[Biofuel] now this is a cheese page

2007-07-17 Thread Kirk McLoren
http://biology.clc.uc.edu/Fankhauser/Cheese/Cheese.html I found this comment interesting: because Pasteurization removes calcium from solution, you may need to add a small amount of calcium chloride to aid coagulation and form curd which does not fall apart when you stir it. I

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: water and electricity as fuel!

2007-07-17 Thread doug swanson
From all I have read, it makes a great welding setup. I'd like to see it live and in person, some of the claims are so remarkable... doug Jason Mier wrote: > i didnt mean in a car. i wanted to use it to weld with. its a waste of time > trying to put hydrogen in a car. > > > >> From: doug s

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: water and electricity as fuel!

2007-07-17 Thread Jason Mier
i didnt mean in a car. i wanted to use it to weld with. its a waste of time trying to put hydrogen in a car. >From: doug swanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: water and electricity as fuel! >Date: Tue, 17

Re: [Biofuel] Corporate Interests

2007-07-17 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
Today, in my travels, I stopped in Clinton to have a piece of jewelry repaired at a local store called Made To Order. This store is open 7 days a week and employs perhaps 7 to 10 people full time with several more employed part time. This store belongs to the family of Dan Brown, well known w

Re: [Biofuel] Corporate Interests (was: Allergies (was: Organic Farming Yields)

2007-07-17 Thread M&K DuPree
Hi Keith and List...I'd like to suggest that "corporate interests," wherever we might find them, are not merely a small handful of people who are greedy, but also the many workers who work for them who are needy, along with all the investors who knowingly or unknowingly (through 401k type vehicl

Re: [Biofuel] Allergies (was: Organic Farming Yields)

2007-07-17 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
I've come across only one reference that may relate. Forced vaccinations are taking place in Africa and as vaccinations are now being given to larger and larger percentages of the population there has been a dramatic increase in "conditions" .. things that were rare are now on the increase .. a

Re: [Biofuel] Allergies (was: Organic Farming Yields)

2007-07-17 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Chip >I suppose most folks are aware that there is a radical increase >in food allergies or sensitivities worldwide, that is growing >all the time. Folks becoming intolerant to food products in ways >never even heard of just a generation ago. > >I've heard conjecture that the base causality may

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: water and electricity as fuel!

2007-07-17 Thread Joe Street
I see this as just another example of how nature dances and humans hack. What I mean is that in regard to your comment about how an oxidation reaction can be run backwards given enough energy input and where is all this energy going to come from, well plants are very good at separating carbon

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: water and electricity as fuel!

2007-07-17 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi Chip and all, Marq De Villiers book ´Water, The fate of our most precious resource¨ was written in 2000. It seems to be a fairly well annoted source. A couple of key points he makes is that China was using groundwater to produce 70% of its harvest. Soils were salting up, water tables dropping a

Re: [Biofuel] Allergies

2007-07-17 Thread Joe Street
Hey Chip I have been thinking along lines not quite the same but related. Has anyone else noticed this year a step change amongst your circle of friends in the amount of respiratory complaints? I have and have had some sysmptoms myself and I know I am mildly allergic to ragweed but it is not

Re: [Biofuel] Allergies (was: Organic Farming Yields)

2007-07-17 Thread Kirk McLoren
Also the proliferation of Frankenfood. If you buy commercial products you are eating it. Monsanto has done more evil than Stalin or Hitler. We will be with these "improvements" forever. Not only a crime against humanity, a crime against nature. Pillars of the community. Monsanto rats.

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: water and electricity as fuel!

2007-07-17 Thread Kirk McLoren
>(the extra load on the alternator to do this is paid for in gasoline) Depends on the efficiency change produced by using hydrogen to propagate the flame. In old engines it worked well. I understand the wedge combustion chamber (Honda technology) overcomes this and the mixture already bu

[Biofuel] Murdoch to buy Dow Jones

2007-07-17 Thread Kirk McLoren
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070717/dow_jones_news_corp.html Murdoch to buy Dow Jones & Co. 5 billion - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.___

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: water and electricity as fuel!

2007-07-17 Thread Dawie Coetzee
Couldn't agree with you more, Doug, especially as regards electrical generating capacity, etc., which has been a growing concern of mine. Here I am trying to figure out how to do the electrical system in the house I'm planning, trying to move as many functions as I can to sources other than main

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: water and electricity as fuel!

2007-07-17 Thread Chip Mefford
Doug Younker wrote: > Peak Coal, Peak Oil, any guesses how long to Peak Water? >From what I've read, 2022 to 2027, at current rates. These figures don't take into account that the entire northern hemisphere is seeing decreased average annual rainfall.

[Biofuel] Allergies (was: Organic Farming Yields)

2007-07-17 Thread Chip Mefford
I suppose most folks are aware that there is a radical increase in food allergies or sensitivities worldwide, that is growing all the time. Folks becoming intolerant to food products in ways never even heard of just a generation ago. I've heard conjecture that the base causality may possibly be t

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: water and electricity as fuel!

2007-07-17 Thread doug swanson
water is an ash. the end result of oxidizing hydrogen. it's a reversible reaction that takes energy to accomplish. then, you have oxygen and hydrogen in the correct quantities to oxidize the hydrogen again, releasing energy... it takes energy to accomplish this reversible reaction. imagine

Re: [Biofuel] Fw: water and electricity as fuel!

2007-07-17 Thread Doug Younker
Peak Coal, Peak Oil, any guesses how long to Peak Water? A recent editorial by our small town weekly publisher, along with my Congressman's email newsletter reinforces, few in leadership positions are ready suggest that we conserve resources. I guess some of those who call themselves conservat