Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.

2006-05-26 Thread Mike Redler
Jim, Let's review: You said: "A Corporation is only a form of a business along with Limited Liability partnerships, a dozen or so hybrid forms and Sole proprietors ships any one is only as good as those that lead it. What is your solution? where do you stop? Ban all forms of trade?" I don't

Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.

2006-05-26 Thread Mike Weaver
The Philosopher King Mike Redler wrote: Jim, Let's review: You said: A Corporation is only a form of a business along with Limited Liability partnerships, a dozen or so hybrid forms and Sole proprietors ships any one is only as good as those that lead it. What is your solution? where do you

Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.

2006-05-25 Thread Mike Redler
True. But, I'm not sure I see your point Jim. Mike JJJN wrote: I am not sure of this but in the beginning didn't the Constitution require that the Government was to be funded by buisness and trade? And did not the victory tax come to be our first income tax? Jim Mike Weaver wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.

2006-05-25 Thread Mike Redler
Jim, Your statement puts all forms of business into one category (i.e. IBM with the village baker) and redirects the discussion toward all forms of trade. This is a direction that I won't be led into. The point I made directly addresses the wealth and power accumulated as human labor becomes

Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.

2006-05-25 Thread JJJN
I suppose it has to do with the original thread , 4) All Funding for the expenses of government to come from Business and Corporation only. (this means it would be unlawfully to tax the populace) as a reply to Mike Weaver and D No point really other that this was a part of our constitution.

Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.

2006-05-25 Thread JJJN
Mike, Mike Redler wrote: Jim, Your statement puts all forms of business into one category (i.e. IBM with the village baker) and redirects the discussion toward all forms of trade. This is a direction that I won't be led into. No it does not, that happens in your mind, but it does put

Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.

2006-05-25 Thread Mike Weaver
I was refering the era of the robber barons. The Octopus, Frank Norris, and that whole era. I personally don't mind maying taxes, particularly as the schools in my area are good, the cops are honest, the city picks the trash and we mandate 20% biodiesel in all heavy equipment. I feel I get

Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.

2006-05-24 Thread JJJN
Mike, A Corporation is only a form of a business along with Limited Liability partnerships, a dozen or so hybrid forms and Sole proprietors ships any one is only as good as those that lead it. What is your solution? where do you stop? Ban all forms of trade? I don't like the greed and abuse

Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.

2006-05-24 Thread JJJN
I am not sure of this but in the beginning didn't the Constitution require that the Government was to be funded by buisness and trade? And did not the victory tax come to be our first income tax? Jim Mike Weaver wrote: We've been through similar periods before...railroads, steel, Standard

Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.

2006-05-23 Thread Mike Weaver
We've been through similar periods before...railroads, steel, Standard oil, Airlines... Michael Redler wrote: Jim wrote: I really don't mind corporations, and I like to see them make a profit when it means prosperity for all. *Divided World: Rich Live Longer, Poor Die Younger*

Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.

2006-05-23 Thread Mike Weaver
Robber baron era anyone? JJJN wrote: I really don't mind corporations, and I like to see them make a profit when it means prosperity for all, I just dont like the powers in Govrnment to be persuaded and corrupted by those profits. Yes this one needs some work, Thanks Jim D. Mindock wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.

2006-05-22 Thread D. Mindock
Hi Jim, I think number 4 could be dangerous. What if a corporation wanted to withhold their taxes for some reason? I'd modify number 5: 5) Government through representation of the people by the people. to this: 5) Government through representation of only the people, by only the people, for

Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.

2006-05-22 Thread Chip Mefford
D. Mindock wrote: Hi Jim, I think number 4 could be dangerous. What if a corporation wanted to withhold their taxes for some reason? I'd modify number 5: 5) Government through representation of the people by the people. to this: 5) Government through representation of only the

Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.

2006-05-22 Thread Keith Addison
D. Mindock wrote: Hi Jim, I think number 4 could be dangerous. What if a corporation wanted to withhold their taxes for some reason? I'd modify number 5: 5) Government through representation of the people by the people. to this: 5) Government through representation of only the

Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.

2006-05-22 Thread JJJN
I really don't mind corporations, and I like to see them make a profit when it means prosperity for all, I just dont like the powers in Govrnment to be persuaded and corrupted by those profits. Yes this one needs some work, Thanks Jim D. Mindock wrote: Hi Jim, I think number 4 could be

Re: [Biofuel] Government's role in society.

2006-05-22 Thread Michael Redler
Jim wrote: "I really don't mind corporations, and I like to see them make a profit when it means prosperity for all."Divided World: Rich Live Longer, Poor Die Youngerhttp://www.commondreams.org/headlines/062900-01.htmThose who want wealth, will have it. Since there is no individual who's work