Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
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Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2017-01-10, Bo-Erik Sandholm wrote: For UHJ I have experienced about +20 degrees outside of the speakers. I've only heard well-decoded UHJ or the "super-stereo" effect once (thanks to Eero Aro). But even then I can confirm that even the undecoded stereo goes well beyond the speaker

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Sampo Syreeni wrote: On 2017-01-09, Stefan Schreiber wrote: - Backward-compatible (to stereo) forms of Ambisonics are very probably possible. They are not "probably possible". That's what the BHJ version of UHJ *is*. Yes. But you still have to put L/R + 1 or 2 ext. channels into some <

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2017-01-09, Stefan Schreiber wrote: - Backward-compatible (to stereo) forms of Ambisonics are very probably possible. They are not "probably possible". That's what the BHJ version of UHJ *is*. Yes. But you still have to put L/R + 1 or 2 ext. channels into some < stereo MP3 or AAC

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Augustine Leudar wrote: Not really simply because binaural is meant for headphones - transaural is meant to be the binaural equivalent for loudspeakers. If you think about it - our ears have their own transfer function - the filter would have to be tailored to our own HRTFs to remove our HRTF

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2017-01-09, Alan Varty wrote: It was repeated several times over a period of about 12 months or so and advertised as being either QUAD or MATRIX-H and eventually HJ in Radio Times. Tell me/us, is any of this H-stuff available anywhere? Has anybody tried decoding it via the usual UHJ

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2017-01-09, Augustine Leudar wrote: Hi Stefan - yes I have a set of soundman ones which Ive use don and off for the last ten years - I have really weird shaped ears though so my recordings dont work well on people with normal shaped heads ;) BTW, I have to second that. I have pretty

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Sampo Syreeni wrote: On 2017-01-09, Stefan Schreiber wrote: The critique I'd have for such panning laws is that they don't really respect the ambisonic/Gerzon theory, especially at the low frequencies. Stereophonic panning laws are based on Blumlein's stereo theory, which in Wittek's

Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

2017-01-09 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2017-01-09, Augustine Leudar wrote: and of course I mean amplitude panning rather than vbap in that instance - but I have had reasonable results doing the same for full 3D installations as well, at least as resoble as can be expected representing a 3D audio scene in stereo (which is never

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
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Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

2017-01-09 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2017-01-09, Politis Archontis wrote: I am a bit baffled by the idea that VBAP is not compatible with Ambisonics theory (?) I actually didn't mean to say quite as much. :) Thinking in terms of velocity and energy vectors, as far as I understand, VBAP with the (classic) amplitude panning

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2017-01-09, Stefan Schreiber wrote: The critique I'd have for such panning laws is that they don't really respect the ambisonic/Gerzon theory, especially at the low frequencies. Stereophonic panning laws are based on Blumlein's stereo theory, which in Wittek's opinion is pretty close to

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Groups
I doubt it. That links to a 1966 video by Jonathan Miller which will only have mono sound! Bill Taylor On 09/01/2017 21:21, Augustine Leudar wrote: - will this have the quad audio ? It makes me wonder if Delia Derbyshire or any of the Radiophonic workshop did any quad stuff - now that I

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Paul Hodges
--On 09 January 2017 19:45 + Augustine Leudar wrote: > Is it perhaps available here ? Paul -- Paul Hodges ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Augustine Leudar wrote: Hi Stefan - yes I have a set of soundman ones which Ive use don and off for the last ten years - I have really weird shaped ears though so my recordings dont work well on people with normal shaped heads ;) Do they use some form of filter to get the spectral balance

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Alan Varty
Hello there Andrew, Yes, that sounds about right. It was repeated several times over a period of about 12 months or so and advertised as being either QUAD or MATRIX-H and eventually HJ in Radio Times. I also believe some of the BBC TV "Sight and Sound In Concert" televised rock concerts may

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Augustine Leudar
gt; >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Ambiophonics could also be used - as some already established form of >>>>> X-talk cancellation. >>>>> >>>>> Stefan I am curious what are the advantages you see of >>>&g

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Augustine Leudar
//mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- Augustine Leudar Artistic Director Magik Door LTD Company Number : NI635217 Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, Belfast BT88LL -- next part

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 06:27:15AM +0200, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > Basically VBAP (vector base amplitude panning) is a form of equal > power weighted amplitude panning. Just as your normal stereo panning > law would be, only it's in 3D, over widely varying speaker geometry. VBAP is the 3D form of

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Augustine Leudar wrote: Yes i just mean - when making a 3D sound installation you can use various types of panning round a sphere (or whatever of speaker array). You seemed to be saying ambisonics had a clear advantage over other types of panning for 3D audio - I was just wondering what you saw

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread g...@btinternet.com
Most likely this broadcast Alan; I wonder if Transcription Services still have the tape!? Note the reference to the 'Quadraphon' :-) >From the Radio Times archives - *** The Monday Play: Alice's Adventures in Wonderland By LEWIS CARROLL BBC

Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

2017-01-09 Thread Augustine Leudar
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Re: [Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

2017-01-09 Thread Augustine Leudar
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[Sursound] VBAP and Ambisonics [was: The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973]

2017-01-09 Thread Politis Archontis
Hi Sampo, > On 09 Jan 2017, at 06:27, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > > The critique I'd have for such panning laws is that they don't really respect > the ambisonic/Gerzon theory, especially at the low frequencies. In essence, > they work, and necessarily would *have* to work in the

Re: [Sursound] The BBC & Quadrophony in 1973

2017-01-09 Thread Augustine Leudar
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