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speaker positioning, they must be very nice indeed.
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ss auntie is as much interested in testing mpeg-dash as in 4.0 :)
adaptive streaming has its nice aspects, both from the content
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fficiently low crosstalk.
In practice, almost no recording stays single-point co-incident, except
for purist POA recordings under very controlled conditions, and only
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speakers' formats.
Which paradigm do you mean? I've read somewhere (I guess in the ITU
recommendation) that the content in the surrounds should be decorrelated
from L and R, but that's about all...
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excited about this!
Seems to run well, but stupid me went on a long weekend vacation without
bringing the headphones. So for now it's sweet anticipation :-D
Thanks for improving a killer app.
All best,
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decoding - most versatile, stable and cost
effective. My decoder of choice is AmbDec, or you could try Matthias
Kronlachner's AmbiX tools under Mac OS X.
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;t judge his decoder generator, because I only ever heard
one system with no means of comparison, but what I heard was certainly
very good.
What I don't understand is how he manages to hang out at MPEG working
group meetings on top of all the coding he does
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this wonderful app - I've been using it to show people
what's possible, and geeking off about smartphones is a wonderful
conversation starter that can then be steered gently to Ambisonics ;)
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On 03/09/2015 12:12 PM, Tobix wrote:
I've read that ambisonics is good for listener in center, right? This
means that if player can move the sound effect will be distorted?
If you're using pre-rendered Ambisonics files, the listener will never
move from the sweet spot, translations are imposs
ue to
the room layout and the fact that we also needed the subs for a frontal
LCR stereo system.. i digress. hooray for a real wxy sub decode.
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tion even in a small room, so using for subs is
by no means a waste of resources.
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for the
third-order treble range.
[1]
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across the entire hearing spectrum, which means
that we are mixing around the rules but are actually endangering our
audiences.
Be sure to check the literature for this problem, to get a balanced view.
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On 04/22/2015 10:50 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 08:20:36PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
Well, it's not a secret that most live sound engineers, when faced
with a 99dB(A) rule, will mix into the A curve, i.e. crank up the
bass a lot. So there is plenty anec
o time my way,
it's going to keep sitting on my harddrive.
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Graz. As is the wine :-D
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oors to
gravel floor with birds above outdoors).
Good luck for your recording project, please keep us updated on the results!
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y it.
Or they have something up their sleeve which I can't currently
imagine... If anyone can get a hold on directivity patterns per band and
on-axis frequency response, I'd love to take a peek.
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vidual capsule gains - if one capsule is
off by 3 dB (which would be a catastrophic mismatch), _all_ output
components will be totally warped.
The capsule EQs might have similarly severe consequences, leading to
weird direction-dependant coloration.
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On 09/14/2015 04:13 PM, Courville, Daniel wrote:
I’m leaving tomorrow for the International Conference on Spatial Audio in Graz,
Austria.
Anyone on the list also attending?
I'll be there as well. Hope to see you and have a glass of excellent
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16 channel AD/DA that has MADI and ADAT I/O.
34 channels is always nasty
And there is a lot to be said for four subs instead of two.
Maybe you should consider 28 tops and four subs, that way the conversion
is more cost-effective.
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ge angle as possible, unless I have to deal with a really
huge space. Since you can't avoid off-axis sound, at least make it
spectrally balanced.
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speaker has to be able to
deliver that oomph, single-handedly. Curse of multichannel. Content
doesn't scale :(
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dvertising" :-D
Not to say this thing can't be amazing fun to play with. But I'm not
considering it a serious tool unless I can see the specs.
Which will be sobering, unless their other project on kickstarter took
off as well and they have the PhysicsIsLookingElsewhere™ field
nd materializes, it will be (almost) omnidirectional again.
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On 10/15/2015 03:59 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
On 10/15/2015 03:41 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote:
What can I say Jorn - we have some and they work - not as well as
adverstised obviously but strip away the hype they have something thta
mor
eor less does as described - you'll have to w
etter than nothing, of course).
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new order "takes away" as much as it "adds", so
to say. Unlike at HF, where we have to add energies and any such
filtering throws the spectral balance of kilter, as Eigenmike users will
know...
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at will
last you a while. And in terms of SNR, the Andiamo is a lot better than
the Behringer (not to say the latter is bad).
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ross mid-hi
speakers. Better to move the xover a bit higher if the mid-hi speakers
need some more help.
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sible to put some fake LF borrowed from the lower
orders into the higher ones, so that the spectrum is flat for each
order, with the understanding that the directional information will be
wrong... But I'm not sure I'm seeing all the implications of this...
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t since I'm also using it in the studio, the D-SUBs actually quicker
to connect than individual XLRs.
And the new firmware comes with a complete matrix router that spans all
analog and MADI ins and outs. Quite handy, and you can run it
MIDI-over-MADI, so you don't need an extra cable t
On 10/21/2015 03:14 PM, Richard wrote:
That is very true, and there never will be.
I have a marvellous algorithm that will restore old shellacs to their
original 10-octaves full surround beauty, but since the world is what it
is, I'm not going to show it to you.
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On 12/04/2015 08:56 PM, Bo-Erik Sandholm wrote:
http://www.williamsonic.com/DipoleMic/ as often I am too fast to post :-)
I found the article again on a practical differential microphone for DIY.
thanks, excellent article!
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ng can possibly have.
For that price, let's hope they see the light and partner with mh or
Duraiswami and deliver something that really kicks butt in the audio
domain...
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rtically spaced loudspeakers
do not contribute to localisation in any way. helmut is aware of this
and has presented a much more compact 8-channel mic array at ICSA 2015
in graz, where the top and bottom mics are practically coincident.
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On 12/06/2015 06:14 PM, Stefan Schreiber wrote:
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
btw, since you're quoting this very interesting article, it has been
partly superseded by recent research of lee at al. at huddersfield
(see latest JAES), who found that there is _no_ vertical precendence
effec
On 12/06/2015 07:44 PM, Kees de Visser wrote:
On 6 Dec 2015, at 11:46, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
btw, since you're quoting this very interesting article, it has
been partly superseded by recent research of lee at al. at
huddersfield (see latest JAES), who found that there is _no_
ver
nimize crosstalk and ensure
well-defined decorrelation between speaker channels, not isotropy. it is
intended to produce ambience only.
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nless you bend your neck to the sides and then up/down. this is a
very unnatural movement. i do use it from time to time to check for
errors in complex loudspeaker systems, but it usually results in
bystanders asking if i'm ok.
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On 12/06/2015 11:46 AM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
On 12/05/2015 05:26 PM, Stefan Schreiber wrote:
I wrote: "8-channel ... hedgehog", which is/was already some form of
educated guess.
See:
http://www.hauptmikrofon.de/HW/TMT2012_3DNaturalRecording_Theile_Wittek_2012_11.pdf,
pg.
d
lead-lag pair is necessary for localization dominance to occur when
the lag is spatially separated from the lead.
i can't imagine what this means.
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ing! a quick glance makes me very curious, i'm
looking forward to reading this tonight.
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here else.
3rd-order ambisonic vertical localisation seems uniformly so-so
throughout the elevation range, which to me is preferrable...
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On 12/09/2015 03:00 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
i've attached the paper, since it is open access.
well, i meant to, but apparently the attachment got eaten. here it is:
http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=18040
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mbisonic panner :)
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find improved ways to reproduce surround sound (including 3D audio) via
headphones and loudspeakers.
Thanks for pointing this out. :-]
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thing yet (i'm not using it for anything
critical), and it sure isn't great but usable, and for the price who'd
complain.
one of those would enable you to run third-order horizontal ambisonics
over wireless without jumping through fiery hoops.
all best,
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could do it, but then the
question is who's going to dig through the archives and ship the stuff?
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Too bad they kicked the Eigenmike guys out :-D
Those who do not understand spherical harmonics have to reinvent it...
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ce to try AE on 6.0 on a Samsung? I know this is
quite bleeding edge and CM is pretty shaky still, too. So no ill
feelings if there's no immediate fix. Maybe I should just go into
version junkie detox and stick with what works :-D
All best,
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pedia.org/wiki/Mixed-order_Ambisonics#Complete_mixed-order_sets_.28.23H.23V.29
However, I don't know of anybody who has
experience with decoding such sets.
Fons's decoder can handle that, and iirc it comes with examples. This
scheme is particularly useful for stacked rings.
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s the whole upper body moves, rather than
just the neck, but I guess it's a start.
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(more than 200!).
Well worth reading
(35$ for AES members).
i've been eyeing this one for a while (it's advertised in every new
issue of the AES journal...), but your recommendation finally made me
order it. thanks!
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ing months, hopefully with the
help of Rozenn Nicol's book.
Meanwhile, forgive the man without the heavy ion accelerator that this
problem did indeed look like a nail :-D
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that inside the black
box, some very-high-order stuff might be going on.
if by quadrupling the processing power, i can get a robust 5%
improvement in the rendering of first-order material, i wouldn't
hesitate a second, except in very special cases.
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cpu,
and waste storage). in any case, you can make use of the full length of
the hrtfs.
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On 02/03/2016 02:48 PM, florian.came...@orf.at wrote:
(But we shouldn't divert from the original topic.)
no, that is frowned upon here :-D
thanks for the insightful comments, i was wondering the same...
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7;c color-coded for weight).
the length of the microphone body including connector and curved cable
is about 30 cm (see photo sent in private that's probably not going to
make it to the list).
best,
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ertices) if you want
full-sphere, but then only for 2nd order. 3-6-3 can also be nice and
simpler to set up.
the big advantage of an icosahedron is that most decoders have a
suitable setup by default. for hemispheres, you'd need to compute it
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itors, 180 exhibitors and more than 200 paper
presentations in the past.
And the more interest we see, the more resources we can justify to put
into a nice Ambi rig.
Disclaimer: I'm a member of VDT and work for them as technical director
of the conference.
Best,
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ut unless you really need extremely high horizontal resolution
for research purposes or a truly humongous listening area, a better use
for all those speakers would be to make a more or less uniform 3D rig.
gets you a nice dodecahedron for full third-order all around.
best,
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fy approx dates, subject lines, or
keywords to search on? Alternatively, please repeat the information
here, as it could be of interest.
IIRC, one of the BLaH papers also cites listening tests that have found
the hexagon to be preferred over square or rectangular setups for first
order.
transmitter
working on a given frequency. if you wanted to hand over to another, it
would have to work on a different frequency, and the receivers would
have to support that kind of feature. I don't know any headphones that
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ttendants start them before handing them to the audience.
Another solution might be IR-based systems as used by interpreters. They
are quite resilient and easily handle multiple emitters. I don't know
what their audio bandwidth is, however.
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g is like, with a distance
between the legs of the u that are a lot longer than the wavelength?
i would expect pretty fancy interference patters with loads of complete
nulls all over the place. or is there some sort of near-field effect
that makes the effect of parallel lengths of wire ne
ponses would be the most important piece of the
puzzle. maybe we should just sweep each speaker into a tetramic in the
sweet spot as a start. with careful analysis, that should contain a lot
of information about the speakers and the room. we get free-field
response above a few hundred hertz, and
nce on the wikipedia page on
ambisonic listening rigs.
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e... so if anyone is interested, just drop an email.
can't speak for anyone else here, but personally i would very much like
to be informed about this project, and it seems perfectly on topic for
sursound.
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On 01/08/2016 11:25 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
Hi Hector, hi everone,
after a botched mobile phone upgrade (I'm using CM on my Samsung S4 and
update frequently), I was forced to redo the phone from scratch, taking
the opportunity to move to CM13.0, which is based on Android 6.
rnals
Pure Data
HoaLibrary: http://www.mshparisnord.fr/hoalibrary/
Plogue Bidule
Aristotel Digenis: http://www.digenis.co.uk/?page_id=59
i've added AAT to the list on wikipedia, i think the rest is there.
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On 01/27/2016 01:56 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
On 01/26/2016 11:05 PM, Politis Archontis wrote:
Hi Jorn,
yes that is correct. I think however that the virtual loudspeaker
stage is unnecessary. It is equivalent if you expand the left and
right HRTFs into spherical harmonics and multiply
facing
different formats.
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only way to get two rotationally invariant signals into the stream
is a cardioid pointing up and another one pointing down. if your player
ignores head tilt, the result is like summing to mono and mixing into W.
if it supports head tilt, the result is likely even worse :-D
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On 03/26/2016 05:22 PM, Albert Leusink wrote:
Jörn Nettingsmeier writes:
i don't see why you would want to do that. the effect will be quite
strange... why would any part of the sound mix stay constant wrt head
position?
the effect would be a bit like rotating the music bed in the c
Chapman) and the
formulation of SN3D by Nachbar et al. (which, if combined as-is, will
yield a result that is off by 1/4pi or, as Franz Zotter helpfully
pointed out, ~11dB). Not terribly disturbing since it's constant, but
something that needs to be fixed for internal consistency.
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Best Demo Award including a certificate will be presented at
the conference closing ceremony.
With best regards
Dr. Alexander Lindau
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AES International Conference on Headphone Technologies, Aalborg (DK), 2016
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d it during the april foolery, but now it must out :)
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On 04/08/2016 02:10 PM, Marc Lavallée wrote:
On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:00:20 +0200,
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote :
On 04/07/2016 08:13 PM, Marc Lavallee wrote:
The FAQ says:
"audio is recorded in 96 KHz/16 bit quality"
I would prefer 48 KHz/24 bit.
let's not discuss matters of ta
On 04/08/2016 04:26 PM, Bo-Erik Sandholm wrote:
Multi direction binaurals?s?
http://recordinghacks.com/microphones/T-H-E-Audio/BS-3D
Or beamforming ?
a casual glance over the site seems to suggest direct beamforming
without an intermediate b-format.
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On 04/08/2016 04:26 PM, Marc Lavallee wrote:
On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 15:13:16 +0200
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
They might have very pragmatic reasons: if they know their equivalent
input noise is at 30 dB SPL and their capsules barf at 120, then
restricting the word length to 96 dB is a perfectly
matter is that as long as video techs add mics
as an afterthought, the results are going to suck, badly.
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ht now for lack of a Windows machine on the
road, but I seem to remember it's pretty powerful...
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matrix patch setup?
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15k? Is is possible to linearize it to get a useful response above 10k,
or does it come with extreme ringing that would make it unusable?
Always good to learn about up and coming new technologies, but for this
one I'm dusting off and waxing my ten-foot pole...
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, yet interfacing
it to, the outside world.
Chris Woolf
Hi Chris, excellent link, thanks! That explains it :)
Btw, good to see you guys at Mikroforum the other week!
All best,
Jörn
On 14-Apr-16 11:04, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
On 04/13/2016 04:25 PM, Marc Lavallee wrote:
I'm looki
ty of a single drive.
And while I'm preaching: don't use hardware RAID controllers, unless you
can afford to keep one as a backup in case the first one fails. Their
disk formats are not standardized, they are not necessarily compatible
to anything you might be able to buy ten years
sting programme - I don't think I'll be going, which is
a pity - so I look forward to reading reports here.
Will be there, will report, would like to meet fellow sursounders for
une bière...
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On 05/24/2016 01:03 PM, Richard wrote:
Limited as there’s no Windows support yet
How is that a limit?
/me ducks and covers...
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ormat, to enable head tracking on the client side.
And B-format (or rather, AmbiX 1st order) is what Google has decided to
use for its YouTube 360 format (aka Google Jump).
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with
the decoder coefficients for FL/FR.
i'm only partly serious, but since i'm still haven't mastered ADT, these
are the approaches available to me :-D
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