Re: [Sursound] Array for sound field recording and extend the sound image

2013-01-09 Thread Dave Malham
Hi Tim, Indeed, SNR is poor at low frequencies for this sort of technique as it relies on the phase difference between the two capsules as produced by their separation. The separation can't be too large as once it gets over half a wavelength the phase starts wrapping around but this means that at

Re: [Sursound] Array for sound field recording and extend the sound image

2013-01-09 Thread Peter Lennox
HI, the front-back reversals problem isn't peculiar to ambisonics - it can sometimes happen in real life (most often, though not always, in a symmetrical space) and is well known in the laboratory. It's really a subset of the 'cones of confusion' problem, which Batteau proposed that Pinnae

Re: [Sursound] Array for sound field recording and extend the sound image

2013-01-09 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
An open paper on directional mics http://www.iwaenc.org/proceedings/2001/main/data/buck.pdf I had a idea that I could use 2 close mounted mics (o) for Upper frequency ranges and a longer distance between 2 additional elements (x) to have better signal to noise ratio for the lower frequency

Re: [Sursound] Array for sound field recording and extend the sound image

2013-01-08 Thread Michael Chapman
Thanks very much. You are so kind. I will have a try as your suggestion. Best regards, Rilin Chen Do let us know with what results ! These type of problems are usually a

Re: [Sursound] Array for sound field recording and extend the sound image

2013-01-08 Thread Tim Collins
You can make a velocity microphone by subtracting two closely spaced omnis. I saw a paper on making ambisonic recordings like this a couple of years ago: http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=15389 The problems, though, are spatial aliasing at high frequencies and lack of sensitivity at low

Re: [Sursound] Array for sound field recording and extend the sound image

2013-01-08 Thread David Pickett
At 11:54 08-01-13, Tim Collins wrote: You can make a velocity microphone by subtracting two closely spaced omnis. I seem to recall that Blumlein did this and also found that the s-n ratio was poor. David ___ Sursound mailing list

Re: [Sursound] Array for sound field recording and extend the sound image

2013-01-08 Thread Chenrilin
Without more details, it hard to speculate about problems, but I'll note that subtracting the outputs of two omnis to get a fig-8 response will result in a frequency response that rises 6dB/octave with a 90 degree phase shift relative to the sum. Unless that is corrected, these signals are not

Re: [Sursound] Array for sound field recording and extend the sound image

2013-01-07 Thread Aaron Heller
Without more details, it hard to speculate about problems, but I'll note that subtracting the outputs of two omnis to get a fig-8 response will result in a frequency response that rises 6dB/octave with a 90 degree phase shift relative to the sum. Unless that is corrected, these signals are not

Re: [Sursound] Array for sound field recording and extend the sound image

2013-01-07 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 03:12:26PM -0800, Aaron Heller wrote: Without more details, it hard to speculate about problems, but I'll note that subtracting the outputs of two omnis to get a fig-8 response will result in a frequency response that rises 6dB/octave with a 90 degree phase shift

Re: [Sursound] Array for sound field recording and extend the sound image

2013-01-07 Thread Mike Felton
The mics are omnis It might be stating the obvious here but how would you get ANY directional information out of four OMNI mics close together? :-) Surely to get a fig-8 response you need two CARDIODS back to back (one of which is polarity reversed obviously). Mike Felton On 7 January 2013

Re: [Sursound] Array for sound field recording and extend the sound image

2013-01-07 Thread Chenrilin
Hi, Seems likely then that the problem is related to the usual in head problem that many (maybe even most) people people have with simple, non matched HRTF based systems, whether driven from decoded Ambisonic signals or from binaurally recorded (dummy head) material. There's been a lot of

[Sursound] Array for sound field recording and extend the sound image

2013-01-06 Thread Chenrilin
Hello, all I have designed an array of four microphones to get B-format signal. The coordinates of mics are mic1 (-d/2,0), mic2 (d/2,0), mic3 (0, d/2), mic4 (0,-d/2),and d is about 18mm.Every opposite pair can be composed into a first order differential array and get a pattern of figure 8. So

Re: [Sursound] Array for sound field recording and extend the sound image

2013-01-06 Thread Michael Chapman
Hello, all [ ... ] The W component equals to the mean of signals from four mics. Then I decoded them to get the feeding signal for four loudspeakers, and used HRTFs to get the left and right signal for headphone. 1. Furthermore, the experiment is made that a person was walking

Re: [Sursound] Array for sound field recording and extend the sound image

2013-01-06 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jan 06, 2013 at 09:18:43AM +, Chenrilin wrote: Hello, all I have designed an array of four microphones to get B-format signal. The coordinates of mics are mic1 (-d/2,0), mic2 (d/2,0), mic3 (0, d/2), mic4 (0,-d/2),and d is about 18mm.Every opposite pair can be composed into a

Re: [Sursound] Array for sound field recording and extend the sound image

2013-01-06 Thread Chenrilin
Do you get the same problem if you playback through four loudspeakers, or is it only after HRTF manipulation ? We'll need a bit more information. * Are the mics omnis, or directional ? If directional, what are the directions ? * How exactly to you compute X and Y frm the mic signals ?