[Biofuel] Windwandler

2005-07-30 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.windwandler.de/eng/techn_specs.html der windwandler gmbH - technical specifications A bit too simple? A bit too expensive? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Moving to the land

2005-07-30 Thread Keith Addison
This might help:. Best Keith How to Find Your Ideal Country Home: A Comprehensive Guide, by Gene GeRue, 3rd edition, 1999, Warner Books, ISBN 0446674540 This is what Gene says about his book: I met too many urban refugees who made a bad move and then had to move two or three times more

[Biofuel] The Savonius Super Rotor

2005-07-30 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.motherearthnews.com/top_articles/1974_March_April/The_Savon ius_Super_Rotor The Savonius Super Rotor, by Michael Hackleman, Mother Earth News, Issue # 26 - March/April 1974 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

[Biofuel] Car giant testing novel fuel in NZ

2005-07-30 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.envirocar.co.nz/ Envirocar http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=9ObjectID=10337601 The New Zealand Herald Car giant testing novel fuel in NZ 26.07.05 South Korean carmaker SsangYong, owned by China's giant Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation, is said to be using New

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-30 Thread Brian Rodgers
I am new here, but this certainly looks like the place to be. I my opinion looking at ethanol strictly from a BTU to create over BTU available leaves out too many important variables. Even if with Ethanols numbers looking dismally uneconomical to many people who I will call naysayers the

Re: [Biofuel] The Savonius Super Rotor

2005-07-30 Thread Michael Redler
"Savonius Super Rotor" I've seen these around but, never knew what they were called. So, is it pronounced Sav-own-e-us or Sav-on-e-us? MikeKeith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.motherearthnews.com/top_articles/1974_March_April/The_Savon ius_Super_RotorThe Savonius Super Rotor, by

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-30 Thread Manick Harris
I did this in the80s as an one-time expt. Boiled sawdust in 30% H2SO4 for 3h, neutralised with lime, filtered and fermented the sugar with yeast into alcohol which was recovered by distillation. Reckon sawdust/biomass wastecan be obtained at v.low cost. Cost of H2SO4 can be offset by value of

Re: [Biofuel] The Savonius Super Rotor

2005-07-30 Thread Kirk McLoren
Article said a very effective wind energy device but I don't rember that being so http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/4/20/122735/478has some amazing claims and I am wondering if the spacing is critical as I remember some amateur prototypes realizing 3% efficiency. (Remember that amateurs usually

Re: [Biofuel] Windwandler

2005-07-30 Thread Brian Rodgers
Maybe so, but it sure is pretty. Where is the generator? Brian Keith Addison wrote: http://www.windwandler.de/eng/techn_specs.html der windwandler gmbH - technical specifications A bit too simple? A bit too expensive? ___ Biofuel mailing list

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-30 Thread Brian Rodgers
That is very cool. I have seen this process somewhere. H2SO4, that is Sulphuric Acid right? I have a friend with a small sawmill and a 2000 gallon tank sitting idle, he is going to use it for rainwater collection. I asked him if he ever fermented sawdust. He said, It composts pretty well when

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Manick, Brian I did this in the 80s as an one-time expt. Boiled sawdust in 30% H2SO4 for 3h, neutralised with lime, filtered and fermented the sugar with yeast into alcohol which was recovered by distillation. Reckon sawdust/biomass waste can be obtained at v.low cost. Cost of H2SO4

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-30 Thread Keith Addison
Also this: Ethanol from cellulose http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html#cellulose Wood-Ethanol Report: Technology Review, Environment Canada 1999 -- good overview of the problem and the current solutions on offer. Go to the Biofuels Library. Fuel From Sawdust -- by Mike Brown (from

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-30 Thread RobertCVA
What kind of "residue" is left from wood or these other alternative inputs to the ethanol production process. Anything of value, like seedcake from biodiesel production? Anything harmful? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] The Savonius Super Rotor

2005-07-30 Thread Hakan Falk
Kirk, Whenever you get in a discussion with the wind turbine people, you will hit this discussion about Wind, Horisontal propellers give around 35-45% efficiency and Vertical around 15-30%. The Vertical is less sensitive to turbulence and safe siting, than the Horisontal and will have some

[Biofuel] Cloudy oil

2005-07-30 Thread Brent S
I just washed another batch. I did a shake test and the water sepparated within minutes. The water was clear, but the oil remains cloudy. My last batch cleared almost imediately after heating the washed product. Any ideas? Brent P.S. What are the symptoms of too much and too little lye?

Re: [Biofuel] Windwandler

2005-07-30 Thread Gregory Petit
Hi Keith, this one looks even better and it works even in extreme hot/cold conditions: http://www.windside.com/ Best regards, Gregory - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: zaterdag, juli 30, 2005 02:34 PM Aan: biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy

2005-07-30 Thread marilyn
There is also an excellent documentary film out called The Corporation that explains the history of their rise to power. This is its web site. http://www.thecorporation.com/ Marilyn Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: Fwd from Lion Kuntz at Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group

Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy

2005-07-30 Thread AntiFossil
Thanks for both of these. Sure helps to fight off that powerless feeling. Anyone out there have it all figured out yet? How do we eliminate the all powerful, destructive, and untouchable attributes of corporations, while not destroying the lives of the good people who make up their work forces?

Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy

2005-07-30 Thread RobertCVA
In a message dated 7/30/2005 2:11:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How do we eliminate the all powerful, destructive, and "untouchable" attributes of corporations, while not destroying the lives of the good people who make up their work forces? I think the

Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy

2005-07-30 Thread marilyn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] asked: Anyone out there have it all figured out yet? How do we eliminate the all powerful, destructive, and untouchable attributes of corporations, while not destroying the lives of the good people who make up their work forces? (In 100 words or less please) We can’t beat

Re: [Biofuel] Windwandler

2005-07-30 Thread capt3d
sure is pretty, but the pricing info didn't load for me. -chris-Original Message-From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:34:51 +0900Subject: [Biofuel] Windwandler http://www.windwandler.de/eng/techn_specs.htmlder windwandler gmbH -

Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy

2005-07-30 Thread RobertCVA
Any skeptics out there? for more, if you can stomach it, go to altria.com

Re: [Biofuel] Windwandler

2005-07-30 Thread r
What is the pricing for the Windside turbines, in US dollars? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sure is pretty, but the pricing info didn't load for me. -chris -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sat, 30 Jul 2005

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Robert What kind of residue is left from wood or these other alternative inputs to the ethanol production process.Anything of value, like seedcake from biodiesel production? Anything harmful? I suggest you read the Wood-Ethanol Report, in the links I posted before, here:

Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy

2005-07-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Marilyn, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked: Anyone out there have it all figured out yet? How do we eliminate the all powerful, destructive, and untouchable attributes of corporations, while not destroying the lives of the good people who make up their work forces? (In 100 words or less please)

Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy

2005-07-30 Thread r
I think you have the idea. One way to change this situation, short of an old-fashioned bloody revolution is to get around their institutions, making them irrelevant, obsolete and in this perspective, the Great Equalizer Internet can help us reach that goal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy

2005-07-30 Thread capt3d
good one robert.the waythe'family' metaphor is used so much in business, is so low. ifgetting rid of thebeast is not an option, thenone obvius path is to regulate corporate governance. put limits on the reward structure. putsome of the old barriers back up that separatedcertain sectors. do a

Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy

2005-07-30 Thread capt3d
good one robert.the waythe'family' metaphor is used so much in business, is so low. ifgetting rid of thebeast is not an option, thenone obvius path is to regulate corporate governance. put limits on the reward structure. putsome of the old barriers back up that separatedcertain sectors. do a

Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy

2005-07-30 Thread Doug Younker
Oh- that's whose behind those TV ads that are somehow to justify the selling of that addictive drug called nicotine. The reason Mr. Camilleri is smiling, he is assured that no one will call him out, in a meaningful way. Doug - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy

2005-07-30 Thread mark manchester
Thanks Keith, as always, the helpful one. This is enormously encouraging to everyone who is having a Bad Day. Jesse From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are so many such projects all over the world, taking so many different approaches and forms. Journey to Forever is one such

Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy

2005-07-30 Thread AntiFossil
Opsforgot to add the LOL behind that! The way it reads in my original post it looks more like an order and I'm certainly NOT someone given to handing out orders. Hope none were offended, it was meant sarcastically. I knew that, with this topic, the likelihood of a thorough answer being

Re: [Biofuel] Pressure release

2005-07-30 Thread Ian Theresa Sims
Hi Todd I thought this might be the case , seeing reactors made with silicon seals and clamped lids is going to be a recipe for pressure build up once heat is applied. Last thing you want is a jet of methanol escaping from around the mixer shaft. I am still having trouble getting methanol

Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy

2005-07-30 Thread Michael Redler
Hmm... How does that jingle go? I'd like to buy the world a home and furnish it with love, Grow apple trees and honey bees, and snow white turtle doves. I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony, I'd like to buy the world a Coke and keep it company. [Repeat the last two lines,

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-30 Thread Manick Harris
I used sawdust from Malaysian hardwoods like Meranti. I think any cellulosic material will do. One report states concentrated sulphuric acid and sawdust can also be milled together ( try !:1 ratio initially) into glucose at room temperature, ie 25C. This could be attempted with 2 roll mill set

Re: [Biofuel] Pressure release

2005-07-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Ian Hi Todd I thought this might be the case , seeing reactors made with silicon seals and clamped lids is going to be a recipe for pressure build up once heat is applied. Last thing you want is a jet of methanol escaping from around the mixer shaft. I don't think so. Like many

RE: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy

2005-07-30 Thread Laura's Studio
Just for the heck of it we could use the recent Eminent Domain ruling of the S. Court and confiscate the property of corporations who take more than they contribute i.e. those whose headquarters are offshoreor those whose employees use state funded medical care because they can't afford the