I hope you are aware of the difference, are you?
Yes, one can run a diesel engine on straight vegetable oil. The question
maybe, how long a modern engine, dedicated to the use of fossil diesel, will
stand it.
Yes, you can succesfully mix fossil diesel with a high percentage of
vegetable oil and
Thanks Camillo,
Well, there are lots of people who would not believe
that 'biodiesel'-the ester form of it- is viable
technically, economically nor from the environmental
side of it ! and they are not convinced that this is a
growing trend in the EU where environmental standards
and awareness are
Thanks Camillo,
Well, there are lots of people who would not believe
that 'biodiesel'-the ester form of it- is viable
technically, economically nor from the environmental
side of it ! and they are not convinced that this is a
growing trend in the EU where environmental standards
and awareness are
Keith,
The sooner you write the better ! the 'biodiesel'
movement here is in danger of misinformation. One
academic even suggested that the cost would be twice
that of petrodiesel (HSDO=14Baht/L crude palm oil =
11.50 Baht/litre, coconut oil = 11 B/litre ) I need
someone like you to come out and
Camillo, you make a very vaid point about toxic emissions. imagine
the problems we'd have if biodesel became confused with raw vegetable
oils. You'll no boubt be aware of the press coverage that Volvo got
for their tests on biodiesel emissions.
They used flawed and inappropriate methods, but
I think there is quite some difference between a slow running ship or
railway engine and fast automotive engines. Big engines are built to
handle unrefined and slow burning fuels. Automotive engines need a
fast burning fuel. They can't easily tolerate the glycerols and
emissions from part
I agree that trap grease product should not be sold alongside DIN
standard biodiesel. However, that does not prevent the grease trap
fuel being sold for use in stationary generators or off road plant.
If blended with mineral fuel at 20% any trace toxins in the bio will
be swamped by the
You have to be cheaper to the customer than the alternative. When it
comes to diesel fuel, nobody really cares a fig about it's greeness.
They just want cheap fuel. Even in Germany where it's well
established, biodiesel is about 10% cheaper at the pump than
dinodiesel.
Biodiesel is only
Let's see..you are paying the equivalent of $6 per
gallon for petrol and Americans are the ones that are
programmed? I don't think that's a valid
answer...its' just ameribashing.
Except for the tax on energy we pay free market
prices. As it is nearly one third of our cost per
gallon is taxes.
there is a yahoo group dedicated to this topic, who can help you:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lp-gas
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Holy cow!
I just saw concentrated liquid degreaser soap for
sale at a discount store for US$4.80 a gallon! I had
to pop the top to do a quick visual/nasal/tactile
field test and to my surprise it was so similar to the
waste product we are constantly trying to find a use
for that I think I
eric almanzan wrote:
I know it is still petrol, but it is still an
alternative fuel, and i think it is a lot cleaner,
what is required to convert a car to propane??
It requires installation of a tank, plumbing, valves and a fuel mixer.
The onboard computer will have to be reprogrammed
Squire Dana Linscott,
At the risk of offending you, might I say, relative to your premise, and
most predominantly your last sentence.
Poppycock!!! Pure, unadulterated Poppycock
There is an enormous difference between inefficiency, wanton waste and
gluttony. Americans deserve justly to
Speaking of gas-guzzlers...
The Minnesota Street Rod Association just had their Back to the 50's
Weekend.
I go almost every year not to see the big finned monsters but to look
for the small unusual car. The BMW Isetta and the Metropolitain are
my personal favorites that were there. I did
I met John Fry at his home in Santa Barbara about 25 years ago. He told me
the sewage plant there used the biogas they made there. The plant was shut
down for some reason, repairs perhaps, and they had the natural gas co run a
line in there for startup. The deal was they would no longer use the
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From: MINI WELL SYSTEMS [PVT] LTD [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 11:25 AM
Subject: Spent Grain from Brewing
Hello,
Not been contributing anything but have been listening.
Can anybody tell me if spent grain
Want a high mileage car? Try a 1985 VW Diesel Jetta. Mine gets between 43-44
miles per gal and it has over 276,000 miles.
Greg
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From: Martin Klingensmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 10:12 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
we have striven for exactly the opposite for 300 years - individual
rights over collective rights, personal property rights over community
rights - as if smog, lead, dioxin, mercury, vinyl chloride and all our
other
poisonous slurries will voluntarily stop at a property's edge - both above
and
I just have to throw in my 2 cents' worth here. Being a retired
Mercedes-Benz mechanic, I have watched for 25 years as the fuel mileage
of these cars has increased..from an average of 14 MPG in the early
70's, to an average of 24 MPG today. This mileage is for V-8 equipped
cars. In
Poppycock indeed.
Todd,
There are plenty of European cars that get lousy fuel
mileage...I have owned several. To concentrate on the
few that get decent mileage and apply that the entire
European community has as little validity as applying
your offensive stereotype to all the citizens of
Hi Dana
We are a huge country with vast distances over which
people and things must be transported. We live in an
energy dominated world economy. I do not disagree that
we might be more efficient...but that is an issue that
will always be there no matter how efficient we get.
There is always
Okay Dana,
Take a guess at what the average fuel economy of the domestic fleet in
Europe is and then compare it to the good ole' US of A. Then take a look
at the trend in both countries during the past 20 years. Now take a look at
what the projected next two years in sales of SUVs is going to do
Todd,
You have a very narrow point of view.
This may make life simpler for you but I doubt it
helps change the social dilemmas you seem to abhor.
Your angry words must alienate many that might
otherwise join your (our) cause.
Will it make you a happier person if I simply stand
still and quiet
Dear Dana,
Just for curiosity's sake, have you personally seen or lived in other
societies outside of U.S.A.?
I just wonder if there are a lot of Americans like Bush who's propoganda
seems to be pushing that one (whirlwind) trip to Europe can make him a
statesman.
Ricky
Biofuel at Journey
Appal Energy wrote:
Praying for $5.00 a gallon...and a consumer awakening
Hear, hear! Better yet, just laws that mandate that *all* road costs,
repairs, building, bridges, plowing, whatever, come totally 100% out of fuel
tax, not one penny out of general funds. And that for the
As someone who has just logged onto this group, and only for a week at
that, I feel that there appears to be a serious ego problem, culturally and
parochially, lets face America as a nation absorbs half of the worlds
resources and is a highly wastefull society in general, but that is not to
Dana,
You are absolutely correct when you say that I have a very narrow point of
view. Matter of fact, the truth is the narrowest fine line one can ever
draw.
Throw in a few shades of gray and it becomes oh so much more simple and
broad a path to walk.
Don't suppose you've given any further
.. related to the revolt campaign letter posted previously, visit,
http://wire.dailynews.net/hays/HDnews/news/gasprices062501.html
Doug
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Saw on ERDA site or something like that that the feds estimate the cost of
biodiesel around $2.50
I think lots of people might run veggie rather than pay $5
New black market. Pssst! Wanna buy some veggie oil?
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Look at cost of power. It is published annually. 7/10ths of a cent comes to
mind.
So nicking you for a dime is good business. Many industrial users don't have
the margin to support that so they negotiate. Also they might put in their
own cogeneration plant. Power co will undercut that so it
Gearing is of course different as diesel is lower rpm.
Don't forget suspension as springs may be inadequate.
Will change how it corners as well.
Kirk
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From: Paul Cooksley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 6:15 PM
To: 'biofuel@yahoogroups.com'
Re your stove.
Many gas ovens have a 500watt or larger glo-bar to ignite the gas. It stays
on while oven is on as a safety precaution.
Quite an energy overhead.
The electronics in vehicles. Yes. A 2 dollar part for $1000. Oh, $998 is for
the technology!
Yeah, sure.
Standard business procedure for
I don't speak for all Americans, but I have 3 kids, a dog, and usually a
friend of the kids or 2 to cart around. this means a 7 passenger vehicle.
IE, Minivan/SUV. Mine is a Ford Windstar that gets 24mpg highway.
saw an article recently on converting a vw van to diesel engine. gotta try
that.
they use more, therefore get a quantity discount?
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This American (registered republican) is under the impression that America
is a big ship with no autopilot, and the captain/helmsman has gone off on an
extended smoke break.
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www.lehmans.com has gas stoves that do not use electric igniters, or glow
bars. just pilot lights (or a grill lighter if you want to save on gas)
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From: Paul Cooksley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Re: Poppycock!!! /Bashing/OFF TOPIC
As someone who has just logged onto this group, and only for a week at
that, I feel that there appears to be a serious ego problem, culturally
and
parochially...
don't give it a second thought paul. the
All,
Sorry if the perception was an intentionally personal upside the head with
Dana.
The fuse just seems to be getting shorter with age.
I guess I need to seek a little professional consult withwho is that
guy?..Rush somethin' or other..
By all accounts, he'll churely be able to
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=11319
Planet Ark
NSW Australia eyes vegetable oil for fuel - minister
AUSTRALIA: June 26, 2001
SYDNEY - The state government of New South Wales (NSW) supported the
promotion of an industry using vegetable oils as an alternative fuel,
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=11318
Planet Ark
Few firm answers expected from fuel economy panel
USA: June 26, 2001
DETROIT - A panel of experts will likely say next month that the U.S.
government could raise its fuel efficiency standards for cars and
trucks by a modest
I don't get the NOx bit. By all accounts it's easy to reduce NOx with
biod. The story quotes the NBB's Jenna Higgins, yet it talks about
NOx and smog, and the NBB says the ozone-forming potential of
biodiesel emissions is nearly 50% less than dinodiesel. See:
Hi Dana
Hi Keith,
Are you trying to prove or disprove my point(s)?
Well, you may have noticed I keep saying (at every possible
opportunity!) that US gas is way too cheap. However you want to look
at it, the US uses a massively disproportionate amount of the world's
energy (amongst other
Paul, if you want to hold to a narrow view of what's covered by
biofuels, you're welcome, but please don't try to force your narrow
definitions on other people who might have a broader view of it.
Nobody's forcing you to involve yourself, nobody's forcing you to
read anything you don't want
Keith Addison wrote:
I just thought
your argument over having such a big country and therefore needing
the inefficient cars you make there didn't hold too much water. How
many American miles driven are accounted for by that factor? I'm sure
it's very few. Most are commutes, no? Sitting in
in the 70`s when the last oil problems were going on, the profits were up
1000% at the time they were required to report this. i wonder if they are
now. greg
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