Re: [biofuel] From Jen in Honolulu

2004-04-27 Thread WILLIAM SCHMITT
I'm from Utah and very interested in living aboard, my wife however is not sure. Would love to have any feedback if you get the chance. Landbound sailor at heart. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [biofuel] 78 mercedes 300d

2004-04-27 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
I'd suggest you get a turbodiesel if you are getting a 300D. And also, try to find one that has not been redone in any way. There are plenty of very nice rust free Florida, California, and BC rust free examples, it is worth the trip to get a good one. If you cannot afford the turbodiesel,

Re: [biofuel] Re: Fortune 500 WVO ?? - Keith

2004-04-27 Thread Kevin Shea
Hi Biobenz, Just wondering if you got my email? If not, Here it is... Saw your post regarding the Sean Park's Stand Pipe design. I too was going with this design, but decided against it. 1st reason if those bung NPT caps loosen, you just lost your batch and you have a big mess to clean!. I

Re: [biofuel] Big and Bad: How The SUV ran over automotive safety

2004-04-27 Thread Lillie Bennett
I do see many more very large Toyota (Land Cruiser Sequoia) and the new Nissan's Armada; boy does that name spell out the problem! Commercial traffic of all types and sizes is huge but the largest number are the smaller sedans. Many of what's being called SUV are the mini-Ute's and repackaged

Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Re: Cellulose-Alcohol story.

2004-04-27 Thread Appal Energy
Hellow Art, Rather than raining on anyone's parade, how about sharing the source of what you read. Ethanol is one dickens of a burgeoning industry. Either it has some economical and/or environmental merit or it's the biggest scam since organized religion. Wouldn't hurt to let an audience

Re: [biofuel] 78 mercedes 300d

2004-04-27 Thread mark manchester
Hi Pierre We have a 1979 300D which runs beautifully. On a trip this summer around Georgian Bay, best mileage was 660 miles on a tankful of B20. Gawd knows how that translates, but city driving isn't nearly as good, and winter is worse any way you look at it (though that's hardly a surprise

Re: [biofuel] OT: auto safety tips

2004-04-27 Thread bearbvd
At 3:15 AM 4/27/04, Keith Addison wrote: Oh-ho, here we go - guns and abortions, LOL! Here's some more polarisation for you Robert, not that you wanted it. Now I guess the rest of us get to sit back and gaze in wonder at the American dysfunction in action. Greg, those one million women who just

[biofuel] Re: OT: auto safety tips

2004-04-27 Thread Brian
Greg, In responding to your initial post, I was not aware that you were referring to abortion. I thought that you were talking of people killed by medical negligence or malpractice. As for the e-mail that you sent: IF you are going to comment in a negative manner on their feelings on the

Re: [biofuel] Re: OT: Worldwide Publicly Traded Sustainable Technology or Conservation Investments

2004-04-27 Thread murdoch
Have been catching bits and pieces of solar news here in Arizona. The 2nd largest PV installation in the world is in Springerville (3 or 4 MW I think the largest is in Italy) and I did see an interesting news release about a planned thermal solar project somewhere around here. Not the

Re: [biofuel] Re: oil from algae...

2004-04-27 Thread wwschnabel
I asked a while ago if anyone had any info on Oil from algae. What I would like to do is an experiment. Does anyone have any info on how exactly to extract the oil from algae? Could I do it in a home lab? Thanks, Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Class Tour... coming Re: biodiesel class

2004-04-27 Thread rico suavae
Hey Brian! Actually i'm in nw ind.in Whiting,right on the lake.Whereabouts are you? Paul Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do end up doing anything in the Chicago area, please let the list know as

[biofuel] Re: OT: auto safety tips

2004-04-27 Thread f150_351m
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To what you're written I would add some mention of public transportation, which in the end I'm guessing is dramatically safer per passenger-mile traveled, in addition perhaps to having some different uses of fuel per

Re: [biofuel] OT: auto safety tips

2004-04-27 Thread rico suavae
If I may humbly add my two cents. During the Viet Nam war many comparisons were made to the carnage on the roads and the death toll of the war.I too am with out substantiated facts but my dim bulb memory tells me that at the time the rates were comparable. I suppose one could call their

Re: [biofuel] OT: House of Bush, House of Saud book report

2004-04-27 Thread robert luis rabello
Hakan Falk wrote: Robert, It was very interesting to read your thorough analysis, they are very good. It will be difficult to get the Iraqi oil on line, as long as the occupation continues and I think that Bush understand that and that is why he pushes the June deadline. He

[biofuel] Heating tank to boil water/fatty acids to WVO before processing 10 gal batches

2004-04-27 Thread Kevin Shea
Hello, I've looked at all sorts of designs to base my processor on, but don't see too much emphasis on processor equipment designed to boiling WVO as the 1st step (to rid of water and to breakdown crystallized fatty acids) to prepare WVO to the next stage. (This would be filtered, titration

Re: [biofuel] OT: House of Bush, House of Saud book report

2004-04-27 Thread Art Krenzel
Robert, I would like to pass on something I learned in the last war the US began to prevent communism from taking over and to establish Democracy in a third world nation (and we lost that one rather badly). I served honorably in the Vietnam War and this was my combat lesson in a sentence.

Re: [biofuel] Cellulose-Alcohol story.

2004-04-27 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Art The list is set to reject attachments, as well as html or coded messages (ASCII - plain text only) as an essential anti-virus measure. If you send me the attachment direct I can put it where folk can see it, either at Journey to Forever or in the list Files area (which is not very

[biofuel] Re: oil from algae...

2004-04-27 Thread Marc Orion Cardoso
- Hi, go to ecogenics for info on oil from algae. www dabney.com/ecogenics/ we work with algae extensively.. Marc -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, wwschnabel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I asked a while ago if anyone had any info on Oil from algae. What I would like to do is an experiment.

Re: [biofuel] OT: House of Bush, House of Saud book report

2004-04-27 Thread jtcava
Too bad we haven't learned this lesson yet.Let's keep an eye on the situation developing in our country with the disparity between what government wants and what We the People want.Nuff said. Regards, John Art Krenzel wrote: snip TECHNOLOGY CANNOT BEAT IDEOLOGY! When people are willing to

[biofuel] Re: OT: House of Bush, House of Saud book report

2004-04-27 Thread Brian
I had read a fantastic short story relating to just this issue about 20 years ago. I thought it was by Steinbeck, but have been unable to ever find it again. It was about residents in a northern European town occupied by the nazis, and their underground resistance. The point to the story

[biofuel] Biodiesel Class Tour... coming Re: biodiesel class

2004-04-27 Thread Brian
Hey Paul. Central Indiana, a little north of Indy. I grew up just a little ways across the IL border from you, in Homewood. It's good to see fellow midwesterners here. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Brian! Actually i'm in nw ind.in

Re: [biofuel] Big and Bad: How The SUV ran over automotive safety

2004-04-27 Thread desertstallion
Lillie, I think you are talking about commuter traffic. Most commuters have the good sense to leave the behemouth at home while they drive something more compact to work. Besides the fuel issues it is much easier to park a smaller car in the city. I know at times people critize families for

[biofuel] Re: OT: House of Bush, House of Saud book report

2004-04-27 Thread Keith Addison
I had read a fantastic short story relating to just this issue about 20 years ago. I thought it was by Steinbeck, but have been unable to ever find it again. It was about residents in a northern European town occupied by the nazis, and their underground resistance. The point to the story was

Re: [biofuel] OT: House of Bush, House of Saud book report

2004-04-27 Thread Hakan Falk
Robert, Although we seems to agree, I have some comments that I inserted below. At 06:11 27/04/2004, you wrote: Hakan Falk wrote: Robert, It was very interesting to read your thorough analysis, they are very good. It will be difficult to get the Iraqi oil on line, as long as

Re: [biofuel] OT: House of Bush, House of Saud book report

2004-04-27 Thread Keith Addison
Robert, I would like to pass on something I learned in the last war the US began to prevent communism from taking over and to establish Democracy in a third world nation (and we lost that one rather badly). I served honorably in the Vietnam War and this was my combat lesson in a sentence.

[biofuel] Kevin Shea

2004-04-27 Thread tazmaniantoo
Mr Shea, I saw your message and I also was wondering about a seperate processor for incoming raw if you will, wvo. I came up with a poly drum that I had with two 4500 watt water heater elements. If you go with a thermostate, you won't get them hot enough, least mine didn't, so I went w/o

Re: [biofuel] Re: OT: House of Bush, House of Saud book report

2004-04-27 Thread Art Krenzel
Keith, Your resourcefulness is fantastic! To have found the perfect story to make my point puts you at the top of my list. Thank you for the input from THE AGONY OF OCCUPATION! Art Krenzel - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [biofuel] Ecuador

2004-04-27 Thread Dennis Ortiz
Marcelo: I would be interested in your joint plant. I am an investor who also deals with environmental projects. Do you have a business plan? I also am the chair of a non-profit that creates access to technology for disadvantaged youth and adults. We will be working with the Mexican

[biofuel] Re: OT: House of Bush, House of Saud book report

2004-04-27 Thread Brian
Thank you. One of my favorite things about the book was Steinbeck's descriptions of the town mayor, who was a simple man who seemed very complex, and town doctor, who was a complex man who seemed very simple. I don't remember the exact quotes from the book any longer, but that's the gist

[biofuel] Re: Big and Bad: How The SUV ran over automotive safety

2004-04-27 Thread Brian
Derek, Thanks for sharing your view. I couldn't agree more with the concept of having different vehicles for different purposes. I don't have need for a truck often enough to own one, but once or twice a year have enough need to rent one. That works for me. I am finding that my TDI

Re: [biofuel] OT: auto safety tips

2004-04-27 Thread robert luis rabello
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, BTW--was the similarity between the statement made by a person here earlier to the effect of : 'I despise Israel, but I worship with a number of Jews!' and a statement to the effect of 'I despise the gangsta rap/ebonics culture, but some my best friends are

Re: [biofuel] Cellulose-Alcohol story.

2004-04-27 Thread Art Krenzel
Keith, My data was the 1998 report by Prof. David Pimentel which has been lamblasted by the renewable energy folks. I think it is more of the correct story than saying that, using selected data, the ENERGY BALANCE tips in the favor of ethanol. If the tractor is used in the production of the

Re: [biofuel] Re: OT: auto safety tips

2004-04-27 Thread murdoch
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:56:35 -, you wrote: --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To what you're written I would add some mention of public transportation, which in the end I'm guessing is dramatically safer per passenger-mile traveled, in addition perhaps to

Re: [biofuel] Kevin Shea

2004-04-27 Thread Art Krenzel
Jimbull, Operating a poly drum filled with hot oil at 225 deg F sounds like an accident waiting to happen. Just stop and think for awhile what your response will be when the side of the drum tears and dumps (I assume) 55 gallons of hot oil around your work area. Why not use a metal drum

[biofuel] Re: OT: auto safety tips

2004-04-27 Thread Michael
In case you hadn't noticed, I have not commented on my thoughts on abortion. I agree that it is not a subject relevant to this board. While I find political discussion related to energy concerns to be quite appropriate to this board (just my opinion, others are, of course, free to disagree), I

Re: [biofuel] Kevin Shea

2004-04-27 Thread Kevin Shea
Mr Shea, I saw your message and I also was wondering about a seperate processor for incoming raw if you will, wvo. I came up with a poly drum that I had with two 4500 watt water heater elements. If you go with a thermostate, you won't get them hot enough, least mine didn't, so I went

Re: [biofuel] OT: Worldwide Publicly Traded Sustainable Technology or Conservation Investments

2004-04-27 Thread murdoch
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:00:13 -0700, you wrote: Does anyone here have any ideas for investments in stocks (anywhere in the world... does *not* have to be North America) that have a good sustainable technology or energy technology or conservation angle? In the course of my research, ran across

RE: More flies with honey than vinegar (Was: RE: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator)

2004-04-27 Thread Bryan Brah
Ernest, it's pretty clear why Todd is missing the point. It's amusing and kinda' sad though. I remember a rant directed at me because I said that voting in federal elections was a waste of time and that change is only possible through local action. Now, he's at it again. I guess his solution

[biofuel] Re: Big and Bad: How The SUV ran over automotive safety

2004-04-27 Thread f150_351m
Someone suggested that people use different vehicles for different tasks. Sure. I don't drive the beater pickup truck every day but it sure is nice to have when I want to get mulch for the garden or need to get to work in 6 of snow. Small bits fall off if I slam the door too hard, but it

Re: [biofuel] Re: OT: House of Bush, House of Saud book report

2004-04-27 Thread bob allen
The Moon is down, by John Steinbeck Brian wrote: I had read a fantastic short story relating to just this issue about 20 years ago. I thought it was by Steinbeck, but have been unable to ever find it again. It was about residents in a northern European town occupied by the nazis, and

Re: [biofuel] Re: Big and Bad: How The SUV ran over automotive safety

2004-04-27 Thread desertstallion
Hi Brian, The TDIs in our experience are a pleasure to drive. We wanted the Golf as we felt it would be the most practical for a college bound youngster to carry stuff here and there. They didn't have one available and showed us the Jetta. We were impressed with the size of the truck,

Re: [biofuel] OT: Worldwide Publicly Traded Sustainable Technology or Conservation Investments

2004-04-27 Thread desertstallion
Hi, How about EHN - Energia Hidroelectrica de Navarra http://www.ehn.es/eng/index0.html A leading group in renewables -- Wind Power, Small Hydro, Biomass, Solar, and Bioclimatic Architecture I have no idea how one would invest in the company, perhaps through the Spanish stock market. Derek

[biofuel] Preprocessing WVO via centrifuge?

2004-04-27 Thread Robert Del Bueno
In the ongoing quest of finding a better way to preprocess/filter WVO, I am wondering if anyone out there has done anything using centrifuges? Gravity settling works very well, but of course, takes time. A centrifuge seems like a great way to spin out not only particulate contaminates, but

[biofuel] Re: Big and Bad: How The SUV ran over automotive safety

2004-04-27 Thread Brian
I've had my TDI for two winters now, the first of which I didn't have a garage. Never a problem starting with straight dino diesel. Indiana winters can get fairly chilly, with last winter being one of the worst recently for cold temperatures. I'm hoping that by the time winter comes again

[biofuel] (unknown)

2004-04-27 Thread tazmaniantoo
Art, I have used these poly tanks for about thew last ten years or better boiling water to cook oats for our race horses. Now that was to the temp that the water is boiling. Not one time has the barrel split, broke, spilt or what everthe threaded bulkhead fitting is covered in about a

Re: [biofuel] Kevin Shea

2004-04-27 Thread Appal Energy
MeOH boils at 148.1*F. Last thing you're going to want is an accident similar to Yellow Biodiesel due to alcohol fumes flashing. The only time you'll need a temp higher than 120*-130* F is if you are recovering the alcohol with an evaporator/condensor. Todd Swearingen - Original Message

[biofuel] inicio

2004-04-27 Thread MAURICIO SCHNEEBELI
Mi nombre es Mauricio Schneebeli estoy por graduarme en la carrera de ingeniería mecánica y me interesa estudiar el uso de la biomasa para generación de energía, y la generación de biodisel. Me interesa que me acesoren en la busqueda bibliográfica en www. Muchas gracias.

[biofuel] Re: Fortune 500 WVO ?? - Keith

2004-04-27 Thread Keith Addison
Thanks for the encouragement. This is just your run-o-the-mill out in the back in a 45 gal drum Chinese restaurant WVO. Is using the 70% isopropyl OK? I think so, I've never tried it, but I think it was Todd who told you it's okay and I'm sure Todd wouldn't say that unless he has tried it. If

Re: [biofuel] Re: OT: House of Bush, House of Saud book report

2004-04-27 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Art Keith, Your resourcefulness is fantastic! To have found the perfect story to make my point puts you at the top of my list. Thank you for the input from THE AGONY OF OCCUPATION! :-) You're more'n welcome Art, and thankyou, but I can't take any credit for it. It's floating around at

Re: [biofuel] Cellulose-Alcohol story.

2004-04-27 Thread Keith Addison
Hi again Art Keith, My data was the 1998 report by Prof. David Pimentel which has been lamblasted by the renewable energy folks. I think it is more of the correct story than saying that, using selected data, the ENERGY BALANCE tips in the favor of ethanol. If the tractor is used in the

Re: [biofuel] Kevin Shea

2004-04-27 Thread Keith Addison
Hello jimbull Mr Shea, I saw your message and I also was wondering about a seperate processor for incoming raw if you will, wvo. I came up with a poly drum that I had with two 4500 watt water heater elements. A lot of people don't like the combination of poly drums and heating elements, and

Re: [biofuel] Heating tank to boil water/fatty acids to WVO before processing 10 gal batches

2004-04-27 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Kevin Hello, I've looked at all sorts of designs to base my processor on, but don't see too much emphasis on processor equipment designed to boiling WVO as the 1st step (to rid of water and to breakdown crystallized fatty acids) to prepare WVO to the next stage. (This would be

[biofuel] Re: OT: House of Bush, House of Saud book report

2004-04-27 Thread pivincent
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm reluctant to fiddle with the admirable brevity of your four- word upsumming Art, but the word ideology can cause some confusion. Whatever their political ideology might be, occupied peoples fighting back share

Re: [biofuel] (unknown)

2004-04-27 Thread Art Krenzel
Jim, Polypropylene is rated to a working temperature of 180 degrees F. Polyethylene, which is used in most drums today, is rated at 125 degrees F. It appears you may be operating just over the manufacturers working temperature and surviving. I thought you had a polyethylene drum which is

Re: [biofuel] Re: Big and Bad: How The SUV ran over automotive safety

2004-04-27 Thread desertstallion
Hi, Just to add to your paranoia, I just read an article about the recent terrorist attempt in Jordan that was foiled, and the intent was to use H2SO4 as either an explosive intensifier, or to produce a toxic cloud. I'm sure all suppliers and all purchasers will now be getting extra

[biofuel] Re: 78 mercedes 300d

2004-04-27 Thread pivincent
Jesse, Ed, John James, Thanks for your advice on the mercedes. Sometimes I can't get over all of the help available from this group, the free advice etc. I am very impressed. I hope I will be able to return at least some of it one day. Pierre --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Neoteric

Re: [biofuel] Preprocessing WVO via centrifuge?

2004-04-27 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
On Tuesday, April 27, 2004, at 10:46 AM, Robert Del Bueno wrote: In the ongoing quest of finding a better way to preprocess/filter WVO, I am wondering if anyone out there has done anything using centrifuges? Gravity settling works very well, but of course, takes time. A centrifuge seems

Re: [biofuel] Re: oil from algae...

2004-04-27 Thread Pieter Koole
I am interested as well. Met vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands. The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator

[biofuel] Re: Preprocessing WVO via centrifuge?

2004-04-27 Thread pivincent
What volumes are we talking about? You could try a hydrocyclone: http://www.krebs.com/ An emulsion is injected tangentially near the fat end of a slender tapered tube. The lighter fraction is separated from the heavier as the emulsion spins down the hydrocyclone's length. The heavier

[biofuel] Energy Policy: Supreme Court Hears Cheney Secrecy Case

2004-04-27 Thread murdoch
less are publicly debated or kicked-around or discussed. Not that those words are the only relevant topics in Energy Policy Discussion, but they are specific words which are conspicuously avoided. Now, why is that? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=558ncid=718e=1u=/ap/20040427

RE: [biofuel] FW: Co-opet conference on energy issues in transport, Brussels, 25-26 May 2004

2004-04-27 Thread Darren Hill
Klaus Elsbett is speaking on the use of pure plant oils in vehicles at the Sunday workshop (he shares an hour and a quarter slot with two others) Price 121 Euros for the Sunday workshop. Saturdays free. Best Darren -Original Message- From: Pelkmans Luc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[biofuel] Re: OT: House of Bush, House of Saud book report

2004-04-27 Thread Keith Addison
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm reluctant to fiddle with the admirable brevity of your four- word upsumming Art, but the word ideology can cause some confusion. Whatever their political ideology might be, occupied peoples fighting back share

[biofuel] High-Speed Chase

2004-04-27 Thread Keith Addison
http://tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/10229 High-Speed Chase Helen Gonzales is the policy director of USAction's Corporate Truth Squad. USAction is a progressive activist organization, dedicated to winning social, racial and economic justice for all. It represents three million members in 34

Re: [biofuel] Energy Policy: Supreme Court Hears Cheney Secrecy Case

2004-04-27 Thread Keith Addison
avoided. Now, why is that? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=558ncid=718e=1u=/a p/20040427/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_cheney By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - The Constitution gives presidents and vice presidents power to gather advice and make decisions without being

Re: [biofuel] inicio

2004-04-27 Thread Keith Addison
Mi nombre es Mauricio Schneebeli estoy por graduarme en la carrera de ingeniería mecánica y me interesa estudiar el uso de la biomasa para generación de energía, y la generación de biodisel. Me interesa que me acesoren en la busqueda bibliográfica en www. Muchas gracias.

[biofuel] Trying to contact Dennis Ortiz

2004-04-27 Thread Jose Luis Hernandez Quisbert
To Dennis Ortiz: I am a Bolivian University Mechanical Engineering teacher with many projects for the rural and low income urban people involving alternative energies. I would like to get your e mail to share my projects and the possibility to do something together. Jose Luis Hern‡ndez

Re: [biofuel] Energy Policy: Supreme Court Hears Cheney Secrecy Case

2004-04-27 Thread murdoch
words which are conspicuously avoided. Now, why is that? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=558ncid=718e=1u=/a p/20040427/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_cheney By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - The Constitution gives presidents and vice presidents power to gather advice

Re: [biofuel] High-Speed Chase

2004-04-27 Thread Martin Klingensmith
Keith Addison wrote: http://tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/10229 High-Speed Chase Helen Gonzales is the policy director of USAction's Corporate Truth Squad. USAction is a progressive activist organization, dedicated to winning social, racial and economic justice for all. It represents

Re: [biofuel] Trying to contact Dennis Ortiz

2004-04-27 Thread pan ruti
Very glad to get the kind letter and our group ,with 12 young students , who are all interested to work for rural developments tecnology.Surley our group want to have close relation with you . My other e mail is [EMAIL PROTECTED] AND [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can always reach