Re: [biofuels-biz] key figures for the initial costs and operating costs...

2001-06-20 Thread monteoro
Jan, Sorry for the late reply. Did not see your question at the bottom before. Since we produce biodiesel from different oil sources, these differences could give different properties. Like coconut has better wintering properties. Our vegetable oil here is mainly from coconut so thats it. If

Re: [biofuels-biz] Ethanol from cellulose

2001-06-20 Thread Keith Addison
Iogen press releases say they've just finished a 100 tonne (per day I think) pilot plant in Canada. They must be fairly confident. They say the cellulose enzyme process is econmic compared to the acid process developed by some US universities. Their planned feedstock is straw from the wheat

[biofuels-biz] cost of WVO

2001-06-20 Thread john hornig
The bog standard fee which is charged for picking up WVO from a restaurant is £1 per 25 litre can. Get your local community recyclers involved - they've got the transport / infrastructure / links with the council. Having a new material they can recycle gives them kudos, and gives them a better

Re: [biofuels-biz] Standards - was Re: [biofuel] The importance of proper filtering

2001-06-20 Thread Keith Addison
I don't know... Petrol, gasoline and ethanol make no mention of the engine type they are used in. Also the name diesel suggests we are connected with the dirty stuff provided by the petrochem industry. Petrol and gasoline are not trying to establish themselves in a tough market, as is

Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: key figures for the initial costs and operating costs...

2001-06-20 Thread Dick Carlstein
answer in your em : Sent: Martes 19 de Junio de 2001 09:25 Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: key figures for the initial costs and operating costs... So still looking stupid at this end :)... i had to learn, just like you. i don't consider that makes me stupid !!! just curious, what ??? We are

[biofuels-biz] Materials Conversion Table

2001-06-20 Thread doctor who
I believe it was to this list I posted the question about how much does a 5 gallon container of WVO weigh. These figures I needed for calculating the size of the truck I would need to purchase to collect WVO from restaurant sites. Well in my research browsing I was able to find the data I

Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: the data for hydrogen using biodiesel installation....

2001-06-20 Thread monteoro
Hi all, I think when you hydrogenate the glycerine, it becomes a wax. Can someone check on this. Anyone know where to get some hydrogen to test this? Ken C. At 12:40 PM 6/19/01 +, you wrote: You are sort of right with your assumptions about feedstock requirements. You need: #

[biofuels-biz] Re: Materials Conversion Table

2001-06-20 Thread david_design
Oil is about 850g per litre (similar to ester), but assume the same as water and you'll not go far wrong. Overloading is asking for trouble. Most collectors swap poly barrels full for empty. Dave --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], doctor who [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe it was to this list I

[biofuels-biz] Re: key figures for the initial costs and operating costs...

2001-06-20 Thread david_design
Do you have contact details for the Polish equipment supplier and do you know what their output is per hour? Dave --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan, Sorry for the late reply. Did not see your question at the bottom before. Since we produce biodiesel from different

[biofuels-biz] Re: free links

2001-06-20 Thread david_design
Used oil ester is always darker than new oil ester. But perhaps this explains why my acid-base batch gave poor miles per gallon. I used loads of methanol, but it was a dark colour. Maybe I did not use enough base catalyst. Or maybe I over-did the acid stage. Does anybody have any timings for

[biofuels-biz] Polish manufacturer....

2001-06-20 Thread Jan Sur—wka
Hi Dave, I have the contact data of the batch technology provider and several producers of the equipment. The batch installation is for producing methyl esters from rapeseed oil. The capacity (thruput) is 400 litres/day (little more than 100 gallons/day). I do not know their hourly capacity.

RE: [biofuel] Fish oil

2001-06-20 Thread doctor who
Just out of curiosity does fish oil stink when it's burned? I could see sitting behind a truck in traffic the smells like french frys or donuts but fish yu...a trail of cats wherever you go. Maybe a market for the animal control vehicles. cheers, cordain dulles, va. From: Mike Brownstone

Re: [biofuel] me and my big mouth re: smalltimers

2001-06-20 Thread Biofuels
Ian, nobody took you that seriously - keep us posted and contact me direst if you have any problems (legal!) with CE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an

Re: [biofuel] Fish oil

2001-06-20 Thread Biofuels
Been there, done it, got the polymerised t-shirt! Advice - don't try too much at one time and pour the polymers out of the mixing tank before they congeal. Or have lots of hot water handy and somewhere remote from felines to dispose of. Biofuel at Journey to Forever:

Re: [biofuel] Re: Fish oil

2001-06-20 Thread doctor who
http://www.globefish.org/publications/commodityupdate/200010/200010.htm enjoy, cordain dulles, va From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Fish oil Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:15:12 - Does anyone know where to get a price of

[biofuel] Fish oil

2001-06-20 Thread Mike Brownstone
Has anyone used fish oils for the production of biodiesel? Would the standard procedures work or does fish oil present a problem? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send

RE: [biofuel] Automotive Alternator as a Windpower Resource

2001-06-20 Thread kirk
Nice link. People using gensets made with auto alternators can benefit from this one. For windpower you need to engineer a cut in speed as well since rotation is very variable. Also starting torque is larger if energised. If you want power in light air movement modulation of field is also

[biofuel] Caustic soda in the UK

2001-06-20 Thread simon wells
Hi Sorry to be short, but you can't have looked far. I've yet to find a DIY sorry in the UK that doesn't stock it. Mangers is the most common brand. Simon Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address.

Re: [biofuel] Fish oil

2001-06-20 Thread Biofuels
Let me spell it out. Transesterification can be carried out on fish oil, the same as vegetable oil or animal fats. However, because of enormous long molecular chains, the result is a polymerised goo. It is not a pretty sight. It is not an easy mess to clear out, as it sets semi-hard. It stinks to

Re: [biofuel] Fish oil

2001-06-20 Thread Biofuels
Fish oil stinks when it is fresh. It stinks when it is not fresh. It stinks when you burn it straight. It stinks when you esterify it. It stinks when you burn the resultant polymer. Apart from that, it's not too bad. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please

Re: [biofuel] me and my big mouth re: smalltimers

2001-06-20 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Ian Wow, that's quite a chunk of humble pie you just ate! Too much, IMHO - it's called a learning curve, eh? And we can all learn from that. So, thanks Ian, please stick around, and looking forward to seeing your new web pages. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects

Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change

2001-06-20 Thread Keith Addison
Shsh, how times do change! A few months back I posted a few questions on this list regarding the selling of global warming. The true believers on this list responded by giving me a beating, virtually speaking, for daring to question such 'Scientific Truth'. Now it appears that heretics are

[biofuel] Re: Fish oil

2001-06-20 Thread ratchelali
Does anyone know where to get a price of bulk fish oil. Is it not one of the cheapest types of renewable oil. Jonathan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL

Re: [biofuel] Re: Fish oil

2001-06-20 Thread Harmon Seaver
With all the commercial fisheries (and fishermen) going tits up, I don't know if you can really consider fish oil renewable. I'd be amazed if it stayed cheap for long, since there are strong indications that overfishing of the oil species are part of the problem for the other fisheries,

RE: [biofuel] Re: Fish oil

2001-06-20 Thread Mike Brownstone
Sure!! $250.00/metric ton (RSA) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:15 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Fish oil Does anyone know where to get a price of bulk fish oil. Is it not one of the

Re: [biofuel] Tom who?

2001-06-20 Thread steve spence
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Government protections

2001-06-20 Thread mbstartech
Very good point-one I hadn't even considered. Bush' oil buddies wouldn't like conservation-oops, I meant competition... E.J. On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:50:51 -0700 Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: E.J. writes: ...Unfortunately, this gives the government a very powerful argument for

Re: [biofuel] me and my big mouth re: smalltimers

2001-06-20 Thread wljohnson
Ian, I think you brought up some interesting points. Although I have made some small batches of Bio-d, I have often wondered what would I do with all of the glycerin and wash water when I began making larger batches. When you start making 100 gallons or more bio-d, it is no longer feasible to

Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change

2001-06-20 Thread Warren Rekow
Keith said: Looking at it another way, even if it turns out that human-caused CO2 emissions have nothing or vanishingly little to do with climate and that there is no global warming, that it's all a myth/mistake/communist propaganda or whatever, moves to cut CO2 emissions are generally

[biofuel] Fwd: Stirling Engines

2001-06-20 Thread Warren Rekow
Orgone Biophysical Research Lab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.orgonelab.org Forwarded News Item Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups 3) Technology Development for Sustainable Energy Generation Stirling engines are external combustion engines that can use

Re: [biofuel] Re: Government protections

2001-06-20 Thread Bryan Fullerton
OK while I believe there are certain truths in these points of paranoia. Dont miss the obvious that is happening in the western states right now. Why do you think bush and his big oil politicians are pushing so hard for the Electric rates to go up in California and other western states? Sure what

RE: [biofuel] Re: Government protections

2001-06-20 Thread Noel Davies
Greetings folks. Can one convert spent motor oil into diesel? ND Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

[biofuel] Alcohol from wood

2001-06-20 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
Dear Listmates, The recent discussion of wood hydrolysis reminded me that I had promised to translate the relevant parts of Boullanger's treatise from French into English; this I am finally doing. I also found good information on saccharification in Haegglund's treatise on wood chemistry. I

Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change

2001-06-20 Thread Ed Beggs
RE: Reducing cancer risk by use of biodiesel (climate change) ..also you are eliminating sulphur; reducing particulates substantially; using a waste as a resource and/or supporting agriculture and new crops or uses of crops that we might not always think of when we think of biodiesel, (eg.

Global Warming 101: was Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change

2001-06-20 Thread Appal Energy
This hotlink is for those who think that what I'm about to say is horse muffins. It's a simple compound interest table. Oddly enough, this has everything to do with biofuels. http://www.cashflowzone.com/compound_interest.htm Think about this for a minute. Assuming at worste that no one knows if

[biofuel] Alcohol from waste paper?

2001-06-20 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc
In translating and collating what I have in my library about hydrolyzing wood cellulose to get fermentable sugars, it occurred to me that there is a much better source of cellulose than wood, and that using it would allow two birds to be killed with one stone. I refer of course to waste paper.

Global Warming 101: was Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change

2001-06-20 Thread gjkimlin
Global warming is an interesting term. The greenhouse effect, relative to the way man's activities are altering the composition of the atmosphere, surely must alter the way heat is transfered from near the surface of the earth to the upper atmosphere. If the ground warms significantly more in

RE: [biofuel]gas to diesel conversion

2001-06-20 Thread Dana Linscott
There are usually so many differences in autos that even if a model of your vehicle was offered by the manufacturer with a diesel engine it is not worth attempting to convert. If there was no diesel model of your vehicle it will be even more time consuming and experimental in nature.