Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-03-02 Thread Keith Addison
I notice you didn't respond to this - the discussion on your claim that the end of fossil fuels will mean the end of the fight against world hunger (below). You have to do some studying Greg, you've got this all wrong... So here's a bit more for you.

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-03-02 Thread Greg Harbican
Sorry about the delay, I been busy with illness and the furnace installation. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 12:51 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science Hello Greg

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-03-02 Thread Greg Harbican
: Monday, February 28, 2005 15:47 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science Hello Greg and all. I disagree with some appreciation about the cost of flying because the fuel cost increase that you wrote As such, the cost of flying would skyrocket. Refering to flying

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-03-02 Thread Keith Addison
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science Hello Greg and all. I disagree with some appreciation about the cost of flying because the fuel cost increase that you wrote As such, the cost of flying would skyrocket. Refering to flying in an airplane, it is possible

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-03-02 Thread bob allen
in the cost of flying. - Original Message - From: Juan Boveda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 15:47 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science Hello Greg and all. I disagree with some appreciation about the cost of flying

RE: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-28 Thread Juan Boveda
but a buch of crap/junk science [snip] I think that I explained it a little better above.Perhaps a little more: In order to sequester 200 yrs of CO2, I thing that extreme measures will have to be taken. Fossil fuel will have to be rationed, and while ships might be able to get away

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-24 Thread Greg Harbican
Sorry for not getting back sooner, it's been a little hectic in the last couple of days. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:10 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-24 Thread Keith Addison
Best wishes Keith An important point which often gets missed is that we are adding to the atmosphere gases of known properties: they cause the atmosphere to retain heat. And, if the atmosphere didn't already contain gases which retain heat, the Earth would be very much colder than it is.

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-24 Thread Keith Addison
I'll snip most of this... Couple of points: I've never heard anyone but you proposing that we need to sequester the last 200 years of human carbon emissions. snip OTOH, I am sure, that there is currently a disturbing trend, that needs to be delt with, be it short term or long term.

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-23 Thread bob allen
] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:18 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote: Sorry Mike Actually most CO2 emissions come from Decomposing Plant material. That is immaterial. Those emissions are essentially steady state

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-23 Thread Greg Harbican
for is a slowed rate increase in atmospheric CO2 and other greenhouse gasses. Greg H. - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 19:09 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science Greg, the carbon released

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-23 Thread Keith Addison
years after the fire has occurred. Greg H. - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:18 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-23 Thread Greg Harbican
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 07:29 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science In one form or another yes, but which form, and for how long? That is a big part

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-23 Thread dwoodard
An important point which often gets missed is that we are adding to the atmosphere gases of known properties: they cause the atmosphere to retain heat. And, if the atmosphere didn't already contain gases which retain heat, the Earth would be very much colder than it is. There are many secondary

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-23 Thread Keith Addison
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 07:29 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science I am keeping the perspective, the carbon was around in one form or another for that entire

RE: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-22 Thread Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)
, February 18, 2005 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science Hi Mark, You said: Kyoto is based on mostly Junk Science ...tell ya what Mark -- Since most of the emissions from our civilization comes from the burning of fossil fuels, here's

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-22 Thread bob allen
, February 18, 2005 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science Hi Mark, You said: Kyoto is based on mostly Junk Science ...tell ya what Mark -- Since most of the emissions from our civilization comes from the burning of fossil fuels

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-22 Thread Ken Provost
On Feb 22, 2005, at 9:32 AM, Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote: Sorry Mike Actually most CO2 emissions come from Decomposing Plant material. It is amazing what pointing out simple Off subject issues in a post will do. Decomposing plant material is carbon-neutral, of course, and therefore

RE: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-22 Thread Michael Redler
, February 18, 2005 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science Hi Mark, You said: Kyoto is based on mostly Junk Science ...tell ya what Mark -- Since most of the emissions from our civilization comes from the burning of fossil fuels, here's

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-22 Thread Greg Harbican
. - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:31 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science Decomposing plant material is carbon-neutral, of course, and therefore completely irrelevant

Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

2005-02-19 Thread Michael Redler
Hi Mark, You said: Kyoto is based on mostly Junk Science ...tell ya what Mark -- Since most of the emissions from our civilization comes from the burning of fossil fuels, here's a little experiment you can do at home. 1.) Get yourself a chain saw and bring it with you into your bathroom