you can see almost identical but as usual google and others will do
> incorrect user agent sniffing.
> 

I see. Well, in that case I should probably ask in the firefox group why
they don't show the minor numbers. As 52.6 is the one with the Spectre
fixes. So 52.0 is a different version from 52.6. It would be better to
say just 52.

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Re: G-Mail Security

[Cecil Bankston]

TCW wrote:

On 1/24/2018 11:01 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote:
My usual POP access to my G-Mail was blocked this AM, with a message 
referring me to the following explanation:


If an app or device doesn’t meet our security standards, Google will 
block anyone who tries to sign in from that app or device. Because 
these apps and devices are easier to break into, blocking them helps 
keep your account safe.


Some examples of apps that do not support the latest security 
standards include:


    The Mail app on your iPhone or iPad with version 6 or below
    The Mail app on your Windows phone preceding the 8.1 release
    Some Desktop mail clients like Microsoft Outlook and Mozilla 
Thunderbird


What exactly is Google considering insecure about Mozilla-based mail 
clients?


To restore access I had to change a G-Mail setting to allow access by 
insecure apps.





Probably because it's an old version of SM.


I'm using the latest release version, 2.49.1.

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Re: Version Numbers 52.0 or 52.6.0 in user agent

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

2.49.1 is based on ESR 52.4
2.49.2 should (hopefully) arrive in the next 2-3 weeks and will be based on 52.6

Firefox does not show minor version numbers in its UA string.

52.5.3 ESR:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0

2.49.2 x 64 local build:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
SeaMonkey/2.49.2


As you can see almost identical but as usual google and others will do 
incorrect user agent sniffing.


FRG

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/24/2018 5:35 AM, Richmond wrote:

cat comm-esr52/mozilla/browser/config/version.txt
52.6.0

Wouldn't it be a good idea to make this version number appear in the
User Agent string? It is currently showing Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.2
(i.e. in Help -> About).

I am thinking that if a bank examined the string it might claim I have
not put in security patches.



The current end-user release of SeaMonkey is 2.49.1.  It was released 20
October 2017.  I believe SeaMonkey 2.49.1 was based on Firefox 52.0,
which makes
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
accurate.


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Re: G-Mail Security

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

What exactly is Google considering insecure about Mozilla-based mail clients? 


Probably everything which isn't google and bypasses spying/advertizing or 
doesn't use its proprietary sign-in apis :)


FRG



TCW wrote:

What exactly is Google considering insecure about Mozilla-based mail clients?

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Re: G-Mail Security

[TCW]

On 1/24/2018 11:01 AM, Cecil Bankston wrote:
My usual POP access to my G-Mail was blocked this AM, with a message 
referring me to the following explanation:


If an app or device doesn’t meet our security standards, Google will 
block anyone who tries to sign in from that app or device. Because 
these apps and devices are easier to break into, blocking them helps 
keep your account safe.


Some examples of apps that do not support the latest security 
standards include:


    The Mail app on your iPhone or iPad with version 6 or below
    The Mail app on your Windows phone preceding the 8.1 release
    Some Desktop mail clients like Microsoft Outlook and Mozilla 
Thunderbird


What exactly is Google considering insecure about Mozilla-based mail 
clients?


To restore access I had to change a G-Mail setting to allow access by 
insecure apps.





Probably because it's an old version of SM.
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Re: Version Numbers 52.0 or 52.6.0 in user agent

[WaltS48]

On 1/24/18 10:56 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/24/2018 5:35 AM, Richmond wrote:

cat comm-esr52/mozilla/browser/config/version.txt
52.6.0

Wouldn't it be a good idea to make this version number appear in the
User Agent string? It is currently showing Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.2
(i.e. in Help -> About).

I am thinking that if a bank examined the string it might claim I have
not put in security patches.


The current end-user release of SeaMonkey is 2.49.1.  It was released 20
October 2017.  I believe SeaMonkey 2.49.1 was based on Firefox 52.0,
which makes
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
accurate.



I believe Mozilla uses Firefox/52.0 in the UA string for all ESR versions.

Verified by installing ESR 52.6.0, and opening it with a test profile.


   Application Basics

NameFirefox
Version 52.6.0
Build ID20180118122319
Update History  Show Update History
Update Channel  esr
User Agent 	Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0

OS  Linux 4.4.0-112-generic
Profile Directory   Open Directory
Enabled Plugins about:plugins
Build Configuration about:buildconfig
Memory Use  about:memory
Performance about:performance
Registered Service Workers  about:serviceworkers
Multiprocess Windows1/1 (Enabled by default)
Safe Mode   false
Profilesabout:profiles


   Crash Reports for the Last 3 Days

Report ID   Submitted

All Crash Reports

This application has not been configured to display crash reports.


   Extensions

NameVersion Enabled ID
Application Update Service Helper   2.0 trueaushel...@mozilla.org
Multi-process staged rollout1.10truee10sroll...@mozilla.org
Pocket  1.0.5   truefire...@getpocket.com
Web Compat  1.0 truewebcom...@mozilla.org


   Graphics

Features
Compositing Basic
Asynchronous Pan/Zoom   wheel input enabled; touch input enabled
WebGL Renderer  NVIDIA Corporation -- GeForce GT 630/PCIe/SSE2
WebGL2 Renderer NVIDIA Corporation -- GeForce GT 630/PCIe/SSE2
Hardware H264 Decoding  No
Audio Backend   pulse
GPU #1
Active  Yes
Description NVIDIA Corporation -- GeForce GT 630/PCIe/SSE2
Vendor ID   NVIDIA Corporation
Device ID   GeForce GT 630/PCIe/SSE2
Driver Version  4.5.0 NVIDIA 384.111
GPU #2
Diagnostics
AzureCanvasAccelerated  0
AzureCanvasBackend  skia
AzureContentBackend skia
AzureFallbackCanvasBackend  none
CairoUseXRender 0
Decision Log
HW_COMPOSITING  
blocked by default: Acceleration blocked by platform

OPENGL_COMPOSITING  
unavailable by default: Hardware compositing is disabled

Crash Guard Disabled Features
Workarounds
Failure Log


   Important Modified Preferences

NameValue
browser.cache.disk.capacity 1048576
browser.cache.disk.filesystem_reported  1
browser.cache.disk.smart_size.first_run false
browser.cache.frecency_experiment   2
browser.download.importedFromSqlite true
browser.places.smartBookmarksVersion8
browser.startup.homepage_override.buildID   20180118122319
browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone52.6.0
browser.tabs.remote.autostart.2 true
extensions.lastAppVersion   52.6.0
media.gmp.storage.version.observed  1
network.cookie.prefsMigratedtrue
places.history.expiration.transient_current_max_pages   122334
plugin.disable_full_page_plugin_for_types   application/pdf


 user.js Preferences

Your profile folder contains a user.js file, which includes preferences 
that were not created by Firefox.



   Important Locked Preferences

NameValue


   Places Database

Integrity   Verify Integrity


   JavaScript

Incremental GC  true


   Accessibility

Activated   false
Prevent Accessibility   0


   Library Versions


Expected minimum versionVersion in use
NSPR4.13.1  4.13.1
NSS 3.28.6  3.28.6
NSSSMIME3.28.6  3.28.6
NL  3.28.6  3.28.6
NSSUTIL 3.28.6  3.28.6


   Experimental Features

NameID  Description Active  End DateHomepageBranch


   Sandbox

Seccomp-BPF (System Call Filtering) true
Seccomp Thread Synchronization  true
User Namespaces true
Media Plugin Sandboxing true

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G-Mail Security

[Cecil Bankston]

My usual POP access to my G-Mail was blocked this AM, with a message 
referring me to the following explanation:



If an app or device doesn’t meet our security standards, Google will block 
anyone who tries to sign in from that app or device. Because these apps and 
devices are easier to break into, blocking them helps keep your account safe.

Some examples of apps that do not support the latest security standards include:

The Mail app on your iPhone or iPad with version 6 or below
The Mail app on your Windows phone preceding the 8.1 release
Some Desktop mail clients like Microsoft Outlook and Mozilla Thunderbird


What exactly is Google considering insecure about Mozilla-based mail 
clients?


To restore access I had to change a G-Mail setting to allow access by 
insecure apps.



--
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Re: Version Numbers 52.0 or 52.6.0 in user agent

[David E. Ross]

On 1/24/2018 5:35 AM, Richmond wrote:
> cat comm-esr52/mozilla/browser/config/version.txt
> 52.6.0
> 
> Wouldn't it be a good idea to make this version number appear in the
> User Agent string? It is currently showing Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.2
> (i.e. in Help -> About).
> 
> I am thinking that if a bank examined the string it might claim I have
> not put in security patches.
> 

The current end-user release of SeaMonkey is 2.49.1.  It was released 20
October 2017.  I believe SeaMonkey 2.49.1 was based on Firefox 52.0,
which makes
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
accurate.

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