My question to you is why ethanol? What drove you to select ethanol
as the replacement fuel source for this application
Hi Anti Fossil,
. Several reasons. First there is the danger of propane. Propane is a gas
that under pressure is a liquid. I admit I am too careless with propane. I
would like
, February 20, 2005 8:50 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Re: ethanol stove and barbeque
My question to you is why ethanol? What drove you to select ethanol
as the replacement fuel source for this application
Hi Anti Fossil,
. Several reasons. First there is the danger of propane. Propane is a gas
. The field of investigation is a wide one.
God Bless you and very best regards,
Luis
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Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:35 PM
Subject: re: [Biofuel] Re: ETHANOL USE IN DIESEL
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Subject: [Biofuel] Re: ETHANOL USE IN DIESEL ENGINES
http://www.sekab.se/eng/etamaxD.cfm
Etamax D
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/businessline/2001/07/11/stories/04
1167mu.htm
Alcohol in diesel engines -- Have
that last link is pretty interesting... I have heard of emulsion
systems that mix water with petrol-diesel. I wonder if an emulsion
system would work with ethanol and biodiesel?
If you visit our website www.gaianbioenergy.com you can read all of the
results we have from hydrated ethanol or
A message to the Forum:
Ethanol has proved its worth as a neat fuel for spark ingnited engines.
Brazil boasts around 4 million vehicles that
run on 100% ethanol. To further prove the reliability of neat ethanol
engines, Embraer in Brazil will put in service
within a few months its Ipanema
Etamax D
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/businessline/2001/07/11/stories/04
1167mu.htm
Alcohol in diesel engines -- Have technology, will travel -- policy permitting
http://www.saeindia.org/Home/alcoholindieselengines.html
Euro norms and beyond for automobiles - Alcohols In Diesel
http://www.saeindia.org/Home/alcoholindieselengines.html
Euro norms and beyond for automobiles - Alcohols In Diesel Engines
that last link is pretty interesting... I have heard of emulsion systems that
mix water with petrol-diesel. I wonder if an emulsion system would work with
ethanol and
Euro norms and beyond for automobiles - Alcohols In Diesel Engines
that last link is pretty interesting... I have heard of emulsion
systems that mix water with petrol-diesel. I wonder if an emulsion
system would work with ethanol and biodiesel?
Do you mean separately or together?
With
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Asunto: [Biofuel] Re: ETHANOL USE IN DIESEL ENGINES
A message to the Forum:
Ethanol has proved its worth as a neat fuel for spark ingnited engines.
Brazil boasts around 4 million vehicles that
run on 100% ethanol. To further prove the reliability of neat ethanol
engines, Embraer
Here is what I found a while back while looking at the water/diesel mix:
http://www.lubrizol.com/PuriNOx/default.asp
Lubrizol makes a product that aids the emulsion and its injected in all
together.
Do you mean separately or together?
With ethanol, 160-proof is a good fuel. With biodiesel,
http://www.lubrizol.com/PuriNOx/default.asp
Lubrizol makes a product that aids the emulsion and its injected in
all together.
That's dealt with in the archived message I referenced for you below,
and much besides. Just double-click on the url.
There's menion of a report there on Water in
My post was realy a comment on the shaping of the public by the media
and whoever is trying to push the point from behind the scenes (oil
companies?). It just is increcible to me that both sides of the story
were not portrayed in a equal manner and the benefits of using a
renewable form of
Hi,
I'm new here.
I put this same question to the USA's Hydrogen energy kzar's during
the MRS Spring Meeting in San Francisco. They were basically there
to recruit Academics and researchers into H2 RD.
I asked 'Why hydrogen, why not bio-derived alternatives?' the answer
was 'political' to
Hello Nick
My post was realy a comment on the shaping of the public by the media
and whoever is trying to push the point from behind the scenes (oil
companies?). It just is increcible to me that both sides of the story
were not portrayed in a equal manner and the benefits of using a
renewable
SNIP
Thanks for you reply Keith,
It helps to clear things up when the story comes out from more than
one source( this relates to other threads in this group too). Its
funny that Rob Carter from the NRMA is perpetuating the myth when
the NRMA was involved in the research paper from Apace
Dear jonathan,
If only it were so.. almost though as cars now can handle
E85..and there are some that are set up for E100 the fuel air
module is not adjustable however...performance would be erratic.
the ethanol fuel air modules are however available but its either -
or...at this
-
Hi,
Ecogenics has been distilling fuel and pharmaceutical grade ethanol
for thirty years now here in Sevierville Tennessee and is now
producing Biodiesel. At one point we were importing brazilian
general motors cars that could run on as low as 180 proof... we have
modified vartious
Hello John
You surprise me - I won't argue, but I've never before seen degrees
used with Brix measures, only percentages. I've been using a
refractometer for about 25 years, I've seen a lot of different
documents on refractometers and Brix measures, and this was the first
time I've seen
Keith Addison wrote:
Also, I really don't know what to make of your sales brochure, which
claims such high levels of expertise yet talks of 20 deg. Brix and
32-35 deg. Brix and so on. Brix levels are percentages, not degrees.
I have nothing to contribute on the thread as a whole, but I
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To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:13 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol from sugar
cane:Thebest and worst
technolgy
I being dedicated research worker in Brazil
with PhD in Biochemical
engineering from India about alcohol production
from biomass
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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:13 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol from sugar cane:Thebest and worst
technolgy
I being dedicated research worker in Brazil
Thank you very much
I am very glad to know about the product and process in your web site.
I wish your work also here in northeast .Please send your catalag to us
P.V.Pannirselvam
Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello
Your email was great. I have spent alot of
I being dedicated research worker in Brazil with PhD in Biochemical
engineering from India about alcohol production from biomass from one of the
best research center in Asia in 1980 , carefully following the state of art
this technology several decads,feel that the views of the
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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:13 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol from sugar cane:Thebest and worst
technolgy
I being dedicated research worker in Brazil with PhD in Biochemical
Hello
Your email was great. I have spent alot of time traveling to India and talking
with people in the Punjab area about the production of alcohol using our
distillers.
If you would be interested, I would be happy to send you our catalog for you to
look at.
If you are interested please
On January 13th, Keith wrote:
Luis, I've wanted to say so a few times in response to your posts -
IMO the big hole in your scheme is your exclusive concentration on
sugar. It's no use telling me that it's the best crop for this or
that reason or scores of reasons: THERE IS NO BEST CROP.
Luis R. Calzadilla wrote:
Wrong Keith:
You are wrong again Keith when you issue the following statement:
Wrong again, Keith when you utter:
Keith, who told you all the above?
Now, in reference to the yeast, you are wrong again, dear Keith:
Sorry Keith, but you have failed on all counts.
Luis R. Calzadilla wrote:
Dear Steve:
The financial success of a cane juice-to-ethanol project will depend
on a few key variables, such as:
1- Total fermentable sugars produced yearly per unit of land
2- Number of ratoons that can be harvested from each planting
3- Sugar cane production cost
, January 10, 2004 10:14 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol from sugar cane
With all of the changes in sugar imports and price supports..
Was wondering about setting up ethanol distillery for sugar cane in
south louisiana since this is a huge production area.
Anyone have any information
With all of the changes in sugar imports and price supports..
Was wondering about setting up ethanol distillery for sugar cane in
south louisiana since this is a huge production area.
Anyone have any information on places to go look for info
Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
on 1/3/04 12:26 PM, skillshare at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hell, let's just drive down to LA (on cheap biodiesel)
for the conference at the end of the month and pick
some up then. Save you a LOT of freight that way. Anyone
else in the Bay Area interested in this?
That'd be great! I
hell, let's just drive down to LA (on cheap biodiesel) for the
conference at the end of the month and pick some up then. Save
you a LOT of freight that way. Anyone else in the Bay Area
interested in this?
mark
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
on 1/2/04
on 1/2/04 9:34 PM, Dave Shaw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ken and James,
I wish that we'd got more accomplished with regards
to our ethanol deliveries. I'm finally getting a
shop space cleared out for my projects, so I'd be
willing to go in on a bulk buy... but what I'm
really
Somewhat related, and useful in any case:
Ethanol blended diesel (e-diesel) is a cleaner burning alternative
to regular diesel for both heavy-duty (HD) and light-duty (LD)
compression ignition (CI) engines used in buses, trucks, off-road
equipment, and passenger cars. Although ethanol has
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somewhat related, and useful in any case:
Ethanol blended diesel (e-diesel) is a cleaner burning alternative
to regular diesel for both heavy-duty (HD) and light-duty (LD)
Tim,
You may also be interested by Sweden's use of a
Hi Dave, Tim, Edward and all
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somewhat related, and useful in any case:
Ethanol blended diesel (e-diesel) is a cleaner burning alternative
to regular diesel for both heavy-duty (HD) and light-duty (LD)
Tim,
You may also be
AM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol, Alcohol, Veg Oil
How can a diesel engine run on ethanol ?
When the book comes out it will be much more eloquent, but for now all
I can say is that the diesel engine run on 90%+ ethanol by modifying
the injection pump, injection nozzles, pistons, gaskets
on.
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol, Alcohol, Veg Oil
Oops, sorry, forgot these two:
Alcohol in diesel engines -- Have technology, will travel -- policy
permitting
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of any virus being passed on.
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol, Alcohol, Veg Oil
Oops, sorry, forgot these two:
Alcohol in diesel
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From: shawstafari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:49 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol, Alcohol, Veg Oil
An immediate solution for myself, right now, here
I was reviewing my info on gopherweed recently and it seems that a
distillant of it would be a perfect denaturant, or even bio-meth from a
smallish scale methane source. Al Rutan would come in handy here (or
someone of that ilk).
James Slayden
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Keith Addison wrote:
How can a diesel engine run on ethanol ?
When the book comes out it will be much more eloquent, but for now all
I can say is that the diesel engine run on 90%+ ethanol by modifying
the injection pump, injection nozzles, pistons, gaskets, and other
standard modifications (like compression and
Best
Keith
Met vriendelijke groeten,
Pieter Koole
Netherlands
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From: shawstafari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:49 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol, Alcohol, Veg Oil
An immediate solution for myself, right now
://www.venturabus.com.au/ven_environment.html
Best
Keith
Met vriendelijke groeten,
Pieter Koole
Netherlands
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From: shawstafari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:49 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol, Alcohol, Veg Oil
An immediate
An immediate solution for myself, right now, here in the U.S., is
there an
alternative other than converting my diesel car to run on veggie oil?
Yes! Diesel (see Scania in Sweden) and non-diesel engines may be run
on ethanol.
Yes... but trials with diesels and ethanol in California did not
Hello Keith and everyone,
Has anyone here received a permit from the BATF for fuel production of
ethanol, and what are the circumstances (residential? farm? commercial?)
Biodiesel's not poisonous, I think the denaturant has to be
poisonous. Biodiesel plus methanol maybe? You can get permits
: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:11 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel - use of biodiesel as
2stroke lubeoil
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:22:38 +0900
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel
Hi Tony, Dan
Date: Thu, 16
Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:11 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel - use of biodiesel as
2stroke lubeoil
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:22:38 +0900
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:22:38 +0900
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel
Hi Tony, Dan
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:06:02 -0600 (MDT)
From: Dan Maker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ethanol and BioDiesel
I've heard of people using biodiesel as the
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:06:02 -0600 (MDT)
From: Dan Maker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ethanol and BioDiesel
I've heard of people using biodiesel as the oil in two cycle engine
gas/oil mix, could ethanol and biodiesel be used to power a two cycle
IC engine? Ofcourse the carburation would
Hi Tony, Dan
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:06:02 -0600 (MDT)
From: Dan Maker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ethanol and BioDiesel
I've heard of people using biodiesel as the oil in two cycle engine
gas/oil mix, could ethanol and biodiesel be used to power a two cycle
IC engine? Ofcourse
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol and BioDiesel
Hi Tony, Dan
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:06:02 -0600 (MDT)
From: Dan Maker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ethanol and BioDiesel
I've heard of people using biodiesel as the oil in two cycle engine
gas/oil mix, could ethanol and biodiesel be used
On Saturday 18 October 2003 12:56 am, Bryan Brah wrote:
What about SVO instead of BD for two-cycle oil? If you mixed ethanol
and SVO would you get biofuel vinaigrette or would it actually mix?
Should be possible to use: castor oil was used in racing 2 strokes until
recently.
regards Doug
I used to make moonshine in the '70's. Started out experimenting for
fuel, but its so much work with so little pay off that it was better
to drink the stuff. 100 proof was easy, I would get a couple of mason
jars from 20 galons of beer. I used everything from sugar yeast
to pure corn sour
Tony
I can't seem to get this link to work - any ideas?
Regards
Gary
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From: Ackland, Tony (CALNZAS)
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:55 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Re Ethanol from bread waste?
Bread has been
Gary,
I can't seem to get this link to work - any ideas?
http://homedistiller.org/wash-grain2.htm#bread
works OK for me.
Tony
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Bread has been used in the production of vodka before, basically as a source of
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details.
Tony
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--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, benjinsl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All, Wondering if anyone can give advice on protocol for making
ethanol from bread (planning to get waste from local bakeries). I
imagine I treat it like any other starch and need to add some
amount
of malt.
Ben
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:59:19 -0600
From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ethanol mower -- was: Re: Another dumbo question
Alcohol By Volume
Hi Shane,
What is ABV ??
Eat-Drink-Smoke and be Happy.
Shane.
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Biofuel at Journey
The conclusion came out this week:
http://www.evworld.com/databases/storybuilder.cfm?storyid=466
With evworld.com the trick is if you want the whole installment and
not the continue button and don't mind the small print, then hit the
printer friendly version
Part 2 appears to have come out today and is more focused on the case
for bringing ethanol (after appropriate testing and lobbying) into the
IRL and other American racing series.
http://www.evworld.com/databases/printit.cfm?storyid=462
It's not going to change the on-track product, he said.
: [biofuel] Re: ethanol economics
Dear Todd,
It is number games, only to size the problems and to
understand them. It is logical that we have a mix and
we are already there. What ever way you play the
numbers, it show that renewable are feasible and
doable even for US. It will however take
The following is response to an off-list inquiry made about an
article based upon David Pimental's representations as to
ethanols dis-economics. It might make better sense to read the
original inquiry first, then the response.
Todd Swearingen
.
Dear [snip],
First, I
Dear Todd,
I agree with you on the number game, I wrote earlier,
With 25 barrels per hectare, the current
annual oil consumption would need more than 11 giga hectars of land.
The yield would be a rounded 2,500 barrel per square km and annual
oil consumption would need 11,699,000 square km.
heart will have to
migrate to Florida every winter.
Todd Swearingen
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From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol economics
Dear Todd,
I agree with you on the number game
Bravo, Todd, nicely done!
There's a lot more Pimentel debunking here:
http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html
Is ethanol energy-efficient?
New report:
Corn ethanol is energy efficient... For every BTU dedicated to
producing ethanol there is a 34 percent energy gain, the study said.
To Motie,
Keep me in the loop if you don't mind. We have similar resources, but on a
fairly small scale and envisage the same kind of setup.
We are a farm/ woodshop/ environmental edu. business.
Mark
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Hi Martin
Keith, are there not algae growth problems with biodiesel being stored a long
time?
I don't know. I've still got some of the first biodiesel I made,
three years ago, and it's still fine. Been in very hot and humid
places since then, and cold ones too.
Does anyone know of cases of
://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: Ri:[biofuel] Re: ethanol to gasoline relationship
Hi Martin
Keith, are there not algae
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.nf-2000.org/secure/Fair/F484.htm is a fascinating
article to say
the least.
I agree with you on the fascination. By the time I got half-way
through the article, I was nearly screaming for them to add some
Ethanol
Martin Klingensmith wrote:
I believe benzene is used. Maybe they use something else now but I think
benzene is carcinogenic.
--- John Venema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anybody know how to blend ethanol and diesel like E95 (oxygenated
Diesel). Or to put it in another way: what is
John Venema wrote:
Does anybody know how to blend ethanol and diesel like E95 (oxygenated
Diesel). Or to put it in another way: what is the secret of the 5% additive.
This additive must be very powerful.
Ethanol blends easily with biodiesel, so you could use biodiesel
instead - only then you
It's important that you use biofuel, It isn't important if you use ethanol or
biodiesel, because you two different type of motor.
ETHANOL=GASOLINE
BIODIESEL=DIESEL
Best regards
Ezio
John Venema wrote:
Does anybody know how to blend ethanol and diesel like E95 (oxygenated
Diesel). Or to
Additional related information about Benzene.
Alcohol and benzene from coal for lighting.
Coal gas made from coal pyrolysis
and the Otto-cycle engine.
http://chemcases.com/fuels/fuels-02.htm and
http://chemcases.com/fuels/fuels-03.htm
Fuels and Society: 10. Knocking
Using alcohol
It's important that you use biofuel, It isn't important if you use
ethanol or biodiesel, because you two different type of motor.
ETHANOL=GASOLINE
BIODIESEL=DIESEL
Best regards
Ezio
Yes, but E-diesel, which started this thread, is a blend of 80%
petro-diesel fuel and 15% ethanol plus 5%
Keith you're right about it, but there some researches that use only biodiesel
(95% acid oleic) and you don't use petrol diesel.
I don't know very well the situation about ethanol but I think that the problem
is paralel...
Thank you the answer.
Best regard
Ezio
It's important that you use
Hello Ezio
Keith you're right about it, but there some researches that use only
biodiesel (95% acid oleic) and you don't use petrol diesel.
I don't know very well the situation about ethanol but I think that
the problem is paralel...
You can use 100% biodiesel (methyl or ethyl esters) in any
Keith, are there not algae growth problems with biodiesel being stored a long
time?
What if you added ethanol, would that help?
-Martin
Ethanol blends easily with biodiesel, so you could use biodiesel
instead - only then you won't need the ethanol, LOL!
Best
Keith
=
Does anybody know how to blend ethanol and diesel like E95 (oxygenated
Diesel). Or to put it in another way: what is the secret of the 5% additive.
This additive must be very powerful.
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From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 09,
I believe benzene is used. Maybe they use something else now but I think
benzene is carcinogenic.
--- John Venema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anybody know how to blend ethanol and diesel like E95 (oxygenated
Diesel). Or to put it in another way: what is the secret of the 5% additive.
This
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Blackmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've got a carbureted 86 Ford E-150 v6 and I'm looking into what I
could do
to help its emissions (this is in California) Would a significant
proportion of ethanol as an oxygenate present a problem for the
carburetor,
since
Yes, and any more you progressively become more and
more like a alky carb methanol race car setup. The
high compression ... the advanced timing ... the
significantly richer mixture ... and so on. Depending
upon the actual amount of ethanol that you add.
Curtis
--- motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
See: Ethanol and your car
http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html#ethanolcar
Best
Keith
Yes, and any more you progressively become more and
more like a alky carb methanol race car setup. The
high compression ... the advanced timing ... the
significantly richer mixture ... and so on.
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From: janandjoe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 5:50 AM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: ethanol distillation
I am currently experimenting with adapting copper cylinders which are
heated
via a coil using solar collectors
seem to be
scope for its less problematic use at the heating stage..
Jan
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From: randallbarron1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 February 2002 14:42
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Re: ethanol distillation
Okay, so solar stills are available, but do
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From: janandjoe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 5:50 AM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: ethanol distillation
I am currently experimenting with adapting copper cylinders which
add a kind of drawing, hope it goes fine.
Best regards
Juan
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Asunto: [biofuel] Re
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Juan Boveda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Moti, just to add an idea to get cheaper vacuum, to use the gravity
not
only a big vacuum pump.
In industry, to keep under vacuum something the usual way is to use
a 11 รถ
11.5 meter tall cylinder full of slow running water
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or here
http://www.alfalavalagri.ch/
Regards
John
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From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 11 February 2002 3:05
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol distillation
- Original Message -
From: Randall
As long as you are using a propane tank in the system. Have you
considered using a larger tank. Using the air comnpressor draw a
vacuum onto the tank and then use it as a stored energy source.
A
typical thousand gallon service propane tank with special
plumbing
and valving will
motie, a cold trap between the vacuum pump and the
ethanol source should solve the problem of pump
lubrication. adding an oil trap before the pump would
also be advisable.imho.
regards,roger
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], cornfed62 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As long as this is still
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Subject: [biofuel] Re: ethanol distillation
As long as you are using a propane tank in the system. Have you
considered using a larger tank. Using the air comnpressor draw a
vacuum onto the tank and then use it as a stored energy source.
A
typical thousand gallon service propane tank
You could use a Carbon dioxide scrubber to remove the CO2 and then still
be able to use a vacuum for distillation.
The House of Jade wrote:
Well, you are now talking about vacuum fermentation for which there
is a
patented process. Stripping off ethanol as it is produced solves one
problem
- Original Message -
From: Randall Shelley Barron
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 11:14
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol distillation
You could use a Carbon dioxide scrubber to remove the CO2 and then still
be able to use a vacuum for distillation.
I guess that begs the question
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], cornfed62 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As long as this is still in the theory stage: Remember that
ethanol
is an excellant cleaning solvent. You will need to pay extra
special
attention to your 2 cylinder compressor to make sure the essential
mechanical parts are
there are turbo yeasts available that will withstand
20%+. with sufficent vacuum you can boil water at
room temp. i would question whether the yeast's ability
to propagate (and therefore produce ethanol)would
be affected by a low vacuum.i think that you are
pursuing an interesting avenue of
Well, you are now talking about vacuum fermentation for which there is a
patented process. Stripping off ethanol as it is produced solves one problem
but the problem is that the vacuum system must deal with the massive amounts
of carbon dioxide being generated by the fermentation process; so
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you pumping the liquid solution, or
just the vapors?
Just the vapor is moving across. You have space over the liquid and
the
air is connected to a cold space that is lower so the cold air is
stable.
As the alcohol becomes dew
As long as this is still in the theory stage: Remember that ethanol
is an excellant cleaning solvent. You will need to pay extra special
attention to your 2 cylinder compressor to make sure the essential
mechanical parts are still being oiled. The ethanol vapor will tend
to wash the
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