Our kWh costs on the VeggieGen are running about $0.08 / kWh (fuel filtering,
expected maintenance, depreciation of capital assets). This is in Niagara
Mohawk Power territory where electric is $0.15 / kWh delivered. This does not
include the $15k capital expense avoided by not having power
Good thing we don't let kids vote. Of course they believe whatever their
parents do at that age. That's why we let them develop brains before we let
them vote. Republicans don't let their kids watch Nickelodeon, they have more
sense than that ;-)
Here's hoping for 4 years of anyone but
It's going to cost you WAY MORE to run the gennie per kilowatt than buying grid
electricity.
SS no, not really. $0.08 / kWh in $0.15 kWh Grid territory
On the order of 20 to 40 cents per kilowatt. You WILL pay for the cost of solar
panels in a few years of fuel, maintenance and problems
you missed Republicans don't let their kids watch Nickelodeon, they have more
sense than that ;-) which skews the polls to primarily democrats. I can't
prove that claim, but it sounds good. That channel (among others) will turn
there minds to mush. My kids prefer the wings channel, wich I bet
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OK let's do some math
3/4 gallon per hour
Let's say you want to run it 10 hours per day.
Assuming you don~t have all the free oil you can get, and you have to buy.
SS I do, but ok, we will assume.
A gallon of oil is around 2 to 3 per gallon in 5 gallon cans or
12.5 kW Detroit Diesel 2-71's at www.affordablepower.com, delivered for $3100.
Used, but full of life. We love ours, and expect you'll love one too. Please
let them know that you heard about them from me. In warm weather, they run fine
on cold wvo, no conversion necessary. At about 60F, you
I did not imply that being anti-bush is being anti-american. But we have many
on this list that are both. I don't believe I'm required to listen to one side,
without speaking up for the other side once in a great while. Especially when I
see half truths and hateful misinformation being spread.
The greatest patriot that this country has seen in many years if
Michael Moore???
bwaahahhhahhahhahha .
I think you meant the greatest idiot, but then there are a few others that
would have to share that title, like Pat Robertson, Jesse Jackson, David Duke,
Peewee Herman, etc.
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Numbers and mileage may vary with your personal situation.
Not the end all...
Just an idea of what it might cost
But thanks for the link to affordable Power
I already emailed them about buying one.
What city are they in?
mel
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It would take too long to go over all the posts that really blow it. There are
so many of them. I'm going to stick with biofuels and related topics, and leave
it to the rest of you muckrakers. I'm not the one who stirs stuff up, but I
sure get beat over the head when I ocassionaly object to
Good people, good technology. Works well in colder climates as well as warm
ones.
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Sorry
http://www.greasel.com
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From: Mel Riser
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] Good source of SVO stuff
I'm not Kim, but I though I'd answer some of these questions just to give Kim
and others an idea on our off grid solutions. See below:
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Hi Kim,
an ambitious project for most people, however, I suspect you are up to it.
Are your telephone lines strung on the same
The quick answer is no, the long answer is maybe, depending on climate and
vehicle (Not the Ford, sorry). Ford's don't do well on cold veggie. Breaks
injector pumps. Heat it and it will work.
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..hi keith..i wood like to know if ??you can take 5 .gal. of w v o.
Wind can be simple. Our AIR 303, for instance. Put it on a tall pole, run the
wires to the battery bank. The charge control circuitry is built into the wind
unit (and is broken, on our unit). No complicated fuss. We are trying to get a
403 upgrade kit which will increase output, and fix the
As long as the current rating isn't exceeded, it would work. Newer battery
chargers have different stages of charging based on battery response, and
would be less desireable for this function. The older non-automatic (manual)
flat out battery condition be damned units would be better. The
For some autonomy, charge the battery with the charger, and if mains go down,
you have reserve. replace charger with pv panel .
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As long as the current rating isn't exceeded, it would work. Newer battery
chargers have different stages of charging based on
Of course, they don't realize, or don't mention, the damage they are doing to
their injectors and pump .
Think lubricity!
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On the journeytoforever website you will find info about mixing svo and
kerosene (it also works with filtered WVO).
Actually any diesel
We are running almost straight wvo, with a bit of kero added on cold days to
keep it from gelling. Your waste kero seems like a winner if it can be
dewatered. Don't use a lot, just enough to thin the wvo somewhat. The injection
system determines the amount needed. Our Detroit Diesel with it's
Yes, I posted MY BASIC CONVICTIONS to our blog at www.green-trust.org
yesterday. He's got some good ideals, and he's working them, instead of just
talking them. Very admirable. I do like the products, but more so the
philosophy.
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Hi Steve
Thanks for that. Mr
You do realize that isopropyl is only used for titration, so you don't need
bulk. What you need in bulk is methanol, to the tune of 10 gallons per 100
gallons of veggie oil, or thereabouts.
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I'm Living in Virginia in the US and have recently begun homebrewing. I've
The ratio's are similar (see the recipe's at the various sites, like jtf), but
ethanol is extremely tricky, due to it's need to be anhydrous, and it's want to
not be.
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how many gallons of ethanol would you need for 100 gallons of veggie?
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The racor spin on filters also have these sediment bowls, and drain valves.
They also come with heating pads, and are available from many places including
www.greasel.com
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Where do you get these filters? Can they be ordered online? From granger?
-Original
I'm trying to clarify for others that hydrogen, although a neat science fair
experiment, is nowhere near practical for transportation, as your posts would
have led the uninformed to believe. Keep experimenting and have fun with it,
but please don't recommend it as a viable fuel.
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Yes, there si a hydrogen fueling station being built (with taxpayers money) so
Arnold has a place to fill up his hummer. That way he can pretend to be green
.
It cannot stand on it's own, fiscally.
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Dear Spence, Well said, although I heard there is a
hydrogen
They will soon realize that the expenditure in solar equipment to make that
vehicle go more than a few miles will cost much more than anyone will want to
pay. Seems silly to spend 100x as much on solar panels (not including the fuel
cell costs) than the electric it produces would have cost for
I'm off grid. There is no way I would divert my few and precious kWh's into
producing hydrogen. What a boondoggle. Ethanol and biodiesel would put me yards
ahead in the game.
Steve
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My friend, you have a very valid point here.
The cost in
Just gave you two (Ethanol and biodiesel/wvo), and now I'll add a third,
bio-methane, for stationary apps like generators and heating/cooking. Digest
your and your animal's crap for energy. Hydrogen isn't, and won't be anything
that will help us save our Earth.
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Did you consider how many kWh it would have taken for that 30 miles on
hydrogen, then compared how many miles that amount of kWh would have taken you
on a pure EV? More than 60 miles ..
That's the whole point these folks are missing. It's not that it can't be done,
it's that it shouldn't
I'm not sure what it has to do with exhaust, but my Nissan Sentra has 124k
miles, and the original exhaust is still solid. Only 20k miles of that were on
E10. I don't think that biofuels will benefit from this technology, as
combustion efficiency is already much better than fossil fuels. I
The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift pump near
the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return line isn't
plugged.
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Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective
cleaner that it loosened
Magnets do nothing for combustion or joint pain. They do, however, do wonders
for lightening the load on the wallets of the scientifically clueless.
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Hi all
MAGNETS TO IMPROVE COMBUSTION?...and OTHER USES
~I have an interest in any means which might
Sounds more like a tragedy than a comedy
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TITLE: Monsanto's royalty grab in Argentina
AUTHOR: GRAIN
PUBLICATION: Against the grain
DATE: October 2004
URL: http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=4
I could quote the years of studies, or I could just point you back to science
101. I'm glad you anticipated this response. The first step in conquering a
problem is admitting you have one. It's not a crime to be scientifically
off-track, and there is help available. Magnets have a few great
You have been evaluating it since 1999, why isn't it on the market yet. The
only sources of info I can find is minutes of political meetings in your
government (one of your parlement folks trying to get funding for his
constiuent) and your own promo pieces. Hey there is always room for another
biofuels already exceed some of the claims of this mystery oil, and are o2
containing fuels to begin with. I don't see the benefit this adds to biofuels.
They are already oxygenated.
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Hi all biofuelers. I previously posted info' on the above technology which I
Because I'm already removing such deposits by using a oxygenated solvent for
fuel. See the subject line, WVO, not diesel. Eliminating such items still won't
double engine life, as those deposits do not reduce engine life by 50% ..
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Steve, why not ? Especially
You should consider biodiesel for startup and shutdown, instead of diesel.
Also considering the addition of a pre-combustion fuel catalyst, and
additional after treament (because of dedicated veg use).
unnecessary with bio-d startup/shutdown.
See the VeggieGen project, as it's exactly what
I do not understand this:
The challenge in the San Joaquin Valley is ground
level ozone and therefore biodiesel has to be
combined with tailpipe filters and sparkplug
combustion effieciency changes.
Biodiesel would reduce the need for tailpipe filters. And what would it have to
do with
If Russia ratifies Kyoto (it hasn't yet), it is only to get a political pass
for entrance in the WTO. The lower house of parliament will ratify (or not) in
three months.
Countries which are not signatories to Kyoto -- like the United States -- will
not be bound by the pact even if it enters
I gave a url in my other post. January 1st, 2004, every pump here in NY had a
sign on it explaining that it now contained 10% ethanol. MTBE was banned
statewide at that time.
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Steve Spence wrote:
Minnesota is not the only state that mandates ethanol
in gasoline.
Why not? We already have cooking univ., fashion univ., why not renewable energy
univ.
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This post makes me wonder ... what if a university were dedicated to a
single purpose, like energy or even one aspect of energy. Would that be a
good thing?
Z
Bob Dinneen needs to get out more, as Hawaii isn't doing the switch until April
2006 and NY did it in Jan 2004.
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Steve Spence wrote:
Minnesota is not the only state that mandates ethanol in gasoline.
NY is at 10% currently. It's my understanding California is as
One of us didn't do our math correctly.
100 km = 62 miles
3.78 liters is .79 gallons
.79 * 1.27 = 1.0033 gallons
62 * 1.27 = 78.12 miles.
Yep, it was me. Somehow I came up with 65 mpg, not 78. Oops. Sorry. Still not
available in the US As far as I can tell.
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yes, I realized that, and corrected myself in another post.
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Wou , wou wou,
Unless you use different miles or gallons, Steve, the 3liter /100 km
translates to 78 miles/gallon
pretty close to 80mpg
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Well, that's only 65 mpg, not 80, so
Well, we do have a few more diesel models to choose from next year (Jeep
Liberty CRD is one) than we did last year, so I'm optomistic that diesel
penetration is on the rise. Diesel trucks are very popular over here. Ford, GM,
and Chrysler all offer diesel pickup/van models. One major reason
If a soldier decides not to fight in an illegal war, then he must be prepared
to accept the consequences of that decision. It won't be pretty.
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Hi Hakan,
Thanks for your reply, but Luc in a previous post (Why We Cannot Win),
mentioned it was the duty of a soldier
Minnesota is not the only state that mandates ethanol in gasoline. NY is at 10%
currently. It's my understanding California is as well.
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Pawlenty pushes plan to double ethanol in gasoline
Brian Bakst, Associated Press
September 27, 2004
VW Beetle, Jeep Liberty CRD
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As a new reader of the list and new to the biofuel concept, are there any
specific things I need to be aware of in looking at a car to run the biodiesel?
The only current production diesel available in the states, that I have found
is
My grandfather was a yanmar dealer (Ferguson Diesels) in Pennsylvania. They
were lovely engines. I sold 15 of them for him about 8 years ago just before he
died, for about $200 a piece if I recall correctly. Most everywhere I have been
(quite a few places, but not everywhere) fuel oil and
As of January 1, 2004, the sale or importation of gasoline containing methyl
tertiary-butyl ether (MTBE)
will be banned in New York State. With respect to the ban, the Department has
received inquiries regarding
the taxability of ethanol, the accepted substitute for MTBE, when blended with
Well, that's only 65 mpg, not 80, so it's not admirable, but doable. However,
the Lupo isn't available here in the states, so the Jetta/Beetle is the best we
can get at the moment.
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Steve,
The VW Lupo 3L is a 4 passenger diesel car for around $11k, that is doing
First publicly displayed engine (worlds fair) was peanut oil. there were many
diesel engine prototypes that used a variety of experimental fuels.
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From Wikipedia: I have found it quite informative, and in confirmation of most
of what I have read at JtF. Rudolf ran
It's my belief that Cd 0.26, 0-60 mph in 8.2 s, 114 mpg-equivalent with fuel
cell). is unmitigated bull fertilizer. I would really like to see their
calculations proving that 114 mpg-equivalent .
It would be fun to compare a 50 mpg biofueled (at $3 / GGE) vw jetta diesel
with a hydrogen
There is no issue in 2000 + models running b100. run 50% kero in sub zero
weather.
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Other than probably violating some warranty clause, I can~t see any reason.
Of course the dealer will tell you all kinds of reasons to not use it.
However most if not all BioFuel
If you park next to a propane refueling depot, and there is propane in the air,
the engine can runaway. Same thing can happen with worn rings. The engine
will pull oil from the sump and take off until something breaks or oil runs out.
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Jeff wrote:
I have heard of
Actually is is and always has been a republic, not a democracy.
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1. Socialism and democracy are not mutually exclusive.
2. The U.S. is no longer a democracy but a plutocracy;
of the people, by the people and for the people is now
subservient to corporate America.
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let~s consider nitrous oxide and the diesel, or more correctly, the
turbo-diesel. To begin, a turbo-diesel has no air throttle. It is free to
intake as much air as it can draw, or the turbochager can supply, on every
intake stroke. Therefore, hot rodding the diesel is a matter of supplying the
A fuel cell is a battery. Where lead acid batteries require electricity to
charge them, fuel cells require a fuel to charge them. Now, let's say you
have 100 kWh of electric from a generator, and you charge a battery bank, that
is more efficient than taking the same 100 kWh, electrolysing
If you really want more oxidation, NOS kits have come way down in price. This
really is the best/safest way to add oxygen to an engine.
http://www.holley.com/nosnitrous/index.html
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Thanks a lot for the information. I knew it was a good idea to ask here
first. You
We have a propane fridge. If you don't mind defrosting it every once in a
while, they are nice to have when there is no grid. They tend to be small,
expensive, and lack features the new electric fridges have (think battery (D
Cell) fridge light). We will be putting in a new energy star
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Andrew said:
With all the renewed interest in water injection systems I thought
I
had better try this myself...but the link on the WebConx page no
longer works. Has anyone got this info? Has anyone tried this on
diesel engines,
the link directory just keeps getting bigger. add your site, if it's
not there
http://www.webconx.com/links/themeindex.html
| activism_4 | advocacy_1 | agriculture_37 | animal_3 | assistance_2
| aviation_1 | biodiesel_4 | biofuel_2 | biofuels_9 | biogas_1 |
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This is what I hope to have up and running by tomorrow:
http://webboard.oreilly.com/
supports nntp (newsreader) http (web browser) and smtp/pop (email)
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Hi,
I'm glad I'm not the only one, drove me nuts trying to
They are screwing this up, just like they did with webring. Be
patient, I almost have our webboard up. It will be more reliable than
webconx.com
webconx is still off the air, as my provider is a screw up. Changes
coming there as well.
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vw diesels are inexpensive, and easy to get parts for. that's what I use.
early 80's rabbit variety.
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the oxy sensor will notice the increased oxygen in the fuel, and will want
to richen the mixture. this is a good thing as there is less energy in
ethanol, and more needs to be put in. still don't think it will run well,
unless it's a multifuel engine.
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I use standard 35 gallon steel drums. no issues.
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totally clogged injectors, ash, who knows what else. that's grease, not oil.
reacted into biodiesel, it works fine.
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it can be done, however you need to heat that oil before it can be used.
start up and shut down on regular diesel. use coolant to heat the wvo to
about 150 f before activating a fuel selector solenoid. filter that wvo very
well when hot before putting it in the tank (5 microns). maintenance may
animal fats, not being reacted to biodiesel? not in my engine.
WVO, yes, but not tallow.
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did it burn in an engine? where there any differences in performance over
regular diesel?
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you should be testing your brew before you start making bigger batches. a
small diesel generator or junk vw ( I picked up a non roadworthy vw rabbit
for $150 that had a good engine) will work fine.
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a number of the hipo people have programmable computers. timing, a/f ratio,
etc.
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at the bottom of my ethanol page (http://www.webconx.com/ethanol.htm) I have
a couple of references to conversion shops. try www.holley.com
at one point (about 4 years ago) I had a dialogue with one of the norstar
(cadillac) fuel injection engineers. we discussed converting to ethanol, but
you don't need that much speed. I use a trolling motor, and what's important
is mixing time. see http://www.webconx.com/making_biodiesel.htm
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we use racing fuel, so purity may not be much of an issue. try small batches
to see what works.
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not sure what dripping is, but tallow and lard can be used.
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it's lye. not baking soda.
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tallow and lard have to be heated in order to react with the lye and
methanol, the esters produced are liquid.
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anyone up for a large biodiesel project? serious enquiries only please. see
below:
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Millions of dollars have been spent to test, evaluate and commercialize
biodiesel in the United States. BDI of Graz, Austria has perfected the
engineering technology to produce biodiesel. The results of this extensive
research effort have encouraged Griffin Industries to incorporate BDIs
patented
http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jul2000/2000L-07-11-09.html
http://www.webconx.com/biodiesel.htm
WEST LAFAYETTE, Indiana, July 11, 2000 (ENS) - Plant oils could replace
petroleum as the major fuel of the future, says Bernie Tao, an associate
professor in Agricultural and Biological Engineering at
I am using waste fryer oil (WVO) to make bio-diesel (methyl esters), and am
using that to run my Datsun diesel pickup!!
The process is called transesterification. It is a simple operation, you mix
some organic oils with methanol and lye. Proper proportions must, of coarse,
be followed.
I am using
I wouldn't use it in an engine, but it will work in a modified fuel oil
furnace.
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If we don't believe in freedom of speech
for people
any diesel will run fine on biodiesel. When Josh Tickell gets back, you
might want to ask him. I believe he now has a landrover powered by
biodiesel.
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I'm not interested in making fuel for me, just for my engines. I need the
highest quality ethanol possible.
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if the biofuel topic is ethanol, I also include distillers. If a topic on
distilling might benefit a fuel producer, I include it on biofuels. There
are 2 biofuels groups, one at egroups, and one at topica, and 2 on
distilling, at egroups, (distillers new_distillers)
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Hi Ian. Bio-diesel takes much less resources to make, and is the fastest to
produce. I can make 35 gallons a night with my setup.
methanol can be made from destructive distillation of wood
ethanol can be made from distillation of starch/sugars
methane can be made from anaerobic digestion of
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what I would suggest is you work on using ethanol instead. it's much
trickier to get to work, but can be done, and it's not hard to make
yourself.
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http://www.webconx.com/ethanol.htm
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Thanks Keith, Great resource. That one deserved it's own page.
http://www.webconx.com/sawdust_ethanol.htm
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Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 2:54 PM
Subject: Makin' It on the Farm revised,
http://www.webconx.com/ethanol.htm
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I sent an email to josh, but I think he's in Guatemala.
http://www.webconx.com/biodiesel.htm
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thanks Keith, you know I wouldn't pass this up grin
http://www.bmb.psu.edu/courses/biotc001/bioprocess.htm
http://129.109.112.248/microbook/ch004.htm
It's nasty stuff:
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0076.html
You may want to check into BUTANOL PRECIPITATION OF DEPROTECTED
OLIGONUCLEOTIDES
in Florida, a friend used to get the spoiled fruit from the farms and used
that as his base.
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very nice design. also some very good distilling info at:
http://go.to/distil
http://www.webconx.com/ethanol.htm
and
the egroups (onelist)
distillers
new_distillers
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