Hi Jim and All,
You were right about one thing, I am fairly
weird and proud of it. ;-))
To go against the grain like I do like not
working 9 to5, making my own energy/ electric car /
fuels because I dislike what's availible, don't drink
alcohol because it's too
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Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 22:22:25 -0400
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Acrolein = Black Death?
Relative to acrolein production from glycerin, Appal's resident wise man
(no, not me, the chemist) had the following to say after reading the post
immediately
Re:
Fine Particles of Air Pollutants Harmful as Passive Smoking --
Environment News Service
http://ens-news.com/ens/may2001/2001L-05-03-01.html
In March 2000 a study by the South Coast Air Quality Management
District of Los Angeles found that emissions of diesel particulates
are responsible
Jim,
There are several American diesel vehicles--off the top of my head-Dodge
trucks are available with a Cumin's 5.9l, Ford trucks and vans are available
with fords PowerStroke -not sure what displacement though, and Chevy also
makes a diesel engine, but from what I've heard, Chevy's is not so
Hi Keith and Terry at Biofuels and Aleks if you`re
out there,
Forget the lipase thing I brought up and take
a look at this at www.delphion.com ,
WO 00/05327. This is the process I was looking
for to begin with. There are references to it
all over the web.
I'll second that notion!!
Write us another Keith!!
-TZ :)
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From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] JIM Befuddling post
We hobbled from the court. Outside Henry stopped and leaned on
Hi Michael,
Didn`t see your post before I made my
reply to Keith and Terry. If you have time
and it sounds like you have some nice
equipment; take a look at www.delphion.com
under biodiesel at WO 00/05327 and see
what you think.
David Cruse
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Tim Zarbo wrote:
Jim,
There are several American diesel vehicles--off the top of my head-Dodge
trucks are available with a Cumin's 5.9l, Ford trucks and vans are available
with fords PowerStroke -not sure what displacement though,
It's 7.4 liters, and will cost you almost $10 000 in
Also a Jeep Cherokee diesel (Aleks has got one).
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Tokyo
http://journeytoforever.org/
Jim,
There are several American diesel vehicles--off the top of my head-Dodge
trucks are available with a Cumin's 5.9l, Ford trucks and vans are available
For Robert (or anyone else who might have thought about it..)
Which of these diesels would y'all want to use to power a generator large
enough to power a typical American home? (My 'typical'? home=approx 30-80
KWh/daily consumption) I'd like it to provide enough power to run the home,
and any
Hi B. Mulliken,
All fuel cells that I have seen on the market
so far are reformers and what they reform
is a fossil fuel such as natural gas, methanol,
( methanol from synthesis of fossil fuel such as
natural gas), and other unpleasant fossil derived
things!
Keith,
Before this goes too much further someone should get to the top of
the Ford heirachy and without mentioning this Volvo scenario someone should
find out Fords Official policy as regards Biodiesel. Either way the biod
industry stands to benefit in the longrun.
B.r., David
And
This is the famous Fox/Ginosar process - but they won't tell anybody what
the permanent catalyst is!
I do know it involves polymers, but that is all.
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Here we go again - the hydrogen economy!
How much energy does it take to produce sodium borohydride - anybody know?
And what happens to the by-products, after the hydrogen is stripped out?
I am still looking for something for nothing
Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Doesn't the fuel cell in the shuttle use energy from the solar panels to
produce the electricity to produce the hydrogen to produce the electricity?
We could do that down here.
If we had enough room.
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Hi David
Hi B. Mulliken,
He ain't there - I get this newsletter and usually forward it to the list.
All fuel cells that I have seen on the market
so far are reformers and what they reform
is a fossil fuel such as natural gas, methanol,
( methanol from synthesis of
David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Keith,
Before this goes too much further someone should get to the top of
the Ford heirachy and without mentioning this Volvo scenario someone should
find out Fords Official policy as regards Biodiesel. Either way the biod
industry stands to
I'll second that notion!!
Write us another Keith!!
-TZ :)
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From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] JIM Befuddling post
We hobbled from the court. Outside Henry stopped and leaned
David C,
Have just looked at the abstract at this point but suspect
they may mean a centrifugal separator such as an Alfa Laval or Sharples at
this point.
B.r., David
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From: david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May
This is the famous Fox/Ginosar process - but they won't tell anybody what
the permanent catalyst is!
..
Could be a Lewis acid or base or similar such - solids which act as acids at
high temps. They are descriptive of higher heat and pressures.
Todd
Appal Energy
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Hi Todd,
You`re right . But they do give a list of
the solid inorganic oxides which are among
those used in the process described in
claim 8 . Maybe someone among us can
help with this stuff. I`m going to talk to two
of my friends here who have some
Hi David R..
I guess one of those will cost about a
few thousand or so, but I do like this
one over the lipase deal. Anyway I`m
hoping that it could work for us all and
open up a better way. I`ll try to find out
if the equipment can be put together
Hi Keith,
That`s a trade secret!! You know I
was thinking the same thing about the fuel cells.
Of course they will never think of it, they have
been breathing petrol fumes to long and are
hopelessly addicted.
David Cruse
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From: Keith
Hi Terry,
Don`t know that one. But heard many times
that their fuell cells use plain water.
They have probably developed more technology
with the solar panels. I don`t go to the NASA
site too often, and there are other space tech
sites I don`t check in
Points to start and research:
(From the Woollatt book but remember published 1985).
Bleaching and the treatment of Distillates with ion-exchange resins to
upgrade quality :
initial bleaching with 0.2-2.0% activated carbon
ion-exchange resins from Rohm and Haas instead of or after a.c.
Hi David R.
Distillation does seem to be the way, the
Gen. Mgr. at OAE says that`s the way they use,
and they have a million gals. a yr. !
David Cruse
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From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 5:41 PM
Subject: Re:
Hi David C,
A good quality Alfa Laval cream separator might do the
majority of it and you might then be able to ship it to a more central point
for ion-exchange resin treatment and distillation or whatever is required.
B.r., David
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From: david e
Hi David,
Most of the modern synthetic glycerine plants seem to be based
on technology similar to the original Shell process based on propylene.
Woollatt in his book says: Considerable problems were experienced
initially, particularly as regards purification, but the quality of
Hi David R,
Cool ! A cream separator , ok.
David Cruse
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From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes
Hi David C,
A good quality Alfa Laval cream
Hi David R.,
I agree, glycerol is an opportunity for everyone
to offset some expenses if not make a good profit for the effort. Better
green folks than the big corporate
types, and besides that with a little economic muscle
among the green, we could bring some impact
to the market place. I
Hi David C,
Check the patent further. They may also have meant an
Ion-exchange column separator. I dont know; I only quickly looked at the
abstract. Sometimes also patents are deliberately confusing so they cover
their ass either way. I just think a cream separator might do it
Hahahahahahaha!!! Flyin' PIGS!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Hey Keith, whenever you feel the urge, just drop one to
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OK? Then you won't be 'Off Topic'.
PS how do I browse the Archives?
-Tim Z Looking Up ;)
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From: Keith
Hello everybody...
Today I witnessed a motorbike trike- powered by an unmistakable
donated generator. It was sweet; just a generator engine turned and mated to
a (vw?) tranny. Maybe... I could do the same and make a diesel bike, eh?
-JIM
[Non-text portions of this
O.T. Re Tall stories and True. (Maybe you should collate some of them, add a
few more, and publish them Keith, and put them out under this title
perhaps).
Hi Tim,
You want to be careful what you ask for. Life has a habit of
giving us exactly what we ask for in a round about way. If it
Actually, guys, fuel cells were used as early as the first gemini and up
to the Apollos (which had no/few solar cells). Oxy and Hydrogen are combined
in NASA cells to make water and lots (many kilowatts) of electricity. Solar
panels in space are usually only good for station-keeping or
Check the patent further. They may also have meant an
Ion-exchange column separator. I dont know; I only quickly looked at the
abstract. Sometimes also patents are deliberately confusing so they cover
their ass either way. I just think a cream separator might do it quite
Todd,
Thanks for your reply. Do you have a list of solid, and soluble
catalysts?
B.r., David
Appal's chemist and I discussed Ginosar's methodology when we first saw
the
article last year. That conversation briefly touched on Lewis acids and
resin coated polymers. We let it lay, as
Hey Todd,
That sounds great , and would be fantastic ! Thank
you. I am not in a rural area here so we are going
to have to deal with that by either leasing , or
purchasing a couple of acres to put up a facility.
We want to produce power with the biodiesel
as our fuel, that way we can have the
Hi Todd,
Sorry didn`t look before I replied to your message
to David Reid. Anyway I would have sent it
to you anyway.
David Cruse
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From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes
Thanks for your reply. Do you have a list of solid, and soluble
catalysts?
.
David,
I do not personally. This is exactly why we let the good doctor buy in.
Actually, the offer was made that he couldn't refuse and he just sauntered
in with his kit bag.
I'll put
Managed to find the following quickly:
Lewis acid definition: Any species that can accept a pair of electrons and
form a coordinate covalent bond.
Also found the following:
Lewis acid reagents: see http://www.oup.co.uk/isbn/0-19-850099-8
B.r., David
Appal's chemist and I discussed Ginosar's
David Cruse,
Would you mind sharing your plans in reference to selling power to your
CoOp? I am interested in doing something similar here in FL if I can get
them interested.
You In Jerry D? :)
David, feel free to email me directly if you like, I am curious as to what
scale, and methods exactly
At the URL http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biodiesel_ethanol.htm a
process for making biodiesel from rapeseed oil using ethanol rather than
methanol is described.
Does anyone know what proportions of ethanol and potassium hydroxide per
volume of palm oil have to be used to produce biodiesel
spell unsubscribe right and it wouldn't be a problem.
Neat thing about the computer is a copy and paste
feature. It works well.
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Hello. I have now tried three times to unsuscribe
to this without being
successfuly. When I send a message to
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Ford makes an Escort and Tempo Diesel cars. Ford also
makes a power stroke. Dodge has the cummins diesel.
Chevy also has a small diesel pickup, (older models),
but don't remember the names or what years they where
made.. Hope this at least helps some.
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Hanns,
The only way you can make Biodiesel from palm oil and ethanol
using this method is using anhydrous ethanol (dried ethanol ie. 100% or
almost 100% ethanol) which is not feasible for the small producer and is too
dear to buy in. (It only becomes feasible to produce when you are a
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all.
Ive just put a schematic together for a tank system using the
Foolproof (sulphuric acid) method, with methanol recovery.
Could I have the circuit checked out by some of your good selves.
I have been trying to get a reaction from Ford UK for nearly a year, now,
with no success.
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Noto bene -
The Fox/Ginosar method is not yet used commercially - there are still bugs
to be ironed out, which is why they are still looking (February) for
finance to complete development to viable level.
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Hey folks!
I've been studying biotechnology for the past two weeks, now I'm
back, my head bigger still. My neck hurts already.
I've learned several things concerning lipases and their use:
1. not every type of microbial lipase is good for every alc combined
with every fat. Reactions are quite
At the URL http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biodiesel_ethanol.htm a
process for making biodiesel from rapeseed oil using ethanol rather than
methanol is described.
Does anyone know what proportions of ethanol and potassium hydroxide per
volume of palm oil have to be used to produce biodiesel
Biofuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Noto bene -
The Fox/Ginosar method is not yet used commercially - there are still bugs
to be ironed out, which is why they are still looking (February) for
finance to complete development to viable level.
I've been wondering about that - it's more than two
David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
O.T. Re Tall stories and True. (Maybe you should collate some of them, add a
few more, and publish them Keith, and put them out under this title
perhaps).
Hi David
They were published, a year-long series, called Mo mantai,
Cantonese for No problem, which
Hi Tim
Hahahahahahaha!!! Flyin' PIGS!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Wow! - I got you ROFLYAO!
Hey Keith, whenever you feel the urge, just drop one to
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OK? Then you won't be 'Off Topic'.
There's one here, if you like (different series):
Hi Tim and All,
--- Tim Zarbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Cruse,
Would you mind sharing your plans in reference to
selling power to your
CoOp? I am interested in doing something similar
here in FL if I can get
them interested.
You In Jerry D? :)
I'd love to sell
Anhydrous Ethanol!!.
Heh fellers, had to chop in here with my two cents worth.
They best that you can get by distillation is about 95% ethanol. Its all
about azeotropes.
But then you use a dessicant to take out the rest. Roast some rice grains
in the oven until they crackle
and add them to the
Hanns Wetzel in PNG wrote:
Does anyone know what proportions of ethanol and potassium hydroxide
per
volume of palm oil have to be used to produce biodiesel from palm oil,
or
does anyone know of a site on the web where this process is described
like
on the URL mentioned above.
I am looking for
I plan to post to the files area two proposals from, of all agencies,
NASA, that could be of interest to the group, but here are excerpts.
LAR-14895:
In one version of this process,castor oil would be added to an
ethanol/water solution.The ethanol would mix freely with castor
oil,which is
Anhydrous Ethanol!!.
Heh fellers, had to chop in here with my two cents worth.
They best that you can get by distillation is about 95% ethanol. Its all
about azeotropes.
But then you use a dessicant to take out the rest. Roast some rice grains
in the oven until they crackle
and add them to the
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