Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
In article l4wdnaswcchovplrnz2dnuvz_hkdn...@mozilla.org, Ed Mullen e...@edmullen.net wrote: John wrote: I am composing a webpage in the composer app (which it had a way to publish files to the FTP server without me using a FTP app) but anyways I did a copy and paste form Word and this is what I got. Version:1.0 StartHTML:000273 EndHTML:024343 StartFragment:003103 EndFragment:024307 SourceURL:file://localhost/Users/jwolf6589/Documents/Microsoft%20User%20D ata/Saved%20Attachments/What%20does%20the%20Bible%20say%20about%20the%20L ord%C2%B9s%20Day.doc Honoring the Sabbath or Lord¹s Day What is that? If you do Edit - Paste Without Formatting in the Normal tab of Composer you'll just get plain text. Word produces non-standard HTML and should /never/ be used to create Web pages. Oops. I should have done that. -- Are there errors in the Bible? How should a church conduct its worship services? Is drinking Alcohol a sin? Is racism wrong? If you want to learn, get answers, and be able to defend the faith, CERM is your place. http://www.cerm.info ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 05:05:11 -0400, in message jwolf6589-ee697d.05051109062...@news.mozilla.org John wrote: I am composing a webpage in the composer app (which it had a way to publish files to the FTP server without me using a FTP app) but anyways I did a copy and paste form Word and this is what I got. Version:1.0 StartHTML:000273 EndHTML:024343 StartFragment:003103 EndFragment:024307 SourceURL:file://localhost/Users/jwolf6589/Documents/Microsoft%20User%20D ata/Saved%20Attachments/What%20does%20the%20Bible%20say%20about%20the%20L ord%C2%B9s%20Day.doc Honoring the Sabbath or Lord¹s Day What is that? It looks like the 'description' section from the Microsoft Windows CF_HTML clipboard format [1], in addition to the HTML you selected. User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.2 (Intel Mac OS X) Were you working on a Mac, copying from Word for Mac and pasting into Seamonkey for Mac ? References [1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms649015%28VS.85%29.aspx -- Regards Ralph ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
In article ed4716l2vsntkuqipqsv6j0b1tqscsa...@4ax.com, Ralph Fox -rf-...@xn--kba.invalid wrote: On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 05:05:11 -0400, in message jwolf6589-ee697d.05051109062...@news.mozilla.org John wrote: I am composing a webpage in the composer app (which it had a way to publish files to the FTP server without me using a FTP app) but anyways I did a copy and paste form Word and this is what I got. Version:1.0 StartHTML:000273 EndHTML:024343 StartFragment:003103 EndFragment:024307 SourceURL:file://localhost/Users/jwolf6589/Documents/Microsoft%20User%20D ata/Saved%20Attachments/What%20does%20the%20Bible%20say%20about%20the%20L ord%C2%B9s%20Day.doc Honoring the Sabbath or Lord¹s Day What is that? It looks like the 'description' section from the Microsoft Windows CF_HTML clipboard format [1], in addition to the HTML you selected. User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.2 (Intel Mac OS X) Were you working on a Mac, copying from Word for Mac and pasting into Seamonkey for Mac ? Yeha I was References [1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms649015%28VS.85%29.aspx -- Are there errors in the Bible? How should a church conduct its worship services? Is drinking Alcohol a sin? Is racism wrong? If you want to learn, get answers, and be able to defend the faith, CERM is your place. http://www.cerm.info ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:07:54 -0400, in message jwolf6589-3629c4.15075412062...@news.mozilla.org John wrote: In article ed4716l2vsntkuqipqsv6j0b1tqscsa...@4ax.com, Ralph Fox -rf-...@xn--kba.invalid wrote: On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 05:05:11 -0400, in message jwolf6589-ee697d.05051109062...@news.mozilla.org John wrote: I am composing a webpage in the composer app (which it had a way to publish files to the FTP server without me using a FTP app) but anyways I did a copy and paste form Word and this is what I got. Version:1.0 StartHTML:000273 EndHTML:024343 StartFragment:003103 EndFragment:024307 SourceURL:file://localhost/Users/jwolf6589/Documents/Microsoft%20User%20D ata/Saved%20Attachments/What%20does%20the%20Bible%20say%20about%20the%20L ord%C2%B9s%20Day.doc Honoring the Sabbath or Lord¹s Day What is that? It looks like the 'description' section from the Microsoft Windows CF_HTML clipboard format [1], in addition to the HTML you selected. User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.2 (Intel Mac OS X) Were you working on a Mac, copying from Word for Mac and pasting into Seamonkey for Mac ? Yeha I was According to this web page http://hsivonen.iki.fi/kesakoodi/clipboard/ MS Office on Mac exports CF_HTML to the clipboard, as well. I could speculate that Seamonkey for Mac was not expecting to see the Microsoft Windows CF_HTML format including its 'description' section. Does the problem occur consistently? References [1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms649015%28VS.85%29.aspx -- Regards Ralph ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Ed Mullen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: John wrote: I am composing a webpage in the composer app (which it had a way to publish files to the FTP server without me using a FTP app) but anyways I did a copy and paste form Word and this is what I got. Version:1.0 StartHTML:000273 EndHTML:024343 StartFragment:003103 EndFragment:024307 SourceURL:file://localhost/Users/jwolf6589/Documents/Microsoft%20User%20D ata/Saved%20Attachments/What%20does%20the%20Bible%20say%20about%20the%20L ord%C2%B9s%20Day.doc Honoring the Sabbath or Lord¹s Day What is that? If you do Edit - Paste Without Formatting in the Normal tab of Composer you'll just get plain text. Word produces non-standard HTML and should /never/ be used to create Web pages. If the page in Word is simple ... Word can be used to save the file if you choose the (page web(.htm) filtered) format. It still produces non-standard HTML and won't validate. Try it yourself: http://validator.w3.org/ But, It's not because a page validates that this page can be seen correctly with all browsers ... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Ed Mullen wrote: Daniel Barclay wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: ... And, by the way, it's not just purists or hobbyists who design to be compliant with the W3C recommended standards: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A//www.ibm.com/us/en/ Unfortunately, IBM doesn't seem to understand how/why to avoid making fixed-width web pages... Daniel How does it not work in some spedified browser? Actually, it's not an issue of browser (software) differences, but of usage differences. The way it doesn't work is that users have to scroll back and forth horizontally to see the content more often than they would have to if the pages didn't set fixed widths and did let the browser exercise its normal feature of adjusting the page's layout to try to fit the user's chosen browser window width. (And when the width of a text column is fixed at some width wider than the user's chosen browser window width, then the user has to scroll back and forth horizontally once for _each_ line of text to read it.) Yes, you won't notice that if you simply use one full-screen browser window on a relatively large screen. However, if instead you want to use your screen space to see two or three windows you can see at the same time (say, a browser window to read some page, and then an editor window to take notes or an e-mail window to comment about the page), you'll notice the problem. Consider that IBM page at http://www.ibm.com/us/en/ (at least how it's formatted right now). The set of tabs and their nested links don't shrink and stretch (horizontally) when you change the width of the browser window. So even though their content (that amount of text) could fit in a fairly narrow window, it doesn't, and so you'd have to scroll horizontally more than you'd otherwise have to. (It seems that IBM set a fixed width somewhere. A similar problem is tying the width of text columns to fixed-width items such as big images. Even if some fixed-size content (e.g., a big image) is too wide to be seen in the user's browser window scrolling, the user shouldn't have to scroll around horizontally to see the content that isn't inherently of a fixed size.) Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel Barclay wrote: ... Unfortunately, IBM doesn't seem to understand how/why to avoid making fixed-width web pages... Daniel That doesn't just apply to IBM. Of course. I was just addressing the example at hand. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Ray_Net wrote: ... But, It's not because a page validates that this page can be seen correctly with all browsers ... True, but it if a page doesn't validate, it's much more likely to display differently--and the page author has no room to complain (about browser differences) because he or she hasn't written in the form you're supposed to give browsers. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Ed Mullen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: John wrote: I am composing a webpage in the composer app (which it had a way to publish files to the FTP server without me using a FTP app) but anyways I did a copy and paste form Word and this is what I got. Version:1.0 StartHTML:000273 EndHTML:024343 StartFragment:003103 EndFragment:024307 SourceURL:file://localhost/Users/jwolf6589/Documents/Microsoft%20User%20D ata/Saved%20Attachments/What%20does%20the%20Bible%20say%20about%20the%20L ord%C2%B9s%20Day.doc Honoring the Sabbath or Lord¹s Day What is that? If you do Edit - Paste Without Formatting in the Normal tab of Composer you'll just get plain text. Word produces non-standard HTML and should /never/ be used to create Web pages. If the page in Word is simple ... Word can be used to save the file if you choose the (page web(.htm) filtered) format. It still produces non-standard HTML and won't validate. Try it yourself: http://validator.w3.org/ yes but http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/TESTPAGE.HTM works correctly with all browsers Just an idea ... How many web pages in percent are W3C compliants without any error or warning in the world ? :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Ray_Net wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: http://validator.w3.org/ yes but http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/TESTPAGE.HTM works correctly with all browsers Well, to be truthful, there is so little there that could go wrong. However, there are still errors in that page. Errors found while checking this document as HTML 4.01 Transitional! Result:2 Errors, 2 warning(s) Just an idea ... How many web pages in percent are W3C compliants without any error or warning in the world ? :-) A doctoral student did his thesis on this very question a few years ago, and reported on it in some of the web authoring groups. He wrote automated software that accessed and tested millions of web pages. The result at that time was that less than 7% were valid. I doubt if it is any better now, and might even be worse based on new stuff I see every day. There are s many 'professional' web developers who apparently have never heard of error-free coding. It looks ok in IE7! -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Ray_Net wrote:
Ed Mullen wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
Ed Mullen wrote:
John wrote:
I am composing a webpage in the composer app (which it had a way to
publish files to the FTP server without me using a FTP app) but
anyways
I did a copy and paste form Word and this is what I got.
Version:1.0 StartHTML:000273 EndHTML:024343
StartFragment:003103 EndFragment:024307
SourceURL:file://localhost/Users/jwolf6589/Documents/Microsoft%20User%20D
ata/Saved%20Attachments/What%20does%20the%20Bible%20say%20about%20the%20L
ord%C2%B9s%20Day.doc
Honoring the Sabbath or Lord¹s Day
What is that?
If you do Edit - Paste Without Formatting in the Normal tab of Composer
you'll just get plain text. Word produces non-standard HTML and should
/never/ be used to create Web pages.
If the page in Word is simple ... Word can be used to save the file if
you choose the (page web(.htm) filtered) format.
It still produces non-standard HTML and won't validate. Try it yourself:
http://validator.w3.org/
yes but http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/TESTPAGE.HTM works
correctly with all browsers
... works correctly ... is almost meaningless to the conversation
which is about creating reliable valid HTML (and CSS).
Yes, that simple (non-compliant) page will display the same in the five
major browsers I just looked at. However, it's not valid or compliant
HTML markup.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A//home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/TESTPAGE.HTM
http://tinyurl.com/28ydmrr
This one only contains compliant HTML, validates and is far simpler coding.
http://edmullen.net/temp/test02.html
Further, it contains no such following nonsense as yours does:
style
!--
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0cm;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Times New Roman;}
@page Section1
{size:612.0pt 792.0pt;
margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;}
div.Section1
{page:Section1;}
--
/style
While that simple example may work correctly, more complicated pages
generated by an MS Office product are un-likely to look the same across
browsers.
Just an idea ... How many web pages in percent are W3C compliants
without any error or warning in the world ? :-)
No idea. So what? If some large percentage of people designing Web
pages are using invalid code why should you?
Virtually all of the several hundred pages on my sites *are*.
My point is not that validation is some holy grail. But it is a
starting point for design. And it's a great tool for quickly catching
inevitable typos and other lapses instead of visually pouring over
source code. If you design to the standard the chances of a Web page
looking essentially the same on the major browsing platforms is greatly
enhanced.
If you rely on WYSIWYG tools you're just asking for trouble.
And, by the way, it's not just purists or hobbyists who design to be
compliant with the W3C recommended standards:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A//www.ibm.com/us/en/
Anyway, this is drifting off-topic from answering the OP's issue. Which
I did. It's not a SeaMonkey issue it's a user issue.
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Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: http://validator.w3.org/ yes but http://home.scarlet.be/~pin10521/TESTPAGE.HTM works correctly with all browsers Well, to be truthful, there is so little there that could go wrong. However, there are still errors in that page. Errors found while checking this document as HTML 4.01 Transitional! Result:2 Errors, 2 warning(s) Just an idea ... How many web pages in percent are W3C compliants without any error or warning in the world ? :-) A doctoral student did his thesis on this very question a few years ago, and reported on it in some of the web authoring groups. He wrote automated software that accessed and tested millions of web pages. The result at that time was that less than 7% were valid. I doubt if it is any better now, and might even be worse based on new stuff I see every day. There are s many 'professional' web developers who apparently have never heard of error-free coding. It looks ok in IE7! LOL. Beauty certainly is in the eye of the beholder. Of course, the goal in page design is to make it pretty to as many as possible. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net I'm too shy to express my sexual needs except over the phone to people I don't know. - Garry Shandling ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Ed Mullen wrote: ... LOL. Beauty certainly is in the eye of the beholder. Of course, the goal in page design is to make it pretty to as many as possible. Actually, the real goal is (or at least should be) to make it _useful_ to as many as possible. Yes, some of the prettiness (graphical design) helps usability. Unfortunately, some other parts of the prettiness (especially the eye-of-the-beholder part) can really screw up usability. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Ed Mullen wrote: ... And, by the way, it's not just purists or hobbyists who design to be compliant with the W3C recommended standards: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A//www.ibm.com/us/en/ Unfortunately, IBM doesn't seem to understand how/why to avoid making fixed-width web pages... Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Daniel Barclay wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: ... LOL. Beauty certainly is in the eye of the beholder. Of course, the goal in page design is to make it pretty to as many as possible. Actually, the real goal is (or at least should be) to make it _useful_ to as many as possible. Yes, some of the prettiness (graphical design) helps usability. Unfortunately, some other parts of the prettiness (especially the eye-of-the-beholder part) can really screw up usability. Well, pretty or useful is agruable in the context of this thread. Useful? Are we splitting hairs here? Look. The discussion is simply this. How do I go about showing the most people the stuff I want to show them in the way I want to show it while ensuring that most viewers see what I want them to see, or damned near close to what I want them to see? Standards. Design to the standards. Testing. Install every possible version of every browser that you can for your OS. The test in it. I have bookmarklets that are great shortcuts (one button click) that let me lauch a page in every of 5 major browsers with a couple clicks Anyway. Just keep learning. And doing. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net Why can't women put on mascara with their mouth closed? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Daniel Barclay wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: ... And, by the way, it's not just purists or hobbyists who design to be compliant with the W3C recommended standards: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A//www.ibm.com/us/en/ Unfortunately, IBM doesn't seem to understand how/why to avoid making fixed-width web pages... Daniel How does it not work in some spedified browser? -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: ... My point is not that validation is some holy grail. But it is a starting point for design. And it's a great tool for quickly catching inevitable typos and other lapses instead of visually pouring over source code. ... You mean like pouring over instead of poring over? I saw that one in my local paper the other day, too. ;-) Dear God! I am sorry for choosing an incorrect spelling. So much for thinking I was thinking! ;-) -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Ed Mullen wrote: Daniel Barclay wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: ... And, by the way, it's not just purists or hobbyists who design to be compliant with the W3C recommended standards: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A//www.ibm.com/us/en/ Unfortunately, IBM doesn't seem to understand how/why to avoid making fixed-width web pages... Daniel How does it not work in some spedified browser? Sigh, ok, specified ... Geez. Although, spedified I kinda like that ... has possibilities! Sorry, I tried, I still can't figure out anything cute by that name. Although, it seems as though it should go by fast. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net I'd rather be in Biscuit City with my banjo in my hands ... - Gordon Lightfoot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Daniel Barclay wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: ... And, by the way, it's not just purists or hobbyists who design to be compliant with the W3C recommended standards: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A//www.ibm.com/us/en/ Unfortunately, IBM doesn't seem to understand how/why to avoid making fixed-width web pages... Daniel That doesn't just apply to IBM. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Ed Mullen wrote: Daniel Barclay wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: ... LOL. Beauty certainly is in the eye of the beholder. Of course, the goal in page design is to make it pretty to as many as possible. Actually, the real goal is (or at least should be) to make it _useful_ to as many as possible. Yes, some of the prettiness (graphical design) helps usability. Unfortunately, some other parts of the prettiness (especially the eye-of-the-beholder part) can really screw up usability. Well, pretty or useful is agruable in the context of this thread. Useful? Are we splitting hairs here? Look. The discussion is simply this. How do I go about showing the most people the stuff I want to show them in the way I want to show it while ensuring that most viewers see what I want them to see, or damned near close to what I want them to see? Standards. Design to the standards. Testing. Install every possible version of every browser that you can for your OS. The test in it. I have bookmarklets that are great shortcuts (one button click) that let me lauch a page in every of 5 major browsers with a couple clicks Anyway. Just keep learning. And doing. In my website. I check in: SeaMonkey, Camino, FireFox, Safari, OmniWeb,Opera, and iCab. and the they all look identical in all seven. Being on a Mac I can't test in IE Because there hasn't been a version since 5.2.3. I figure 7-out of the 8 Major Browsers should be sufficient. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
John wrote: I am composing a webpage in the composer app (which it had a way to publish files to the FTP server without me using a FTP app) but anyways I did a copy and paste form Word and this is what I got. Version:1.0 StartHTML:000273 EndHTML:024343 StartFragment:003103 EndFragment:024307 SourceURL:file://localhost/Users/jwolf6589/Documents/Microsoft%20User%20D ata/Saved%20Attachments/What%20does%20the%20Bible%20say%20about%20the%20L ord%C2%B9s%20Day.doc Honoring the Sabbath or Lord¹s Day What is that? If you do Edit - Paste Without Formatting in the Normal tab of Composer you'll just get plain text. Word produces non-standard HTML and should /never/ be used to create Web pages. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: strange code inserted in Sea Monkey
Ed Mullen wrote: John wrote: I am composing a webpage in the composer app (which it had a way to publish files to the FTP server without me using a FTP app) but anyways I did a copy and paste form Word and this is what I got. Version:1.0 StartHTML:000273 EndHTML:024343 StartFragment:003103 EndFragment:024307 SourceURL:file://localhost/Users/jwolf6589/Documents/Microsoft%20User%20D ata/Saved%20Attachments/What%20does%20the%20Bible%20say%20about%20the%20L ord%C2%B9s%20Day.doc Honoring the Sabbath or Lord¹s Day What is that? If you do Edit - Paste Without Formatting in the Normal tab of Composer you'll just get plain text. Word produces non-standard HTML and should /never/ be used to create Web pages. If the page in Word is simple ... Word can be used to save the file if you choose the (page web(.htm) filtered) format. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
