Re: [Biofuel] Jane Fonda

2006-12-01 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Jim, This has been thoroughly debunked. Completely untrue. Happy Happy, Gustl Thursday, 30 November, 2006, 22:07:42, you wrote: JP I don't know if this is the place for this or not. I got this in the mail the other day. Personally I don't care for Jane, but that is immaterial

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)

2006-12-01 Thread Joe Street
Hi Tom Well I put a couple of bottles of my hooch in a flask and dumped enough castor oil on top to form a layer about 2cm thick. Heated to 60 degrees C and started to nod off while waiting for something to happen. So I went to bed and left the hot plate on overnight..well in the

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)

2006-12-01 Thread Logan vilas
Doesn't castor oil absorb alcohol? If so the heat would cause the alcohol to evaporate out of the water, but it would combine with the Castor oil. That should raise the alcohol boiling point. Maybe once the Castor oil becomes saturated with alcohol then any remaining alcohol would appear on the

Re: [Biofuel] Jane Fonda

2006-12-01 Thread JAMES PHELPS
Thank you, Even though I don't care for her one way or another I do think spreading these things in the form of this happened are at best a shame and unfair to those involved - everybody not just Jane. Jim From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)

2006-12-01 Thread Joe Street
Hi Logan; I wanted to try this as a continuous process so the oil is floating on the alcohol/water mixture. In this case one cannot heat to the boiling point of the alcohol much less the boiling point of water. As soon as any bubbles form they would rise through the oil defeating the purpose

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)

2006-12-01 Thread NV Dhana
Tom. Castor oil idea is a bum. I pour 100 ml of castor oil ln flask containing 500ml of fermented broth with about 7.5% ethanol. stirred it good and left it over night. I did not see any volume increase in castor oil. I made more test and find out, negligible amount of ethanol was dissolve in

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)

2006-12-01 Thread Thomas Kelly
Joe, There doesn't seem to be any majik bullet for this. The rate of diffusion is related to the kintetic energy (or vapor pressure?) of the ethanol, its concentration, and the surface area it is diffusing through. I wonder if the problem extracting ethanol from wine is that it

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)

2006-12-01 Thread Thomas Kelly
Navnit, Thanks for the info. I am working on other idea for destilling ethanol with less energy. If it work i will let you know Please do. Best of luck, Tom - Original Message - From: NV Dhana [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)

2006-12-01 Thread Joe Street
Hey Tom; I was thinking along the same lines but then there's this: Castor oil has a density of about 0.96 at room temp. According to the specific gravity tests I did with methanol ( ethanol is close in density) even 90% pure methanol with water still only has a density of 0.82 at 23 deg. C.

Re: [Biofuel] Jane Fonda

2006-12-01 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Sounds like an attempt to discredit peace activists by linking them with supporting the enemy. Basically, saying that if you dont want to kill them, you must want to kill us instead which if they are true peace activists, they would be equally against. Z On 12/1/06, JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Jane Fonda

2006-12-01 Thread JAMES PHELPS
There is an alarming amount of this stuff floating around, I find it disturbing as to how people will pass it along as fact and speak of it as such. Rush would not have a market if this was not so. Jim From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To:

Re: [Biofuel] Jane Fonda

2006-12-01 Thread DHAJOGLO
I think the concept to remember here is that this 100 Women of the Century occurred in 1999 and it was a media title. Its interesting that it popped up recently. I wonder what this individual, if he really exists, thinks of the present situation? I don't know if this is the place for this or

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)

2006-12-01 Thread Jason Katie
its all about the surface area. i assume the flask you were using had an opening of between three and five cm? try using a wide shallow pan or a big bowl. and the oil layer doesnt have to be super thick, maybe 5mm. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message -

Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Making Methanol)

2006-12-01 Thread Jason Katie
you have to find the flash point for the ethanol quantity. i also believe that high percentages of ethanol are more agreeable. this would be a refining step in a larger process, not a means of distilling. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jason