Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Samuel Welcome - sympathies, and strength to yer arm! I don't doubt your blood is red, but I don't think you're semi-literate. One other thing... Dogs sure aren't monkeys, but hyenas aren't dogs either, they're more closely related to bears. Never mind, they'll be laughing anyway (it's

Re: [Biofuel] Knowledge Of Nitrogen Transfer Between Plants And Beneficial Fungi Expands

2005-06-24 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/06/050619193216.htm Sheesh! Talk about reinventing the wheel! And STILL seeing it in terms of mere nutrients. Which do you think would do you more good - swallowing a few pills containing nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium, or eating a healthy

[Biofuel] Bards of the Powerful

2005-06-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Chris much the same as the justifications given for the massive bush tax breaks to the wealthy and the corporations. Would tax cuts for the poor have been better for the economy, and why? Or do you not agree with having cut taxes then period? I'm not disagreeing with you at all, i'd

[Biofuel] Nuclear Warrior Replaces John Bolton as Arms Control Chief

2005-06-24 Thread Keith Addison
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/analysis/2005/0506joseph1.php Right Web | Analysis | Robert Joseph-The Counterproliferationist: Robert Joseph-The Counterproliferationist Nuclear Warrior Replaces John Bolton as Arms Control Chief By Tom Barry | June 13, 2005 The top U.S. government official in

Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel

2005-06-24 Thread Lyn Gerry
Hi Mike and All, I just had my 1999 Jetta TDI converted, and so far, I'm really pleased. I live in central New York State and the conversion was done by Lucas MacDonald at Vegpower http://www.vegpower.com/ They can do the work or you can buy components from them. Lucas is also an

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Hakan Falk
Rich, I think that you put the finger on the reasons why there are a large mistrust in America by saying who wants to play with a cheating bully. Only to complete what you are saying, the US government actively facilitate and support the behavior of their corporations. It is no surprise, if

Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Hakan, Friday, 24 June, 2005, 05:41:29, you wrote: Some thoughts below prompted by this mail and the ones leading up to it but directed generally not at anyone specifically. HF Rich, HF I think that you put the finger on the reasons why there are a large HF mistrust in America by saying

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Michael Redler
Hakan and Rich (among others): You've made some meaningful contributions to this thread -- which is what I would expect from this group. Well done. There are a couple of people that I would have expected toweigh in on this -- like Todd (Appal Energy)and Robert (robert luis rabello). However,

Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Michael Redler
Hi Gustl, "Capitalism and Communism, sworn enemies, are now not only in bed together..." This could really openPandora's box and start a whole new thread on it's own. Capitalism (IMO) is a kind of social-economic Darwinism which depends on a percentage of the population to be poor and

[Biofuel] Cheating bully

2005-06-24 Thread r
Yet, I think there is still hope. Microsoft, one of the world's biggest bullies, is facing its biggest battle from the community: Linux. I have been tracking Linux for a while now, and countries around the world are finally standing up to the Microsoft bully. It is nice to finally see

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread r
There should be a middle ground somewhere. I think one of the reasons communism failed was because it failed to take into people's motivations. Some people are happy just scraping by but some other people are more ambitious, they want more, sometimes a lot more. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Chris Lloyd
feu·dal·ism : the system of political organization prevailing in Europe from the 9th to about the 15th centuries having as its basis the relation of lord to vassal with all land held in fee and as chief characteristics homage, the service of tenants under arms and in court, wardship, and

Re: [Biofuel] Cheating bully

2005-06-24 Thread Michael Redler
Since you've been tracking Linux activity, I'm sure you know China's commitment to Linux over MSas it's preferred OS. I don't remember the details but, I do know that's a lot of freakin' computers! I'd like to know if you have more info on that. FYI: I'm trying to resurrect some old computers

RE: [Biofuel] Cheating bully

2005-06-24 Thread Chris Lloyd
Yet, I think there is still hope. Microsoft, one of the world's biggest bullies, is facing its biggest battle from the community: Linux. I have been tracking Linux for a while now, and countries around the world are finally standing up to the Microsoft bully. It is nice to finally see

Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel

2005-06-24 Thread John Hayes
Just FYI, there is a major debate on SVO use raging at TDIclub.com right now. It's actually spilled over into 3 different threads in the biodiesel section of the forums(sic). jh Lyn Gerry wrote: Hi Mike and All, I just had my 1999 Jetta TDI converted, and so far, I'm really pleased. I live

MS/unix was Re: [Biofuel] Cheating bully

2005-06-24 Thread John Hayes
Is that why OSX is the largest unix platform on the market today? Just to be clear, I think linux and OSX both have a important place in today's OS market and I don't mean to pit OSX and linux against each other. That having been said, I don't think you can realistically discuss the pending

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread John Hayes
Yes, but in the 15th century, those dues got you what passed for national defense and maybe some roads? Today my taxes cover national defense, roads, trains and airports, educational services, the court system and social services. They also provide money to fund scientific research, space

Re: [Biofuel] Brazil's ethanol effort

2005-06-24 Thread John Hayes
Can't speak to consumer use, but yes, at least in racing, that is exactly why E85 is used. Putting out a pit fire, or worse a flaming crew member, when you can't see the flame is a rather difficult task. Also, I suspect it makes taxation and permitting issues much much easier ATF-wise, as 15%

[Biofuel] Questions

2005-06-24 Thread Carlos David Monsalve
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[Biofuel] Star Wars failure

2005-06-24 Thread r
I saw a fascinating presentation on C-SPAN by Representative Roscoe Bartlett on the effects of ElectroMagnetic Pulse attack on the american economy. The detonation of a nuclear missile high in the american atmosphere has the serious possibility to disrupt our society for years to come. Check

Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Mike, Gustl Hi Gustl, Capitalism and Communism, sworn enemies, are now not only in bed together... This could really open Pandora's box and start a whole new thread on it's own. Capitalism (IMO) is a kind of social-economic Darwinism which depends on a percentage of the population

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread capt3d
In a message dated 6/24/05 1:23:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it's usually the hyenas that did the killing, then the lions come along and chase them away and steal the product. Remind you of anything? lol, yes. as does the fact that the hyenas, when they have a mind to, will gang up on

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread -------
Bears!? I should have known that, but liked the sentence too much to think. Of scavengers and hunters the headlines abound, despite the efforts to pin smiley faces to the heads of vultures. What has always mystified me about the parade of the right wing is how blind they are to the

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Brian
I'm not sure where to put this, but for those in the US it seems that an important story is being missed. Thought I would bring it here to see if anyone had any ideas of how to call more attention to the implications. Since fascism was mentioned in this thread, thought I'd just go ahead and

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Brian
Fund scientific research? I have to disagree with that one. Before leaving academics a few months ago, I had an excellent first hand experience of how taxes fund research. I went to the annual meeting for the NIDA (National Institute on Drug Abuse) Clinical Trials Network. After a lot of

Re: [Biofuel] Brazil's ethanol effort

2005-06-24 Thread capt3d
i guess you could use an e100-powered generator to work the engine/fuel heater. (sorry, couldn't resist the sarcasm) you're right, though, extreme conditions and/or remote locations might require a different approach. anyway, i don't think anyone was suggesting that we abolish all

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread capt3d
wow, sam, that was well said. some on this board write with such skill, it's quite humbling. i don't understand the goat reference though. . . . -chris b. (yeah, chris n, the thought had crossed my mind as well) :) ___ Biofuel mailing list

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread John Hayes
Well, I'm certainly not a constitutional scholar, nor am I exceptionally familiar with the details of the case, but from what I do know, your depiction isn't entirely accurate. In fact, NPR had a story on it this morning while I was putting down mulch in the garden. New London CT, the town

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Larry Foran
Brian, I suggest you write your U.S. Senator/Congressperson and express your View. Also Contact your State reps and request they pass legislation which will prevent Cities/Government from using eminent domain unless it is to remove blight. This issue is getting a lot of airtime on talk radio

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread -------
Our dogs bark at airplanes, and helicopters send them into apoplexy (we live under the flight path to the SFBay Area) and it is a constant source of irritation (both the aircraft and the barking). Since the goats dont bark, and have harder heads to go with a considerable amount of fearlessness

[Biofuel] Re: Los Angeles Biodieseling

2005-06-24 Thread Paul T Marucci
Looking for same in Houston, TX Thanks, Paul Message: 5 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:21:18 -0600 From: Richard Statter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Los Angeles Biodieseling To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, I

[Biofuel] re property taking supreme court

2005-06-24 Thread S Chapin
Brian, http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/23jun20051201/www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/04pdf/04-108.pdf or go to Common Dreams .org and look for US Supreme Court link (right side somewhere). See also NYT article by Linda Greenhouse. Difference between public use and public purpose?

Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Hakan Falk
Gustl, If anyones comes out clean, I think it is the Swiss. The Swedes had two periods as world bullies, the Vikings (probably ancestors to Roman legions from the part that we now know as Turkey) and during the religious wars. It is not likely that the Swedes will ever get the chance again

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hi John Yes, but in the 15th century, those dues got you what passed for national defense and maybe some roads? Today my taxes cover national defense, roads, trains and airports, educational services, the court system and social services. They also provide money to fund scientific research,

Re: [Biofuel] Questions

2005-06-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Carlos HI, I have a problem i did the biodiesel process but the biodiesel tents to solidified very fast with a white bonne color, what can i do to solve this thank you. I'm sorry you're having problems. But you haven't given any information, the only possible comment is that you did

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Larry Foran
John, I am not a consitutional scholar either, but from what I have read and heard, the neigborhood was not blighted, yes New London has a high unenployment rate, but taking one persons private property and giving it to another (corporation) simply because the corporation can generate more Taxes

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread John Hayes
But Larry, that's not my reading of the situation here. The land was taken by the city for a greater redevelopment effort of which Pfizer was a just one part. It's not as if the city took Susette Kelo's house and just gave it to Pfizer which is how many seem, or want, to see it. In fact,

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread John Hayes
Hi Keith. Sorry if my attempted rhetorical device fell flat. I was just trying to make two separate points wrapped up in one little sarcastic package; first, that we actually do get something worthwhile for our taxes and second, that snarky comparisons to feudel crops tariffs aren't really

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Dpmaltas
Hmm , lets hope someone dosent see your property as ripe for developement , "for the public good" , and then I'm shure you would change your attitude ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Cheating bully

2005-06-24 Thread Doug Foskey
I have been a linux user for over 5 years. I consider M$ software to be overpriced, particularly for the well known 'bugs' it contains. M$ needed a competitor to bring the company back to reality. Unfortunately any commercial competitor is either bought out, or suffers from anti-competitive

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Brian
You are correct that New London didn't claim the Ft. Trumbell neighborhood was blighted. However, it's also worth noting that it had been zoned as an industrial area since *1929* and contained a junkyard, oil tank farm and railroad yard. This wasn't some treelined Norman Rockwell-esque

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Michael Redler
"This wasn't some treelined NormanRockwell-esque suburb we're talking about here." This sounds harmless and in fact seems pretty logical. However, as soon as anyone begins introducing aesthetics into an eminent domain debate, it becomes legitimate to introduce it in all such debates. In my

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread John Hayes
This is not about class or income or about those people. It was zoned as an industrial area and had been zoned as such for over 75 years. As far as living on the wrong side of tracks, my house is on the wrong side of tracks. I also happen to live in a town with an economic redevelopment

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread John Hayes
Fair enough. My point was about the area being zoned as an industrial area, but I was trying to be colorful in my description. jh Michael Redler wrote: This wasn't some treelined Norman Rockwell-esque suburb we're talking about here. This sounds harmless and in fact seems pretty logical.

[Biofuel] Global warming c02 turned into baking soda

2005-06-24 Thread Alt.EnergyNetwork
Promising technology turns global warming c02 into baking soda Company develops process to turn CO2 into baking soda http://www.alternate-energy.net/co2_to_baking_soda05.html regards tallex http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums

Re: [Biofuel] Global warming c02 turned into baking soda

2005-06-24 Thread fhebert8
Hey good thing, maybe I can fit one of these co2 converters to my fermenters to keep the neighbors happy. From: Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/24 Fri PM 10:03:14 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Global warming c02 turned into baking soda

Re: [Biofuel] Cheating bully

2005-06-24 Thread r
A bully creates his own rules and expects others to follow them. Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:

Re: [Biofuel] Cheating bully

2005-06-24 Thread r
I think there is a tipping point somewhere. On the Internet, I saw web pages saying that it had already been reached, where it will be Microsoft who will have to do the catching up, not Linux. Microsoft will have to make its software more Linux-friendly. I read on linux.org that Microsoft

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Environmentalism is dead. What's next?

2005-06-24 Thread Brian
Sorry. No assumptions formed about you. Just a response to your comment about those affected by this decision not living in a Norman Rockwell-esque suburb. Who is it that's reading thing in here? Brian - Original Message - From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [Biofuel] Global warming c02 turned into baking soda

2005-06-24 Thread bmolloy
Hi Tallex, And as the old adage would have it, the cake is sure to rise Here t'is Regards, Bob. COMPANY DEVELOPS PROCESS TO TURN CO2 INTO BAKING SODA. by Keith Anderson June 23, 2005 Quebec city - CO2 Solutions inc. of Quebec city has developed a process to turn co2

[Biofuel] Early hybrid developer

2005-06-24 Thread MH
Early hybrid developer passes on; can we afford to let his ideas do the same? Weekly news and views from HybridCenter.org Union of Concerned Scientists 06.24.05 http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=19255 Browsing the NY Times last Sunday, I stumbled on quite a story in the