Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3
Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: Bill Spikowski wrote: NFN Smith wrote: Bill Spikowski wrote: I'm trying to update my Seamonkey 2.49.5 installations on Win10 and Win7 computers. The installations seem to work fine; but then a couple hours later, I see that SM has regressed to version 2.49.5. This has happened twice each on two different Win10 computers. I've looked at the various warnings about this update but can't find any that would explain this behavior. What might I be missing??? I'm not aware of specific issues, but I know that when I upgraded to 2.53.1, I uninstalled 2.49.5 first (as well as backing up my profiles by copying the contents of %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey to another location). I'm wondering if there's a possibility of you having problems with 32 and 64 bit versions. If your 2.49.5 is 32 bit and you're running a 64 bit installer for 2.53.3, I'm pretty sure the release notes instruct you to uninstall the 32 bit version first. In Windows, 32 bit files are normally put in c:\program files (x86) and 64 bit files are normally put in c:\program files. Technically, it is possible to install multiple versions of Seamonkey side by side (as long as you don't run them simultaneously), and I have done this on a virtual machine. My suspicion is that you may have two versions installed, and where the shortcut you're using for launching Seamonkey points to the installation of 2.49.5. If you want to dig further, two things to look at: 1) Right-click on a Seamonkey icon, look at the Properties and go to the Shortcut tab, and in the Target line, note the name/location of what binary file is being opened. 2) Use the Explorer to check your Program Files and Program Files (x86) folders. Check to see which (or both) have Seamonkey folders. Check the properties (Details tab) of any Seamonkey.exe files to verify version numbers. If you're seeing any indication of Seamonkey installed in multiple locations, I suggest making sure you uninstall all copies of Seamonkey (and Windows will probably also report two versions active), and then install a new copy. Smith Yes -- I think this turned out to be my problem! I had 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Seamonkey installed on both machines; one with both versions of 2.53.3, and one with 2.53.3 and 2.49.5. I uninstalled the 32-bit versions and adjusted the shortcuts to point to the 64-bit versions, and both machines worked properly right away -- didn't even require use of my backed-up profiles. I probably was running both versions at once. I normally keep the mail window open all day, and typically open and close multiple browser windows as I need them. The conflict probably accounted for yesterday's strange behavior of my POP3 email servers as well! As always, I greatly appreciate those in this group who go to the trouble of helping out we the bewildered! Be warned that "running both versions at once" is a very dangerous - ok, suicidal - thing to do with those two versions. When you move from a 2.49.x (or older) version to a 2.53.x version, the profile undergoes some migration reformatting which renders part of it useless for 2.49.x levels. That is the reason for THOSE BIG WARNINGS IN RED IN THE RELEASE NOTES which you should have seen. If you then do a fallback to a 2.49.x level then it will mark some of the files as unuseable and rename them, replacing them with valid files with no content. I'm rather assuming that going forwards again will cause those no-content files to be migrated in turn, you will have lost your original data. The Release Notes are slightly misleading here in that there are imho no problems switching between 2.53.x (or 2.49.x) releases, just when you switch between the two families. Yes -- I saw the clear warnings about NOT going back after updating -- that's why I was so concerned when it seemed to be happening to me, despite my best efforts to avoid it... I seem to have suffered few if any ill effects; maybe because I never tried to "go back." When I was (inadvertently) running 2.49 again, I did notice difficulties with my POP mail server; but once I deleted the 2.49 version and both of my 32-bit versions, those problems disappeared. I keep rigorous daily backups, otherwise I'd be petrified to update important software at all! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3
Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote: Be warned that "running both versions at once" is a very dangerous - ok, suicidal - thing to do with those two versions. When you move from a 2.49.x (or older) version to a 2.53.x version, the profile undergoes some migration reformatting which renders part of it useless for 2.49.x levels. That is the reason for THOSE BIG WARNINGS IN RED IN THE RELEASE NOTES which you should have seen. Something that I neglected to mention when I noted that I have had two versions installed simultaneously is that it's essential that each version have its own profile. This is something that comes from Firefox since about version 54 or 55, in that profiles are not backward-compatible. In Seamonkey, that means that if a profile has been used 2.53.x, then if you try to use the same profile again in 2.49.x, there is significant chance for data loss. Although I may be annoyed that the upgrade-in-place tool has been broken for several releases, I still consider that to be something of a positive thing. If I have to manually download and install a new version, then it's a good reminder to make a backup of a profile before I install. Then, if it turns out that there's a reason to revert to the earlier version, I still have a copy of a profile that's known to work with that version. Smith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3
Bill Spikowski wrote: NFN Smith wrote: Bill Spikowski wrote: I'm trying to update my Seamonkey 2.49.5 installations on Win10 and Win7 computers. The installations seem to work fine; but then a couple hours later, I see that SM has regressed to version 2.49.5. This has happened twice each on two different Win10 computers. I've looked at the various warnings about this update but can't find any that would explain this behavior. What might I be missing??? I'm not aware of specific issues, but I know that when I upgraded to 2.53.1, I uninstalled 2.49.5 first (as well as backing up my profiles by copying the contents of %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey to another location). I'm wondering if there's a possibility of you having problems with 32 and 64 bit versions. If your 2.49.5 is 32 bit and you're running a 64 bit installer for 2.53.3, I'm pretty sure the release notes instruct you to uninstall the 32 bit version first. In Windows, 32 bit files are normally put in c:\program files (x86) and 64 bit files are normally put in c:\program files. Technically, it is possible to install multiple versions of Seamonkey side by side (as long as you don't run them simultaneously), and I have done this on a virtual machine. My suspicion is that you may have two versions installed, and where the shortcut you're using for launching Seamonkey points to the installation of 2.49.5. If you want to dig further, two things to look at: 1) Right-click on a Seamonkey icon, look at the Properties and go to the Shortcut tab, and in the Target line, note the name/location of what binary file is being opened. 2) Use the Explorer to check your Program Files and Program Files (x86) folders. Check to see which (or both) have Seamonkey folders. Check the properties (Details tab) of any Seamonkey.exe files to verify version numbers. If you're seeing any indication of Seamonkey installed in multiple locations, I suggest making sure you uninstall all copies of Seamonkey (and Windows will probably also report two versions active), and then install a new copy. Smith Yes -- I think this turned out to be my problem! I had 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Seamonkey installed on both machines; one with both versions of 2.53.3, and one with 2.53.3 and 2.49.5. I uninstalled the 32-bit versions and adjusted the shortcuts to point to the 64-bit versions, and both machines worked properly right away -- didn't even require use of my backed-up profiles. I probably was running both versions at once. I normally keep the mail window open all day, and typically open and close multiple browser windows as I need them. The conflict probably accounted for yesterday's strange behavior of my POP3 email servers as well! As always, I greatly appreciate those in this group who go to the trouble of helping out we the bewildered! Be warned that "running both versions at once" is a very dangerous - ok, suicidal - thing to do with those two versions. When you move from a 2.49.x (or older) version to a 2.53.x version, the profile undergoes some migration reformatting which renders part of it useless for 2.49.x levels. That is the reason for THOSE BIG WARNINGS IN RED IN THE RELEASE NOTES which you should have seen. If you then do a fallback to a 2.49.x level then it will mark some of the files as unuseable and rename them, replacing them with valid files with no content. I'm rather assuming that going forwards again will cause those no-content files to be migrated in turn, you will have lost your original data. The Release Notes are slightly misleading here in that there are imho no problems switching between 2.53.x (or 2.49.x) releases, just when you switch between the two families. -- spammo ergo sum, viruses courtesy of https://www.nsa.gov/malware/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3
NFN Smith wrote: Bill Spikowski wrote: I'm trying to update my Seamonkey 2.49.5 installations on Win10 and Win7 computers. The installations seem to work fine; but then a couple hours later, I see that SM has regressed to version 2.49.5. This has happened twice each on two different Win10 computers. I've looked at the various warnings about this update but can't find any that would explain this behavior. What might I be missing??? I'm not aware of specific issues, but I know that when I upgraded to 2.53.1, I uninstalled 2.49.5 first (as well as backing up my profiles by copying the contents of %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey to another location). I'm wondering if there's a possibility of you having problems with 32 and 64 bit versions. If your 2.49.5 is 32 bit and you're running a 64 bit installer for 2.53.3, I'm pretty sure the release notes instruct you to uninstall the 32 bit version first. In Windows, 32 bit files are normally put in c:\program files (x86) and 64 bit files are normally put in c:\program files. Technically, it is possible to install multiple versions of Seamonkey side by side (as long as you don't run them simultaneously), and I have done this on a virtual machine. My suspicion is that you may have two versions installed, and where the shortcut you're using for launching Seamonkey points to the installation of 2.49.5. If you want to dig further, two things to look at: 1) Right-click on a Seamonkey icon, look at the Properties and go to the Shortcut tab, and in the Target line, note the name/location of what binary file is being opened. 2) Use the Explorer to check your Program Files and Program Files (x86) folders. Check to see which (or both) have Seamonkey folders. Check the properties (Details tab) of any Seamonkey.exe files to verify version numbers. If you're seeing any indication of Seamonkey installed in multiple locations, I suggest making sure you uninstall all copies of Seamonkey (and Windows will probably also report two versions active), and then install a new copy. Smith Yes -- I think this turned out to be my problem! I had 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Seamonkey installed on both machines; one with both versions of 2.53.3, and one with 2.53.3 and 2.49.5. I uninstalled the 32-bit versions and adjusted the shortcuts to point to the 64-bit versions, and both machines worked properly right away -- didn't even require use of my backed-up profiles. I probably was running both versions at once. I normally keep the mail window open all day, and typically open and close multiple browser windows as I need them. The conflict probably accounted for yesterday's strange behavior of my POP3 email servers as well! As always, I greatly appreciate those in this group who go to the trouble of helping out we the bewildered! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3
Bill Spikowski wrote: I'm trying to update my Seamonkey 2.49.5 installations on Win10 and Win7 computers. The installations seem to work fine; but then a couple hours later, I see that SM has regressed to version 2.49.5. This has happened twice each on two different Win10 computers. I've looked at the various warnings about this update but can't find any that would explain this behavior. What might I be missing??? I'm not aware of specific issues, but I know that when I upgraded to 2.53.1, I uninstalled 2.49.5 first (as well as backing up my profiles by copying the contents of %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Seamonkey to another location). I'm wondering if there's a possibility of you having problems with 32 and 64 bit versions. If your 2.49.5 is 32 bit and you're running a 64 bit installer for 2.53.3, I'm pretty sure the release notes instruct you to uninstall the 32 bit version first. In Windows, 32 bit files are normally put in c:\program files (x86) and 64 bit files are normally put in c:\program files. Technically, it is possible to install multiple versions of Seamonkey side by side (as long as you don't run them simultaneously), and I have done this on a virtual machine. My suspicion is that you may have two versions installed, and where the shortcut you're using for launching Seamonkey points to the installation of 2.49.5. If you want to dig further, two things to look at: 1) Right-click on a Seamonkey icon, look at the Properties and go to the Shortcut tab, and in the Target line, note the name/location of what binary file is being opened. 2) Use the Explorer to check your Program Files and Program Files (x86) folders. Check to see which (or both) have Seamonkey folders. Check the properties (Details tab) of any Seamonkey.exe files to verify version numbers. If you're seeing any indication of Seamonkey installed in multiple locations, I suggest making sure you uninstall all copies of Seamonkey (and Windows will probably also report two versions active), and then install a new copy. Smith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3
Bob Fleischer wrote: Bill Spikowski wrote: I'm trying to update my Seamonkey 2.49.5 installations on Win10 and Win7 computers. The installations seem to work fine; but then a couple hours later, I see that SM has regressed to version 2.49.5. This has happened twice each on two different Win10 computers. I've looked at the various warnings about this update but can't find any that would explain this behavior. What might I be missing??? One thing you have to be on the watch for with Windows 10 is that it will do a non-administrator one-user installation if you don't make sure that the installation is running as administrator. That is a valid installation, but it does not replace the previous for-all installation, so you have two. Bob Well, I didn't know that! If that is what's happening, I'm not seeing any way to choose which version to launch. I've been using SM nearly forever and have always been able to use the same-old desktop quick-launch and shortcut icons to launch the new version. If I could find a way to launch just the new version, I could just start using that method and ignoring the previous methods. I just tried installing 2.53.3 using the "run as administrator" option, which I hadn't done before. But the result seems to be the same, so there may be some other problem as well... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3
Bill Spikowski wrote: I'm trying to update my Seamonkey 2.49.5 installations on Win10 and Win7 computers. The installations seem to work fine; but then a couple hours later, I see that SM has regressed to version 2.49.5. This has happened twice each on two different Win10 computers. I've looked at the various warnings about this update but can't find any that would explain this behavior. What might I be missing??? One thing you have to be on the watch for with Windows 10 is that it will do a non-administrator one-user installation if you don't make sure that the installation is running as administrator. That is a valid installation, but it does not replace the previous for-all installation, so you have two. Bob ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Installing Seamonkey 2.53.3
I'm trying to update my Seamonkey 2.49.5 installations on Win10 and Win7 computers. The installations seem to work fine; but then a couple hours later, I see that SM has regressed to version 2.49.5. This has happened twice each on two different Win10 computers. I've looked at the various warnings about this update but can't find any that would explain this behavior. What might I be missing??? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
