[Biofuel] Composting engine?

2005-08-22 Thread Richard B
The purpose of converting to ethane is to make it usable in some kind of form. Every time this energy changes form, there is some loss so it makes sense to keep the process of converting from raw resource to usable as short as possible. Why not cut out the middle man and not convert to

Re: [Biofuel] Iodine value, polymerisation and oxidation

2005-08-22 Thread Jan Warnqvist
Marc, it is true that the trans-esterification process will partly eliminate the polymerization properties of highly unsaturated fatty acids.How did you establish the iodine number ? What kind of oil as raw material are you talking about ? But there are still some things to attend to: Highly

Re: [Biofuel] Feasibility of flow production . . .

2005-08-22 Thread Andreas W Ohnsorge
Arden, I have the same thoughts - but could not find s.o. who is applying continuous flow rectors for the production. On the other site most of the patents I have seen describe continuous floc processes. May be it is just the additional amount of high tech equipment that you have to put in and

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol

2005-08-22 Thread Hakan Falk
Derick, I think that you are mixing up the ethanol as MTBE replacement with the general biofuel discussion. To replace MTBE is an absolute necessity, since its environmental effects are devastating. E5 to E10 have total support, even from the oil companies who is trying to escape from the

Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen energy efficiencies

2005-08-22 Thread Andrew Lowe
Bob, Due to work pressure it's taken a while for me to catch up on this thread - a pity really as if I had known that commenting on a blokes lack of dress sense would have fired up a good debate, I would have been in there a lot earlier. Anyway, Bob, you need to take a long deep breath

[Biofuel] Propane Water Heating (was Lignin crop redidue breakdown)

2005-08-22 Thread Darryl McMahon
Brian, I highly recommend you investigate the construction and use of a solar water pre- heater for your hot water heating to reduce your propane consumption. We use a simple batch pre-heater from May to October (non-freezing season here) and it cuts our natural gas use almost to zero. It is

Re: [Biofuel] (Biofuel) First real post, help w/ large scale production

2005-08-22 Thread Joe Street
Warning many people who are not experienced working with HV have killed themselves poking around in a microwave oven. Also the neon transformers may be able to produce several kilovolts but the patent refers to currents of 500mA or more and voltages that range from 800V to several kV. At an

[Biofuel] Using plastic pails

2005-08-22 Thread Jeffrey Tan
Dear all, A quick queston. Is it okay to use plastic pails I find around my house to built the reactor tank, and other tanks for the biodiesel process instead of stainless steel? It is some much cheaper and easier to work with plastics. Will there be unforseen problems with this? Thanks

[Biofuel] Separation

2005-08-22 Thread DCBooth
I've done a couple batches of WVO. One 11 ltr and another 8 ltr. Both with 6.5 gramsmethoxide mix. Both batches settled completely within about 1 hour with no more settling even though I let them settle for over 12 hours. I've read that it takesabout at least 12hrs to get complete

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Economist make sense (except for Krugman)]

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi Robert and all, At what price will demand for oil fall, say in China or the U.S. ? Is there an economist out there currently making millions in the futures market that knows that answer? Does $60-$70 per barrel of oil contain the environmental cost of obtaining and utilizing that oil? It

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Economist make sense (except for Krugman)]

2005-08-22 Thread robert luis rabello
Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Robert and all, At what price will demand for oil fall, say in China or the U.S. ? Is there an economist out there currently making millions in the futures market that knows that answer? Does $60-$70 per barrel of oil contain the environmental cost of obtaining and

Re: [Biofuel] Using plastic pails

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi Jeffrey, Short term there may not bea problem. Long term (3-12 months) BioD because it is an ester will soften (dissolve) most plastics and make them unusable. Tom Irwin From: Jeffrey Tan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:06:31

Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen energy efficiencies

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Irwin
Ello Andy, It's good to know you Aussies haven't been infected with the politically correct disease. Hopefully you are all completely immune. Still smilin, Tom Irwin From: Andrew Lowe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:43:24 -0300Subject:

[Biofuel] Improving Peer Review

2005-08-22 Thread John Hayes
http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v8/n4/pdf/nn0405-397.pdf jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Economist make sense (except for Krugman)]

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi Robert, Continue to lead by example. Others will follow. Hopefully water will not become a problem for you in the future, neither too little or too much. I'm looking into the cost of a cistern. I cannot be certain which way Uruguay's climate will change. It could go to a wetter grassland

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Economist make sense (except for Krugman)]

2005-08-22 Thread Joe Street
Hi Robert et al; The guy who made the comment about nukes was me. I am in total agreement with you about the impending economic restructuring. That's a nice euphemism isn't it? What it really means though if you sit down and think about it is just as you said. Rising energy costs and the

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Economist make sense (except for Krugman)]

2005-08-22 Thread robert luis rabello
Joe Street wrote: Hi Robert et al; Rising energy costs and the secondary effects of that will force a tremendous change on our wasteful style of living. After it is all over and the new stable system has settled down things will look very different. During the transition people who

Re: [Biofuel] Using plastic pails

2005-08-22 Thread DB
If you need to do it on the cheap you can't beat 55gal steel drums.(I use two of them) Just cut the top completely off, install a valve at the bottom with parts from US plastic. They also have plastic drum covers to seal your reaction. http://www.usplastic.com - Original Message -

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Economist make sense (except for Krugman)]

2005-08-22 Thread Michael Redler
Joe, "...but as for the nuclear arsenal I think its real value is in the deterent aspect." With all due respect, you're really opening Pandora's box with that one. Our nuclear arsenal doesn't make conclusions aboutweapons being offensive or defensive. There is no sense of scale norare there

Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-08-22 Thread John I
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:20:41 -0500From: Garth Kim Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/CountryTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgMessage-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowedGreetings,If you can tell me how to educate

Re: [Biofuel] Propane Water Heating (was Lignin crop redidue breakdown)

2005-08-22 Thread Brian Rodgers
Thank you for the helpful feedback Darryl. I followed your advice and read the archived email and I am indeed intrigued with the simple solar water pre-heater. Hmm, I know I've written something more detailed - let me know if you want me to dig for it.) I need to learn how to better

[Biofuel] lye

2005-08-22 Thread d4dallas
first can I use red devil lye that is used for drain cleaner is it pure lye, it is in granular form should i grind it? also is denatured alcohol what you buy in wal-mart buy the quart ok to use for my test batches and training? ___ Biofuel mailing

[Biofuel] Biofuels in Spanish at Journey to Forever

2005-08-22 Thread Keith Addison
Greetings all The following pages are now available in Spanish - thankyou Andrés! Anyone who would like to help with the translation job, and/or might be interested in helping to run the Spanish mirror site, including the crucial job of adapting it to local conditions in the Spanish-speaking

Re: [Biofuel] Biofuels in Spanish at Journey to Forever

2005-08-22 Thread Keith Addison
Further to this, I'm also much interested in any opinions on making the information at Journey to Forever more accessible to the Portuguese-speaking countries, especially Brazil. Is it possible short of creating another full mirror site in Portuguese? I believe there are some mailing lists

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Economist make sense (except for Krugman)]

2005-08-22 Thread Joe Street
Hi Mike; I've stuck a few comments interspersed with yours below; Michael Redler wrote: Joe, "...but as for the nuclear arsenal I think its real value is in the deterent aspect." With all due respect, you're really opening Pandora's box with that one. It

Re: [Biofuel] lye

2005-08-22 Thread Joe Street
How can you be on this list and still be shopping at WALMART!!! Heaven help us. Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: first can I use red devil lye that is used for drain cleaner is it pure lye, it is in granular form should i grind it? also is denatured alcohol what you buy in wal-mart buy the quart

Re: [Biofuel] Using plastic pails

2005-08-22 Thread Bruno M.
Hi Tom, I hope and believe that your point is not ( totally ) correct, because most fuel tanks from cars are made from plastics these days. So running on bio diesel would mean that your car starts dripping within a few months. :-(( ( but you are correct those esters can soften SOME plastics )

Re: [Biofuel] Using plastic pails

2005-08-22 Thread marilyn
In the 70s, we fermented mash and distilledf ethanol in 55 gallon drums, and went to Energy Fairs sponsored by the Carter administration to teach farmers how to make their own and do the same. They worked well. Marilyn Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: If you need to do it on the cheap you

Re: [Biofuel] lye

2005-08-22 Thread Keith Addison
How can you be on this list and still be shopping at WALMART!!! Heaven help us. Joe LOL Joe! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: first can I use red devil lye Yes. that is used for drain cleaner is it pure lye, Yes - but make sure it's fresh, see the information at the Journey to Forever biodiesel

Re: [Biofuel] Separation

2005-08-22 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Dave I've done a couple batches of WVO. One 11 ltr and another 8 ltr. Both with 6.5 grams methoxide mix. Did you titrate it or did you just use 6.5 grams as some people still advise? Did you start with virgin oil first? Both batches settled completely within about 1 hour with no more

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Economist make sense (except for Krugman)]

2005-08-22 Thread Joe Street
Hi Again Robert; Since you brought up the parallels between fiction and reality one of my favorite scifi series was Dune by Frank Herbert. Many have speculated that the spice was a metaphor for petroleum and there are many interesting similarities between events in the plot and what happens

Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Economist make sense (except for Krugman)]

2005-08-22 Thread Michael Redler
J: "It has been open for 60 years and I didn't open it, we have the US government to thank for that." Thecomment opens Pandora's box for a lively discussion. Although I may havedisagreed with a couple of your posts in the past, I fall short of blaming you for the cold war. Hell,why should I

Re: [Biofuel] lye

2005-08-22 Thread Michael Redler
Wait a minute. ...using Walmart as a supplier for an energy rebellion? That's poetic!! :-) Mike Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can you be on this list and still be shopping at WALMART!!!Heaven help us.Joe[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:first can I use red devil lye that is used for drain

Re: [Biofuel] lye

2005-08-22 Thread AntiFossil
OK look, glad you found this list, but take a little extra time and find somewhere else to buy your supplies from. Save Walmart for those in utter denial. A Mom and Pop location would be nice, or check out the suppliers listed at the JourneytoForever site, or, as Keith said, work your way through

Re: [Biofuel] lye

2005-08-22 Thread Michael Redler
Although I agree with Mike K., I try not to be so serious in order to save my state of mind - even as I look for material for my new, bright blue vest that says "Organize!" on the back. Maybe, with my new attire,I'll have the nerve to shop at Walmart again someday. :-) MikeAntiFossil [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Separation

2005-08-22 Thread DCBooth
Keith Virgin oil was the first test Wvo next. 1 litre bottles. I.m in the process of stepping up now. This was the first two batched over 1 litre. Just used 6.5 grams, no titration. Washed as usual and it did come out nice. Gotta do a ph test then filter and run with it Thanks Dave -

[Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program

2005-08-22 Thread Bud Eble
"AUG 20: Oil may rise above $75 a barrel in the next three months if the dispute over Iran’s nuclear programme causes the country to cut exports, said David Thurtell, head of commodity research at Commonwealth Bank of Australia. " Read the rest at

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol

2005-08-22 Thread DERICK GIORCHINO
Hi hakan You are absolutely right I didn't mention the MTBE and probably should have. I agree that the MTBE needed to go but this hasn't been earth braking news for some time. It just took the state a long time to step up and replace it. The discussions I have seen or herd on what ever media.

[Biofuel] Large crops, less nutrients

2005-08-22 Thread marilyn
robert luis rabello wrote However, our vegetable garden is bursting with produce. We've NEVER had such an abundant harvest, and for the first time EVER, I'm growing maize that's taller than I am! (We have a sunflower that is well over 3 meters in height, too!) Robert, Have these large crops in

Re: [Biofuel] lye

2005-08-22 Thread don lyon
Joe what I was looking for was a little help on how to make this bio-diesel fuel. I haven't looked at walmart for any additives to use. I am planning on looking at our local hardware store. I will be looking at the methonol alcohol and lye. I still don't know how to test any batch made. Also the

Re: [Biofuel] Large crops, less nutrients

2005-08-22 Thread robert luis rabello
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, Have these large crops in your garden been tested for nutrients? No. They're not abnormally large, at least, I don't think so. There are sunflower plants growing in someone else's garden in Abbotsford that are at least as tall as mine.