Re: [Biofuel] permanent magnet alternators

2006-12-08 Thread doug swanson
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Re: [Biofuel] permanent magnet alternators

2006-12-08 Thread Joe Street
Read that page carefully! It says the alternator can produce 12 Kwat 18,000 RPM!!! Good luck spiniing that thing that fast. I'm sure the bearings would catch fire if the whole thing doesn't explode first. Speeds that high require incredible balancing and air bearing spindles.

Re: [Biofuel] permanent magnet alternators

2006-12-08 Thread robert and benita rabello
Joe Street wrote: Read that page carefully! It says the alternator can produce 12 Kwat 18,000 RPM!!! Good luck spiniing that thing that fast. I'm sure the bearings would catch fire if the whole thing doesn't explode first. Speeds that high require incredible balancing and air

Re: [Biofuel] permanent magnet alternators

2006-12-08 Thread Hakan Falk
Joe, How much are they spinning in a car? To me it looks like the wheel on the alternator is much smaller than the wheel on the car engine, could it be 1 to 4 or more? 4,000 rpm for the car engine is quite usual, so the alternator can not be far from 18,000 in normal conditions. Just a

Re: [Biofuel] permanent magnet alternators

2006-12-08 Thread Joe Street
Hi Hakan; I bet the pulley on the crankshaft is less than twice the alternator's pulley diameter. Also the amount of time your engine is reving above 2500 rpm is short compared to the normal. Anyways they talk about low losses but the gearbox required to turn the alternator that fast would

Re: [Biofuel] permanent magnet alternators

2006-12-08 Thread Hakan Falk
Joe, Twice the diameter, would be close to 1 to 4, right (THE SQUARE OF 2)? Agree that 2,500 might be close to normal speed. That would be something like 10,000 rpm for the alternator at normal speed. Talking about that the alternator would explode at 18,000 rpm is maybe an overstatement?

Re: [Biofuel] permanent magnet alternators

2006-12-08 Thread Joe Street
Hi Hakan; If the diameter of the pulley is doubled the circumference is doubled. Not 4 times. You must be thinking of area. Now if you double the diameter on a wind turbine you do get 4 times the power. Is this what you were thinking of? If a 3 meter turbine produces 1kw ( a safe guess

Re: [Biofuel] permanent magnet alternators

2006-12-08 Thread Hakan Falk
Joe, Yes I got messed up with language, circumference, area and wind speed, because circumference is not really interesting. Regarding relations between area and wind speed, you have a table on my site. If you double the circumference the area goes up with the quadrate and if you double the

Re: [Biofuel] permanent magnet alternators

2006-12-08 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Commercially produced microturbines typically run at 20,000rpm or higher (I think some are 100,000rpm). Check out Capstone's website http://www.microturbine.com/prodsol/techtour/index.asp Perhaps that alternator is made for that but probably not. On 12/8/06, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] permanent magnet alternators

2006-12-08 Thread Doug Foskey
Hi, to my mind, a car alternator will rev about 2-4 times the engine revs. The size of the alternator pulley is about 50mm the crank pulley is 100-125mm. This gives 2+. A car alternator will rev fairly high, because the rotor diameter is only small: about 80mm from guess. Usually the slower

Re: [Biofuel] permanent magnet alternators

2006-12-08 Thread Kirk McLoren
automotive alternators run at 2 to 3 times crank speed. Look at the relative size of the pulleys. Kirk Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe, Yes I got messed up with language, circumference, area and wind speed, because circumference is not really interesting. Regarding relations

[Biofuel] permanent magnet alternators

2006-12-07 Thread Kirk McLoren
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