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Published on Friday, March 24, 2006 by TomDispatch.com
My Saudi Arabian Breakfast
by Chad Heeter
Please join me for breakfast. It's time to fuel up again.
On the table in my small Berkeley apartment this particular morning
is a healthy looking
http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/33969/
A Carbon Cloud Hangs Over Green Fuel
By Mark Clayton, Christian Science Monitor. Posted March 25, 2006.
An Iowa corn refinery, open since December, uses 300 tons of coal a
day to make ethanol. So just how green can it be?
Late last year in
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/23/business/worldbusiness/23yuan.html?_
r=1oref=slogin
- New York Times
China Raises Taxes to Curb Use of Energy and Timber
By KEITH BRADSHER
Published: March 23, 2006
HONG KONG, Thursday, March 23 - The Chinese government announced
plans on Wednesday to
Interesting oil press that keeps me thinking.
Seed -oil press- oil + cake
oil -biodiesel processor- fuel(biodiesel)
cake -digester- fuel(methane) + digested cake
digested cake -vermicompost- fertilizer + protein(worm)
feed worm/cake/digested cake to chicken
how many products we have above?
http://www.alternet.org/story/33896/
Bring the Sixties Out of the Closet
By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted March 23, 2006.
We need to resurrect the good '60s -- a time when acting, despite
being messy and imperfect, made a lot of good things happen.
Photo courtesy of David Fenton, from his book
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/24/D8GI7S484.html
Wal-Mart's Organics Could Shake Up Retail
Mar 24 6:17 PM US/Eastern
By MARCUS KABEL
Associated Press Writer
BENTONVILLE, Ark.
Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is throwing its weight behind organic products,
a move that experts say could have the
I am not surprised at all, that coal is going to be a preferred
choice for ethanol distillation. It is a very logical choice for US
sustainability, but maybe not for the environment sustainability. The
reasons are,
1. US have around a third of the worlds coal reserves.
2. US is running out of
Hi Robert
Keith Addison wrote:
Anyway, I guess this is the kind of person you'd be voting against,
and you'd probably lose, yet again. This guy just applied to join the
list:
Which sounds like he doesn't vote for the Oil Party, but it turns out
he does. Before he got accepted he had a
Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/21/science/21find.html?
pagewanted==print
March 21, 2006
For Robots, Fuel Cells That Double as Muscles
By KENNETH CHANG
Ray H. Baughman, a professor of chemistry at the
University of Texas
at Dallas, has not built an android. He has not built
a brain or
From Keith Addison:
http://www.alternet.org/story/33896/
Bring the Sixties Out of the Closet
By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted March 23, 2006.
skip to quote from Hazen's article
Lately, I've been thinking a lot about the '60s (actually the
period
from '67 to '73) -- that political era so
The memo also shows that the president and the prime minister
acknowledged that no unconventional weapons had been found inside Iraq.
Faced with the possibility of not finding any before the planned
invasion, Mr. Bush talked about several ways to provoke a confrontation,
including a proposal
Ok, but you asked for it.
The one on the left is Ruby, and the big one I call Rufus. I haven't
named the rest.
Joe Street wrote:
OK email me
Mike Weaver wrote:
I personally have worms from eating red meat. If you don't believe me,
I'll send you some.
bob allen wrote:
Howdy,
Look up liver flukes for some real fun.
Or Guinea worm...this I've seen when I was in Guinea.
Joe Street wrote:
I think pork is more likely to have worms than beef. Try googling
trichinosis, flukes and roundworms if IIRC are transmitted from eating
infected animals that are not cooked
As a member of the Flying Spaghetti Monster Church,
http://www.venganza.org/ I am shocked, appalled and outraged
at [ ] and [ ]. All I can say is my God is the
one true God, and no set of tongs, pasta bowl nor meatballs will save
you when he/she/it decides
to return to
Hogwash.
USDA Organic doesn't MEAN ANYTHING.
Keith Addison wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/24/D8GI7S484.html
Wal-Mart's Organics Could Shake Up Retail
Mar 24 6:17 PM US/Eastern
By MARCUS KABEL
Associated Press Writer
BENTONVILLE, Ark.
Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is throwing its
Just one question on the environmental sustainability of these plants. How
much ethanol do they produce for your 300 tonnes of coal?
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A
That's crazy. That's like taxing SUV's, which are a lifestyle choice
and very important to my
self-image. Where would I put my golf clubs? How would I pull my boat?
I think I can confidently say the Chinese are making a huge mistake
here. The US has proven than it's
FEWER taxes that produce
It meanssomething to me. Someone with CLOUT is making a start and they are willing to help it happen rather than MANDATE it to their suppliers. Kind of unusual and long overdue in the good old USA. Roy Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hogwash.USDA Organic doesn't MEAN ANYTHING.Keith
Stop bashing Jingo. I don't care what you say, but just leave The
Beatles out of it.
Maybe he wasn't the best-looking Beatle but to say he has a very ugly
head is plain mean.
robert luis rabello wrote:
Keith Addison wrote:
Anyway, I guess this is the kind of person you'd be voting
Fwd from SANET, the Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group.
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:15:34 -0500
From: Hugh Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Terminator Rejection: A Victory for the People/Earth!
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A broad coalition of peasant farmers,
From Keith Addison:
http://www.alternet.org/story/33896/
Bring the Sixties Out of the Closet
By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted March 23, 2006.
skip to quote from Hazen's article
Lately, I've been thinking a lot about the '60s (actually the period
from '67 to '73) -- that political era so filled
What I find amazing is the use of the term organic.
Absolutely everything that you can grow is organic. A rock is not
organic.
So in reality they can grow anything and call it organic. When will
people smarten up.
On 3/27/2006, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hogwash.
USDA Organic
Damn that was going to be my line! I feel like I am being tag teamed by
the two Mikes and I can't get anything off my chest!
Signed,
Sizzle Chest
Mike Weaver wrote:
Hogwash.
USDA Organic doesn't MEAN ANYTHING.
Keith Addison wrote:
Well give ur head a shake cause "certified oganic" doesn't mean what
you probably think anymore.
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg57481.html
Joe
ROY Washbish wrote:
It meanssomething to me. Someone with CLOUT is making a start
and they are willing to help
Check out Joe Street's vacuum processor at the Biofuel cooperative.
This processor is made from a 36-liter hot water tank and employs
vacuum which has many advantages in safety and reduced processing
time. Vacuum drying the oil ensures low water content, which is
critical to a good process,
But Mike's right, it doesn't mean anything. Well, it does mean
something, but not that it's organic. It definitely doesn't mean that
local farm produce that doesn't have USDA organic certification is
not organic.
Best
Keith
It means something to me. Someone with CLOUT is making a start and
Uh, are those baked nonbelievers organic or just USDA certified?
As a member of the Flying Spaghetti Monster Church,
http://www.venganza.org/ I am shocked, appalled and outraged
at [ ] and [ ]. All I can say is my God is the
one true God, and no set of tongs, pasta bowl
Greetings,
I recently clicked through an ad to http://www.dieselsecret.com/ that
claims to enable you to make an alternative diesel fuel from vegetable
oil - not biodiesel, and with no conversion. It sounds simple enough,
take vegetable oil (virgin or used), add their Alternative Diesel
Fuel
Andrew,
If you search the archives for DSE or Diesel Secret you will get
ample discusions of it.
The repeated consensus has been that it's BUNK.
On 3/27/06, Andrew Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greetings,
I recently clicked through an ad to http://www.dieselsecret.com/ that
claims to
My girlfriend says that everyone associated w/ BD is certified, or
should be...
Keith Addison wrote:
Uh, are those baked nonbelievers organic or just USDA certified?
As a member of the Flying Spaghetti Monster Church,
http://www.venganza.org/ I am shocked, appalled and outraged
at [
Mike is a US-bashing crackpot.
I would not believe a thing he says.
Keith Addison wrote:
But Mike's right, it doesn't mean anything. Well, it does mean
something, but not that it's organic. It definitely doesn't mean that
local farm produce that doesn't have USDA organic certification is
not
Yes, Andrew, it's true.
I myself have made a pile of money off of it and am now running a huge
fleet of trucks on DSE.
Nah, it's the same as blending - 80% filtered veg oil, 6% RUG and 14%
Iso (change formula depending on who you believe)
There is a ton on stuff on the web on blending. You
Keith Addison wrote:
(Uberpatriots and Jingoism)
Rather noticeable, yes. Different forums have different cultures.
But I'm baffled by people who can't get along here. This is a VERY
diverse place, yet among the regular contributors there seems to be a
degree of respect that I seldom
John Mullan wrote:
What I find amazing is the use of the term organic.
Absolutely everything that you can grow is organic. A rock is not
organic.
So in reality they can grow anything and call it organic. When will
people smarten up.
Sure, Organic Chemistry relates to carbon based
Wow I am humbled to be listed amongst the others in Biodiesel who
preceded me on the Journey to Forever website!
Of course whatever I know now, I have to attribute to that site and all
the wonderful members of this list who helped me along the way (and put
up with my rants!). Now I hope I can
robert luis rabello wrote:
Snip
Surely there ARE some differences. I think George Orwell had it
right (though his timing was off by a few years) and Josef Goebbels
would be quite comfortable in the current administration. That
wouldn't have been the case 40 years ago.
Actually
Joe Street wrote:
Actually I would argue that Aldous Huxley was closer to the mark. It's
easier to control people with soma than brute force. Keep them asleep
and numbed with warm fuzzy patriotic feelings and mostly distracted with
useless information, propaganda and flashy
Good thing I'm not planning on getting old!
robert luis rabello wrote:
Joe Street wrote:
Actually I would argue that Aldous Huxley was closer to the mark. It's
easier to control people with soma than brute force. Keep them asleep
and numbed with warm fuzzy patriotic
hows this:
George h w bush (don't worry,be happy...) is to brave new world as
George bush (terror, terror, terror) is to 1984
robert luis rabello wrote:
Joe Street wrote:
Actually I would argue that Aldous Huxley was closer to the mark. It's
easier to control people with soma than
Flashback. SAT's
bob allen wrote:
hows this:
George h w bush (don't worry,be happy...) is to brave new world as
George bush (terror, terror, terror) is to 1984
robert luis rabello wrote:
Joe Street wrote:
Actually I would argue that Aldous Huxley was closer to the mark. It's
Hi Mike,This isn't one of those "too good to be true" things is it? I've had to forgo biodiesel production due to all the "meth heads" causing problems with gettingsome of the components. I have about 55 gallons of WVO I'd like to convert into fuel for my Liberty, but because of the local
Regular Unleaded Gas...
Jeeez, where do you live?
Gregg Davidson wrote:
Hi Mike,
This isn't one of those too good to be true things is it? I've had
to forgo biodiesel production due to all the meth heads causing
problems with getting some of the components. I have about 55 gallons
of
RUG = Regular Unleaded Gasoline
Regarding methanol etc...just tell them you have a hot rod honda that you race.
On 3/27/06, Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Mike,
This isn't one of those too good to be true things is it? I've had to
forgo biodiesel production due to all the meth
The real problem as I see it is it is terribly under reported and also misdiagnosed. Has been here for years and for conspiracists the first reported cases I knew of were Colorado Springs. I understand 40% of the deer tested there were positive. Kirk CJD 'poses threat to thousands'7.30AM, Mon
If I had family or friends in local (Polk County, Georgia)law enforcement, I could do that without any fear of being raided. I think sometimes that "Davidson" is Scottish for "Murphy" as I seem to be subject to Murphy's Law - "Anything that can go wrong, will."Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Polk County, Georgia. It's in the NW part of the state. Definitely the home of Closed Minded thinking when it comes to Biodiesel.Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regular Unleaded Gas...Jeeez, where do you live?Gregg Davidson wrote: Hi Mike, This isn't one of those "too good to be true"
Hi all
I am currently beginning processing WVO into biodiesel to use in my
home heating. I have a furnace designed specifically for diesel fuel
and I would like to know if anyone has any experience of using
biodiesel in such a furnace and if there are any problems they've
come across.
Hello Andrew
It's obvious that it's a scam.
More details here from some folk who believed it:
http://greasecar.com/forum_topicview.cfm?frmtopicID=3349
See:
Veg-oil blends
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html#blends
We didn't really need to give them another free ad though. Never
Hello Robert
snip
Life for humans and pre-humans too has always been far more a
cooperative venture. Yes, all abuses are old, but to ascribe to them
a major and continuing role in our social development is a Victorian
idea and it's quite easily debunked. It's yet another out-of-place
As I have just successfully produced a full liter of quality oil
from virgin oil, I am today going to get some WVO and take the next
step. So my thoughts about the donut shop was speculation. I know
that the local dunkin donuts uses vegetable oil but I have not asked
about getting their waste oil
Greetings,
For those of you who like to buy good food in the US, Certified Naturally
Grown has the old organic standard that agribusiness could not meet. It is
not government run, the farmers certify each other.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
At 12:51 PM 3/27/2006, you wrote:
Mike is a US-bashing
Hey Joe,
You said it pretty well. Unfortunately there are still a lot of people
that swallow all the manipulation and pap (think Faux News and many well funded
others) hook, line and sinker.
We are well on our way to a world corpocracy with everyone rfid implanted,
dna on file, tracked our
See:http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/
0...5179751,00.htmlLast fall, Brigham Young
University physics professor Steven E. Jones made headlines when he charged that
the World Trade Center collapsed because of "pre-positioned explosives." Now,
along with a group that calls itself "Scholars for
I'm quite unimpressed with the article. To claim that the observed elevation
in temperatures is not
due to the burgeoning concentrations of radiatively forcing gases in the
atmosphere begs the
question of why. We know that gases such as CO2 and methane absorb strongly in
the infrared. Heat
We cannot let this kind of stuff slow us down or intimidate us. That's
exactly what the Bushites want.
They wantus to beaccomplices,
willing/unwilling/unknowing,to their dastardly plans,but it ain't
ever going to happen. The WH is occupied bytwo scarecrowswithvisions ofriches for
themselves
Is there something in the water in Utah? Didn't Jones collaborate with
Fleischmann and Pons in the
cold fusion fiasco?
D. Mindock wrote:
See: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/ 0...5179751,00.html
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179751,00.html
Last fall, Brigham Young University
Very interesting article! It does help to remember that nature operates on
a scale MUCH larger than mere human activity.
Hm, that means we can do whatever we like and it doesn't matter.
Guzzle guzzle guzzle, waste waste waste.
What about this though?
Keith, now the whole thing again but this time w/ MLA citations, plz.
J/k, of course.
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