I was refering the era of the robber barons. "The Octopus," Frank Norris, and that whole era.
I personally don't mind maying taxes, particularly as the schools in my area are good, the cops are honest, the city picks the trash and we mandate 20% biodiesel in all heavy equipment. I feel I get good value for my money. I'm not too crazy about my federal taxes lining the pockets of Halliburton and funding yet another tax break for people in the top 1%. I'm not happy about giving poil companies 10B "incentives" to find more oil right before they report 34 BILLION dollars in earnings. And I'm really unhappy about borrowing 1BN a week to keep Irag going? Why are we handing out tax breaks if we're already insolvent? I was speaking with a friend of mine who is in his 70's, a Pulizter-prize winning political author, and he said that never in his life, including WW2, HUAC, Cuban missle crisis and Watergate, has he been for afraid for the future of his county. Sobering thoughts. -Mike JJJN wrote: >I suppose it has to do with the original thread , > >"4) All Funding for the expenses of government to come from Business and > >Corporation only. (this means it would be unlawfully to tax the populace)" as >a reply to Mike Weaver and D > >No point really other that this was a part of our constitution. > > >Mike Redler wrote: > > > >>True. But, I'm not sure I see your point Jim. >> >>Mike >> >>JJJN wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>I am not sure of this but in the beginning didn't the Constitution >>>require that the Government was to be funded by buisness and trade? And >>>did not the "victory tax" come to be our first income tax? >>> >>>Jim >>> >>>Mike Weaver wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>We've been through similar periods before...railroads, steel, Standard >>>>oil, Airlines... >>>> >>>>Michael Redler wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Jim wrote: "I really don't mind corporations, and I like to see them >>>>>make a profit when it means prosperity for all." >>>>> >>>>>*Divided World: Rich Live Longer, Poor Die Younger* >>>>>http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/062900-01.htm >>>>> >>>>>Those who want wealth, will have it. Since there is no individual >>>>>who's work represents hundreds of times the value of his/her >>>>>employees, you arrive at two simple conclusions - that corporations >>>>>are a means of building wealth off the backs of others and that those >>>>>who own those corporations are obsessed with building empires and >>>>>monuments to themselves, off the backs of others. >>>>> >>>>>The size of a corporation is a measure of the ambition to build that >>>>>empire and monument. >>>>> >>>>>The only thing that can fight the devastating effects of corporate >>>>>greed is public consensus and a movement built from that consensus. >>>>>The sooner that greed effects public policy and makes enough people >>>>>suffer, the sooner the public will wake up to what's going on around >>>>>them and react to it. >>>>> >>>>>Mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>*/JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I really don't mind corporations, and I like to see them make a >>>>> profit >>>>> when it means prosperity for all, I just dont like the powers in >>>>> Govrnment to be persuaded and corrupted by those profits. Yes this >>>>> one >>>>> needs some work, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>> D. Mindock wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >Hi Jim, >>>>> > I think number 4 could be dangerous. What if a corporation >>>>> wanted to >>>>> >withhold their taxes for some >>>>> >reason? >>>>> > I'd modify number 5: >>>>> >5) Government through representation of the people by the people. >>>>> >to this: >>>>> >5) Government through representation of only the people, by only >>>>> the people, >>>>> >for only the >>>>> >people. (No wiggle room on this one) >>>>> >And I'd add another article that strongly limits what is really >>>>> the root of >>>>> >all our problems, the >>>>> >immoral/unethical, inhumane influence of multinational >>>>> corporations which >>>>> >now control most of the world's >>>>> >governments and indirectly, their people. This is the elephant in >>>>> the room, >>>>> >imo. Corporations are >>>>> >not people or a person and deserve no special treatment. The >>>>> welfare of the >>>>> >people should be paramount to all considerations. >>>>> >In this vein, the environment is part and parcel of the welfare >>>>> of the >>>>> >people. You can't ignore it or trash it without it coming >>>>> >back to ruin your day, and your life. Corporations, as a rule, >>>>> don't give a >>>>> >hoot about the environment. We are all stuck on a small planet >>>>> that is >>>>> >getter more polluted every day. The oceans are loaded with PCBs >>>>> and mercury. >>>>> >This cannot continue without devastating consequences for all >>>>> living things. >>>>> >So, an article that explicitly encourages/enforces a healthy >>>>> environment >>>>> >should, imo, be added. I think it is that important. >>>>> > >>>>> >Peace, D. Mindock >>>>> > >>>>> >----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >From: "Doug Younker" >>>>> >To: >>>>> >Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 1:39 AM >>>>> >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Governments role in society. >>>>> > >>>>> [snip] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
