Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 07/26/2011 02:18 AM, Marc Lavallée wrote: Imagine two rooms with proper acoustic characteristics and treatments for ambisonics reproduction: the first is 3mX4m and the other is four times larger in surface (9mX12m). In both rooms there's a horizontal hexagon of speakers, and 5 speakers are

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
sorry, itchy trigger finger... On 07/26/2011 10:14 AM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: as mentioned before, the floor reflection is a very strong distance cue at close range under semi-anechoic conditions (i.e. if you want to gauge the distance of that sabre-toothed tiger or the potential mating

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Marc Lavallée
Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:14:50 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier netti...@stackingdwarves.net wrote : regardless of room size, they will require a bit of equalisation. if the speakers are designed to be close to a boundary surface, the one that's not against a wall needs (gentle) bass boost. vice versa, if

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Aaron Heller
Some papers that may be of interest: Takahashi, A Novel View of Hearing in Reverberation, Neuron, Volume 62, Issue 1, 6-7, 16 April 2009 doi:10.1016/j.neuron.2009.04.004 Devore, et al., Accurate Sound Localization in Reverberant Environments Is Mediated by Robust Encoding of Spatial Cues in the

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 04:35:39PM -0400, Marc Lavallée wrote: I will do it in software. It's a domestic setup, so I don't need expensive active speakers and cabling; I prefer to use very small speakers with lamp cords. Lamp cords ? Use at least 2.5 mm^2 ! the problem is that your

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2011-07-26, Fons Adriaensen wrote: Lamp cords ? Use at least 2.5 mm^2 ! Where does this come from? I've never though cable geometry matters much at all, unless your pumping so much power through a cable over such a long distance that you have to worry about ohmic heating and the like.

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 07/27/2011 12:41 AM, Sampo Syreeni wrote: On 2011-07-26, Fons Adriaensen wrote: I certainly don't want you to waste your money on fancy speaker cables. Never thought otherwise. That's obviously never been what we do here. ;) But resistance does matter, so a good cross section such as

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Marc Lavallée
Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:32:26 +, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote : Lamp cords ? Use at least 2.5 mm^2 ! I'll use less than 10 meters of cabling to drive 10W max in each tiny 6 ohms speaker. So I'm not worried at all. Gauge 14 or 16 should be fine:

Re: [Sursound] speaker cable resistance [was Distance perception]

2011-07-26 Thread Neil Marcia Adams
Am I right in thinking that the resistive component of the speaker's impedance is effectively in series with its inductance? Say, 5 ohms for an 8 ohm speaker? If so cable resistance is not so frightening for domestic runs. It's not so difficult to provide negative output impedance to counter

Re: [Sursound] speaker cable resistance [was Distance perception]

2011-07-26 Thread Robert Greene
If you do not do something tricky with the amplifier-- and no commercial consumer audio amplifier intended for universal use does this trickiness, or none I am aware of-- then the cable impedance operates as part of the amplifier output impedance. This means that the amplifier will not be flat

Re: [Sursound] Distance perception

2011-07-26 Thread Bill de Garis
On 26/07/11 3:41 p.m., Sampo Syreeni wrote: On 2011-07-26, Fons Adriaensen wrote: I certainly don't want you to waste your money on fancy speaker cables. Never thought otherwise. That's obviously never been what we do here. ;) But resistance does matter, so a good cross section such as 2.5