[biofuel] Oil/Politics

2004-08-17 Thread Ross Cannon

Drilling For Influence
By J.R. Pegg, Environment News Service
Posted on July 20, 2004
 
http://www.alternet.org/election04/19287/
http://www.alternet.org/story/19287/
 
The oil and gas industry has pumped some $440 million
into federal political campaigns and lobbying
activities during the past six years, according to a
new report released by the Center for Public
Integrity.
 
The study gives added fuel to critics who believe the
industry has bought undue influence throughout the
federal government, in particular within the offices
of Bush administration officials.
 
Republican candidates and organizations received more
than 70 percent of the $67 million the industry has
given in federal campaign contributions since 1998 ö
with President George W. Bush leading the way.
 
The former Texas oilman turned President received some
$1.7 million in industry contributions, more than
three times the amount given to any other beneficiary
of the industry's support.
 
The study, The Politics of Oil, is the first of a
series by the nonprofit research group that aims to
identify the size and scope of the international oil
and gas industry and measure its influence in the
halls of government worldwide.
 
Charles Lewis, executive director of the nonpartisan
Center for Public Integrity, said the group has no axe
to grind with President Bush, but the close ties
between the industry and the administration hardly
came as a surprise.
 
No industry in the history of the Republic has had
former company executives sitting in the White House
as President and Vice President, along with other very
senior leadership positions, Lewis said.
 
Including Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, National
Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice and Commerce
Secretary Donald Evans, more than 40 members of the
Bush administration have worked directly for or with
the oil and gas industry.
 
The report does not hone in on specific policies that
may have been affected by the oil and gas industry's
influence, but Lewis told reporters it is rather
apparent what the influence has been able to achieve.
 
The administration has pushed a host of industry
proposals, including an national energy policy laden
with subsidies for oil and gas development and several
regulations to relax federal rules for drilling on
federal lands.
 
The White House has also resisted calls to raise fuel
economy standards or to cut fossil fuel use in order
to combat global warming.
 
The Bush campaign did not comment on the report.
 
Second and third on the list of politicians who have
received the most support from the industry are Texas
Republicans Joe Barton, who chairs the House Energy
and Commerce Committee, and House Majority Leader Tom
Delay.
 
Barton has collected $574,000 from the oil and gas
industry since 1998; Delay has received just under
$500,000 in campaign cash from the industry.
 
The only Democrat in the top 10 is Louisiana Senator
Mary Landrieu, who has been given $343,924 in campaign
contributions by oil and gas companies since 1998.
 
The report lists ChevronTexaco as the leading
contributor to recent federal campaigns. The oil giant
has given some $2 million to the Republican Party and
$45,600 to the Bush campaign in the past six years,
along with some $790,000 to the Democratic Party.
 
ExxonMobil is the industry's leader in lobbying
expenditures, spending some $55 million, followed by
ChevronTexaco at $32 million.
 
It is not hard to see why the industry is making such
an investment ö it has a clear case for wanting to
sustain the nation's thirst for oil and gas. In 2003,
the United States guzzled more than 25 percent of the
world's total oil and gas production.
 
The Center for Public Integrity report says the
industry exerts its influence in other, less obvious
ways and cites the role of the National Petroleum
Council and conservative, nonprofit organizations.
 
Formed by President Harry Truman after World War II,
the National Petroleum Council was designed to provide
the government with the industry's expertise on oil
and gas issues.
 
The recommendations of the council during the past six
years have closely mirrored the requests of industry
lobbyists, according to the report, and at least 10
members of the council are Bush Pioneers ö individuals
who have raised more than $100,000 for the President's
election campaigns.
 
Few oil companies can match the influence wielded by
Koch Industries, according to the Center for Public
Integrity. With $40 billion in annual revenues, the
privately held conglomerate is the leading campaign
contributor for 2004 and the fourth biggest oil and
gas industry giver since 1998.
 
Koch's influence is reflected in its support of some
of the nation's most prominent conservative and
libertarian think tanks and advocacy groups. These
organizations, including the Cato Institute, the
Reason Foundation, Citizens for a Sound Economy, and
the Federalist Society, have become Washington
mainstays and vocal advocates for the deregulation and

[biofuel] diesel motorcycles

2004-08-17 Thread Anthony J. Garguilo, Jr

What company is producing/importing diesel powered motorcycles into the U.S.A.  
I tried contacting Royal Enfield but they never responded.

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[biofuel] Chavez -was: Venezuela Floridated

2004-08-17 Thread MH


 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6704.htm
 
 Venezuela Floridated
 
 Will The Gang That Fixed Florida Fix the Vote in Caracas this Sunday?
 
 by Greg Palast
 
 Tuesday, August 10, 2004ICH -- Hugo Chavez drives George Bush 
 crazy. Maybe it's jealousy: Unlike Mr. Bush, Chavez, in Venezuela, 
 won his Presidency by a majority of the vote. 
 
 Or maybe it's the oil. Venezuela sits atop a reserve rivaling Iraq's. 
 And Hugo thinks the US and British oil companies that pump the crude 
 ought to pay more than a 16% royalty to his nation for the stuff. 
 Hey, sixteen percent isn't even acceptable as a tip at a New York 
 diner. 

 SNIP 


 Dick Cheney, Hugo Chavez and Bill Clinton's Band
 Why Venezuela has Voted Again for Their 'Negro e Indio' President
 by Greg Palast
 August 16, 2004 
 http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=17478 
 http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0816-03.htm 

 There's so much BS and baloney thrown around about Venezuela that I may be 
violating some rule of
 US journalism by providing some facts. Let's begin with this:  77% of 
Venezuela's farmland is owned
 by 3% of the population, the 'hacendados.' 

 I met one of these farmlords in Caracas at an anti-Chavez protest march. 
Oddest demonstration I've
 ever seen: frosted blondes in high heels clutching designer bags, screeching, 
Chavez - dic-ta-dor!
 The plantation owner griped about the socialismo of Chavez, then jumped into 
his Jaguar
 convertible. 

 That week, Chavez himself handed me a copy of the socialist manifesto that 
so rattled the man in
 the Jag. It was a new law passed by Venezuela's Congress which gave land to 
the landless. The
 Chavez law transferred only fields from the giant haciendas which had been 
left unused and
 abandoned. 

 This land reform, by the way, was promoted to Venezuela in the 1960s by that 
Lefty radical, John F.
 Kennedy. Venezuela's dictator of the time agreed to hand out land, but forgot 
to give peasants title to
 their property. 

 But Chavez won't forget, because the mirror reminds him. What the affable 
president sees in his
 reflection, beyond the ribbons of office, is a negro e indio -- a Black and 
Indian man, dark as a cola
 nut, same as the landless and, until now, the hopeless. For the first time in 
Venezuela's history, the
 80% Black-Indian population elected a man with skin darker than the man in the 
Jaguar. 

 So why, with a huge majority of the electorate behind him, twice in elections 
and today in a
 referendum, is Hugo Chavez in hot water with our democracy-promoting White 
House? 

 Maybe it's the oil. Lots of it. Chavez sits atop a reserve of crude that 
rivals Iraq's. And it's not his
 presidency of Venezuela that drives the White House bananas, it was his 
presidency of the
 Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, OPEC. While in control of the 
OPEC secretariat,
 Chavez cut a deal with our maximum leader of the time, Bill Clinton, on the 
price of oil. It was a
 'Goldilocks' plan. The price would not be too low, not too high; just right, 
kept between $20 and $30 a
 barrel. 

 But Dick Cheney does not like Clinton nor Chavez nor their band. To him, the 
oil industry's (and Saudi
 Arabia's) freedom to set oil prices is as sacred as freedom of speech is to 
the ACLU. I got this info, by
 the way, from three top oil industry lobbyists. 

 Why should Chavez worry about what Dick thinks? Because, said one of the oil 
men, the Veep in his
 bunker, not the pretzel-chewer in the White House, runs energy policy in the 
United States. 

 And what seems to have gotten our Veep's knickers in a twist is not the price 
of oil, but who keeps the
 loot from the current band-busting spurt in prices. Chavez had his Congress 
pass another oil law, the
 Law of Hydrocarbons, which changes the split. Right now, the oil majors - 
like PhillipsConoco -
 keep 84% of the proceeds of the sale of Venezuela oil; the nation gets only 
16%. 

 Chavez wanted to double his Treasury's take to 30%. And for good reason. 
Landless, hungry
 peasants have, over decades, drifted into Caracas and other cities, building 
million-person ghettos of
 cardboard shacks and open sewers. Chavez promised to do something about that. 

 And he did. Chavez gives them bread and bricks, one Venezuelan TV reporter 
told me. The blonde
 TV newscaster, in the middle of a publicity shoot, said the words pan y 
ladrillos with disdain, making
 it clear that she never touched bricks and certainly never waited in a bread 
line. 

 But to feed and house the darker folk in those bread and brick lines, Chavez 
would need funds, and
 the 16% slice of the oil pie wouldn't do it. So the President of Venezuela 
demanded 30%, leaving Big
 Oil only 70%. Suddenly, Bill Clinton's ally in Caracas became Mr. Cheney's -- 
and therefore, Mr.
 Bush's -- enemy. 

 So began the Bush-Cheney campaign to Floridate the will of the Venezuela 
electorate. It didn't
 matter that Chavez had twice won election. 

[biofuel] water injection question

2004-08-17 Thread R. Joseph Murphy

Quick question

This may be simple or so obvious that I over look it, but . Does anyone know
if a water injection system has any affects on exaust gas emissions? I would
think a lower temp would minimally lower the NO emissions,is this true?

thanks,
joseph




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Re: [biofuel] Bio-D in a wick lamp-safe for use in teh house??

2004-08-17 Thread balaji

Hello Alan, Todd,
Perhaps you should try nard oil or its ester in the wick to add that dash of
romance to the atmosphere. Don't count the cost, though. {;-)
Regards,
balaji

- Original Message -
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bio-D in a wick lamp-safe for use in teh house??


 Now, now, now, Allen,

 We backward types have been romancing with pure veg oil lamps for
thousands
 of years now. Biodiesel is no less of a flame enhancer.

 Perhaps you might want to throw a little neem or tea tree or your favorite
 essential oil into the fray to induce the mood you and yours would care
to.

 Not too many that I know of swoon to the scent of kerosene.

 Todd Swearingen

 - Original Message -
 From: Alan Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bio-D in a wick lamp-safe for use in teh house??


  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I was hoping someone could settle a disagreement my brother and I are
   having.  In preparation for Hurricane Charley, I broke out the wick
lamp
   and first off started with biodiesel.  As Keith says on his website,
it
 is
   hard to get top travel up the wick, but I was able to soak the wick
 enough
   to get it to light and it burned great.  Because my brother is afraid
of
   burning it in the house, I switched to kerosene and now he'ss aying
teh
   whole system is contaminated.  So I have 2 questions.  First, if I
burn
   biodiesel in a wick lamp like this, am I risking CO poisoning or any
 other
   noxious fumes?  Second, if for some reason it is mixed with kero, does
 it
   become more toxic than either chemical alone.  Thanks-
 
  You aren't risking CO poisoning any more than any other combustion
  device used inside.  Keep the windows open, and you should be alright
  with that.  Other emissions will be lower with BD.
 
  What you will find is that the odor of the burning biodiesel indoors
  will QUICKLY become overpowering.  Just after I got started making BD my
  girlfriend and I tried it in a couple of little wick lamps.  We found it
  was most decidedly NOT conducive to a romantic atmosphere when your
  whole house smells like a grease fire.
 
  For outdoor use, no problem.  For indoor use, only if you have
  absolutely NOTHING else.
 
 
  BTW:  How did you weather the storm?  I'm in St. Petersburg, and the
  worst we got was minor flooding in our parking lot.  We were holding our
  collective breath for a couple of days, though.
 
 
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[biofuel] safety tips

2004-08-17 Thread tom davis

In making testbatches of biodiesel, what safety precautions need to be taken to 
protect yourself from the sodium methoxide and the gases generated from the 
reaction?  Do I need gas masks or just a cloth mask anything to keep the fumes 
out of my eyes and lungs?



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[biofuel] Bergen county NJ?

2004-08-17 Thread newdlhead

Hi, any straight veggie oil burners in Bergen County, NJ?
I had been told Costco would have five gallon containers of canola oil for 
$10:00, and that would bring the cost down to $2:00 a gallon. I was kicking 
around the thought of converting an old '86 Mercedes 300SDL. for nearly a year, 
but one day I realized I never bothered to even confirm availability of veggie 
oil in my area. So I called Costco in Hackensack. 
The largest container of canola they had was one and a half gallons, at;
EEK!
$5:00!
So, any suggestions?
I would like to go green, not cheap, and have no place to process waste oil 
regardless. Straight veggie oil is burns cleaner, to my understanding. I don't 
mind matching the cost of pump diesel, but I sure don't want to spend $3:33 a 
gallon! Anyone in this area burning straight veggie oil? Anyone here running 
an '77-'85 Mercedes w123 240D or 300D, or an '81-'91 w126 300SD, 300SDL., 350SD 
or 350SDL?
Or even a 300SD prior to '81?
Any comments?
Thanks in advance!
Gregory.


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[biofuel] Fwd: [Bioenergy] Termiculture - Termite oil (termite biodiesel?)

2004-08-17 Thread Keith Addison


Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:50:25 -0400
From: Matt Pottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Bioenergy] Termiculture - Termite oil (termite biodiesel?)

Hello everyone I am very much interested in bioenergy and bio-based 
products. In the past, my interest lied mostly in bioenergy, but 
recently I am becoming more and more fascinated by the bio-refinery 
concept, especially those which use living organisms to convert 
biomass into useful products. In my searches I found something which 
totally has changed by perception about making use of biomass such 
as wood waste.

Instead of thermal conversion, use termites instead, they are very 
efficient at decomposing wood and converting it to animal biomass. 
This animal biomass can be used as food for agrigulture, 
aquaculture, and I am sure there could be many other uses if some 
research and development was put into this area.

Now before you go thinking this is irrelevant to bioenergy, it's a 
biorefineryl, where various products are produced, and energy 
products can be one of them (with no thermal conversion needed!) One 
thing that sparked a brainstorm in me was that Termite oil could be 
extracted from termites. If cultivated properly, termites could 
be harvested on a large scale using cellulosic wastes as an energy 
source.

Since I am also aware of biodiesel, one interesting idea I have is 
that oil, even termite oil could be extracted much the same as oil 
is extracted from sunflower or canola seeds, and converted to 
biodiesel. A termite biodiesel powered car anyone? :) Just a 
thought, to stir up some of your brains. Feasible or not, an 
interesting idea no? :) I am excited about the possibility of it 
working. I didn't come up with the idea of termiculture and I don't 
know much about it yet, but I did come up with the idea of making 
biodiesel from termites, but if any of you wish to research it, go 
ahead, but if you end up making a success about it, just remember 
who gave you the idea! hahaha ;) ohhh I get full rights to termite 
biodiesel! hahaha. my invention! prior art! lol


http://www.utoronto.ca/forest/termite/termcult.htm

Matt Pottinger



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Re: [biofuel] safety tips

2004-08-17 Thread Keith Addison

tom davis wrote:

In making testbatches of biodiesel, what safety precautions need to 
be taken to protect yourself from the sodium methoxide and the gases 
generated from the reaction?  Do I need gas masks or just a cloth 
mask anything to keep the fumes out of my eyes and lungs?

If you start here:

Where do I start?
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start

... (and you should) you'll find plenty of safety advice as you go along.

For instance:

Organic vapor cartridge respirators are more or less useless against 
methanol vapors. Professional advice is not to use organic vapor 
cartridges for longer than a few hours maximum, or not to use them 
at all. Only a supplied-air system will do (SCBA -- Self-Contained 
Breathing Apparatus).

The best advice is not to expose yourself to the fumes in the first 
place. The main danger is when the methanol is hot -- when it's cold 
or at room temperature it fumes very little, and this is easily 
avoided. Don't use open reactors -- biodiesel processors should be 
closed to the atmosphere, with no fumes escaping. All methanol 
containers should be kept tightly closed anyway to prevent water 
absorption from the air.

We transfer methanol from its container to the methoxide mixing 
container by pumping it, with no exposure at all. This is easily 
arranged, and an ordinary aquarium air-pump will do (the same one 
you use for washing the biodiesel). The methoxide is mixed like this 
-- Methoxide the easy way, which also happens to be the safe way. 
The mixture gets quite hot at first, but the container is kept 
closed and no fumes escape. When mixed, the methoxide is again 
pumped into the (closed) biodiesel processor with the aquarium 
air-pump -- there's no exposure to fumes, and it's added slowly, 
which is optimal for the process and also for safety. See Adding the 
methoxide.

It's all hot-linked, everything you need, including details on safe 
test-batch processors.

Best wishes

Keith



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Re: [biofuel] Bergen county NJ?

2004-08-17 Thread Keith Addison


Hi, any straight veggie oil burners in Bergen County, NJ?
I had been told Costco would have five gallon containers of canola oil for
$10:00, and that would bring the cost down to $2:00 a gallon. I was kicking
around the thought of converting an old '86 Mercedes 300SDL. for 
nearly a year,
but one day I realized I never bothered to even confirm availability of veggie
oil in my area. So I called Costco in Hackensack.
The largest container of canola they had was one and a half gallons, at;
EEK!
$5:00!
So, any suggestions?
I would like to go green, not cheap, and have no place to process waste oil
regardless. Straight veggie oil is burns cleaner, to my understanding.

Cleaner than biodiesel? Very dubious assumption. Or do you mean 
virgin oil burns cleaner than waste oil? Maybe, depends on the oil.

Mark recently posted a message on the pros and cons of SVO and 
biodiesel, including emissions:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37564/

And there's some emissions data and plenty of other information here:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html
Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel

If you're committed to using straight vegetable oil, your best bet is 
to find a source of good-quality used oil, which is just a matter of 
looking, and asking.

Best wishes

Keith


I don't
mind matching the cost of pump diesel, but I sure don't want to spend $3:33 a
gallon! Anyone in this area burning straight veggie oil? Anyone here running
an '77-'85 Mercedes w123 240D or 300D, or an '81-'91 w126 300SD, 
300SDL., 350SD
or 350SDL?
Or even a 300SD prior to '81?
Any comments?
Thanks in advance!
Gregory.



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[biofuel] Fwd: Homebrew generator from lawnmower

2004-08-17 Thread Keith Addison


Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:05:41 -0700
From: Tvoivozhd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Homebrew generator from lawnmower
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http://www.i4at.org/surv/tow02077.htm  (horizontal shaft version, 
vertical shaft lawnmower would be my choice--add a couple 12 volt 
batteries on top to store and release energy through welding cables 
and clamps.  Makes a good, very low cost roll-around DC welder.  It 
will weld thicker metal if you use 24 volt DC output---wire the 
12-volt generator to the batteries in parallel for charging them, 
wire the welding cables, one to the positive pole of the two 
connected 12 volt batteries, the other to the negative pole, presto, 
you've got a 24-volt DC welding setup.

http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~weinfurt/gaswelder.html  (here's an eight 
horsepower welder-generator--I'd put bicycle wheels under it if I 
was going to roll it along a gravel road or over grass to do any 
welding.



http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/equipment.htm  (some HomePower 
articles---links may be alive yet---Homepower has made most of the 
old articles accessible on CD only.  Something here on battery 
desulfator---only way to restore a sulfated battery back to life. 
You want to have a steam-powered computer, that's here too, using 
butane as the working fluid---a brainchild of the brilliant and 
eminently poverty-practical Peter Singfield in Belize.

If you're going to spend some money, put a Zena generator in place 
of the alternator in your truck engine compartment, 140 to 200 amp 
welding capacity, and it will keep your battery charged too. 
http://www.zena.net/
http://www.alaska.net/~akraven/readywelder.html  (Ready Welder (Mig 
welder) would be an even better solution, will weld stainless up to 
one half inch thick,  thin or thick aluminum)

http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/body/york/  (you should have an 
air compressor on your truck too---use a  surplus York compressor 
installed in your truck engine compartment0)



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[biofuel] Fwd: Other windpower stuff

2004-08-17 Thread Keith Addison

Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:04:33 -0700
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Forgot to include Hugh Piggot's data, including carving propellors. 
There are other, easier methods I posted long ago, including hot 
wire shaping of styrofoam blocks followed by fiberglassing them, or 
rather epoxyglassing them.  Too bad this stuff of years ago were 
posted before archives existed.  I'll see if I can find the 
tutorials somewhere else.

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[biofuel] Fwd: More on propeller design, construction, Gemini Duplicator

2004-08-17 Thread Keith Addison

Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:26:05 -0700
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Google is becoming increasingly useless---like pulling teeth to find 
this sort of information


http://www.wood-carver.com/articles.html  (Gemini propeller duplicator)

http://www.wood-carver.com/gemini.html  (Gemini Duplicator in more 
detail, prices)

http://www.exp-aircraft.com/library/alexande/composit.html  (using 
composite materials, in particular look at the Rutan
plans for a hot-wire device in the Rutan booklet called Moldless 
Composite Sandwich Homebuilt Aircraft Construction available from 
supply companies. This device is easily constructed from common 
materials.



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[biofuel] Fwd: Makiing wind generator props, following RC airplane tutorials

2004-08-17 Thread Keith Addison

Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:19:35 -0700
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You would have to scale model airplane propellors up of course.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=156678

http://website.lineone.net/~raynes.pk.mac/makeprop.htm   (laminated 
fan method, using jigs)

http://club.cycom.co.uk/tutwind/settingparameters.html  (wind 
turbine blade design software)



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Re: [biofuel] water injection question

2004-08-17 Thread robert luis rabello


R. Joseph Murphy wrote:

 Quick question
 
 This may be simple or so obvious that I over look it, but . Does anyone know
 if a water injection system has any affects on exaust gas emissions?

Yes, it does.  The water vaporizing tends to absorb a portion of 
combustion energy, thereby reducing peak cylinder temperatures.  The 
expanding steam delivers its energy as internal temperatures decline 
toward the end of the power stroke.  (It's an old axiom, but 90% of 
engine power occurs in the first 1 / 3 of engine stroke certainly 
applies, and the resulting steam from water injection extends that 
power a little longer.  For this reason, water injection was used in 
WW2 bomber aircraft to help get them off the runway.  Without it, the 
citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have never experienced atomic 
warfare.)  This reduction in peak temperatures MAY result in lower NOx 
emissions, but other variables, such as overall combustion efficiency 
and compression pressure also exert an influence.



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[biofuel] Re: Fwd: Homebrew generator from lawnmower

2004-08-17 Thread nonym

Isn't http://ww2.green-trust.org the successor to Steve Spence's WebConX site?  
Is it 
still his site?  If so, does anyone know how to contact him?  (I found no 
contact info on 
the site, and it appears to be broken in a couple spots.)

Thanks,
Terry

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[snip]
 http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/equipment.htm  (some HomePower 
 articles---links may be alive yet---Homepower has made most of the 
 old articles accessible on CD only.  Something here on battery 
 desulfator---only way to restore a sulfated battery back to life. 
 You want to have a steam-powered computer, that's here too, using 
 butane as the working fluid---a brainchild of the brilliant and 
 eminently poverty-practical Peter Singfield in Belize.
 
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Re: [biofuel] Bergen county NJ?

2004-08-17 Thread James Slayden

That reminds me, most of the WVO that I get in my area (sushi, chinese
resturants), titrate to 2 - 2 1/2.  Not too far off virgin oil that
titrates to ~1.


James

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Keith Addison wrote:

 Hi, any straight veggie oil burners in Bergen County, NJ?
 I had been told Costco would have five gallon containers of canola oil
 for
 $10:00, and that would bring the cost down to $2:00 a gallon. I was
 kicking
 around the thought of converting an old '86 Mercedes 300SDL. for
 nearly a year,
 but one day I realized I never bothered to even confirm availability of
 veggie
 oil in my area. So I called Costco in Hackensack.
 The largest container of canola they had was one and a half gallons, at;
 EEK!
 $5:00!
 So, any suggestions?
 I would like to go green, not cheap, and have no place to process waste
 oil
 regardless. Straight veggie oil is burns cleaner, to my understanding.
 
 Cleaner than biodiesel? Very dubious assumption. Or do you mean
 virgin oil burns cleaner than waste oil? Maybe, depends on the oil.
 
 Mark recently posted a message on the pros and cons of SVO and
 biodiesel, including emissions:
 http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37564/
 
 And there's some emissions data and plenty of other information here:
 http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html
 Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel
 
 If you're committed to using straight vegetable oil, your best bet is
 to find a source of good-quality used oil, which is just a matter of
 looking, and asking.
 
 Best wishes
 
 Keith
 
 
 I don't
 mind matching the cost of pump diesel, but I sure don't want to spend
 $3:33 a
 gallon! Anyone in this area burning straight veggie oil? Anyone here
 running
 an '77-'85 Mercedes w123 240D or 300D, or an '81-'91 w126 300SD,
 300SDL., 350SD
 or 350SDL?
 Or even a 300SD prior to '81?
 Any comments?
 Thanks in advance!
 Gregory.
 
 
 
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Re: [biofuel] water injection question

2004-08-17 Thread Keith Addison

Hello Robert, RJM

There's a lot of information about this here:

http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30409/
Diesel water injection - was Biodiesel burns hotter or cooler?

HTH

Best wishes

Keith


R. Joseph Murphy wrote:

  Quick question
 
  This may be simple or so obvious that I over look it, but . Does 
anyone know
  if a water injection system has any affects on exaust gas emissions?

   Yes, it does.  The water vaporizing tends to absorb a portion of
combustion energy, thereby reducing peak cylinder temperatures.  The
expanding steam delivers its energy as internal temperatures decline
toward the end of the power stroke.  (It's an old axiom, but 90% of
engine power occurs in the first 1 / 3 of engine stroke certainly
applies, and the resulting steam from water injection extends that
power a little longer.  For this reason, water injection was used in
WW2 bomber aircraft to help get them off the runway.  Without it, the
citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have never experienced atomic
warfare.)  This reduction in peak temperatures MAY result in lower NOx
emissions, but other variables, such as overall combustion efficiency
and compression pressure also exert an influence.



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Re: [biofuel] What to plant for biodiesel

2004-08-17 Thread sukumar puhan


Dear rakesh,
 Here sukumar from India.Let me introduce myself first.I finished my Master in 
technology on 2002 dec. on Internal combustion engg. From 2003 Jan. i am doing 
research on biodiesel from different oil in india like Sal ,Mahua, 
Karanja,neem, kussum,ricebrane and jatropha. So if u could know your 
envirnomental condition like temperature, rain fall and soil type then it will 
easy to decide which type of crop u can go. plz visit this web page 
www.annaijatropha.com. For further qurrey plz ask me without same.
thanks a lot for ur interest in biofuel
sukumar


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the US, will land you in jail.

Greg H.

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  Subject: Re: [biofuel] What to plant for biodiesel

  Hi Guys,

  I want to do farming for bio-diesel in USA, which plant is the best suited 
  for it? Hemp or Soyabean or something else?

  Can Jatropha be planted on USA? Is Jatropha better or hemp better?  Could you 
  point to a resource where I can find this kind of info.?

  thanks,

  rakesh




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Re: [biofuel] water injection question

2004-08-17 Thread Greg Harbican

A while back I had the misfortune of having someone who thought that they were 
going to have a bit of fun, with my Land Cruiser, only to be caught dumping 
water into the fuel tank.  After calling Gold Eagle, the makers of Heet and Iso 
Heet ( for Diesel ), and talking to one of the technicians, they said that 12 
bottles of Iso Heet for every gallon of water should take care of the problem.  
After checking the cost of Iso Heet, and talking to my mechanic, I found than 
it would be more cost effective for the mechanic to take care of the problem, 
than to buy 2.5 gal of Iso Heet for aprox 2 Gal of water in the fuel tank.

Right now I'm cleaning the fuel system, but once I'm done you can bet that I'm 
going to try some experiments with Isopropanol and water. and if they work then 
I'll move on to trying it in the fuel.

Greg H.
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  From: Keith Addison 
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 04:40
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] water injection question


  Hello Robert, RJM

  There's a lot of information about this here:

  http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30409/
  Diesel water injection - was Biodiesel burns hotter or cooler?

  HTH

  Best wishes

  Keith


  R. Joseph Murphy wrote:
  
Quick question
   
This may be simple or so obvious that I over look it, but . Does 
  anyone know
if a water injection system has any affects on exaust gas emissions?
  
Yes, it does.  The water vaporizing tends to absorb a portion of
  combustion energy, thereby reducing peak cylinder temperatures.  The
  expanding steam delivers its energy as internal temperatures decline
  toward the end of the power stroke.  (It's an old axiom, but 90% of
  engine power occurs in the first 1 / 3 of engine stroke certainly
  applies, and the resulting steam from water injection extends that
  power a little longer.  For this reason, water injection was used in
  WW2 bomber aircraft to help get them off the runway.  Without it, the
  citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have never experienced atomic
  warfare.)  This reduction in peak temperatures MAY result in lower NOx
  emissions, but other variables, such as overall combustion efficiency
  and compression pressure also exert an influence.
  
  
  
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[biofuel] Activist burnout

2004-08-17 Thread Ross Cannon

Keeping Your Eye on the Prize
By Bruce Friedrich
 
http://www.satyamag.com/jul01/friedrich.html
 
I have only been active in social justice causes full-time for about
12 years, so itâs a bit humbling to be reflecting on avoiding
burnout. Who knows: perhaps next week, Iâll throw up my hands and go
to work at the Lexus dealer around the corner. That said, I feel no
closer to burnout than I did 12 years ago, so I humor myself with the
idea that Iâm doing something right.
 
I have a feeling that others who reflect on this issue will focus on
keeping a sense of humor, taking time for yourself, not letting your
anger overwhelm you, not letting petty internecine disputes upset you
or take you over (my biggest concern about the animal movement÷how is
it that any of us can find the time to attack other animal rights
people or groups?), and so on. All of this strikes me as very good
advice. Surely, we all know people whose anger overwhelmed them÷anger
at others in the movement, at the injustices and apathy in society,
or whatever, and whose flame burned out after just a few years. The
clearest and saddest example that I know of is peace and homelessness
advocate Mitch Snyder, whose words and life have influenced me more
than perhaps anyone else. Unfortunately, Mitchâs Jeremiah-like anger
at injustice took itself out on both the powers of violence and other
activists, often with equal force and little sense of perspective;
Mitchâs passion overwhelmed him to such a degree that he took his own
life in 1990, and we are all worse-off for his loss. So, I do take
this seriously÷the need to keep a sense of perspective and not
overwhelm oneself with the magnitude of the injustice.
 
But when I think about the need to avoid burnout, I think about my
friends who have been focusing on long-term battles for social
justice for much longer than I have, and I think about the traits
that seem (to me) to get them through. I think of my friends in the
peace movement who have been going strong since the 1960s-Philip
Berrigan and Liz McAlister, Jim and Shelly Douglass, Tom Lewis. In
the animal movement, I think without question of Ingrid Newkirk, who
works harder than anyone I've ever met, in any movement. It's
humbling to even reflect on the lives of these people, all of whom
could be much more successful, from a worldly perspective, but who
have put money, self, ego, and so on, aside to focus their lives on
making the world a better place.
 
What is it that characterizes the lives of these amazing people? I
may have it entirely wrong, of course, but what I see as the central
theme based on my time with each of them, is that these remarkable
people ãkeep their eyes on the prizeä (to quote that civil rights
anthem). It is difficult to spend even five minutes with any of them
without recognizing that they have a steadfast focus on the long-term
struggle. What seems to characterize those who have kept at it for
many years is a sense of purpose, an understanding that whatever
minor pitfalls may befall us on the way, the suffering of those
victimized by imperialism and the animals victimized by the
industries of exploitation makes any sorrows we experience seem minor
by comparison. I suppose itâs almost tautological to say that those
who leave the movement have taken their eyes off the prize. But
perhaps itâs also accurate to suggest that perhaps they were never
really focused on the long-term struggle to begin with.
 
About a year ago, a very dear friend of mine÷Art÷lost his brother to
a cruel attack behind the soup kitchen in Hartford, Connecticut where
he worked as a volunteer. Art has been active in peace and justice
work, living in voluntary poverty, running soup kitchens and shelters
and going to jail for nonviolent civil disobedience, since the
mid-1970s. I still see him, carrying the torch of nonviolence,
whenever I attend any peace and justice events. If anyone has an
excuse to drop out of activism, get a ãrealä job, and return to the
world of acquisition and self-absorption, itâs Art. Yet he continues.
He remembers that there is a battle for justice going on, and that
every person is crucial in the struggle.
 
I am reading Peter Singerâs Writings on an Ethical Life
(HarperCollins 2000) right now. In his essay, ãFamine, Affluence, and
Morality,ä Singer argues that what we do not absolutely need belongs
to the less fortunate: ãPeople do not feel in any way ashamed or
guilty about spending money on new clothes or a new car instead of
giving it to famine relief. (Indeed, the alternative does not occur
to them.) This way of looking at the matter cannot be justified·We
ought to give the money away, and it is wrong not to do so.ä Those
schooled in the social justice tenets of Judaism and Christianity
will recognize this argument as an extrapolation of the dictum to ãDo
unto others, as you would have them do unto you;ä and Jesusâ
directive to: ãGo, sell all that you have, and give to the poor.ä St.
Thomas Aquinas, quoted by Singer, puts 

[biofuel] Oil

2004-08-17 Thread Ross Cannon

A Push for Freedom from Oil 
By Jim VandeHei and Mary Fitzgerald 
Washington Post 
Saturday 07 August 2004 
 
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/080804E.shtml
 
With crude oil prices hitting new highs, Democrats call for
investment in alternative fuels, vehicles.
Smithville, Mo., - Sen. John F. Kerry said Friday that the United
States should set a goal of deriving 20 percent of its motor fuel
from domestic sources such as hydrogen, ethanol and biodiesel by
2020. 
 
At a large, picturesque family-owned farm here in politically
divided Clay County, the Democratic presidential candidate proposed
spending $30 billion over the next 10 years on a mix of grants, tax
incentives and government mandates to expedite the creation of a new
generation of automobiles and sport-utility vehicles and renewable
fuels produced in the United States to power them. 
 
Kerry has been talking about energy independence since the
primaries, and the only new spending program he offered Friday was a
$5 billion program - called the clean fuels partnership - to
encourage the production of new and often cleaner-burning fuels and
vehicles. The Democratic ticket announced that it will lead by
example: Kerry said he and his running mate, Sen. John Edwards
(N.C.), are each on a waiting list to purchase the 2005 Ford Escape
hybrid, which runs on gasoline and electricity. Sticker price:
$27,000 and up, according to Ford. 
 
Kerry came under fire earlier in the campaign for claiming he did
not own a gas-guzzling SUV, when it turned out his wife did. 
 
Alternative fuels are America's next great wave of discovery,
Kerry said on the second day of a whistle-stop train tour headed
west. It's good health practice, good farming practice, good
economic policy and good national security policy. With farmers and
their families, a mix of young and old, sitting on hay bales, Kerry
said, We're not just going to make this feasible, we want to people
to be excited about it - this is the future. 
 
Critics say it will take more than excitement to meet Kerry's
goal: This year, less than 1.5 percent of motor fuel is coming from
alternative sources, according to the Energy Information
Administration. These fuels and the vehicles powered by them are
often very costly to produce. Consumers often complain about inferior
performance of alternative-fuel vehicles, a technology still in its
infancy. There is little existing infrastructure, such as filling
stations offering fuels such as ethanol or biodiesel. 
 
Automakers and oil producers are also two of the better-funded
and most influential business sectors, with long track records of
beating back efforts in Washington to raise mileage standards for
vehicles and create alternatives to oil. 
 
Still, President Bush and Kerry consider energy one of the
central issues of this election, aides say. The twin threats of
higher oil prices and unrest in the Middle East, the source of a
large portion of the nation's oil, are stirring anxiety among many
voters, especially lower-income Americans hit hardest by rising
prices at the pump, polls show. More than 60 percent of U.S. oil is
imported - roughly one-quarter of it from the Middle East. Oil prices
neared a record high of $45 a 42-gallon barrel on Friday. 
 
Kerry's aides believe the Democratic ticket is ideally positioned
to benefit from this anxiety because Bush's energy plan was rejected
by Congress (with the help of Edwards and Kerry) and the war in Iraq
is serving as a constant reminder of how Bush's Middle East policies
are contributing to higher oil and gas prices. 
 
We know the impact [oil] can have on our economy as a whole. We
know what it can do to our security because as long as we are
dependent on oil from the Middle East, it tends to drive our policy
in that part of the world, Edwards said. 
 
Moreover, many of the battleground states are in the Midwest,
where proposals to turn corn, soy and biomass into fuel are welcome
news to farmers getting lower prices for their crops and paying more
to produce them. Studies show production costs are outpacing
increases in crop prices from many farmers. 
 
Here in Clay County, where Al Gore defeated Bush by just 25 votes
in 2000, many farmers invited to the event complained about falling
prices for grain and competition from larger agribusinesses and
foreign countries. As one farmer noted during the question-and-answer
session, just talking about family farming wins votes in these parts.
Kerry and Edwards did not disappoint. They put on their blue jeans,
rolled up their sleeves and struck folksy tones in a long
conversation with fewer than 100 locals surrounded by grazing horses
and rolling green fields. 
 
Kerry even played the role of Farmer John, waxing nostalgic about
a couple of days he spent on an uncle's farm nearly a half century
ago. There was nothing more rewarding at the end of the day than
being covered in dust and feeling dirty but looking behind you and

Re: [biofuel] miscibility of ethanol

2004-08-17 Thread Martin Klingensmith



Larosa Rodolfo wrote:
 [Edited to change subject title, was Re: [biofuel] What to plant for 
 biodiesel, and to delete irrelevant previous message. KA]
 
 Please, I need information about miscibility of ethanol - gasoline. If do
 you have this information (trables, graphics, ecc)  is possible send me.
 Thank You
 
 Rodolfo


Hello Rodolfo,
Ethanol can only be mixed with gasoline if it contains no water - 100% 
alcohol. Otherwise it will not mix without a lot of additives such as 
benzene.

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[biofuel] ANWR truth

2004-08-17 Thread Ross Cannon

Arctic drilling dance
A David and Goliath battle is being waged to save Alaskaâs arctic. The
actors in this play are George W. Bush as ãGoliath,ä while the national
environmental movement, filling in for Gwichâin natives, plays ãDavid.ä
The setting is the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), in the extreme
northeast corner of Alaska. The imminent threat is a Senate energy bill
to allow oil exploration there. 
While not entirely inaccurate, this dominant imagery is a delusion. 
George W. Bush is not Goliath. Drilling here has gone full-steam ahead
under every president since Jimmy Carter. 
As for ãDavid,ä far from it. The coalition, represented by the Washington
DC-based Alaska Wilderness League, includes every major national
environmental organization÷the Sierra Club, Wilderness Society, World
Wildlife Fund, National Audubon Society, Natural Resources Defense
Council (NRDC), etc. They have spent millions over the last decade
ãsavingä ANWR. They have raised many millions more. 
Consider a recent NRDC fundraising plea, which urges you to buy their
polar bear tote bag, claiming that as ãthe perfect way to show that
youâre working to keep the Arctic Wild and Free!ä 
The ANWR political battle dominates perceptions of Alaskaâs arctic and
the oil industryâs role here. But ANWR is not synonymous with ãthe
arctic.ä Its coastal plain is a fraction of the arctic ecosystem. As for
ãkeepingä it wild and free, theyâve been drilling feverishly for nearly
three decades. 
Truth is, ANWR could actually be among the safest places in Alaska. Truth
is, this ãsave the arcticä song and dance is a ritualistic political
exercise in which everybody wins except the actual arctic. 
Every year, there is a proposal to drill in ANWR. Every year, it is
defeated. Every year, environmentalists claim victory. With your generous
donation they will do it again next year. Every year, pro-drilling
politicians claim victory too, proudly displaying battlescars. With your
vote, they will return to give it another go. Our noble David is winning
every battle, but losing the war. These victories come at the price of
annual compromises to the oil industry. 
This year, they have gone too far. In a bid to buy the rights to fight
the ANWR battle again next year, ãGang Greenä is endorsing the single
largest private construction project in the history of humankind. And
thatâs just the beginning. 
Gasline: The Largest Private Construction Project Ever 
Alaskaâs arctic contains huge amounts of natural gas. Typically found in
the same places as oil, existing wells suck trillions of cubic feet of
the stuff out of the ground. With no way to get it to market, most of it
is pumped back in again. 
The industry pipe dream, kicked around since the early Î70âs, is to
construct a 1,800-mile, $15-20 billion pipeline from Prudhoe Bay, south
to Alberta, where it will link to an existing system serving
Chicago-based markets. This dream may soon become a reality. The Alaska
Gas Producers Pipeline Team÷a consortium of BP, Phillips and Exxon÷is in
the midst of a $100 million feasibility study scheduled for completion in
November. 
Political boosters are numerous and powerful. The gasline is Alaska
Governor Tony Knowlesâ top priority and is high on Democrat and
Republican energy policies. A ãwish listä to ãstreamlineä regulatory
review is currently circulating in Congress. 
The ãenergy crisisä is being ãsolvedä to an alarming degree by new
gas-fired electric plants. Lower-48 gas fields are drying up quick. A
huge increase in consumption must be supported from elsewhere, making the
economic prospects look solid. 
Perhaps most significantly, there has been ãa turnaround in public
sentiment from the early â70âs, when political and environmental
opposition and poor economics killed several pipeline proposals,ä
according to an August 2000 article in the Oil and Gas Journal. So
dramatic is this shift that the environmental establishment is endorsing
the idea it once killed. Increased extraction of natural gas, and
particularly the Alaska gasline, is ãa key part of NRDCâs energy
policy÷the bridge to greater reliance on cleaner and renewable forms of
energyä (NRDC Energy Policy, 2001). 
Construction of a gasline would have incredible environmental, social and
economic consequences. Any of the proposed routes would open up vast
areas of pristine wilderness unfortunate enough to contain natural gas.
Despite a puzzlingly common belief that a gasline would ãtake the heat
offä ANWR, a profitable arctic gas industry would greatly amplify
earnings, causing more drilling across the region. 
Suddenly cheap power would spawn massive industrial development along the
route. A University of Alaska-Fairbanks professor recently testified that
the gasline could open up $50 billion worth of mineral deposits in Alaska
alone. Construction itself would come at a great cost. Even a sympathetic
review of the last Alaska pipelineâs construction presents a grave
warning÷devastating socio-economic 

Re: [biofuel] water injection question

2004-08-17 Thread Martin Klingensmith




Greg Harbican wrote:
 A while back I had the misfortune of having someone who thought that they 
 were going to have a bit of fun, with my Land Cruiser, only to be caught 
 dumping water into the fuel tank.  After calling Gold Eagle, the makers of 
 Heet and Iso Heet ( for Diesel ), and talking to one of the technicians, they 
 said that 12 bottles of Iso Heet for every gallon of water should take care 
 of the problem.  After checking the cost of Iso Heet, and talking to my 
 mechanic, I found than it would be more cost effective for the mechanic to 
 take care of the problem, than to buy 2.5 gal of Iso Heet for aprox 2 Gal of 
 water in the fuel tank.
 
 Right now I'm cleaning the fuel system, but once I'm done you can bet that 
 I'm going to try some experiments with Isopropanol and water. and if they 
 work then I'll move on to trying it in the fuel.
 
 Greg H.

Hi Greg,
A mechanic charged you less than $24 to do something to your truck?

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Re: [biofuel] water injection question

2004-08-17 Thread Greg Harbican

He has been the family mechanic for over 15 years, and he charged me only $35, 
as it was, the estimated 2.5 gal of Iso Heet was going to cost $45+ at local 
prices.  It was a 3 gal container that was used, and only about a gal was left 
in it, so we were looking at around 2 gal of water or about 26 of the little 
bottles of Iso Heet.

Greg H.
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  A mechanic charged you less than $24 to do something to your truck?

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[biofuel] USA ethanol production

2004-08-17 Thread spriggsbororon

Here is a link to USA ethanol production. There are links to each 
state showing plants proposed and operating.

http://www.ethanol.org/production.html

Question- Is ethanol production restricted through regulation in 
other countries similar to the USA because of the fact one would have 
to have use a distiller? Where, biodiesel production dispenses with 
that need?

Thanks,
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[biofuel] Re: multitude of questions regarding Methanol recovery

2004-08-17 Thread Toby Schmid

Hello all.
As a physics and chemistry dunce, I have some questions for some gurus here:

 1) Just how much vacuum is required to extract the excess methanol? I've read 
somewhere that around 25hg is sufficient. Would a Airco compressor from a car 
create enough vacuum?

2) how much heat is required?

3) is heat/vacuum applied to entire product( biodiesel and glycerine), or only 
the drained off glycerine.

4) With my limited understanding of physics it would seem that if one where to 
suck the contents of a container out, one would have to allow air or some other 
substance back in to fill the void (ie one hole only in an oil can - you 
wouldn't be able to pour it). As this applies to meth recovery, would you open 
a vent on your reactor in order to provide flow of the evaporated meth to the 
condensor???

and lastly. . 
 5) on the water heater processors, what is done with the anode?


regards,
Toby 

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Re: [biofuel] miscibility of ethanol

2004-08-17 Thread Larosa Rodolfo


Hello Martin,

Thank you for your reply. 
But which is the maximun solubility of absolute ethanol in gasoline  and 
gasoline in absolute ethanol ? Are there graphics or tables  ?

Thank You

Rodolfo
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  Subject: Re: [biofuel] miscibility of ethanol




  Larosa Rodolfo wrote:
   [Edited to change subject title, was Re: [biofuel] What to plant for 
biodiesel, and to delete irrelevant previous message. KA]
   
   Please, I need information about miscibility of ethanol - gasoline. If do
   you have this information (trables, graphics, ecc)  is possible send me.
   Thank You
   
   Rodolfo
  

  Hello Rodolfo,
  Ethanol can only be mixed with gasoline if it contains no water - 100% 
  alcohol. Otherwise it will not mix without a lot of additives such as 
  benzene.

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[biofuel] Re: diesel motorcycles

2004-08-17 Thread moonmen944

this one is diesel/electric
http://www.ecycle.com/powersports/hybrid.htm#PrinciplesOfOperation

hope this helps.

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[biofuel] Re: diesel motorcycles

2004-08-17 Thread moonmen944

here's another source of links:
http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/diesel.htm
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Re: [biofuel] miscibility of ethanol

2004-08-17 Thread Martin Klingensmith




Larosa Rodolfo wrote:
 Hello Martin,
 
 Thank you for your reply. 
 But which is the maximun solubility of absolute ethanol in gasoline  and 
 gasoline in absolute ethanol ? Are there graphics or tables  ?
 
 Thank You
 
 Rodolfo

They should be miscible at any ratio.

One thing I would like to experiment with is ratios of ethanol (incl. 
some water) + methanol + gasoline. Methanol allows gasoline to absorb 
some water but I don't know how the whole mix would work out.

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