Re: Browser: Save and Close

[Ray Davison]

David E. Ross wrote:


For the preference variable browser.sessionstore.max_concurrent_tabs,
the following values apply:

0:  For each WINDOW, only restore the open, selected tab.

a positive number:  Restore that number of tabs concurrently.

any negative number:  Restore all tabs concurrently.

So as set, all tabs should be restored.  The effect I am getting is as 
if sometimes I clicked "Save and Close", and sometimes mistakenly 
clicked "Close".  I could conceive of doing that rarely, but not as 
frequently as it actually happens.


Ray

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Re: Browser: Save and Close

[David E. Ross]

On 1/10/2021 10:42 AM, Ray Davison wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
> 

 If you have multiple tabs open, the number of tabs that can be restored
 concurrently is controlled by the preference variable
browser.sessionstore.max_concurrent_tabs
 which has the default value of 3.
>>> -1

> 
>> For me, saving occurs as controlled by browser.sessionstore.interval
>> while SeaMokey is still active.  I seem not to have a "Save and Close"
>> capability.
>>
> What does the -1 do?
> 
> You get  "Save and close" from Edit > Prefs > tabbed browsing > warn me 
> when closing a window with multiple tabs.
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/wjp9mZg16fW7iw5r8
> 
> Ray

For the preference variable browser.sessionstore.max_concurrent_tabs,
the following values apply:

0:  For each WINDOW, only restore the open, selected tab.

a positive number:  Restore that number of tabs concurrently.

any negative number:  Restore all tabs concurrently.

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Re: Browser: Save and Close

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Ray Davison wrote:
Here is what I get from the X in the upper right corner, which has 
always been the standard way to close any Windows "window".


https://photos.app.goo.gl/wjp9mZg16fW7iw5r8


I've just seen the preference you mentioned in another part of the 
thread (Edit > Preferences > Browser > Tabbed Browsing > Warn me when 
closing a window with multiple tabs).  With that set, I do get a similar 
dialog on closing the last window with multiple tabs.  So it hasn't been 
removed in 2.53, just that I've got that preference set differently.


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Re: Browser: Save and Close

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Ray Davison wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:


Another possibility is that you mentioned in another thread ("32 bit 
vs 64 bit SeaMonkey") that you run multiple SeaMonkey versions using 
the same profile.  This is the kind of strange issue which could 
conceivably be caused by doing that, if the format in which sessions 
are saved changes between versions. 


My point on that thread was, that there was a time when I could do that 
with impunity because things were not changed "quietly" that caused an 
issue.


Apologies, I must have misinterpreted your comments there.  I thought 
you were suggesting that it's still possible and that you do so.  Yes, 
it definitely did used to be much safer to switch back to older versions 
than it is now.


Here is what I get from the X in the upper right corner, which has 
always been the standard way to close any Windows "window".


https://photos.app.goo.gl/wjp9mZg16fW7iw5r8


Ah yes, that is what I vaguely recall seeing in the past.  I might have 
selected "Do not ask next time" at some point, or it might be that 2.53 
now always saves the session so doesn't give the option anyway.  In any 
case, the behaviour to save the session and restore it next time works 
as expected for me on 2.53.5.1.


I'd still say it's worth checking that the preference is set to restore 
the previous session on startup (if you want that to happen 
automatically).  If it still doesn't work, or if even selecting Go > 
Restore Previous Session won't restore the session, try with a clean 
profile.  That'll at least confirm that it *can* work on your version, 
before spending a load of time trying to find something wrong with your 
profile.  If it works in a new profile but not your usual one, the first 
thing I'd try is disabling all extensions and see if it starts working 
then.  Safe mode / Help > Restart with Add-ons Disabled might disable 
session restore anyway (I'm not certain), so that might not be much use 
in this case, but you could perhaps temporarily disable all extensions 
via the add-ons manager to see if that helps.


From your user-agent header it looks like you're still on 2.49.5. 
Upgrading to 2.53 might also help with this, but I know there are issues 
with support for some extensions that people use.  Definitely back up 
your profile before upgrading, and check that any extensions etc. that 
you need still work before doing too much.  If you need to roll back to 
your current version, you'd also need to restore the profile from backup 
- and lose any changes you've made since the backup (e.g. bookmarks 
added, and any emails which aren't still stored on the server unless you 
merge the newer email folders into the restored profile or store them 
separately).


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Re: Browser: Save and Close

[Ray Davison]

David E. Ross wrote:



If you have multiple tabs open, the number of tabs that can be restored
concurrently is controlled by the preference variable
browser.sessionstore.max_concurrent_tabs
which has the default value of 3.

-1





For me, saving occurs as controlled by browser.sessionstore.interval
while SeaMokey is still active.  I seem not to have a "Save and Close"
capability.


What does the -1 do?

You get  "Save and close" from Edit > Prefs > tabbed browsing > warn me 
when closing a window with multiple tabs.


https://photos.app.goo.gl/wjp9mZg16fW7iw5r8

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Re: Browser: Save and Close

[Ray Davison]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:


I posted a few thoughts just over an hour after your original post.  


I did not respond because we did not seem to be on the same subject. 
And I am beginning to see why.




Another possibility is that you mentioned in another thread ("32 bit vs 
64 bit SeaMonkey") that you run multiple SeaMonkey versions using the 
same profile.  This is the kind of strange issue which could conceivably 
be caused by doing that, if the format in which sessions are saved 
changes between versions.  


My point on that thread was, that there was a time when I could do that 
with impunity because things were not changed "quietly" that caused an 
issue.


Here is what I get from the X in the upper right corner, which has 
always been the standard way to close any Windows "window".


https://photos.app.goo.gl/wjp9mZg16fW7iw5r8

I'll play some more.

Ray



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Re: Browser: Save and Close

[mozilla-lists . mbourne]

Ray Davison wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:


Your original post didn't mention that you had multiple tabs open.

As far as I know save only works when there is more than one tab open, 
so I didn't see any reason to mention it.


Apparently no one has anything to offer on the subject?  And it is 
probably not a good feature to depend on anyway.  So for a while I will 
just leave a couple blank pages open and see if I can detect a correlation.


I posted a few thoughts just over an hour after your original post.  I 
don't receive my own emails back via the list, but I can see that post 
in the archive so assumed it had got through.


I don't use that feature much myself, so wasn't entirely certain about 
how it worked, but have tried a few things out and it is pretty much as 
I thought.  I'm using 2.53.5.1, but recall the same behaviour in 2.49 
and earlier versions.


If I exit via File > Close or the "x" in the corner of the window, only 
the last window left open is restored with the session, since that was 
the only window left open when SeaMonkey finally exited.  If I exit via 
File > Quit, all currently open windows are restored with the session. 
Either works even if there is only one tab open in the session at the 
point it's saved.


Preferences can be set to determine whether or not the session is 
automatically restored on started.  Go to Edit > Preferences > Browser. 
Select "Browser Startup" alongside "Display on".  Selecting the "Restore 
Previous Session" option means the previous session is always restored 
on startup.  With other options selected, the session is not 
automatically restored but you can still do it manually via Go > Restore 
Previous Session (which is what I usually do on the occasions when I 
want to get the previous session back).


No matter how I exit, I don't get a prompt asking whether I want to 
"Save and Close".  That might be a difference between versions though, 
as I do have vague recollections of seeing it before.  Or it might be 
provided by some extension you've installed, in which case it would be 
worth trying with that extension disabled as it might be interfering 
with SeaMonkey's built-in ability to do this.


Another possibility is that you mentioned in another thread ("32 bit vs 
64 bit SeaMonkey") that you run multiple SeaMonkey versions using the 
same profile.  This is the kind of strange issue which could conceivably 
be caused by doing that, if the format in which sessions are saved 
changes between versions.  Try with a fresh profile, which has never 
been used with an older version after use with a newer version.


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Re: Browser: Save and Close

[David E. Ross]

On 1/8/2021 6:35 PM, Ray Davison wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
> 
>>
>> Browser sessions are saved according to the preference variable
>>  browser.sessionstore.interval
>> which has the default value of 15000.  The units are milliseconds; thus
>> the default is 15 seconds.
> 
> 1500
>>
>> If you have multiple tabs open, the number of tabs that can be restored
>> concurrently is controlled by the preference variable
>>  browser.sessionstore.max_concurrent_tabs
>> which has the default value of 3.
> -1
>>
>> However, the maximum number of tabs that can be restored is controlled
>> by the preference variable
>>  browser.sessionstore.max_tabs_undo
>> which has the default value of 10.
> 10
>>
>> You might want to examine those three preference variables via
>>  about:config
>> You might be terminating when you opened tabs later than the most recent
>> save.
>>
>> Also look at preference variables
>>  browser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash
> true
>> and
>>  browser.sessionstore.resume_session_once
>> If the first has the value "false" (not the default "true"), restoring
>> after a crash is blocked.  If the second has the value "true" (not the
>> default "false"), the first restore of a session prevents later restores
>> of the same session.
> false
>>
> Everything is default except that -1.
> 
> Does upper right corner "Close" > "Save and close", save anything when 
> clicked, or does it only save what some background process has already 
> saved.
> 
> At the next app run, it saved all or nothing.
> 
> Ray

Windows 7
SeaMonkey 2.49.5

For me, saving occurs as controlled by browser.sessionstore.interval
while SeaMokey is still active.  I seem not to have a "Save and Close"
capability.

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Re: Browser: Save and Close

[Ray Davison]

David E. Ross wrote:



Browser sessions are saved according to the preference variable
browser.sessionstore.interval
which has the default value of 15000.  The units are milliseconds; thus
the default is 15 seconds.


1500


If you have multiple tabs open, the number of tabs that can be restored
concurrently is controlled by the preference variable
browser.sessionstore.max_concurrent_tabs
which has the default value of 3.

-1


However, the maximum number of tabs that can be restored is controlled
by the preference variable
browser.sessionstore.max_tabs_undo
which has the default value of 10.

10


You might want to examine those three preference variables via
about:config
You might be terminating when you opened tabs later than the most recent
save.

Also look at preference variables
browser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash

true

and
browser.sessionstore.resume_session_once
If the first has the value "false" (not the default "true"), restoring
after a crash is blocked.  If the second has the value "true" (not the
default "false"), the first restore of a session prevents later restores
of the same session.

false



Everything is default except that -1.

Does upper right corner "Close" > "Save and close", save anything when 
clicked, or does it only save what some background process has already 
saved.


At the next app run, it saved all or nothing.

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Re: Browser: Save and Close

[Ray Davison]

WaltS48 wrote:


Your original post didn't mention that you had multiple tabs open.

As far as I know save only works when there is more than one tab open, 
so I didn't see any reason to mention it.


Apparently no one has anything to offer on the subject?  And it is 
probably not a good feature to depend on anyway.  So for a while I will 
just leave a couple blank pages open and see if I can detect a correlation.


Ray


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Re: Browser: Save and Close

[David E. Ross]

On 1/7/2021 3:36 PM, Ray Davison wrote:
> WaltS48 wrote:
> 
>>
>> Yes, it is "Save and Close" on Windows when I have multiple tabs open in 
>> the browser window.
> 
> Yes, TY, we know what it is supposed to do.  And we are back to my 
> original plost.  Now why does it only save sometimes?
> 
> Ray

Browser sessions are saved according to the preference variable
browser.sessionstore.interval
which has the default value of 15000.  The units are milliseconds; thus
the default is 15 seconds.

If you have multiple tabs open, the number of tabs that can be restored
concurrently is controlled by the preference variable
browser.sessionstore.max_concurrent_tabs
which has the default value of 3.

However, the maximum number of tabs that can be restored is controlled
by the preference variable
browser.sessionstore.max_tabs_undo
which has the default value of 10.

You might want to examine those three preference variables via
about:config
You might be terminating when you opened tabs later than the most recent
save.

Also look at preference variables
browser.sessionstore.resume_from_crash
and
browser.sessionstore.resume_session_once
If the first has the value "false" (not the default "true"), restoring
after a crash is blocked.  If the second has the value "true" (not the
default "false"), the first restore of a session prevents later restores
of the same session.

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Re: Browser: Save and Close

[WaltS48]

On 1/7/21 6:36 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:



Yes, it is "Save and Close" on Windows when I have multiple tabs open 
in the browser window.


Yes, TY, we know what it is supposed to do.  And we are back to my 
original plost.  Now why does it only save sometimes?


Ray




Your original post didn't mention that you had multiple tabs open.

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Re: Browser: Save and Close

[Ray Davison]

WaltS48 wrote:



Yes, it is "Save and Close" on Windows when I have multiple tabs open in 
the browser window.


Yes, TY, we know what it is supposed to do.  And we are back to my 
original plost.  Now why does it only save sometimes?


Ray


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Re: Browser: Save and Close

[WaltS48]

Ray Davison wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:



I get "Save and Quit" when using File > Quit and have more than one 
tab open.


Is that what you are doing?


No.  Upper right corner: "Close".

Ray



Yes, it is "Save and Close" on Windows when I have multiple tabs open in 
the browser window.

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Re: Browser: Save and Close

[Ray Davison]

WaltS48 wrote:



I get "Save and Quit" when using File > Quit and have more than one tab 
open.


Is that what you are doing?


No.  Upper right corner: "Close".

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Re: Browser: Save and Close

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 06/01/2021 22:39, WaltS48 wrote:

On 1/6/21 2:16 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

Browser: Save and Close

Sometimes it saves and sometimes not.  I have yet to determine a 
pattern/correlation.  Does not seem to be version specific.


Any ideas?


I get "Save and Quit" when using File > Quit and have more than one tab 
open.


Is that what you are doing?



No problem with saving tabs, but I find that if the automatically saved 
tabs are reloaded after a crash (), the checkbox 
that should be offered with each tab in the list of saved tabs is 
missing. You should be able to uncheck a suspect saved tab.


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Re: Browser: Save and Close

[WaltS48]

On 1/6/21 2:16 PM, Ray Davison wrote:

Browser: Save and Close

Sometimes it saves and sometimes not.  I have yet to determine a 
pattern/correlation.  Does not seem to be version specific.


Any ideas?

TY
Ray



I get "Save and Quit" when using File > Quit and have more than one tab 
open.


Is that what you are doing?

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Re: Browser: Save and Close

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Ray Davison wrote:

Browser: Save and Close

Sometimes it saves and sometimes not.  I have yet to determine a 
pattern/correlation.  Does not seem to be version specific.


What are you trying to "save and close"?  I don't see any menu option 
with that title in 2.53.5.1.  If that's an exact menu title in your 
version, maybe it's changed since 2.49.5 (I don't recall), or maybe it's 
added by some extension?


On the "File" menu, there are options to save the current page, close 
tabs or whole windows or quit SeaMonkey.  If you use the "Quit" option 
is closes all open windows, and when you next start the browser you can 
use Go > Restore Previous Session to restore the pages which were open 
when you quit.  You can have it automatically restore the previous 
session on startup by selecting that option at Edit > Preferences > 
Browser.  Is that what you're looking for?


I think if you exit by individually closing each window, the session 
ends with no windows open - so that's what you get when you restore the 
session (or maybe just the last one to be closed).  You need to "Quit" 
instead to have multiple windows restored next time.


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Browser: Save and Close

[Ray Davison]

Browser: Save and Close

Sometimes it saves and sometimes not.  I have yet to determine a 
pattern/correlation.  Does not seem to be version specific.


Any ideas?

TY
Ray
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