MH,
Yes, but it was a question more meant to get Steve to
understand what a democracy is. That all of the below
are parliamentary democracies with different kind of
system. Monarchy or Republic, does not necessary
exclude that the country or federation is "ruled by the
people". How good the diff
Hi Hakan,
Is this what you meant?
> What is UK then?
constitutional monarchy.*
The country is a parliamentary democratic monarchy.**
> What is Canada then?
confederation with parliamentary democracy.*
The country is a federal parliamentary democratic state with the
Brit
they would.
Odd critters humans.
Todd Swearingen
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Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 1:06 PM
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> And this is better than creating a traffic jam on an inters
And this is better than creating a traffic jam on an interstate so the
likely suburban voters of
your opponent will not make it home in time to vote?
Atleast with 'the list', it is given to the counties, and they can use them
or not .
If there is no one stepping forward that said "X person paid
> I can see that you enjoy this data as much as I do.
> It is very interesting and give valuable information and
> directions. If one want to influence politics, politicians
> and do a good energy plan, it is a must to learn from
> this data.
It certainly gives a broader perspective.
> Regard
sher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Your 'guy' LOST! Get over it!
> Tom Fisher
> Dallas,TX
>
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> From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROT
Your 'guy' LOST! Get over it!
Tom Fisher
Dallas,TX
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> So which part are you denying Steve? The part t
ething as prevalent as a "fact."
Todd Swearingen
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> In addition to considering the source? Extraordi
Spence
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> >cute, but false.
>
> According to whom, based upon what?
>
> If it's just your opinion vs the research and investigations of Greg
> Palast and his team, all very amply corroborated, well of course
> you&#x
Mh,
I can see that you enjoy this data as much as I do.
It is very interesting and give valuable information and
directions. If one want to influence politics, politicians
and do a good energy plan, it is a must to learn from
this data.
Regarding ranking of industrialized countries, it is
based
ives and end games of the radical right
of any flavor who combine politcs with their factory French toast and
synthetic maple syrup.
Todd Swearingen
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Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 11:20 PM
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> MH,
>
> Thanks, I cannot spend to much time reading at the
> moment (one eyed with pain).
Your welcome and thank you for this interesting
thread and the spin-off. I'm hoping your recovery
is quick.
> It makes sense if
> traditional is basically equal to some renewable. No
> wonder that
MH,
Thanks, I cannot spend to much time reading at the
moment (one eyed with pain). It makes sense if
traditional is basically equal to some renewable. No
wonder that Sweden was warned for having
"unbalanced" markets. Being the 11th industrial
nation. it must worry the oil interests.
Sweden sti
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>From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 10:40 PM
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>
>
> > >Bush was not elected on a rigged election. He was elected by the
>electoral
>
Perhaps Todd, but it seems as though "every" time you mention the wrongs in
this country, you seem to imply that somehow, the "BS" of Judeo-Christianity
is somehow involved. And intended or not ... it still kinda "irks" me.
While true that a lot of "BS" has been known to occur in the ... ahem ..
m: "csakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 9:54 PM
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> This debate epitomizes the only two choices we seem to be given in life.
>
> Either Bush was right, rightly elected, and
This debate epitomizes the only two choices we seem to be given in life.
Either Bush was right, rightly elected, and doing-the-right in the Corporate
taking of Iraq's natural oil resources in order to "rent" it to us at the
most blood-squeezing (sucking??) price.
OR ... You can follow Todd (only
> I do not either, but will try to find out. It must
> be something with the definition of "Traditional".
> Sweden is very good on energy saving, have
> a lot of electricity generation with hydro and
> nuclear, uses a lot of heating oil. It must be
> somewhere in this mix, that give this surprisin
Yah sure. Tell it to Limbaugh. Even he would laugh you out of the room.
Todd Swearingen
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> cute, but fals
ot;Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> A fresh election is not legal. We have to follow law. BTW, A number of
> colleges went back and did count all the votes later, and Bush still
il 12, 2003 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
> >Bush was not elected on a rigged election. He was elected by the
electoral
> >college, per the design of our government.
> >
> >There was nothing improper about the election except the democrats
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Martin,
I also want to add, on a more personal level, that I have a large respect
for Steve and his activities with biofuels. I also find that I have many
issues where I agree with Steve. However, I cannot agree with his
perception of my country nor can I agree with his perception of democrac
Martin,
Please read the whole thread to se how it started. It is
not only Americans that have the right to respond on
on offending and ignorant remarks. Steve did almost
everything except but provide accurate information.
Hakan
At 01:02 AM 4/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Hakan,
>I find your appe
The worst part of the whole bullshit mess was how the
Democrats rolled over liked kicked dogs (nothing but a
wimper). How could anyone with a sense of fair play be
against a revote, when there were so many discrepancies.
Our Forefathers must be turning over in there graves.
If this continues, Rep
Hakan,
I find your appetite for telling people they're wrong offensive when
Steve is doing nothing but providing information.
Good day
"Prepared under the direction of the Chief of Staff."
http://www.worldnewsstand.net/freedom/democracy.htm
"Robert Dahl, Professor of Political Science Emerit
a more level edge on that
slant of yours before you again try and present such hack-kneed fiction as
"fact" the next time.
Maybe you can get away with it at private tea parties. But not in a public
forum.
Todd Swearingen
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On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:04, you wrote:
> Bush was not elected on a rigged election. He was elected by the electoral
> college, per the design of our government.
>
> There was nothing improper about the election except the democrats attempt
> to change law to cook the numbers.
>
> Funny they had no
> I guess my point is that we certainly have our own problems. We aren't
> doing a particularly good job of taking care of our own doorstep. We don't
> need to preach to any other county about how they keep their doorsteps
> clean. They might have some socialism in Sweden. Our system certainly is
ence
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>
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>
8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
> On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 04:00, you wrote:
> > A democracy is mob rule. A republic is democracy with a constitution
that
> > specifies what limits the mob has. our 3 way system of government is set
up
> > with checks and
I do not either, but will try to find out. It must
be something with the definition of "Traditional".
Sweden is very good on energy saving, have
a lot of electricity generation with hydro and
nuclear, uses a lot of heating oil. It must be
somewhere in this mix, that give this surprising
result. I
On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 04:00, you wrote:
> A democracy is mob rule. A republic is democracy with a constitution that
> specifies what limits the mob has. our 3 way system of government is set up
> with checks and balances that prevent any one group from over ruling the
> rights of others. It's quite
On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 01:03, you wrote:
> socialist as in high taxes and the government provides everything for you,
> cradle to grave. not my cup of tea, but it works for them I suppose. I
> believe if you won't feed yourself, you have no right forcing your neighbor
> to feed you. If he chooses to
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> >
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> Steve,
>
> By the way democracy comes from the Greek
> word demos = population, people and
> kratein = rule
>
> An other tip,
>
> Democracy (demokratein = peopl
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>
> Steve,
>
> You are jumping about 2,000 years in the history
use a search engine too. This is basic knowledge.
> >
> >Steve Spence
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> >To:
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> >
> >
> > >
> > > and none of them are democracies?
> > >
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>
> and none of them are democracies?
>
> Hakan
>
> At 02:47 PM 4/1
A true democracy is one in which every person votes on legislation and
matters dealing with the government.
So no, there are very few models of true democracy.
Hakan Falk wrote:
>and none of them are democracies?
>
>Hakan
>
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>
> >
> > What is UK then? - constitutional monarchy
> > What is Canada then? - con
2:21 PM
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>
> What is UK then? - constitutional monarchy
> What is Canada then? - confederation with parliamentary democracy
> What is Australia then? - democratic, federal-state system recognizing the
British monarch as sovereign
>
eared. It still is and will continue to be so.
> > >
> > >Your "logic" is broken.
> > >
> > >Steve Spence
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Doug,
I think that you hit something, when you talked about taxes.
Using taxes for redistribution of wealth, was something that
was introduced in Sweden in late 1950's and 1960's. It was
and idea that Olof Palme picked up from the US democrats,
when he studied in the US during 1950's.
US also h
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some tell it, it's the best
system money can buy.
Todd Swearingen
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> socialist as in high taxes and the go
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> Dear Steve,
>
> We discussed democracy, not party politics. I
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>
> > >I would not consider a socialist country like Sweden t
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>
> Steve,
>
> I think that you are repeating US propag
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 11:10 PM
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> On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:19, you wrote:
> > Is that "Socialist" with a curled lip, or is that "socialist" as in a
> > nation that takes care of its people rather
> > I expected to hear from you, after reading the links
> > I gave you, especially if you looked at this document,
> >
> > http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2002/en/pdf/backone.pdf
> > Human developing index
Sorry folks, I made a mistake but now corrected below.
> 27 Womenâs political parti
> I expected to hear from you, after reading the links
> I gave you, especially if you looked at this document,
>
> http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2002/en/pdf/backone.pdf
> Human developing index
This and the other links are new to me.
I'm a bit overwhelmed. Thank you Hakan.
> If you g
On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:19, you wrote:
> Is that "Socialist" with a curled lip, or is that "socialist" as in a
> nation that takes care of its people rather than throwing them to the
> bottom feeders?
>
> In far more instances than not it's better than a representative democracy
> where anyone can
I agree. It's not salt solutions that were found with troops;
therefore, they probably were not preparing for the need to have
some water pumped into them, just in case they got too much sun.
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 00:30:10 +0200
From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Digest Nu
- where "one man one vote" can be
superceded by access and purchase power.
Todd Swearingen
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> I wo
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> >
> > MH,
> >
> > I expected to hear from you, after reading the links
> > I gave you, especially if you looked at this document,
&
What about the tax cuts benefitting the top percentage of individuals,
tax loop-holes for off-shore corporations, oh.. and the $1,125 per
taxpayer war?
There are better ways to allocate money. This isn't about politics -
Republicans and Democrats both allocate money for their friends. Ending
s
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>
> >
> > MH,
> >
> > I expected to hear from you, after reading the links
> > I gave you, especially if you looked at this document,
> >
>
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So taking the survey for what it is...
90% of all countries are either 'better' than Sweden
or worse that the US...
10% off doesn't sound too shabby..
hardly all that bad,
and certainly not "far closer"
Thats like saying you have a VW Jetta that gets 55 mpg
and I have a Automatic version tha
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>
> MH,
>
> I ex
MH,
I expected to hear from you, after reading the links
I gave you, especially if you looked at this document,
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2002/en/pdf/backone.pdf
Human developing index
If you go through it, you will find that the "Swedish democracy"
is superior than the "American demo
MH,
http://www.transparency.org/cpi/2002/cpi2002.en.html
Sorry, 2001 list the Netherlands was on shared 5 with Sweden,
now it is Singapore.
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2002/en/pdf/backone.pdf
Human developing index
http://hdr.undp.org/reports/default.cfm
Human development reports.
Haka
> I had a moment filled with laugh and anger when I looked
> at an CNN interview with a high ranking US official. This
> enlightened idiot said "it is one thing to bring democracy
> to a country like Sweden, but more difficult to a country
> like Iraq". As democracy Sweden is known as one of the
>
I had a moment filled with laugh and anger when I looked
at an CNN interview with a high ranking US official. This
enlightened idiot said "it is one thing to bring democracy
to a country like Sweden, but more difficult to a country
like Iraq". As democracy Sweden is known as one of the
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