Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-12-11 Thread Walker Bennett
Hakan, I don't think that a majority were responsible for the reselection of the current administration, but the facts show that there was severe hanky-panky between the manufacturers of the various voting machines. What you're about to witness is an event similar to November 1917...only this tim

[Biofuel] THE RISE OF AMERICA'S NEW ENEMY

2005-11-23 Thread bmolloy
  Hi All,    Forget Iraq, take a look at what John Pilger sees happening just south of the border.   Regards, Bob. THE RISE OF AMERICA'S NEW ENEMY I was dropped at Paradiso, the last middle-class area before barrio La Vega, which spills into a ravine as if by the force of

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-14 Thread Joe Street
Hear Hear!! Ken Provost wrote: On Nov 12, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Hakan Falk wrote: I feel sorry for the minority of Americans, who take a stand against what is going on. This shameful period and loss of trust that US is going through now, will take a very long time to repair.

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-14 Thread Joe Street
Hoooray for meltdown.  Bring it on! :-) :-) Signed,  The Fairorist Doug Foskey wrote: Hakan, I think you are correct. It is only a matter of time until the US reaches (economic) meltdown. A country can only plunder resources for so long. History shows that equilibrium will be restor

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-14 Thread Joe Street
Good Lord Mike give your head a shake! How many people were screaming that there were no WMD but it was brushed asside. Have a listen to George Galloway's diatribe for example. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: >help work on one. The Bush administration finally told us to >stick it. Finally, the for

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-14 Thread Mike Weaver
So what? As long as Nascar is on what's the big deal? Freedom hater. Zeke Yewdall wrote: >>The US may already be reaching that meltdown. The huge and growing poor >>population seem to attest to that. >> >> >> > >We saw it for the first time (at least in the national media for a >while) aft

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-14 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Kenji >Doug, > >The US may already be reaching that meltdown. The huge and growing poor >population seem to attest to that. > >Other than a mighty military industry and its spin-offs, the only >substantial investment occuring in the US is speculative, mostly on >foreign markets. > >Of cours

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-14 Thread Zeke Yewdall
> > The US may already be reaching that meltdown. The huge and growing poor > population seem to attest to that. > We saw it for the first time (at least in the national media for a while) after Katrina. The rampant social inequity that all of the developed countries have typically done a rather

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-14 Thread Kenji James Fuse
Doug, The US may already be reaching that meltdown. The huge and growing poor population seem to attest to that. Other than a mighty military industry and its spin-offs, the only substantial investment occuring in the US is speculative, mostly on foreign markets. Of course we are not too near t

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-13 Thread Mike Weaver
The only problem is we'll take most of the world with us. Makes our actions even more irresponsible. Doug Foskey wrote: >Hakan, > I think you are correct. It is only a matter of time until the US reaches >(economic) meltdown. A country can only plunder resources for so long. >History shows t

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-13 Thread Mike Weaver
Well, I'm upset, but I don't want to give up my SUV and my giant house. You heard the president - it's all about US. Besides, Europe always falls into line behind consumerism. Not too mention, look at the rougue's gallery associated with the Oil for Food program. Europe loves to shriek about

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-13 Thread Doug Foskey
Hakan, I think you are correct. It is only a matter of time until the US reaches (economic) meltdown. A country can only plunder resources for so long. History shows that equilibrium will be restored eventually. regards Doug On Sunday 13 November 2005 7:28, Hakan Falk wrote: > Ken, > > The sp

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-13 Thread Hakan Falk
Ken, The spot markets are in Belgium and Netherlands. For oil in Belgium and they trade in $. Last one who seriously tried with oil in Euro, was Saddam H. and Iraq was invaded. LOL Do not worry, it will come anyway. Jeans are not made in US and to boycott corporations, who in most cases are wi

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-13 Thread Ken Provost
On Nov 12, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Hakan Falk wrote: > I feel sorry for the minority of Americans, who take a stand > against what is going on. This shameful period and loss of > trust that US is going through now, will take a very long > time to repair. Excellent. Glad to hear it! So I assume this

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-13 Thread Mike Weaver
Actually, I think the US point is incidental. Does anyone have any proof that Hugo Chavez is guilty of anything other than being friends with Castro? It is well-known that Castro has a rotten civil rights record, but then so does China and the US is happy to do business with them. I have not

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-13 Thread Mike Weaver
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2697 Appal Energy wrote: >Congratulations Mike! > >You win the door prize for making that astute observation. :-) > >Truth doesn't matter. Proof doesn't matter. Only the claim matters in >this day and age. > >You see sir, it's far easier to destroy something t

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-13 Thread Kenji James Fuse
Chavez has said un-American things like he will sell oil and gas to poor Americans for dirt cheap, and of course his offers of help after Katrina were denied by the government. Hopefully the anti-free trade movement down there will soon make its way through the US to Canada...Hopefully Chavez wil

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-13 Thread Hakan Falk
Mike, Is it US in the meaning of we, or is it US administration in the meaning of they? It seams that you are fishing for others opinion, in order to build your own opinion. My opinion is that I have never seen such a despicable US administration before and they are trowing out any kind of accu

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-12 Thread Appal Energy
Congratulations Mike! You win the door prize for making that astute observation. :-) Truth doesn't matter. Proof doesn't matter. Only the claim matters in this day and age. You see sir, it's far easier to destroy something than it is to construct it or maintain it and you can get more mileage

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-12 Thread Mike Weaver
That wasn't the question. The question was whether or not any of the claims were true. You are raising a different point. Chris lloyd wrote: >>Has the US come up with any proof that Chavez is actually guilty of >>anything they are accusing him off? < >> >> > >I did not think proof of gui

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-12 Thread Mike Weaver
You are conflating two different things. My question was, and is, is there any proof of the claims the US is making? Your point is a different one. Appal Energy wrote: >You forget Young Master Weaver. The US doesn't believe it needs proof of >anything before acting. > >Todd Swearingen > > >

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-12 Thread Mike Weaver
The US has made some pretty serious claims - I was wondering if anyone had actually seen or read anything that would prove them. It sounds to me a lot like Castro, because he is rotten on human rights, therefore he also guilty of X, XX and XXX. Hakan Falk wrote: >Mike, > >I think that it migh

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-12 Thread Hakan Falk
Mike, I think that it might be the accusation of that he is selling some of the US oil in the Venezuelan earth to China. US think that it is already enough that China is using the US oil in Chinese territory, already that proves that China is too energy demanding. Now Canada made some deals

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-12 Thread Chris lloyd
> Has the US come up with any proof that Chavez is actually guilty of > anything they are accusing him off? < I did not think proof of guilt was a requirement before action is taken these days. If whatever you are doing (or not doing) is not in Bush's interest you are targeted. Even the UK got

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-12 Thread Appal Energy
You forget Young Master Weaver. The US doesn't believe it needs proof of anything before acting. Todd Swearingen >Has the US come up with any proof that Chavez is actually guilty of >anything they are accusing him off? > >Keith Addison wrote: > > > >>"While the world looks to Iran and Syria

Re: [Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-12 Thread Mike Weaver
Has the US come up with any proof that Chavez is actually guilty of anything they are accusing him off? Keith Addison wrote: >"While the world looks to Iran and Syria for the next Bush attack, >Venezuelans know they may well be next. On 17 March, the Washington >Post reported that Feliz Rodr’

[Biofuel] The Rise Of America's New Enemy

2005-11-12 Thread Keith Addison
"While the world looks to Iran and Syria for the next Bush attack, Venezuelans know they may well be next. On 17 March, the Washington Post reported that Feliz Rodr’guez, "a former CIA operative well-connected to the Bush family" had taken part in the planning of the assassination of the Presi