Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: PANUPS: Rethinking Roundup

2005-08-09 Thread Mike Weaver
Garth Kim Travis wrote: H Kim, I'm looking more for control of very small patches. I use a whacker mostly, but a few places need a squirt. I can't imagine it would be more than an ounce or so. Greetings, Concentrated vinegar, sprayed on a hot sunny day will kill post emergent weeds, if

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: PANUPS: Rethinking Roundup

2005-08-09 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, Yes, plain store bought vinegar doesn't kill much but the 20% vinegar that is 4 times stronger can really work well in the proper conditions. Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:35 PM 8/8/2005, you wrote: Vinegar seems to work pretty good on dandelions, not much effect on other weeds. I

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: PANUPS: Rethinking Roundup

2005-08-09 Thread Mike Weaver
Where would one get it? If I try to make I always seems to get vinegar worms... Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Yes, plain store bought vinegar doesn't kill much but the 20% vinegar that is 4 times stronger can really work well in the proper conditions. Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:35

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: PANUPS: Rethinking Roundup

2005-08-09 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, I buy mine at the feed store. There is a web site, but I lost it in the last crash, it will tell you the nearest retailer in the US and Canada. Bright Blessings, Kim At 06:05 AM 8/9/2005, you wrote: Where would one get it? If I try to make I always seems to get vinegar worms...

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: PANUPS: Rethinking Roundup

2005-08-09 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi All, Just a quick note from the microbiologist running around my head. If you are using concentrated vinegar as weed killer be careful at what time of year you use it. Fall and winter is the best time. Soil bacterial love acetate ion as a source of food. Your basically adding a lot of

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: PANUPS: Rethinking Roundup

2005-08-08 Thread Michael Redler
More on Roundup and Monsanto: Drugs war in Columbia - the true costThe true cost of the US’s so-called “drugs war” in Columbia (see Environment Health News 16 p13) is mounting. There have now been 4,000 human and 178,000 animal reported cases of serious skin, eye, respiratory and digestive

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: PANUPS: Rethinking Roundup

2005-08-08 Thread Mike Weaver
Arrgg. Why did you have send that? Now I have get rid of a gallon of that crap. Anyone know how to render it safe before disposal? Also, does anyone have any ideas on using concentrated vinegar to control weeds? I had no idea it was so deadly. -Mike Michael Redler wrote: More on Roundup

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: PANUPS: Rethinking Roundup

2005-08-08 Thread Michael Redler
Sorry Mike. I can't help you decide what to do with it. However, I remember threads on this list that talk about very effective, natural solutions in the garden. Does anyone remember? Mike Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arrgg. Why did you have send that? Now I have get rid of a gallon of

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: PANUPS: Rethinking Roundup

2005-08-08 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi All, Let me thank everyone involved for the information on these companies. If you think this is doing little good think again. I used the material here with a bit of filtering to teach my Environmental Science class today. The more folks who get the word out the fewer customers Monsanto

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: PANUPS: Rethinking Roundup

2005-08-08 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi Mike, If you´re in the U.S. you can drop it off at your local household hazardous waste collection site. Call and see how much they will accept. You might have to transfer it into four 1 liter containers so you don´t have to pay for disposal. They usually take this stuff to a cement kiln

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: PANUPS: Rethinking Roundup

2005-08-08 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, Concentrated vinegar, sprayed on a hot sunny day will kill post emergent weeds, if it does not rain within the next few days. It will also kill any earthworms it comes in contact with. If used too much, it will also affect the ph of your soil and harm some of the bacteria, but the

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: PANUPS: Rethinking Roundup

2005-08-08 Thread Michael Redler
Right-on Tom! This is the kind of encouragementthat I REALLY like to see. "But, as men cannot engender new forces, but only unite and direct existing ones, they have no other means of preserving themselves than the formation, by aggregation, of a sum of forces great enough to overcome the

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: PANUPS: Rethinking Roundup

2005-08-08 Thread Joseph Schaefer
Vinegar seems to work pretty good on dandelions, not much effect on other weeds. I use the large jug (four liters) size from the discount grocery store, plain white vinegar. Joe --- Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arrgg. Why did you have send that? Now I have get rid of a gallon of