Re: Links in emails not sending?

2019-02-16 Thread RicklesP 

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Rick & Sharon wrote:

Rick & Sharon wrote:




Messages arrive as HTML.  In the message preview window of SM, with 
the message displayed, I see a sentence, with 2 words underlined, 
and hovering over that changes the cursor as expected for a 
hyperlink. But clicking does nothing, and I do not see the expected 
URL of the link in the status bar at the bottom of the SM mail 
window.  If I view the message source (Ctrl-U), I can find the 
section which includes the on-screen text.





Here's the beginning of the html area after the mail headers:

"--=_cb8726f93e1fb726332572ff60596c58
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64


--=_cb8726f93e1fb726332572ff60596c58
Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable"

That was followed by a lot of formatting and content, leading to the 
code below.  On-screen was a green rectangle with the words 'Renew 
Now' centered.  That link also didn't work.  In the code below was a 
URL which included a token specifically for me to access my account at 
AVG--I've removed that part of the URL, but the 'Renew Now' is in the 
last section of text quoted.



  
 style=3D"text-align:center;vertical-align:top;">
   style=3D"margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;">
   style=3D"mso-hide:all;wid=

th:auto;">
 cellspacing=3D"0" sty=
le=3D"mso-hide:all;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;" width=3D"180" 
heigh=

t=3D"50">
   
 style=3D"text-alig=
n:center;font-size:16px;line-height:18px;vertical-align:middle;color:#f= 

f;display:block;background-color:#3da32e;border-radius:4px;" 
width=3D"180" =

height=3D"50" class=3D"td-cta-tbl">   
http://www.avg.com/cart?addtocart=3Dgsr.0.0.0.12=3<>
" 
style=3D"text-align:center;font-size:16px;line-height:18px;color:#3da32e;= 

margin:0 
auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust:none;text-decoration:none;display:in=
line-block;padding:0;padding-top:15px;padding-bottom:15px;width:180px;" tar= 

get=3D"_blank">sans-serif"=
  size=3D"3" 
style=3D"font-size:16px;line-height:18px;color:#3da32e;text-dec=
oration:none;">style=3D"font-size:16px;line-height:18px;color:#ff=

;">Renew Now
   
 
   
 
 
   

Does this suggest anything?


In the "href=" part, there are a couple of spaces between the opening 
quote and the start of the URL. A quick experiment sending myself an 
email with:

   http://www.example.com/;>Click Here
has exactly the effect you describe - the text is recognised as a link 
(blue underline and cursor changes to a hand), but the URL is not 
recognised (not shown in the status bar, and clicking has no effect). 
Note that I had to manually craft that email, since inserting a link 
SeaMonkey's HTML mail editor strips the extra spaces from the href!


An HTML document with the same link opened in SeaMonkey's browser works 
fine, and clicking it leads to .


The HTML5 specification [1] says that the value of the href attribute 
must be "a valid URL potentially surrounded by spaces". I haven't found 
a clear statement in specs for earlier HTML versions.


Although the unnecessary presence of those spaces in the href is a bit 
odd, it appears they shouldn't strictly cause any problem so the fact 
they do may be a bug in SeaMonkey mail (which isn't present in the 
browser). The difference in behaviour between mail and browser does seem 
a bit odd, as I thought they used the same rendering engine, so perhaps 
this is intentional for some reason.


Possibly related to bug 680352, in that whatever blocks links without a 
protocol might also block links with the leading spaces (since the link 
doesn't start with a protocol). That may well be intentional as a 
security protection, since a link to "www.example.com" actually 
references a file relative to the email, not "http://www.example.com;!


[1] 
 



Makes perfect sense, syntax is everything in text-based media.  That 
explains the second email, don't suppose you have any insights for the 
first one I described, with [x] references called out in the html code?

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Re: Links in emails not sending?

2019-02-16 Thread RicklesP 

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rick & Sharon wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


In this case, it seems clear that the sender is to blame. They're 
using footnotes and putting the URLs in the notes, not hyperlinking 
them in the body text.


OK Paul, can you decipher the other one I had this with?  Here's the 
beginning of the html area after the mail headers:


...

That was followed by a lot of formatting and content, leading to the 
code below.  On-screen was a green rectangle with the words 'Renew 
Now' centered.  That link also didn't work.  In the code below was a 
URL which included a token specifically for me to access my account at 
AVG--I've removed that part of the URL, but the 'Renew Now' is in the 
last section of text quoted.


...

   
http://www.avg.com/cart?addtocart=3Dgsr.0.0.0.12=3<>
" 
style=3D"text-align:center;font-size:16px;line-height:18px;color:#3da32e;= 

margin:0 
auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust:none;text-decoration:none;display:in=
line-block;padding:0;padding-top:15px;padding-bottom:15px;width:180px;" tar= 

get=3D"_blank">sans-serif"=
  size=3D"3" 
style=3D"font-size:16px;line-height:18px;color:#3da32e;text-dec=
oration:none;">style=3D"font-size:16px;line-height:18px;color:#ff=

;">Renew Now

...

Does this suggest anything?


That much looks like a valid link to me (fair warning: I'm not a web 
designer, I could've overlooked something)...


Are you using an ad blocker that would prevent SM from honoring your 
click and going to the linked page?



No ad blocker in SM.  That's why I'm surprised this is happening at all.
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Re: Links in emails not sending?

2019-02-16 Thread mozilla-lists . mbourne 

Rick & Sharon wrote:

Rick & Sharon wrote:




Messages arrive as HTML.  In the message preview window of SM, with 
the message displayed, I see a sentence, with 2 words underlined, and 
hovering over that changes the cursor as expected for a hyperlink. 
But clicking does nothing, and I do not see the expected URL of the 
link in the status bar at the bottom of the SM mail window.  If I 
view the message source (Ctrl-U), I can find the section which 
includes the on-screen text.




Here's the 
beginning of the html area after the mail headers:


"--=_cb8726f93e1fb726332572ff60596c58
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64


--=_cb8726f93e1fb726332572ff60596c58
Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable"

That was followed by a lot of formatting and content, leading to the 
code below.  On-screen was a green rectangle with the words 'Renew Now' 
centered.  That link also didn't work.  In the code below was a URL 
which included a token specifically for me to access my account at 
AVG--I've removed that part of the URL, but the 'Renew Now' is in the 
last section of text quoted.



  
     
   
   style=3D"mso-hide:all;wid=

th:auto;">
     sty=
le=3D"mso-hide:all;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;" width=3D"180" 
heigh=

t=3D"50">
   
     style=3D"text-alig=
n:center;font-size:16px;line-height:18px;vertical-align:middle;color:#f= 

f;display:block;background-color:#3da32e;border-radius:4px;" 
width=3D"180" =

height=3D"50" class=3D"td-cta-tbl">http://www.avg.com/cart?addtocart=3Dgsr.0.0.0.12=3<>
" 
style=3D"text-align:center;font-size:16px;line-height:18px;color:#3da32e;=
margin:0 
auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust:none;text-decoration:none;display:in=
line-block;padding:0;padding-top:15px;padding-bottom:15px;width:180px;" 
tar=
get=3D"_blank">sans-serif"=
  size=3D"3" 
style=3D"font-size:16px;line-height:18px;color:#3da32e;text-dec=
oration:none;">style=3D"font-size:16px;line-height:18px;color:#ff=

;">Renew Now
   
     
   
     
     
   

Does this suggest anything?


In the "href=" part, there are a couple of spaces between the opening 
quote and the start of the URL. A quick experiment sending myself an 
email with:

  http://www.example.com/;>Click Here
has exactly the effect you describe - the text is recognised as a link 
(blue underline and cursor changes to a hand), but the URL is not 
recognised (not shown in the status bar, and clicking has no effect). 
Note that I had to manually craft that email, since inserting a link 
SeaMonkey's HTML mail editor strips the extra spaces from the href!


An HTML document with the same link opened in SeaMonkey's browser works 
fine, and clicking it leads to .


The HTML5 specification [1] says that the value of the href attribute 
must be "a valid URL potentially surrounded by spaces". I haven't found 
a clear statement in specs for earlier HTML versions.


Although the unnecessary presence of those spaces in the href is a bit 
odd, it appears they shouldn't strictly cause any problem so the fact 
they do may be a bug in SeaMonkey mail (which isn't present in the 
browser). The difference in behaviour between mail and browser does seem 
a bit odd, as I thought they used the same rendering engine, so perhaps 
this is intentional for some reason.


Possibly related to bug 680352, in that whatever blocks links without a 
protocol might also block links with the leading spaces (since the link 
doesn't start with a protocol). That may well be intentional as a 
security protection, since a link to "www.example.com" actually 
references a file relative to the email, not "http://www.example.com;!


[1] 



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Mark.

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Re: Links in emails not sending?

2019-02-16 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Rick & Sharon wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


In this case, it seems clear that the sender is to blame. They're 
using footnotes and putting the URLs in the notes, not hyperlinking 
them in the body text.


OK Paul, can you decipher the other one I had this with?  Here's the 
beginning of the html area after the mail headers:


...

That was followed by a lot of formatting and content, leading to the 
code below.  On-screen was a green rectangle with the words 'Renew Now' 
centered.  That link also didn't work.  In the code below was a URL 
which included a token specifically for me to access my account at 
AVG--I've removed that part of the URL, but the 'Renew Now' is in the 
last section of text quoted.


...

http://www.avg.com/cart?addtocart=3Dgsr.0.0.0.12=3<>
" 
style=3D"text-align:center;font-size:16px;line-height:18px;color:#3da32e;=
margin:0 
auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust:none;text-decoration:none;display:in=
line-block;padding:0;padding-top:15px;padding-bottom:15px;width:180px;" 
tar=
get=3D"_blank">sans-serif"=
  size=3D"3" 
style=3D"font-size:16px;line-height:18px;color:#3da32e;text-dec=
oration:none;">style=3D"font-size:16px;line-height:18px;color:#ff=

;">Renew Now

...

Does this suggest anything?


That much looks like a valid link to me (fair warning: I'm not a web 
designer, I could've overlooked something)...


Are you using an ad blocker that would prevent SM from honoring your 
click and going to the linked page?


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Re: Links in emails not sending?

2019-02-16 Thread Rick & Sharon 

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rick & Sharon wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Are you saying that SeaMonkey is not recognizing and activating URLs 
in plain-text messages, or that your senders are formatting URLs as 
plain text in HTML messages?


For example, if I write http://www.example.com, does it remain plain 
text, or does SM recognize and activate it as a clickable link?


Messages arrive as HTML.  In the message preview window of SM, with 
the message displayed, I see a sentence, with 2 words underlined, and 
hovering over that changes the cursor as expected for a hyperlink.  
But clicking does nothing, and I do not see the expected URL of the 
link in the status bar at the bottom of the SM mail window.  If I view 
the message source (Ctrl-U), I can find the section which includes the 
on-screen text.


In one email, the on-screen text is followed by what appears to be an 
index "[1]" which you don't see on the HTML render.  Other items have 
similar but different indexes next to them, and there is a "Links:" 
section to the doc, with those same links defined.  The first such 
link includes the URL that I should be referred to by the hyperlink.


From the source, here's part of the message just after the routing and 
AV status messages from the header:


...

{Openquote  "Any questions? No need to call. Just take a look at our 
guide [1] where you'll find everything you need to know.


  Plusnet Community [2]

  Plusnet Help [3]

  Facebook [4]

  YouTube [5]

...

Links:
--
[1] 
https://community.plus.net/t5/Email/How-to-change-your-outgoing-server-on-a-mail-client/td-p/1606155?utm_source=customerutm_medium=res-emailutm_content=update_email_settingsutm_campaign=spf_records 


...

Wordy, but it explains what I'm seeing (or not).  Ideas?


In this case, it seems clear that the sender is to blame. They're using 
footnotes and putting the URLs in the notes, not hyperlinking them in 
the body text.


OK Paul, can you decipher the other one I had this with?  Here's the 
beginning of the html area after the mail headers:


"--=_cb8726f93e1fb726332572ff60596c58
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64


--=_cb8726f93e1fb726332572ff60596c58
Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable"

That was followed by a lot of formatting and content, leading to the 
code below.  On-screen was a green rectangle with the words 'Renew Now' 
centered.  That link also didn't work.  In the code below was a URL 
which included a token specifically for me to access my account at 
AVG--I've removed that part of the URL, but the 'Renew Now' is in the 
last section of text quoted.



 

  
  style=3D"mso-hide:all;wid=

th:auto;">
sty=

le=3D"mso-hide:all;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;" width=3D"180" heigh=
t=3D"50">
  
style=3D"text-alig=

n:center;font-size:16px;line-height:18px;vertical-align:middle;color:#f=
f;display:block;background-color:#3da32e;border-radius:4px;" width=3D"180" =
height=3D"50" class=3D"td-cta-tbl">http://www.avg.com/cart?addtocart=3Dgsr.0.0.0.12=3<>
" style=3D"text-align:center;font-size:16px;line-height:18px;color:#3da32e;=
margin:0 auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust:none;text-decoration:none;display:in=
line-block;padding:0;padding-top:15px;padding-bottom:15px;width:180px;" tar=
get=3D"_blank"> size=3D"3" 
style=3D"font-size:16px;line-height:18px;color:#3da32e;text-dec=

oration:none;">Renew Now
  

  


  

Does this suggest anything?
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