Re: "This connection is untrusted"
On Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 12:26:04 PM UTC-5, Richmond wrote: > MNeeks writes: > > >> What virus scanner are you using? Maybe it installed a certificate > >> for Firefox only and is snooping on the network traffic. > >> > >> FRG > >> > > I have Kaspersky and interestingly enough, just discovered that if I > > pause protection SeaMonkey will load my normal websites with no > > errors. Hmmm. > > It might be worth checking some fingerprints to make sure there is no > snooping. > > https://www.grc.com/fingerprints.htm I don't know what fingerprints are - and am a little afraid to go clicking on things...with all the craziness out there today. Thank you so much tho, the answer by Lem fixed the problem. Wow you guys are awesome for all the help! Neeks ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: "This connection is untrusted"
On Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 1:48:47 PM UTC-5, Lemuel Johnson wrote: > On 1/28/2017 10:57 AM, MNeeks wrote: > > > >> What virus scanner are you using? Maybe it installed a certificate for > >> Firefox > >> only and is snooping on the network traffic. > >> > >> FRG > >> > > I have Kaspersky and interestingly enough, just discovered that if I pause > > protection SeaMonkey will load my normal websites with no errors. Hmmm. > > > When Kaspersky self-updates it doesn't reinstall its security certificate. > > In SeaMonkey Preferences please go to Privacy & Security -> Certificates > -> Manage Certificates. Click the Authorities tab. > There import (this is my Win 7 path, your path may be different): > C:\ProgramData\Kaspersky Lab\AVP17.0.0\Data\Cert\(fake)Kaspersky > Anti-Virus Personal Root Certificate.cer > > Lem Johnson Thank you so much! That took care of the problem so quickly. Thanks again! Neeks ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: BIG IMAGE
Stefan Blumenrath wrote on 28-01-17 21:36: Ray_Net schrieb: The zoom was and is always at 100% I have used 79x79 because I have other "logo" on the same line, so each logo have the same height 79. You can see the result at the end of this page: http://www.randoevasion.be/index.php?lang=fr These pics at the end of the page (i.e. UPMM) are displayed here with 200x200 pixels - My resolution is 3840x2160@15", Seamonkey is set to 100%, windows scales with 250%. Maybe these absolute px aren't the best solution. Stefan I supppose that 79x79 is transformed to 198x198 because your "windows scales with 250%" ... My screen resolution is 1920x1080 What is that "windows scales with 250%" ? Where could we change our "windows scales" ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: BIG IMAGE
Ray_Net schrieb: > The zoom was and is always at 100% I have used 79x79 because I have > other "logo" on the same line, so each logo have the same height 79. > You can see the result at the end of this page: > http://www.randoevasion.be/index.php?lang=fr These pics at the end of the page (i.e. UPMM) are displayed here with 200x200 pixels - My resolution is 3840x2160@15", Seamonkey is set to 100%, windows scales with 250%. Maybe these absolute px aren't the best solution. Stefan ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: "This connection is untrusted"
On 1/28/2017 10:57 AM, MNeeks wrote: What virus scanner are you using? Maybe it installed a certificate for Firefox only and is snooping on the network traffic. FRG I have Kaspersky and interestingly enough, just discovered that if I pause protection SeaMonkey will load my normal websites with no errors. Hmmm. When Kaspersky self-updates it doesn't reinstall its security certificate. In SeaMonkey Preferences please go to Privacy & Security -> Certificates -> Manage Certificates. Click the Authorities tab. There import (this is my Win 7 path, your path may be different): C:\ProgramData\Kaspersky Lab\AVP17.0.0\Data\Cert\(fake)Kaspersky Anti-Virus Personal Root Certificate.cer Lem Johnson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: BIG IMAGE
On 1/28/17, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.comwrote: > Lee wrote: Ray_Net wrote: > I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels > > When I use in html width="79" border="0"/> > > The rendering by SM is superb > > BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this > picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture > 1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB > > > To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79 > pixels x 79 pixels so the end-user download this modified > picture which is 14 KB > > And the rendering of this picture src="logo-small.jpg" height="79" width="79" border="0"/> by SM is > poor. > > Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied > the reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before > showing it in the final page ? > > Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright > idea ? >> >> view / page info >> select media tab >> find your image / save as > > That just saves the file containing the original large image, as linked > from the HTML source, not the 79x79 pixel image as displayed on screen. > The image displayed on screen doesn't exist as a file, only in > SeaMonkey's memory. Right. The OP liked the way SeaMonkey shrunk an image down to 79x79 and didn't like the way Irfanview shrunk it down, so saving the original file doesn't get you anything :( Sorry for the noise Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: "This connection is untrusted"
On 1/28/17, Richmondwrote: > MNeeks writes: > >>> What virus scanner are you using? Maybe it installed a certificate >>> for Firefox only and is snooping on the network traffic. >>> >>> FRG >>> >> I have Kaspersky and interestingly enough, just discovered that if I >> pause protection SeaMonkey will load my normal websites with no >> errors. Hmmm. > > It might be worth checking some fingerprints to make sure there is no > snooping. Is there an easy way to compare the certificate store from FF & SM? > https://www.grc.com/fingerprints.htm "Web browsers trust the identity assertion made by a remote web site when that site presents a certification of its identity that has been signed by a higher authority that the browser already trusts." I used to work at a place that installed their own CA cert in the Firefox certificate store so they could do 'data loss protection' (ie. look at _everything_) Firefox would happily accept the certs they served up but SeaMonkey would complain about everything. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: "This connection is untrusted"
MNeekswrites: >> What virus scanner are you using? Maybe it installed a certificate >> for Firefox only and is snooping on the network traffic. >> >> FRG >> > I have Kaspersky and interestingly enough, just discovered that if I > pause protection SeaMonkey will load my normal websites with no > errors. Hmmm. It might be worth checking some fingerprints to make sure there is no snooping. https://www.grc.com/fingerprints.htm ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: BIG IMAGE
mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 28-01-17 18:10: Ray_Net wrote: mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 28-01-17 15:27: Ray_Net wrote: I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels When I use in html The rendering by SM is superb BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture 1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79 pixels x 79 pixels so the end-user download this modified picture which is 14 KB And the rendering of this picture by SM is poor. I wonder if perhaps the "79x79" image is actually being displayed at more than 79x79 pixels on screen, giving better quality. Do you have the zoom in SeaMonkey set to 100%? Or are you using a high-DPI monitor? I'm not sure if certain CSS styling or other things might also affect the scaling. If, for example, SeaMonkey's zoom was set to 200%, I'd expect that image to be displayed at 158x158 pixels. A large image scaled down to 158x158 pixels for display, is going to look better than a 79x79 pixel image scaled up to 158x158. The zoom was and is always at 100% I have used 79x79 because I have other "logo" on the same line, so each logo have the same height 79. Any other image would also be affected by any scaling, so setting both to 79 would indeed make the sizes match, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're displayed as 79 pixels on screen. You can see the result at the end of this page: http://www.randoevasion.be/index.php?lang=fr For me with SeaMonkey set to 100% those images do indeed render as 79 pixels height on screen, so it's probably not that unless you're using a high-resolution monitor (where the image would need to be rendered large in terms of pixels to appear the same size as on a conventional monitor). I'm guessing it's the "UPMM" logo that you're working on, since that's the one that's significantly large than displayed. Since it's a logo with large blocks of colour, you might get better quality (and possibly also better compression) by using PNG rather than JPEG format. If possible, start with a "clean" version of the logo, which has never been saved as JPEG. Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied the reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before showing it in the final page ? Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright idea ? As others have mentioned, the scaling algorithm used in your image editor can have an impact on the final quality. If you want to capture the image SeaMonkey actually displays, you should be able to press "Print Screen" on the keyboard and paste into an image editor. Or some image editors have a screen-capture function within the application (GIMP does, at File > Create > Screen Shot, I don't know about Irfanview). Then crop the screen capture to just the image you want and save it. You'll also find out that way whether it's really being displayed at 79x79 pixels on screen or something more. I had used this method PrtSc but the result was poor. That is odd. It should capture exactly what SeaMonkey is displaying! Perhaps the problem is with the process of saving the file. Definitely try using PNG rather than JPEG. JPEG is more optimised for compressing photos, where colours are continuously variable and edges are not particularly sharp, and takes advantage of that. It tends to give odd artefacts around sharp edges on logos though. PNG is lossless, so doesn't affect the image, and does a good job of compressing images with large blocks of the same colour (like logos) - but it's not so good for photos. I am happy with the result I got, but next time, I will give a try with the png format. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: BIG IMAGE
Lee wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels When I use in html The rendering by SM is superb BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture 1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79 pixels x 79 pixels so the end-user download this modified picture which is 14 KB And the rendering of this picture by SM is poor. Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied the reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before showing it in the final page ? Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright idea ? view / page info select media tab find your image / save as That just saves the file containing the original large image, as linked from the HTML source, not the 79x79 pixel image as displayed on screen. The image displayed on screen doesn't exist as a file, only in SeaMonkey's memory. -- Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: BIG IMAGE
Ray_Net wrote: mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 28-01-17 15:27: Ray_Net wrote: I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels When I use in html The rendering by SM is superb BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture 1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79 pixels x 79 pixels so the end-user download this modified picture which is 14 KB And the rendering of this picture by SM is poor. I wonder if perhaps the "79x79" image is actually being displayed at more than 79x79 pixels on screen, giving better quality. Do you have the zoom in SeaMonkey set to 100%? Or are you using a high-DPI monitor? I'm not sure if certain CSS styling or other things might also affect the scaling. If, for example, SeaMonkey's zoom was set to 200%, I'd expect that image to be displayed at 158x158 pixels. A large image scaled down to 158x158 pixels for display, is going to look better than a 79x79 pixel image scaled up to 158x158. The zoom was and is always at 100% I have used 79x79 because I have other "logo" on the same line, so each logo have the same height 79. Any other image would also be affected by any scaling, so setting both to 79 would indeed make the sizes match, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're displayed as 79 pixels on screen. You can see the result at the end of this page: http://www.randoevasion.be/index.php?lang=fr For me with SeaMonkey set to 100% those images do indeed render as 79 pixels height on screen, so it's probably not that unless you're using a high-resolution monitor (where the image would need to be rendered large in terms of pixels to appear the same size as on a conventional monitor). I'm guessing it's the "UPMM" logo that you're working on, since that's the one that's significantly large than displayed. Since it's a logo with large blocks of colour, you might get better quality (and possibly also better compression) by using PNG rather than JPEG format. If possible, start with a "clean" version of the logo, which has never been saved as JPEG. Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied the reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before showing it in the final page ? Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright idea ? As others have mentioned, the scaling algorithm used in your image editor can have an impact on the final quality. If you want to capture the image SeaMonkey actually displays, you should be able to press "Print Screen" on the keyboard and paste into an image editor. Or some image editors have a screen-capture function within the application (GIMP does, at File > Create > Screen Shot, I don't know about Irfanview). Then crop the screen capture to just the image you want and save it. You'll also find out that way whether it's really being displayed at 79x79 pixels on screen or something more. I had used this method PrtSc but the result was poor. That is odd. It should capture exactly what SeaMonkey is displaying! Perhaps the problem is with the process of saving the file. Definitely try using PNG rather than JPEG. JPEG is more optimised for compressing photos, where colours are continuously variable and edges are not particularly sharp, and takes advantage of that. It tends to give odd artefacts around sharp edges on logos though. PNG is lossless, so doesn't affect the image, and does a good job of compressing images with large blocks of the same colour (like logos) - but it's not so good for photos. -- Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: "This connection is untrusted"
> What virus scanner are you using? Maybe it installed a certificate for > Firefox > only and is snooping on the network traffic. > > FRG > I have Kaspersky and interestingly enough, just discovered that if I pause protection SeaMonkey will load my normal websites with no errors. Hmmm. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: BIG IMAGE
On 1/28/17, Ray_Netwrote: > mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 28-01-17 15:27: >> Ray_Net wrote: >>> I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels >>> >>> When I use in html >> width="79" border="0"/> >>> >>> The rendering by SM is superb >>> >>> BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this >>> picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture >>> 1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB >>> >>> >>> To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79 pixels x >>> 79 pixels so the end-user download this modified picture which is 14 >>> KB >>> >>> And the rendering of this picture >> src="logo-small.jpg" height="79" width="79" border="0"/> by SM is >>> poor. >> >> I wonder if perhaps the "79x79" image is actually being displayed at >> more than 79x79 pixels on screen, giving better quality. Do you have >> the zoom in SeaMonkey set to 100%? Or are you using a high-DPI >> monitor? I'm not sure if certain CSS styling or other things might >> also affect the scaling. >> >> If, for example, SeaMonkey's zoom was set to 200%, I'd expect that >> image to be displayed at 158x158 pixels. A large image scaled down to >> 158x158 pixels for display, is going to look better than a 79x79 pixel >> image scaled up to 158x158. >> > The zoom was and is always at 100% > I have used 79x79 because I have other "logo" on the same line, so each > logo have the same height 79. > You can see the result at the end of this page: > http://www.randoevasion.be/index.php?lang=fr >>> Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied >>> the reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before >>> showing it in the final page ? >>> >>> Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright idea ? >> >> As others have mentioned, the scaling algorithm used in your image >> editor can have an impact on the final quality. >> >> If you want to capture the image SeaMonkey actually displays, you >> should be able to press "Print Screen" on the keyboard and paste into >> an image editor. Or some image editors have a screen-capture function >> within the application (GIMP does, at File > Create > Screen Shot, I >> don't know about Irfanview). Then crop the screen capture to just the >> image you want and save it. You'll also find out that way whether it's >> really being displayed at 79x79 pixels on screen or something more. >> > I had used this method PrtSc but the result was poor. view / page info select media tab find your image / save as Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: BIG IMAGE
On 1/27/17, Ray_Netwrote: > EE wrote on 27-01-17 21:46: >> Pete wrote: Well, of course. You've reduced the quality by orders of magnitude. >>> >>> I think that what the OP is saying is that SM does a much better job of >>> resizing the image than IrfanView, and he wants to know how (or what >>> software to use) to get a better quality smaller image. >>> >>> Peter >>> >> If it is a jpeg file, save it with 100% instead of using the default. >> You lose less data that way. >> > It was saved with 100% Which doesn't get you any compression. Can you try this: open original image in irfanview R (Image / Resize/Resample) select radio button for Set new size set Width: 79 select radio button for Units: pixels Set check mark for Preserve aspect ratio Clear check mark for Apply sharpen after Resample, Adjust DPI based on new sizes select Size method: radio button Resample (better quality), use Filter select Lanczos (slowest) from drop-down menu Clear check marks for Use fast Resample filter for image shrinking, Try to improve gamma for Resample OK File / Save as Save as type: JPG - JPG/JPEG Format Set check mark for Show options dialog 1st try: clear all check marks on JPEG/GIF save options window except for - Try to save with original JPG quality Save 2nd try: clear check mark for Try to save with original JPG quality set Save quality slider to 75 Save What I got for a 2MB file with an image quality 96: - Save with original quality results in 5KB file - Save with quality: 75 results in 2KB file Regards, Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: BIG IMAGE
mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 28-01-17 15:27: Ray_Net wrote: I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels When I use in html The rendering by SM is superb BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture 1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79 pixels x 79 pixels so the end-user download this modified picture which is 14 KB And the rendering of this picture by SM is poor. I wonder if perhaps the "79x79" image is actually being displayed at more than 79x79 pixels on screen, giving better quality. Do you have the zoom in SeaMonkey set to 100%? Or are you using a high-DPI monitor? I'm not sure if certain CSS styling or other things might also affect the scaling. If, for example, SeaMonkey's zoom was set to 200%, I'd expect that image to be displayed at 158x158 pixels. A large image scaled down to 158x158 pixels for display, is going to look better than a 79x79 pixel image scaled up to 158x158. The zoom was and is always at 100% I have used 79x79 because I have other "logo" on the same line, so each logo have the same height 79. You can see the result at the end of this page: http://www.randoevasion.be/index.php?lang=fr Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied the reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before showing it in the final page ? Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright idea ? As others have mentioned, the scaling algorithm used in your image editor can have an impact on the final quality. If you want to capture the image SeaMonkey actually displays, you should be able to press "Print Screen" on the keyboard and paste into an image editor. Or some image editors have a screen-capture function within the application (GIMP does, at File > Create > Screen Shot, I don't know about Irfanview). Then crop the screen capture to just the image you want and save it. You'll also find out that way whether it's really being displayed at 79x79 pixels on screen or something more. I had used this method PrtSc but the result was poor. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: BIG IMAGE
Ray_Net wrote: I have a big image 1852 pixels x 1852 pixels When I use in html The rendering by SM is superb BUT using this have a side effect that when the end-user have this picture on the web-page ... He downloaded the original picture 1852x1852 which is 2.042 KB To avoid this, I use Irfanview to shrink the picture to a 79 pixels x 79 pixels so the end-user download this modified picture which is 14 KB And the rendering of this picture by SM is poor. I wonder if perhaps the "79x79" image is actually being displayed at more than 79x79 pixels on screen, giving better quality. Do you have the zoom in SeaMonkey set to 100%? Or are you using a high-DPI monitor? I'm not sure if certain CSS styling or other things might also affect the scaling. If, for example, SeaMonkey's zoom was set to 200%, I'd expect that image to be displayed at 158x158 pixels. A large image scaled down to 158x158 pixels for display, is going to look better than a 79x79 pixel image scaled up to 158x158. Is it possible that SM download the logo.jpg picture - then applied the reduction to 79x79 - then save this new file somewhere - before showing it in the final page ? Can I retrieve this picture.file ? Or have you another bright idea ? As others have mentioned, the scaling algorithm used in your image editor can have an impact on the final quality. If you want to capture the image SeaMonkey actually displays, you should be able to press "Print Screen" on the keyboard and paste into an image editor. Or some image editors have a screen-capture function within the application (GIMP does, at File > Create > Screen Shot, I don't know about Irfanview). Then crop the screen capture to just the image you want and save it. You'll also find out that way whether it's really being displayed at 79x79 pixels on screen or something more. -- Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: "This connection is untrusted"
What virus scanner are you using? Maybe it installed a certificate for Firefox only and is snooping on the network traffic. FRG MNeeks wrote: "This Connection is Untrusted" message only comes up in SeaMonkey, not on Firefox. All of a sudden I can't use SeaMonkey anymore to browse and it is my all time favorite browser. The only thing that will load is the home page (yahoo.com)I have set up. I am running the newest SeaMonkey download and my OS is Windows 10 Home on my Lenovo Ideapad. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? Thanks for any help. Neeks ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: THANKS A LOT - Re: BIG IMAGE
On 28/01/2017 00:12, Ray_Net wrote: Lucas Levrel wrote on 27-01-17 22:40: Le 27 janvier 2017, à 19:32, Mason83 a écrit : Would you say "presque mieux" is equivalent to "presque aussi bien/bon" ? No. There is an intended, amusing contradiction in "presque mieux", just as in "almost better". This somehow says "it is better but I dare not say it is". Exactly, you have well understood the background of my thought. Even better!!! Best Regards @lex ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey