Hey
While I really don't care, but when did the Italians lay claim to and/or
give such a high falutin' name to what previously was refereed to; blowing
the cobs out? Italian tune up, I don't see the term catching on around
here :)
Doug
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Italian tuneups are an occasional full throttle run. Not always
needed or desirable for fastest acceleration.
If black smoke on less that full throttle, and lots of it, check air
filter, injectors, etc. then adjust driving habits to minimize.
So, high rpm, not necessarily flat-out
onee also,
If you park next to a propane refueling depot, and there is propane in the
air, the engine can runaway. Same thing can happen with worn rings. The
engine will pull oil from the sump and take off until something breaks or
oil runs out.
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If you park next to a propane refueling depot, and there is propane in the air,
the engine can runaway. Same thing can happen with worn rings. The engine
will pull oil from the sump and take off until something breaks or oil runs out.
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Jeff wrote:
I have heard of
and it makes a big difference.
mel
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let~s consider nitrous oxide and the diesel, or more correctly
Always check the packaging. I have a box of the naphtha variety sitting next
to me (in a ziplock baggy).
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let~s consider nitrous oxide and the diesel, or more correctly, the
turbo-diesel. To begin, a turbo-diesel has no air throttle. It is free to
intake
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1)The alcohol and water would for the most part
evaporate, cooling and
densifying the air. Depending
Jeff wrote:
I have heard of truck drivers talk about getting propane in the air intake of
their diesel engine. One driver I talk to told me of a time when this other
truck driver smelled some propane and didn't think nothing of it. He went and
turn off his engine as quick as he could. The
1)The alcohol and water would for the most part
evaporate, cooling and
densifying the air. Depending on the conditions,
it would do so more
effectively than a intercooler.
2)What alcohol does not evaporate, would enter
the cylinders (
combustion chamber ), and the alcohol
Tractor pullers do this in the highly modified class ,you can see the
exhaust change color when they add the water
Ken
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Teoman
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All diesels
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Hi all,
This method of cleaning out the crud sounds similar to a technique used
up here in Canada for cleaning out the soot
moth balls (naphtha) have been put in air cleaners for added oomph, but I
wouldn't recommend it.
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Hi all
Hi all,
This method of cleaning out the crud sounds similar to a technique used
up here in Canada for cleaning out the soot from an oil fired stove in a
fishing ice hut. Start the oil stove, bring it up to a hot heat, then
throw in a dozen moth balls. The stove will then start sucking in as
Comments below.
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Maybe have the O2 injection
proportional to throttle position or since its a turbo
you could
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All diesels do that, because, the engine is working harder, so more fuel
is
added to compensate. Black smoke is also an indication of fuel burning
in
the exhaust manifold, which is also bad. Lots of black smoke
How about what Ed Beggs calls an Italian tune-up? (Pardon me Ed.)
What's the general opinion of Italian tune-ups anyway?
Usually done to carburetted gasoline engines. Idea is that the high
revs create large volume flow through the system, burning/blowing out
any accumulated crud and carbon
If you are going to do it be you have to make sure
that the O2 is injected as directly as possible into
the combustion chamber or some of the more drastic
(overeactions) may prove true, probably best into the
intake manifold, after the . You also need a very
tight control system to manage it as
as well.
Greg H.
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Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:48
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Yet another of my random and crazy questions,
It bothers me that my diesel puts out black smoke when
From: Teoman Naskali [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:37:19 +0100
My engine is a 2.5 liter turbo charged Hyundai starex 98 engine ( I have
heard that the Mitsubishi 2.5 l engine
In the UK we have an annual test, the MOT, part of
this is a smoke test, common advice for cars that fail
the smoke test is to and give it the itallian,
filling up with Bio is also useful as it cleans the
fuel system and burns cleaner. Just drive at highway
speeds (60mph, 100kph = 4.5kRPM) in
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:23:42 EDT
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Hi, Teoman,
I recommend you check out this web site:
http://www.tdiclub.comwww.tdiclub.com Visit the forums, and you
will get more diesel knowledge than you can handle. (I just got
My engine is a 2.5 liter turbo charged Hyundai starex 98 engine ( I have
heard that the Mitsubishi 2.5 l engine is the same but without a turbo)
. It is rated at 85 hp.
The van itself weighs 2 tons, and can take up to 12 people. It usually
spits out more smoke when loaded.
Anyway, the smoke
September 2004 02:19
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All diesels do that, because, the engine is working harder, so more fuel
is
added to compensate. Black smoke is also an indication of fuel burning
in
the exhaust manifold, which is also bad. Lots
i've never heard of this 'italian tune up' but i guess
if an injector gets clogged then pushing more volume
thru it could affect it. i don't know much of the
theory at all.
tho if i have an issue like this with a diesel that
isn't being pushed you can bet i'll try it! it's too
easy and cheap to
: Teoman Naskali [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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: Yet another of my random and crazy questions,
:
: It bothers me that my diesel puts out black smoke when it starts or is
: going up a steep hill
.
Greg H.
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Yet another of my random and crazy questions,
It bothers me that my diesel puts out black smoke when
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Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:48 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input
: Yet another of my random and crazy questions,
:
: It bothers me that my diesel puts out black smoke when it starts or is
: going up a steep hill.
:
: I recently discovered an oxygen
Hi Teoman ;
A correctly operating diesel should not put out lots
of black smoke. Of course a little is normal.
During starting and under load it is normal to see
increasing black smoke. In your case, if the black
smoke is only when starting and going up a hill, it
may be normal. I have
Interesting idea but... you get black smoke for the
reason you describe because the engine is tuned for
emissions under 'normal' operating conditions not high
load. When under high load it over fuels. Adding
oxygen to the mix would help but how are you going to
do it so its not there all the
the answer to your question.
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Yet another of my random and crazy questions,
It bothers
in an oxygen rich
environment. Oxygen is no joke.
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Yet another of my random and crazy
Keith
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Yet another of my random and crazy questions,
It bothers me that my diesel puts out black smoke when it starts or is
going up a steep hill.
I recently discovered an oxygen tank in our basement probably
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From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:19 PM
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All diesels do that, because, the engine is working harder, so more fuel
is
added to compensate. Black smoke is also
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Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input
All diesels do that, because, the engine is working harder, so more fuel
is
added to compensate. Black smoke is also an indication of fuel burning in
the exhaust manifold, which is also bad
What's the general opinion of Italian tune-ups anyway?
By the way, all, how many have heard of the Italian tuneup? You see it
mentioned a lot on the Merc discussion groups, as at the terrific resource
at www.mbz.org
It is really indispensable on all these diesels - basically it's take the
Yet another of my random and crazy questions,
It bothers me that my diesel puts out black smoke when it starts or is
going up a steep hill.
I recently discovered an oxygen tank in our basement probably for my
greatgrandfather.
The black smoke means that there is an incomplete reaction
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