[biofuels-biz] forest fires and using wood biomass as fuel

2003-10-30 Thread murdoch
http://www.covantaenergy.com/energy/biomass.php4 As I said a few months ago, I ran across this wood-biomass-to-electricity plant north of Sacramento this summer and was told by one local how clean it was, and how it allowed homeowners to have an option for clearing their land of some wood

[biofuels-biz] Natural-Gas-To-Liquids using Fischer-Tropsch?

2003-10-30 Thread murdoch
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031003/daf004a_1.html Anyone who knows about these chemical processes have any opinions (good, bad, indifferent) in reading this? I think Syntroleum started out as sort of a Texaco thing but I don't recall. I do know that Texaco was looking to increase the value of

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] diesel or hybrid? Why not Both!!

2003-10-30 Thread kabri2003
Hi, I'm new to your forum. My husband and I just purchased a diesel F250 PSD and have been devouring everything we can read about biodiesel. We also own a Toyota Prius Hybrid. I'm a bit dismayed by the negativity I've seen on some of the biodiesel forums towards hybrid owners. Hey, if ANY car

[biofuels-biz] WVO and coated steel

2003-10-30 Thread Darren Hill
HCII has posted about his experiences with WVO effecting steel coatings causing waxy deposits that block the filter. He has found this with coatings on steel fuel filters and Mercedes fuel tanks.. I have read a recent report of an American having similar problems with a 1987 300D Mercedes

[biofuel] Political Satire

2003-10-30 Thread Dan Maker
Buy oil, fund terroritst: http://www.nealskorpen.com/images/cyc_terrorists.gif Dan -- Jack of all trades, master of none. Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[biofuel] Re: The axis of oil: how a plan for the world's biggest pipeline threatens to wreak havoc

2003-10-30 Thread rach_3_1999
This shows only too well how our addiction to mineral based fuels is leading us to environmental disaster and possibly war. Here in the UK we are beginning to see some biodiesel appearing on the garage forecourts, though the industry is small here compared to France or Germany. UK is a small

Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] Anti-Spam software

2003-10-30 Thread Pieter Koole
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Re: [biofuel] Anti-Spam software

2003-10-30 Thread doug foskey
On Thursday 30 October 2003 09:16 am, Pieter Koole wrote: What is ment by spam ? Spam (from Spam is all Ham) came from the 2nd WW, where the English canned cooked pig, where it was reputed that the only thing left of the pig after canning was the squeal! Translated: Spam is junk mail, that is

Re: [biofuel] What vehicle are you running on biodiesel?

2003-10-30 Thread doug foskey
On Thursday 30 October 2003 12:13 pm, Franklin B. Del Rosario wrote: Hi Christopher I'm from the Philippines. I was interested about biodiesel that why when I bought my new car it was a diesel engine. I've learned producing biodiesel form this club and do a lot of experimentation until learn

[biofuel] Re: The axis of oil: how a plan for the world's biggest pipeline threatens to wreak havoc

2003-10-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hello David This shows only too well how our addiction to mineral based fuels is leading us to environmental disaster and possibly war. Here in the UK we are beginning to see some biodiesel appearing on the garage forecourts, though the industry is small here compared to France or Germany. UK is

Re: [biofuel] Political Satire

2003-10-30 Thread Keith Addison
Buy oil, fund terroritst: http://www.nealskorpen.com/images/cyc_terrorists.gif Dan -- Jack of all trades, master of none. Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard Hm. There are so many good reasons not to buy oil, but this sure

Re: [biofuel] Bio in a furnace??

2003-10-30 Thread Dan Maker
Paul B.Schmidt said: Newbie here... first post I don't have a diesel car (am thinking about it ) but do have an oil furnace. By coincidence the furnace cleaner guy is here today and I asked him if you can use biodiesel in place of home heating oil, which he said WAS diesel. I

Re: [biofuel] Re: The axis of oil: how a plan for the world's biggest pipeline threatens to wreak havoc

2003-10-30 Thread murdoch
David: If you come across any information on taxation of Biofuels in the UK, could you related it to us, when you have the time? I.e: how are folks dealing with the issue there? We heard that some cars were impounded last year because some biofuelers were not paying any fuel taxes or

[biofuel] Changes

2003-10-30 Thread desertstallion
Hi Keith and all the list, Hi Derek, how goes? I'm hoping to be more active on the list again. I've had trouble accessing the list through my company's firewall. Things are improving. Anyway, I have been reading through a couple of thousand messages and catching up!! I've been thinking of

Re: [biofuel] Anti-Spam software

2003-10-30 Thread Greg and April
Frankly, I actively manage AS, so all the groups I'm on, go on the accept list ASAP, and I work it until there is no feed back, in addition people who I regularly communicate with are put in the address book at the same time, even before I know that they are sending me something. This is why

[biofuel] Microturbines vs fuel cells

2003-10-30 Thread desertstallion
Hi, I'm really excited about these microturbines. The tubine/generator shaft is supported on air bearings. There aren't any lubricants. The things will run 24/7 with minimal maintenance only needing an air filter change once a year or so. The exhaust is exceedingly clean. They will run on

[biofuel] Converting to FFV

2003-10-30 Thread dkoliadko
I have a 2003 Toyota Sequoia. I want to convert it to a Flex Fuel Vehicle(FFV). Which will use the E85 as well as normal gasoline. I studied the diffences between the different alternative fuels and it appears that LPG and E85 are very close in all respects. I emailed a LPG conversion

Re: [biofuel] Microturbines vs fuel cells

2003-10-30 Thread Dan Maker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I think they need to try and downsize the turbines to the output for a house sized unit. Then, put one in the house and turn it on, fueled with biodiesel. Turn off the power company. It can set up as a cogen, so one has space heat, hot water, and electricity, all

[biofuel] forest fires and using wood biomass as fuel

2003-10-30 Thread murdoch
http://www.covantaenergy.com/energy/biomass.php4 As I said a few months ago, I ran across this wood-biomass-to-electricity plant north of Sacramento this summer and was told by one local how clean it was, and how it allowed homeowners to have an option for clearing their land of some wood

Re: [biofuel] Microturbines vs fuel cells

2003-10-30 Thread murdoch
Does anyone know the upper limits of energy efficiency on these turbines? I know with a conventional ICE engine, a major reason for looking to fuel cells as alternatives is that ICE engines are permanently limited by Carnot Cycle inefficiencies. Even though many fuel cells are not yet above

Re: [biofuel] Anti-Spam software

2003-10-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Greg People do these things, there's been quite a spate of them in the last month or so, with off-list complaints from list members, so it was worth saying in general, not aimed at you in particular. And it yields the added bonus of your example of good practice. I don't suppose, though,

Re: [biofuel] Microturbines vs fuel cells

2003-10-30 Thread Greg and April
While I was in the U.S. Army, I drove the M-1, and it is powered by multi-fuel turbine. Several things about the turbine stand out. The Good things are: 1) Quiet, it is very quiet compared to another type of engine of comparable size and power. 2) Powerful, take and disconnect the

[biofuel] Natural-Gas-To-Liquids using Fischer-Tropsch?

2003-10-30 Thread murdoch
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031003/daf004a_1.html Anyone who knows about these chemical processes have any opinions (good, bad, indifferent) in reading this? I think Syntroleum started out as sort of a Texaco thing but I don't recall. I do know that Texaco was looking to increase the value of

Re: [biofuel] Microturbines vs fuel cells

2003-10-30 Thread Greg and April
It is somewhat dependant on the incoming air temperature, the higher the incoming temp, the less fuel they have to use for a given power output. In general it is my understanding that they are better than conventional ICEs. Greg H. - Original Message - From: murdoch To:

Re: [biofuel] Natural-Gas-To-Liquids using Fischer-Tropsch?

2003-10-30 Thread Greg and April
I have studied the process, but, I'm going to keep quiet for a little while, in hopes that someone more knowledgeable than I speaks up. Greg H. - Original Message - From: murdoch To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

[biofuel] glycerine distillation

2003-10-30 Thread Martin Klingensmith
Todd, do you think a thin film evaporator could be used to distill the glycerine? I just did some research of my own, and it looks like would have to keep the glycerine below the flash point (176C) which means you'd need a vacuum of about 15mmHg (that's a pretty strong vacuum I assume) Would

Re: [biofuel] Converting to FFV

2003-10-30 Thread Keith Addison
I have a 2003 Toyota Sequoia. I want to convert it to a Flex Fuel Vehicle(FFV). Which will use the E85 as well as normal gasoline. I studied the diffences between the different alternative fuels and it appears that LPG and E85 are very close in all respects. I emailed a LPG conversion company

Re: [biofuel] Changes

2003-10-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Derek Hi Keith and all the list, Hi Derek, how goes? I'm hoping to be more active on the list again. You'll be welcome, as ever. I've had trouble accessing the list through my company's firewall. Things are improving. Is it that Yahoo addresses are not always welcome everywhere?

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of gas prices in U.S.

2003-10-30 Thread Perry Jones
Dave, Sorry to have taken forever to get back to you; no excuses, I've just had a bunch of emails sitting on my computer for an eternity and figured it's time to take care of them. I'm in Pittsburgh but don't know any sources as yet for oil. I'm nowhere near getting started in making my own,

Re: [biofuel] Microturbines vs fuel cells

2003-10-30 Thread desertstallion
MM, I think they are only used in buses or trucks for HEV applications due to their output. These are either 30 or 60 kW turbines. They can be grouped in sets of up to 100 units working together for non-HEV applications. That was why I made the comment about downsizing. Currently, they are

Re: [biofuel] Microturbines vs fuel cells

2003-10-30 Thread Martin Klingensmith
Their website lists 70-90% for cogeneration. I would imagine much less if you're wasting the exhaust heat. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ murdoch wrote: Does anyone know the upper limits of energy efficiency on these turbines? I know with a

Re: [biofuel] Microturbines vs fuel cells

2003-10-30 Thread desertstallion
Dan, I have a vague idea that I read somewhere that they are around USD 20,000 to 30,000. Way too much for a home application. Hopefully if they are downsized, the price would also be deflated. But, for a commercial application such as a cogen in a hotel, apparently the price is competitive.

Re: [biofuel] Natural-Gas-To-Liquids using Fischer-Tropsch?

2003-10-30 Thread Martin Klingensmith
What exactly constitutes a 'stranded' natural gas resource, and why would it be cheaper to build a plant to produce liquid fuel at such a place? (that's what they cite as one reason for doing it) I don't know how much gas it takes to create the liquid fuel, but I don't know why it would be

Re: [biofuel] Microturbines vs fuel cells

2003-10-30 Thread murdoch
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:12:49 -0500, you wrote: Their website lists 70-90% for cogeneration. I would imagine much less if you're wasting the exhaust heat. -- Thx. This whole cogeneration thing confuses me. I mean, we're told that ICE engines invariably lose x amount to pumping losses and

[biofuel] Organic farming combats global warming big time

2003-10-30 Thread Greg and April
I found this to be of interest, and thought that the list would find it interesting as well. http://www.newfarm.org/depts/NFfield_trials/1003/carbonsequest.shtml Greg H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

Re: [biofuel] Microturbines vs fuel cells

2003-10-30 Thread Martin Klingensmith
The consideration is also for reliability IMO. It's hard to beat 1 moving part versus many for a diesel, when possible. Another thing to take into consideration is the size of a very small turbine to power a house. As parts get smaller, common materials become inadequate. It has been my

Re: [biofuel] Hay All!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-10-30 Thread Jay Colbe
What is feedstock? jay Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I may be able to help you with feedstock. Mark Osborne --- Jay Colbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hay; My name is Jay Colbe, and I live in West Sacramento CA. I just got turned on to biodiesel and have started to think of

[biofuel] WVO and coated steel

2003-10-30 Thread Darren Hill
HCII has posted about his experiences with WVO effecting steel coatings causing waxy deposits that block the filter. He has found this with coatings on steel fuel filters and Mercedes fuel tanks.. I have read a recent report of an American having similar problems with a 1987 300D Mercedes

[biofuel] Re: Converting to FFV

2003-10-30 Thread shawstafari
I have a 2003 Toyota Sequoia. I want to convert it to a Flex Fuel Vehicle(FFV). Which will use the E85 as well as normal gasoline. David, It is unfortunate that Toyota does not yet make FFVs available from the factory. Ford, GM, Isuzu and Mercedes do, but not Toyota. As far as

[biofuel] Re: Changes

2003-10-30 Thread shawstafari
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :-) It sure looks like a tsunami to me. I get the same feeling, I've had it for awhile: the idea that these few years are an era on their own, not just changing times, almost a fulcrum of history between the past and

Re: [biofuel] WVO and coated steel

2003-10-30 Thread Greg and April
It could be possible that the coating maybe causing a catalytic reaction with the WVO. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Darren Hill To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com ; biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 17:08 Subject: [biofuel]

Re: [biofuel] glycerine distillation

2003-10-30 Thread Appal Energy
Martin, Thin film evaporators (industriall wiped thin film evaporators are used) and vacuum are a must for glycerol. http://www.inchem.org/documents/icsc/icsc/eics0624.htm Fifteen mm Hg is not an exceptionally strong vacuum. There are ~760 mm Hg per atmosphere. However, fifteen inches would be

RE: [biofuel] What vehicle are you running on biodiesel?

2003-10-30 Thread Franklin B. Del Rosario
Hi Doug My motorcycle is two stroke gasoline engine Yamaha 1983 model I used biodiesel as a lube oil instead of shell 2T lube oil which I normally used. Mixed biodiesel with gasoline (1:20) replace all rubber part fuel line, carburator gasket etc. clean fuel tank, and change new spark plug. so

Re: [biofuel] glycerine distillation

2003-10-30 Thread Ken Provost
on 10/30/03 5:36 PM, Appal Energy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And even when all things are said and done? The cost of testing and insuring (liability) that the recovered product is food or cosmetic grade is one of the higher costs in the entire process. Tech grade is a much less involved