Bravo "Info" AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "info" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:29 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Kyoto - a start but far from perfect..was Kyoto- nothingbut a buch of > > > > > > Kyoto sets up a legally binding agreement between the countries that have signed on. (140) > This obliges U.S corps to upgrade their operations to conform to the new regulations in place > in the signee country that they are doing business in. So if they can clean up their acts there, they can do it at home as well. 18 U.S. states and counting, major U.S. and Canadian pension plans and others have > been jumping on the bandwagon. What are these 'junk science' studies that are sited. > If you search long enough, you can find all sorts of 'studies' to deny that human activity > is effecting the climate, all is well, oil will last forever etc etc. > > The accord is an opportunity for helping to create millions of jobs and > tapping a trillion $(s) market for alternative energy tech, emission control, energy efficiency, products-services, > biofuels, hybrid vehicles and hundreds of related industries. > There has never been a better time for these technologies to enter the market mainstream and obtain economies of scale needed to continue to bring costs down. > China, India, U.S. and others are not included this time so it is far from > perfect but to be fair even they have realised that 'business can't go on as usual anymore'. > What it does do is give countries a frame work to think beyond 2012, > to hopefully include every one in a fair agreement and how we find ways/means to adapt to > climate change. With expected huge increases in the earths energy intensity > in the coming years, we are going to require every manner of innovative clean technologies > to even put a dent in what we need to run this place without poisoning it. > > > > > > Get your daily alternative energy news > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid > > news resources forums > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy > > > > Alternative Energy Politics > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: "Thompson, Mark L. (PNB R&D)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of > > > Sent: 18 Feb 2005 18:29:06 > > > snip > > Kyoto is based on mostly Junk Science. Simulations that can't even > > predict better than random number generators. > > Hockey stick temperature graphs that the author will not even provide > > source data or equations for. > > Stratospherically temperatures that are running opposite to GW models. > > > > Kyoto is going to be economic suicide and I predict that most of Europe > > is going to figure it out and > > run as fast as they can. I give it 3-5 years then UK and Russia are > > going to jump ship. > > > > It also will not effect the US since we never signed the treaty. > > > > Just Random thoughts. > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > Re: "Kyoto is nothing more than a means for the > > government in power to syphon from the tax payer > > billions of dollars for their friends and has very > > little to do with global warming. It also helps those countries that do > > not have a supply of fossil to gain a competitive edge." > > > > I understand your feelings. However, in my San Joaquin > > Valley basin the "worsening air pollution" are now > > making my regional area LESS competitive. Housing is > > relatively inexpensive compared to Bay area and LA, > > yes, but the resulting congestion and bad urban > > planning is contributing to increase PM, Ozone, and > > extreme air pollution warnins. It was not always this > > way. My once former beautiful San Joaquin Valley > > Basin is now the most air polluted and soon the most > > water polluted basin in the United States and has the > > third or fourth highest poverty rate and some of the > > highest drug rates in the nation. One reason why I > > moved to the Bay Area but still volunteer my time in > > San Joaquin Valley. > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > -------Original Message------- > > Get your daily alternative energy news > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid > > news resources forums > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy > > > > Alternative Energy Politics > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
