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William Blum, Rogue State
An Interview With William Blum, Author Rogue State
William Blum, Rogue State, on the author's 2000 book, which was
recently cited by Osama bin Laden as one Americans should read.
We are faced with the fact that
Hello Mike, Robert and all
My SECULAR government shouldn't force me to think or behave against
my own conscience.
Absolutely. I'm with you on that point.
So am I.
I have a problem with people who insist that we put the 10
commandments up in public buildings then refuse to live by them.
I
You did a wonderful job Keith. Your reply is the kind that I really enjoy evenwhen I don't agree with everything - appropriately siting references with your analysis and keeping in mind the bigger picture. You mentioned duality (i.e. duality of man) and makes me wonder ifJung was an influence in
Hear! Hear! Well I had to take exception to what was written about most
Canadians being unconcerned about the division (or lack of) church and
state. While I cannot speak for all Canadians I can certainly say I've
heard many negative comments every time the subject comes up and the
robert luis rabello wrote:
Michael Redler wrote:
[snip]
Yet the religious principle of do no harm to your neighbor and do
not harm a child come directly from a tradition far older than
psychology and the field of child development. (I can give you book,
chapter and verse in the
David Miller wrote:
See, here's the crux of the problem. Here is what you're missing.
Whose religious principle of do no harn to your neighbor and do not
harm a child do you hold?
I began my contribution to this thread by simply stating that in many
free countries, people
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Hear! Hear! Well I had to take exception to what was written about most
Canadians being unconcerned about the division (or lack
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Hear! Hear! Well I had to take exception to what was written about most
Canadians being unconcerned about the division (or lack of) church and
state
You did a wonderful job Keith.
Why thankyou Mike. :-)
Your reply is the kind that I really enjoy even when I don't agree
with everything - appropriately siting references with your analysis
and keeping in mind the bigger picture. You mentioned duality (i.e.
duality of man)
Duality of mind.
Hello David
I could perhaps agree with the point you're making, but I think you
stretch it so far it breaks.
robert luis rabello wrote:
Michael Redler wrote:
[snip]
Yet the religious principle of do no harm to your neighbor and do
not harm a child come directly from a tradition
Too bad nobody can quote from texts older than thesebecause they
didn't exist. So does that automatically mean that the ideas written
in these ancient documents must necessarily be soley attributed to
them? Isn't it reasonable to assume that decent people existed who had
decent values
Hello again David
Keith Addison wrote:
Hello David
I could perhaps agree with the point you're making, but I think you
stretch it so far it breaks.
robert luis rabello wrote:
Michael Redler wrote:
[snip]
Yet the religious principle of do no harm to your neighbor and do
not harm a child
Robert and Keith,
Thanks for your input.
Jerry
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:43:51 -0800 robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Jerry wrote:
Seems we have only proved that we have alot of problems
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Keith Addison wrote:
Hello David
I could perhaps agree with the point you're making, but I think you
stretch it so far it breaks.
robert luis rabello wrote:
Michael Redler wrote:
[snip]
Yet the religious principle of do no harm to your neighbor and do
not harm
Hi Zeke
Re: Bin Laden's honesty: I agree totally with you Keith. Since
reading Imperial Hubris I never trust the US media when a new report
from Bin Laden comes out. I used to think that he was mad at the US
primarily for our lousy foreign policy, but who was I to think that?
You sure
Bin Laden says this in his new video:
If you (Americans) are sincere in your desire for peace and
security, we have answered you. And if Bush decides to carry on
with his lies and oppression, then it would be useful for you to
read the book Rogue State, which states in its introduction: If
"My SECULAR government shouldn't force me to think or behave against my own conscience." Absolutely. I'm with you on that point."I have a problem with people who insist that we put the 10 commandments up in public buildings then refuse to live by them."I have a similar problem. It
Michael Redler wrote:
(Well, I wrote this part, not Michael!)
Morality is about right conduct, and I think we all have a basic
understanding of what this means.
(To which Michael replied)
The beginning of a slippery slope and it assumes that your basic
understanding and mine are
Jerry wrote:
Seems we have only proved that we have alot of problems
I think that you have illustrated how out of control much of this has
become. We struggle with the concept of how much government should
influence the conduct of our lives, and I believe Michael had a
You said:"We have a LONG history in the west of depending on religious thought and philosophy to guide our thinking. Stating that we should eliminate the influence of religion from government might be wise if we wish to avoid the excesses of the past, but I think we
Michael Redler wrote:
I included the whole quote so that I can't be accused of taking things
out of context. After repeatedly asking WHO'S RELIGION and WHO'S MORALS,
Yes, excellent questions. I've read through your response and I'm
wondering why we're disagreeing here. This
Public schools were run by the Catholic Church in
Newfoundland and Labrador for many years, and the world did not end.
The Catholic Church still run lots of schools in the UK and
most are a lot better than our stateschools.The Protestant schools
were mostly taken over by the state after
I used to think so too, however I went to a Jesuit college and found it to be quite tolerant of me not being Catholic. Only once or twice in four years and 50 some classes did I feel that I was under pressure to conform to their views, either socially or academically. I got an engineering degree
"The Catholic Church still run lots of schools in the UK and most are a lot better than our stateschools.The Protestant schools were mostly taken over by the state after the war."So, by your own example, despite having church and state "tied together", there is no clear benefit. According to
Michael Redler wrote:
The Catholic church is one of the least tolerant of organized religions.
I should know. While planning my wedding, my fiance's priest told
me that I (having been baptized and confirmed in a protestant church)
have to go through a nine month process with a tribunal
How may examples does history have to providefor some
people to understand the utter failureof religion in government to
maintain equality among its citizens?
Just look at British history to see how bad it
could get for the populationwhen a new head of state had a different
religion than
Excellent point Chris! Thanks.This is an aspect of religion/government to which I had not given much thought.MikeChris lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How may examples does history have to providefor some people to understand the utter failureof religion in government to maintain
"Well, I was simply astonished at the degree of cooperation between church and state when I first moved up here."Not surprising. My church has been equally benevolent. I never took a position against the intentions of any organized religion, only some of their leaders and their attemptto
Michael Redler wrote:
...sounds redundant. Who doesn't like freedom?
I put it in quotes because that phrase is used so often by our
imperious leader to mean people who are just like us. Canadians,
though they sometimes don't like to admit it, differ from us Americans
in very subtle
Re: Bin Laden's honesty: I agree totally with you Keith. Since reading Imperial Hubris I never trust the US media when a new report from Bin Laden comes out. I used to think that he was mad at the US primarily for our lousy foreign policy, but who was I to think that? When I found out that the CIA
There are two parts of this thread that are very interesting and
relevant as a Canadian. The first is this issue about the interaction
between Muslim immigrants and the culture and government in the land
they have immigrated to. I say this because the topic of Sharia law is
one that has been
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11615.htm
Full Text of Bin Laden Tape
By The Associated Press
01/19/06 ICH -- -- The following is the full text of a new
audiotape from al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. Parts of the tape
were aired on Al-Jazeera television, which published the
Joe,I went to the link.One sentence stood out among the others:"The province of Ontario has authorized the use of sharia law in civil arbitrations, if both parties consent."That's pretty scary stuff. I reminds me oftowns in the US trying to push religion inscience class (i.e. creative
On 1/20/06, Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One sentence stood out among the others:
The province of Ontario has authorized the use of sharia law in civil
arbitrations, if both parties consent.
That's pretty scary stuff. I reminds me of towns in the US trying to push
religion in
Michael Redler wrote:
I went to the link.
One sentence stood out among the others:
The province of Ontario has authorized the use of sharia law in civil
arbitrations, if both parties consent.
That's pretty scary stuff. I reminds me of towns in the US trying to
push religion in
"Public schools were run by the Catholic Church in Newfoundland and Labrador for many years, and the world did not end."The Catholic church is one of the least tolerant of organized religions. I should know. While planning my wedding, my fiance's priest told methat I (having been baptized and
Considering that the administration has only given lip service to protect us from a situation for which they are partially responsible, another attack hasn't occurred(IMO) because they don't want it to occur - yet.I believesome predictions that an attack will occur at a time and place of their
You may be right about another attack Mike;
But will it occurr in North America or in Australia?? I just read that
Australia is acting tough towards Muslims of fundamentalist nature.
This was forwarded to me without citing reference to the source by a
friend.
CANBERRA.Australia
:
So, what might happen if the US did take Bin Laden up on his truce offer and withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan.1) We'd be seen by the terrorists as giving up, which would just give them more hope. Well, they don't seem too discouraged or hopeless right now.
2) The victory could be used to
Holy crap! I had no Idea Joe! You have my attention. I'll be scanning the web and waiting to see what happens.Keep us posted if you learn anything more.Australia doesn't get the whole worldwide criminal network thing either. I think I see something undesirable in my yard. Excuse me while
You make some good points Zeke. Some of them came from a completely different direction than I was thinking (a good thing). My mind set in terms of the war in Iraq hasn't changed since the invasion. We never had a good reason for being there and I think most of usin this forum agree.I still
"You either vote for one guy or the other because if you vote for guy C then you are most likely taking votes away from the original guy you would have supported."I don't disagree,assuming there'stwo parties to start with or an original guy to support. The problem with a two party system is
The voting system itself makes some strange assumptions. There's no
provision for a dissenting vote for instance. The idea is that most
people will want to vote for someone, and the only other choice is
not to vote, not Yea's or Nay's, just Yea's or silence. And when
indeed most people don't
on 9/21/04 1:08 AM, Doug Foskey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was told today that Usama bin Laden had his name changed to the current
spelling after the 9/11 attacks, due to the possibility of accidently
inferring from his first name a relevance to a country: Have others heard
this?
My
I was told today that Usama bin Laden had his name changed to the current
spelling after the 9/11 attacks, due to the possibility of accidently
inferring from his first name a relevance to a country: Have others heard
this?
regards Doug
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