Re: [freenet-support] New model fit-pc2 out
On Sunday 05 July 2009 10:21:08 user1 wrote: On Saturday 04 July 2009 07:26:23 pm you wrote: On Saturday 04 July 2009 14:42:13 user1 wrote: There is no such thing as an unknown friend. If you just want Freenet to work, use opennet. Friends are connections to nodes run by people *you personally know*. Adding nodes randomly not only does not significantly improve security over opennet, but it also sabotages the network topology, as we discovered before we implemented opennet. I do not only want Freenet to work, it already is working, but I do not really feel as safe as the Freenet project should make you if you were connected via friends *smile* Not easily possible afaics. Here are some follow questions: How safe is it to use Freenet using opennet, how anonymous are you really? Safer than if you are using bittorrent/a web browser. Beyond that, well it depends on your opponent and how much he already knows, and your usage patterns, and so on... How safe are you, using opennet, lets say in percent? (provokative) :-) Percent isn't a measure we can easily compute. A theoretical measure is an anonymity set, but again it depends on the strength of the attacker and so on. Is Freenet only suitable for groups of people knowing each others personally in real life, to use Freenet using friends, like p£olitical groups etc. ? There are some cases/assumptions in which Freenet is fairly secure. There are other scenarios in which it is much less so. Sorry I can't give you the confidence you'd like. :| Darknet helps in several important ways: - It is much harder to identify your node, if your opponent is simply trying to find and block/raid/etc Freenet nodes regardless of content. - Local attacks are much less likely as the only people who can attack you are the people you've added manually; on opennet, it is possible for an attacker to get connected to you. - Any attack involving the attacker moving across the network and slowly homing in on an identity is much harder because the attacker has to compromise or seize nodes or engage in social engineering at each hop. Are individual people let out using Freenet, if they want to be as invisible as such a polit¾ical group, and are you really safe against being caught by it experts, who really want to catch you, if you really want to be invisible? - that is if you do not have friends in real life, which probably most people do not have. How many facebook friends do you have? Social networks *can* work once there is sufficient density. Right now Freenet is quite small, quite slow, and has relatively little content, and most people don't know anyone using it. That will change as it improves. Okay, do you realise, that we are communicating directly to you/me, not using the mailing list ? that was not my intention *smile* If we, let's say is a h£ells a£ngels group of some 20 persons all only connected to each others, does that mean, that we only are using the 20 nodes all the time, not meeting any other nodes, if we are only using darknet? A kind of closed freenet network? Sure, closed darknets are feasible. But open darknets are much more interesting. One of the HA group is also a member of a different darknet group, so the darknet grows; more generally, your friends and your friends' friends are generally not the same, so it is possible to have a large network in relatively few hops, this is the small world effect. One key requirement is that there be many short links and a few long links, but what short and long mean in the real world is unclear; in routing terms, large differences in location, in real-world terms, probably a long link corresponds to a friend in a different geographical location, or a different occupation, or mostly different social circles, etc. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] New model fit-pc2 out
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 02:23:42 user1 wrote: Sorry, I am working on a very enduser level. I am still waiting for a system to come up. so I can work on a friends level (means invincible) - meaning to exchange nodes with friends anonymously in a proper way, probably ver 0,8. What do you mean by that? Do you have any suggestions for how to improve getting connections to your real-world or online friends? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] New model fit-pc2 out
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 16:42:58 user1 wrote: On Tuesday 23 June 2009 03:23:42 am user1 wrote: On Tuesday 23 June 2009 12:54:02 am Juiceman wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:05 AM, user1bq...@telia.com wrote: I have been testing a fit-pc older model as a mini freenet server with success. Just quite slow for administration. I have noticed that a newer model is out (7 w power consumption): Here are the specifications: http://fit-pc2.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Please note that you plug the harddisk into a miniSD socket, and thus it is easy to switch harddisks - any 2.5 sata harddisk will do - one for possibly private -or one for non private stuff. Here is a minitest: http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/desktops/18899-fit-pc2-ubuntu-deskto p- in-a- tiny-box ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe Cool! What kind of performance do you get out of it? I had power failure to day 23 june 2009, and my fit-pc mini freenet server was shut down. Half an hour later it was up again by itself running without me touching it. Here is some statistic from when it again was up running: Ubuntu 8.04 - 256 mb ram - Freenet ver. 0.7.5 - store size 20 GB Java ver. 1.6.0_07 JVM ver. 10.0-b23 Used Java memory 27.4 MiB Allocated Java memory 59.6 MiB Max Java memory 254 MiB Running threads 94/500 Connected 19 Busy 1 Input rate 25.5 KiB/s (of 200 KiB/s) Output rate 26.8 KiB/s (of 50.0 KiB/s) Total input 21.9 MiB (9.25 KiB/s average) Total output 32.9 MiB (13.9 KiB/s average) Payload output 21.8 MiB (9.23 KiB/sec) (66 %) # 1222 build 01222 # 26r23771 So for the last some couple of months my mini freenet server has updated everything automatic by itself without any interference from me, and kept running and running Yes but the Total Output is a little disappointing. Are you getting heavy CPU usage? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] New model fit-pc2 out
Ubuntu 8.04 - 256 mb ram - Freenet ver. 0.7.5 - store size 20 GB 256 mb ram for the whole system? Yes (http://www.fit-pc.com/new/fit-pc-1-0-specifications.html) With builds of the past month or two, ram usage is way down. If your entire system only has 256 mb of ram, you could reduce Freenet's max ram to a lower number, perhaps 192 or 160. I don't usually see mine climb over 128 mb here unless I am doing some heavy usage. Excellent news =) ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] New model fit-pc2 out
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 03:23:42 am user1 wrote: On Tuesday 23 June 2009 12:54:02 am Juiceman wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:05 AM, user1bq...@telia.com wrote: I have been testing a fit-pc older model as a mini freenet server with success. Just quite slow for administration. I have noticed that a newer model is out (7 w power consumption): Here are the specifications: http://fit-pc2.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Please note that you plug the harddisk into a miniSD socket, and thus it is easy to switch harddisks - any 2.5 sata harddisk will do - one for possibly private -or one for non private stuff. Here is a minitest: http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/desktops/18899-fit-pc2-ubuntu-deskto p- in-a- tiny-box ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe Cool! What kind of performance do you get out of it? I had power failure to day 23 june 2009, and my fit-pc mini freenet server was shut down. Half an hour later it was up again by itself running without me touching it. Here is some statistic from when it again was up running: Ubuntu 8.04 - 256 mb ram - Freenet ver. 0.7.5 - store size 20 GB Java ver. 1.6.0_07 JVM ver. 10.0-b23 Used Java memory 27.4 MiB Allocated Java memory 59.6 MiB Max Java memory 254 MiB Running threads 94/500 Connected 19 Busy 1 Input rate 25.5 KiB/s (of 200 KiB/s) Output rate 26.8 KiB/s (of 50.0 KiB/s) Total input 21.9 MiB (9.25 KiB/s average) Total output 32.9 MiB (13.9 KiB/s average) Payload output 21.8 MiB (9.23 KiB/sec) (66 %) # 1222 build 01222 # 26r23771 So for the last some couple of months my mini freenet server has updated everything automatic by itself without any interference from me, and kept running and running ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] New model fit-pc2 out
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:42 AM, user1bq...@telia.com wrote: On Tuesday 23 June 2009 03:23:42 am user1 wrote: On Tuesday 23 June 2009 12:54:02 am Juiceman wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:05 AM, user1bq...@telia.com wrote: I have been testing a fit-pc older model as a mini freenet server with success. Just quite slow for administration. I have noticed that a newer model is out (7 w power consumption): Here are the specifications: http://fit-pc2.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Please note that you plug the harddisk into a miniSD socket, and thus it is easy to switch harddisks - any 2.5 sata harddisk will do - one for possibly private -or one for non private stuff. Here is a minitest: http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/desktops/18899-fit-pc2-ubuntu-deskto p- in-a- tiny-box ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe Cool! What kind of performance do you get out of it? I had power failure to day 23 june 2009, and my fit-pc mini freenet server was shut down. Half an hour later it was up again by itself running without me touching it. Here is some statistic from when it again was up running: Ubuntu 8.04 - 256 mb ram - Freenet ver. 0.7.5 - store size 20 GB 256 mb ram for the whole system? Java ver. 1.6.0_07 JVM ver. 10.0-b23 Used Java memory 27.4 MiB Allocated Java memory 59.6 MiB Max Java memory 254 MiB With builds of the past month or two, ram usage is way down. If your entire system only has 256 mb of ram, you could reduce Freenet's max ram to a lower number, perhaps 192 or 160. I don't usually see mine climb over 128 mb here unless I am doing some heavy usage. Running threads 94/500 Connected 19 Busy 1 Input rate 25.5 KiB/s (of 200 KiB/s) Output rate 26.8 KiB/s (of 50.0 KiB/s) Total input 21.9 MiB (9.25 KiB/s average) Total output 32.9 MiB (13.9 KiB/s average) Payload output 21.8 MiB (9.23 KiB/sec) (66 %) # 1222 build 01222 # 26r23771 So for the last some couple of months my mini freenet server has updated everything automatic by itself without any interference from me, and kept running and running Excellent news =) ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] New model fit-pc2 out
I have been testing a fit-pc older model as a mini freenet server with success. Just quite slow for administration. I have noticed that a newer model is out (7 w power consumption): Here are the specifications: http://fit-pc2.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Please note that you plug the harddisk into a miniSD socket, and thus it is easy to switch harddisks - any 2.5 sata harddisk will do - one for possibly private -or one for non private stuff. Here is a minitest: http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/desktops/18899-fit-pc2-ubuntu-desktop-in-a- tiny-box ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] New model fit-pc2 out
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:05 AM, user1bq...@telia.com wrote: I have been testing a fit-pc older model as a mini freenet server with success. Just quite slow for administration. I have noticed that a newer model is out (7 w power consumption): Here are the specifications: http://fit-pc2.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Please note that you plug the harddisk into a miniSD socket, and thus it is easy to switch harddisks - any 2.5 sata harddisk will do - one for possibly private -or one for non private stuff. Here is a minitest: http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/desktops/18899-fit-pc2-ubuntu-desktop-in-a- tiny-box ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe Cool! What kind of performance do you get out of it? -- I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. - Voltaire Those who would give up Liberty, to purchase temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Ben Franklin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] New model fit-pc2 out
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 12:54:02 am Juiceman wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:05 AM, user1bq...@telia.com wrote: I have been testing a fit-pc older model as a mini freenet server with success. Just quite slow for administration. I have noticed that a newer model is out (7 w power consumption): Here are the specifications: http://fit-pc2.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Please note that you plug the harddisk into a miniSD socket, and thus it is easy to switch harddisks - any 2.5 sata harddisk will do - one for possibly private -or one for non private stuff. Here is a minitest: http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/desktops/18899-fit-pc2-ubuntu-desktop- in-a- tiny-box ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe Cool! What kind of performance do you get out of it? I dont know how to measure that, it has been working constantly for some months - just now 15 connections and 4 busy strangers is up - can se a completely new interface, nice. I just check that the broadband connection is blinking all the time. Sorry, I am working on a very enduser level. I am still waiting for a system to come up. so I can work on a friends level (means invincible) - meaning to exchange nodes with friends anonymously in a proper way, probably ver 0,8. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
