[Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector

2005-09-20 Thread Ken Dunn
Hi all, I'm trying to collect materials to build a solar hot water heater. I have a few questions for the initiated. I have been thinking that my most affordable way to go would be to use abandoned sliding glass doors (double pane of course) for my glazing. I can't imagine that there would be

Re: [Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector

2005-09-20 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Ken The bulk of the heat is from radiation from the sun. The best collectors are actually vaccuum tubes, to reduce convective losses. They also use a selective surface on the collector plates in order to reduce radiative losses as well. Pretty much any sort of glass should work okay for this as

Re: [Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector

2005-09-20 Thread Ken Dunn
On 9/20/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bulk of the heat is from radiation from the sun. Good! I think that would make the idea of 3 or 4 serpentines in series efficient. The best collectors are actually vaccuum tubes, to reduce convective losses. This doesn't sound like something

Re: [Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector

2005-09-20 Thread Ken Dunn
On 9/20/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best collectors are actually vaccuum tubes, to reduce convective losses. This leads me to believe that creating a lower profile box and reducing dead airspace would be very advantageous. Is that correct? Thanks again, Take care, Ken

Re: [Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector

2005-09-20 Thread David Miller
Ken Dunn wrote: On 9/20/05, *Zeke Yewdall* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best collectors are actually vaccuum tubes, to reduce convective losses. This leads me to believe that creating a lower profile box and reducing dead airspace would be very

Re: [Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector

2005-09-20 Thread Ken Dunn
On 9/20/05, David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It probably wouldn't make much difference.Windows need an inch or sobetween the panes for best R-value; less is not always better.There'sa point where more wouldn't be better either, and a wide range in between. If there were a way to evacuate even

Re: [Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector

2005-09-20 Thread David Miller
Ken Dunn wrote: On 9/20/05, *David Miller* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It probably wouldn't make much difference. Windows need an inch or so between the panes for best R-value; less is not always better. There's a point where more wouldn't be

Re: [Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector

2005-09-20 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I would echo David's comments. Go for a simple box with a glass lid, and good insulation on the back and sides. That'll probably get you to 60 - 80% as much energy capture as the good commercial units, at a quarter the cost. Even commercially produced windows with argon and such tend to leak

Re: [Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector

2005-09-20 Thread Ken Dunn
On 9/20/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although alot of the collectors have little vents in the top to let out moisture thatmakes it's way in somehow.Otherwise you get condensation inside theglass in the mornings. What about using silica desiccant gel to stabilize the humidity? Seems

Re: [Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector

2005-09-20 Thread Ken Dunn
Also, does anyone know what would be considered a good difference in outlet water temperature? For testing purposes, If I'm using water starting at 70F, what should I strive for? I plan to use an indirect system with non-toxic anti-freeze, so, I shouldn't be working with temps as low as 70F anyway

Re: [Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector

2005-09-20 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Collectors are usually quantified by the efficiency at a given temperature difference between ambient temp and average collector temp. Check out the SRCC website to see what different collectors generatlly come in at. Usually when running a closed loop glycol system with a heat exchanger in the

Re: [Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector

2005-09-20 Thread des
A scientific approach to this would be to eliminate the variables that can be eliminated, and keep records of those that can't be eliminated. For example, measuring ambient temperatures and comparing those to the temperatures in the collector will let you know to some degree what your

Re: [Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector

2005-09-20 Thread Ken Dunn
On 9/20/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out the SRCC website to see what different collectorsgenerally come in at. Hmmm - http://www.solar-rating.org/ - Great site! The rest is all good too. It all makes sense after I put some thought into it. Thanks, Take care, Ken

Re: [Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector

2005-09-20 Thread Ken Dunn
On 9/20/05, des [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A scientific approach to this would be to eliminate the variables thatcan be eliminated, and keep records of those that can't be eliminated.For example, measuring ambient temperatures and comparing those to the temperatures in the collector will let you

Re: [Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector

2005-09-20 Thread Appal Energy
FSEC (Florida Solar Energy Center) has been around for decades. They're into a lot more than just solar and have a cornucopia for a library for anyone who finds themself in their area. On 9/20/05, *Zeke Yewdall* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out the SRCC

Re: [Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector

2005-09-20 Thread Ken Dunn
On 9/20/05, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FSEC (Florida Solar Energy Center) has been around for decades. They'reinto a lot more than just solar and have a cornucopia for a library foranyone who finds themself in their area. Excellent! Thanks, Take care, Ken