Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel
Diesel fuel filters and fuel / water separators for fuel lines in truck engines are from 30 microns down to 5. I've seen one fuel / water separator that claims 2 microns. - Original Message - From: Ed Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Greetings greasy-ones, Some clarification please, I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly. 10 micron is .000394 inch, that's pretty darn small. Even 20 micron at .00079 inch is vey small. For perspective (for me anyway), the thickness of paper is around .004 inch (100 micron) and human hair is about half that at .0025 inch (70 micron). At .0016 inch, 20 micron seems to be adaquate. Yet many people seem to be filtering down to 5 micron. Are the tolerances in the fuel pump that close? Someone on this sight rated typical restaurant paper cone grease filters at about 25 micron, is that accurate? Your thoughts, 10 microns is a normal filter size for diesel engines, unless equipped with a common-rail system. So, filtering at 10 microns is good, 5 microns even better assuming that the biodiesel has an abnormal content of solids which will lead to filter clogging very rapidly. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
Just to start debate on something I think about everyday, when I get into my LandCruiser. I wonder how much extra fuel is being used, because of the small engine size, climbing all the hills around here. Still, I'm not knocking the 20 mpg I'm getting now, I just keep thinking it could get better with a bigger / more powerful engine. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 20:20 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement? This is not what I understood as your intent from your original post, which seemed to me could be seeking a justification for using overpowered vehicles, and too generic to provide a substantive response that could reliably guide decisions on engine selection. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] pussy makes car Purrrrrr
This article is posted above Bede wrote: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2ObjectID=10345772 A German has angered animal rights groups by inventing an organic fuel containing run-over cat remains. Inventor Christian Koch, 55, of Saxony, told the Bild newspaper he had gone 170,000km without a problem in his car on the biofuel. A 50-litre tank used about 20 cats and cost a fifth of usual diesel to produce, he said. Bede Meredith Phone +64 21 892 801 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.codesmith.info ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Question about E85
you can check to see if your car will run e85 @ wwwe85fuel.comAngela Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if anything has to be done to the fuel system if you're planning on running E-85 in your vehicle? I have heard conflicting stories. I have a 2001 Chevy Impala that I would fill up with E85. I've been using 10% Ethanol with no problems. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Angela Cook ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
Hello David, Zeke. The problem with diesel engines is that it until now has been difficult to mix the fuel and the air into a homogenous mixture. Gasoline (or even ethanol that matter )are much more voilate and mixes more easily with air. The black diesel smoke occurs when there is local oxygen shortage in the cylinder. As for acceleration and increased load conditions, the pump is supplying fuel in order to compensate for the higher demand for extra fuel. The main idea behind the high pressure common rail systems is that the injection time is much more rapid and that smaller drops of the fuel is created, which brings two advantages: The extra time surplus allows the fuel to mix better with the air, The smaller fuel drops also mixes more easily with the air. So, the problem with slow and black smoking diesels is practically gone with the high pressure injection systems Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement? Zeke Yewdall wrote: One major way acceleration hurts is that engines are set to richen the mixture during hard acceleration in order to prevent detonation (knocking, pinging) at high cylinder pressures. Does this apply to diesel engines which almost always operate with excess oxygen? Not if the diesel is setup properly. When the black smoke (soot) starts coming out it's because there's not enough oxygen for all the fuel. Short of that you're all set. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] MEPs caught up in hydrogen hype?
http://www.euractiv.com/Article?_lang=ENtcmuri=tcm:29-144195-16type=News Several MEPs called on 12 September for a fundamental shift away from the oil era into the green hydrogen economy. But is their initiative based on science or inspired by political hype? FD ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The biofuel puzzle
Hi everyone, New here, greetings. :D I hv been doing some readings regarding energy and fuel. And i find this biofuel stuff very interesting. And so i follow the topic for sometime. Dig into clean efficient performance diesel engines, even pick my favourite model of vehicle i gonna get someday(the usual day dreaming before someone else shout to mego back to work~). And then i come to this point, where i found that you will void your warrenty if you put so and so biodiesel into your car, especially most car only allow up to B5. And even more do not recommend fatty acid into your tank, and dont even have any automaker(as i know) have any progress in researching a better biodiesel engine(eg, toyota focus on synergy drive, merc doing syndiesel research, BMW doing their H2 car etc). And then i have lots of doubts, is Biodiesel harmful? Will they destroy my commonrail injection system? Will they melt something inside the engine? will i ever have cheap biodiesel to refuel? etc etc. I start getting disappointed, for what i have admire so much in, is just some, erm, they are not usable in the end. And then i start notice one thing. The fuel makers always say their fuel is pretty darn good, hydrogen researcher keep hightlighting hydrogen contain more energy then a mass equivalent of gasoline, FT syndiesel reaearcher advertising how clean their diesel is and how available their biomass feedstock is, some also saying how good is ethanol is, and of course, how delicious is biodiesel is compare to yucky dinodiesel. Even heard claims about how unsustainable biodiesel is and how unsustainable organic farming is(read that on a agriculture magazine i brought), saying that to feed the world we will need to clear all the forest and jungle if we want to do 100% organic farming(btw, why those organic vege always smaller anyway, i read people can plant giant tomato with organic fertilizer), so and so. (therefore we should all eat GM maize that contain scorpion DNA? Dont think anyone will like it) And then i realised one thing, we simply cannot believe in everything we come into. Of course advertiser will want you to believe in what they want you to believe in. The truth, is always hidden or negleted. We are just doing what we think is correct. The true final answer to biofuel, i am still searching. Lately, wow, gas prices are soaring(well in malaysia here still lucky thou, we are 'only' have some 10 cents price rise to RM1.62 per liter, note: RM3.79 =~ USD1). But i am happy for this, some might think i am sick, some might share my opinion. Coz, fossile fuel price up means biofuels prices more competitive. They are only digging themselves a grave if the big oily people love frying the oil prices. Cheers. Regards. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] pure ethanol
making pure ethanol is difficult because there is azeotrop phenomena in ethanol-water mixture. I have tried to make pure ethanol by reaction the liquid with lime. I get 99% ethanol H2O + CaO ---Ca(OH)2. Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Tom Irwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I still have horrible problems making BioD with 100% ethanol (purchased)but I'm still working on it. You probly know this already, but adding even 10-15%methanol to the anhydrous ethanol makes the reactiongo markedly better.-K__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] MEPs caught up in hydrogen hype?
When i was highschool, i was worrying that if all vehicle burning hydrogen and take oxygen from our atmosphere, we will all run out of oxygen!(since plants only take in CO2 and release O2) Electrolysis will produce hydrogen and oxygen also, but if we all lack of oxygen then the oxygen produced will all be bottled and sold for more profit! No more free air we have! What a childish mind i had, i was young thou, but this still preventing me from believing in any hydrogen economy thing. Especially reading a lot regarding this unpractical technology talking about how bad it is. But using hydrogen as an energy source to replace the current world demand of energy will need a massive RD effort andmajor investment. from the article you posted. It feel like saying to live forever you must replace your meat and bones with cyborg parts and seal your brain in a titanium case, but we will need a massive RD effort and major investment to make this happen. Cheers Regards On 9/16/05, Frantz DESPREZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.euractiv.com/Article?_lang=ENtcmuri=tcm:29-144195-16type=NewsSeveral MEPs called on 12 September for a fundamental shift away from the oil era into the green hydrogen economy. But is their initiativebased on science or inspired by political hype?FD___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] turbo diesels
Hi I am a newbie to the biodiesel world and am keen to start creating my own fuel. I have managed to scavenge materials to make a basic processor, but have a simple question before making biodiesel and putting in my car. Is there any known effect in adding biodiesel to a turbo diesel engine? Knowing the basics about a diesel engine and a turbo I would think not, but would really appreciate any inputs regarding this matter. Thanks Darryl West ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] turbo diesels
Hello Darryl, I can only rewiev results from surveys in the litterature, suggesting that the exhaust values are improving if the engine is over-charged. This goes for biodiesel as well as petro diesel. Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Darryl West To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 8:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] turbo diesels Hi I am a newbie to the biodiesel world and am keen to start creating my own fuel. I have managed to scavenge materials to make a basic processor, but have a simple question before making biodiesel and putting in my car. Is there any known effect in adding biodiesel to a turbo diesel engine? Knowing the basics about a diesel engine and a turbo I would think not, but would really appreciate any inputs regarding this matter. Thanks Darryl West ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] pussy makes car Purrrrrr
I May well be wrong and i hope so animal rights groups what about human rights? but at the end of wwII the germans had a fuel shortage. I so hope i am wrong with this ! The Germans used (recycled) everything from the DEATH camps. They cooked the dead humans In the ovens ? I once saw the trays in the ovens and think i saw what looked like a drain... I am not anti german in anyway. I am more asking the question if thelepard tanks that had such deverstating power were run on a fuel that may have been human fat. This hole concept sickens me but i have to ask if humans can be so evil? to kill cats_humans to power there greed to control. Alex. I hope i am wrong From: "Bede" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: "Biofuel" Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] pussy makes car PurrDate: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:50:38 +1200http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2ObjectID=10345772 A German has angered animal rights groups by inventing an organic fuelcontaining run-over cat remains.Inventor Christian Koch, 55, of Saxony, told the Bild newspaper he had gone"170,000km without a problem" in his car on the biofuel.A 50-litre tank used about 20 cats and cost a fifth of usual diesel toproduce, he said.Bede MeredithPhone +64 21 892 801Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.codesmith.info___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] pussy makes car Purrrrrr
Feline Groovy German inventor denies using dead cats to make biodiesel German inventor Christian Koch says he's patented a way to convert trash into eco-friendly, high-quality biodiesel fuel that costs one-fifth the going price of diesel in his home country. To produce the alternative fuel, Koch claims he uses waste including paper, textiles, and plastics -- but no dead cats. Got that? Koch is trying to set the record straight after the German paper Bild ran a story claiming he used run-over cats as raw material -- for a tank he needs 20 pussies, read Tuesday's headline. On Wednesday, the paper asked, Can you really make fuel out of cats? and quoted an angry Wolfgang Apel, president of the German Society for the Protection of Animals, who admonished that using felines in such a fashion is outlawed in Germany. Bild now says it was just trying to make a theoretical point about Koch's process. I've never used cats and would never think of that, says the inventor. At most the odd toad may have jumped in. http://www.grist.org/news/daily/2005/09/15/ ...A spokesman for Bild told Reuters the story was meant to show that cat remains could in theory be used to make fuel with Koch's patented method. The author of the story said Koch had never told him directly that he had used dead cats as the story implied http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNewsstoryID=2005-09-14T160628Z_01_MAR457954_RTRIDST_0_OUKOE-UK-GERMANY-CATS.XML - Original Message - From: John Donahue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] pussy makes car Purr This article is posted above Bede wrote: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2ObjectID=10345772 A German has angered animal rights groups by inventing an organic fuel containing run-over cat remains. Inventor Christian Koch, 55, of Saxony, told the Bild newspaper he had gone 170,000km without a problem in his car on the biofuel. A 50-litre tank used about 20 cats and cost a fifth of usual diesel to produce, he said. Bede Meredith Phone +64 21 892 801 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.codesmith.info ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel in SC
Hello Folks in South Carolina, If you are interested in learning more about making biodiesel, I invite you to take a road trip up here to central North Carolina. Every Sunday afternoon we give free tour of our farm small scale biodiesel production facility in Moncure, North Carolina. www.biofuels.coop/directions Also we have a biofuels workshop at the local community college coming up next week. http://www..edu/Sustainability/index.html I believe the whole day of workshops costs $60. Hope this is helpful information. Good luck, Rachel Burton Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] PEEE YEEEUUU BAD FAT
I just aquired some WVO from the restraunt and It smells like a rancid rendering plant. Is this stuff worth using to make Bio? I heated it up to drive off the water but it is really dark. I have not titrated it yet. I am not sure I even want to touch it any more Yucky stuff.. Will this stuff work for Bio? I can get it fresher in the future, as they change the oil, the owner said I could bring my tank over. So I will have some control in the future. Any suggestions? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fw: ethanol
- Original Message - From: "Ken Provost" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 8:57 AM Subject: ethanol Attention: Mr. Tom Irwin Dear Mr. Irwin: It would be great to exchange experiences about biodiesel using ethanol and KOH. In my case I tryed to transesterify beef tallow... I still can not separate glycerine from biodiesel. Hint from some friend of mine: Add (20% with respect to lippid employed)a hot and saturated KCl solution to promote splitting, it has to do with a phenomena called "common ion". Best wishes, Mr. F.J. Burgos ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] pussy makes car Purrrrrr
Hello Alex and all I May well be wrong and i hope so animal rights groups what about human rights? Indeed. But in the end, if it's going to work right, it amounts to the same thing. Meanwhile: $17 billion a year is spent on pet food in Europe and the United States. Debt relief for the 20 worst affected countries would cost between US $5.5 billion to $7.7 billion, less than the cost of ONE stealth bomber. Basic education for all would cost $6 billion a year; - $8 billion is spent annually for cosmetics in the United States alone. Installation of water and sanitation for all would cost $9 billion plus some annual costs; - $11 billion is spent annually on ice cream in Europe. Reproductive health services for all women would cost $12 billion a year; - $12 billion a year is spent on perfumes in Europe and the United States. Basic health care and nutrition would cost $13 billion; - $17 billion a year is spent on pet food in Europe and the United States. $35 billion is spent on business entertainment in Japan; $50 billion on cigarettes in Europe; $105 billion on alcoholic drinks in Europe; $400 billion on narcotic drugs around the world; and $780 billion on the world's militaries. -- From: Globalization Facts and Figures http://learningpartnership.org/facts/global.phtml but at the end of wwII the germans had a fuel shortage. From before that I think, there were shortages of just about everything by the end of the war. The Germans made Fischer-Tropsch synfuel from brown coal to fuel the tanks and aircraft. This cat fiasco fuel is Fischer-Tropsch synfuel of some kind. I so hope i am wrong with this ! The Germans used (recycled) everything from the DEATH camps. This is a can of worms IMHO. If I said they were Nazis, which makes things a little clearer, someone would probably accuse me of trying to water it down. I'm not trying to water it down. Someone'll probably say the same thing if I bring the Japanese and Harbin and Unit 731 into it. How about the deals the US made in exchange for the medical records and data of the human experiments in Harbin? (Experiments made on American captives, among others.) Didn't that apply somewhat to the Nazi research in the death camps too? Do we really want to get into all this? Otherwise it's just dumping on the Germans, most of whom weren't even alive then, and it doesn't do the dead any good service either. Anyway, I may also be wrong, as ever, but AFAIK there was no fuel from the death camps, they did make soap from it, or perhaps not, depending which version you read. Apparently the soap was used by the inmates. For the Nazis it was probably a choice between that soap or no soap for death-camp inmates. Whether it was soap or fuel or both or neither, would it make the death camp atrocities any better or any worse? It's just a distraction. The whole thing could hardly have been more atrocious than it was, embroidering it is surely superfluous. Best wishes Keith They cooked the dead humans In the ovens ? I once saw the trays in the ovens and think i saw what looked like a drain... I am not anti german in anyway. I am more asking the question if the lepard tanks that had such deverstating power were run on a fuel that may have been human fat. This hole concept sickens me but i have to ask if humans can be so evil? to kill cats_humans to power there greed to control. Alex. I hope i am wrong From: Bede [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] pussy makes car Purr Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:50:38 +1200 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2ObjectID=10345772 A German has angered animal rights groups by inventing an organic fuel containing run-over cat remains. Inventor Christian Koch, 55, of Saxony, told the Bild newspaper he had gone 170,000km without a problem in his car on the biofuel. A 50-litre tank used about 20 cats and cost a fifth of usual diesel to produce, he said. Bede Meredith Phone +64 21 892 801 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.codesmith.info ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel can be made from dead cats
I followed a link in another thread to www.slashdot.org and found this: BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) -- A German inventor said he has developed a method to produce crude oil products from waste that he believes can be an answer to the soaring costs of fuel, but denied a German newspaper story implying he also used dead cats. http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/09/14/germany.catfuel.reut/index.html Brian Rodgers These journalists, tut tut. Pity about the toad just the same, even just an odd one that may not have been there. How can he not know whether a toad hopped in or not but it might have? We get inundated by little bright green frogs in the rice-growing season, they're champion blind leapers, they get everywhere, we have to spend time saving their lives, but we never got one in the biodiesel, and if we had we'd have known about it. (So would the frog.) Someone should at least lobby the German government to develop official quality standards for biofuels potentially derived from odd toads, and even even ones. After all, this isn't the first time: http://www.thehumorarchives.com/humor/457.html Frog in a blender Todd is entirely to blame for this (but he says you can use a canoe paddle instead). Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] PEEE YEEEUUU BAD FAT
I don't know if it can be used or not. When running WVO directly, we only used stuff that smelled good. The dark color may be okay, if it is still clear, not murky and opaque. I have bought commercial biodiesel that was supposedly ASTM certified, but smelled rancid too. Personally, I wouldn't use it. On 9/16/05, JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just aquired some WVO from the restraunt and It smells like a rancid rendering plant. Is this stuff worth using to make Bio? I heated it up to drive off the water but it is really dark. I have not titrated it yet. I am not sure I even want to touch it any more Yucky stuff.. Will this stuff work for Bio? I can get it fresher in the future, as they change the oil, the owner said I could bring my tank over. So I will have some control in the future. Any suggestions? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] fuel from dead turkeys, and plasma technology
I've followed this one since seeing an article in Discover magazine, and having worked on a similar project http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/11/1125_031125_turkeyoil.ht ml One of many such technologies. http://www.magnegas.com/ I can also post pictures of the device I built that looks awfully similar :) Andy ** ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method
Hi Ken, Yes, I've read that but I'm trying to avoid using anything petro based. Yeah, I know I'm being a purist but I have some spare time. Thanks, Tom From: Ken Provost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:06:46 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method--- Tom Irwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I still have horrible problems making BioD with 100% ethanol (purchased)but I'm still working on it. You probly know this already, but adding even 10-15%methanol to the anhydrous ethanol makes the reactiongo markedly better.-K__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel can be made from dead cats
As disgusting as we (I) may find making fuel out of animals, there is already an entire industry devoted to turning dead animals (mostly farm animals such as cows, chickens, horses etc) into various products. Soap. Glue. Food for other supposedly vegetarian animals such as cows (mad cow disease?). There's a large rendering plant in northern colorado that you can smell down here when the wind blows the wrong way, turning dead cows into who knows what. While in a completely sane world, we might not eat so much meat or have the giant factory farms that need to dispose of the waste, but for now, it exists, so why shouldn't we put it to use to address transportation needs? On 9/16/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I followed a link in another thread to www.slashdot.org and found this: BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) -- A German inventor said he has developed a method to produce crude oil products from waste that he believes can be an answer to the soaring costs of fuel, but denied a German newspaper story implying he also used dead cats. http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/09/14/germany.catfuel.reut/index.html Brian Rodgers These journalists, tut tut. Pity about the toad just the same, even just an odd one that may not have been there. How can he not know whether a toad hopped in or not but it might have? We get inundated by little bright green frogs in the rice-growing season, they're champion blind leapers, they get everywhere, we have to spend time saving their lives, but we never got one in the biodiesel, and if we had we'd have known about it. (So would the frog.) Someone should at least lobby the German government to develop official quality standards for biofuels potentially derived from odd toads, and even even ones. After all, this isn't the first time: http://www.thehumorarchives.com/humor/457.html Frog in a blender Todd is entirely to blame for this (but he says you can use a canoe paddle instead). Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] turbo diesels
The injection system should be the deciding factor on how well biodiesel or SVO will run in a diesel engine. As far as I know, the presence or absence of a turbo doesn't affect it as far as will it work. It may affect emisions I suppose. Since some people report a little less power with biodiesel than petro-diesel, having a turbo could actually help driveability because it has more power to begin with. I've been running biodiesel in a turbodiesel truck for 2,000 miles without problems, and WVO in a turbodiesel schoolbus for 10,000 miles with no engine issues (filter issues are a different problem, somewhat unrelated to the WVO in our case) Both are old style mechanical injection indirect injection systems. On 9/16/05, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Darryl, I can only rewiev results from surveys in the litterature, suggesting that the exhaust values are improving if the engine is over-charged. This goes for biodiesel as well as petro diesel. Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Darryl West To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 8:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] turbo diesels Hi I am a newbie to the biodiesel world and am keen to start creating my own fuel. I have managed to scavenge materials to make a basic processor, but have a simple question before making biodiesel and putting in my car. Is there any known effect in adding biodiesel to a turbo diesel engine? Knowing the basics about a diesel engine and a turbo I would think not, but would really appreciate any inputs regarding this matter. Thanks Darryl West ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
The stock transmission was a close ratio 5 speed, which ends up doing about 4k rpm at 70mph. The only way I can explain this low gearing is 1) it was designed for towing (not likely in a rabbit) 2) it was designed to reduce the space between gearing, for faster accelleration 3) the gas engine is so torqless that it only has power a very high rpms (I think it is tuned for power between 4 and 5k. I suspect a combination of 2 and 3. When I switch to the diesel engine, it can only rev to about 4.5k, and is most fuel efficient at 2k. The transmission designed to go with the diesel engine has much higher gearing -- more like 2,800rpm at 70mph in 5th gear. Of course this also has wider gaps between the gears, which is not as good with a diesel that has a narrower power band than a gas engine. So I suppose it depends somewhat one whether you are spending alot of time as sustained highway driving, or more around town driving. The VW NA diesel is actually only 55 HP... I don't think that the transmission was optimized for fast acceleration, that little 4 banger diesel with only about 85 Hp is only capable of so much.The transmission is geared so low, that it doesn't take any effort to start from a dead stop in 2nd gear if necessary. Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] MEPs caught up in hydrogen hype?
It feel like saying to live forever you must replace your meat and bones with cyborg parts and seal your brain in a titanium case, but we will need a massive RD effort and major investment to make this happen. I agree. I think that there is alot of technical potential to hydrogen, and I support doing RD on it. However, the current effort I feel is focused not so much on actually solving our problems, so much as an excuse/smokescreen for not solving them. Why use biodiesel, photovoltaics, wind turbines, etc, when hydrogen will save us in 15 years Didn't we already hear this about nuclear power: too cheap to meter? To extend Rexis's analogy, we're so enamored of the cyborg idea, that in the mean time, we keep on eating cheeseburgers and sitting on the couch all day instead of excersicing a little and eating some organic broccolli. Zeke ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] PEEE YEEEUUU BAD FAT
Do your titration and you will know what you have. Besy Luck Roy Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if it can be used or not. When running WVO directly, weonly used stuff that smelled good. The dark color may be okay, if itis still clear, not murky and opaque. I have bought commercialbiodiesel that was supposedly ASTM certified, but smelled rancid too. Personally, I wouldn't use it.On 9/16/05, JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I just aquired some WVO from the restraunt and It smells like a rancid rendering plant. Is this stuff worth using to make Bio? I heated it up to drive off the water but it is really dark. I have not titrated it yet. I am not sure I even want to touch it any more Yucky stuff.. Will this stuff work for Bio? I can get it fresher in the future, as they change the oil, the owner said I could bring my tank over. So I will have some control in the future. Any suggestions? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] changing trash into fuel
Andy wrote: If interested, I can find links to those doing it. I am interested because Im building a database of energy and food production information for a group creating a model farm to train people in food, fuel and energy self-reliance. Thanks, Andy. Marilyn Andy also wrote: Anyone who says they have an operational unit is looking for stock 'investors', and I would be leery of giving more than 10 cents. Some of the companies mentioned in the article are pretty big, so there must be something worth investing in: Companies including privately owned Westinghouse Plasma Corp., spun off from Westinghouse Corp., Georgia-based Geoplasma, LLC, and British-based Tetronics Plasma ionize air or other gases until they conduct electricity. Hitachi Metals along with Utashinai City, helped build the first plasma plant, which produces 8 megawatts of power by torching auto waste. Startech signed a $1.3 million contract last fall with Japan's Mihama Inc. to break down PCBs. In February, it signed a $34 million deal with Italian company FP Immobiliare to torch computer waste. Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: I've seen this before, and it works. Worked about a year on a similar project. The problem, as I see it, is what energy source is strong enough to create the plasma? If you believe in the law of conservation of energy (which I do) then you need either a big wire to the power plant, or else a VERY LARGE solar collection system to make enough power. We experimented with a 450kw marine diesel generator. I don't remember the numbers but can tell you this: starting with say, 10-20 gallons of (water, anti-freeze, pig manure, whatever) you could run creating about 15-20 SCFM of Hydrogen gas with CO and other trace hydrocarbon gases. A great amount of heat is also generated (about 400kW). So, unless you have a use for the heat, you have created 400 kW worth of (waste) heat and about 50 kW worth of gas. And that assumes no other losses. Then you must collect, filter and compress the collected gas. Is that free? Anyone who says they have an operational unit is looking for stock 'investors', and I would be leery of giving more than 10 cents. Yes, it can be done, but is economically infeasible, IMHO. Also note: the waste material you are reacting in the plasma reactor doesn't go away fast. Run all day and you'll loose about 5 gallons? (maybe 10? OK, 20) We're talking about running a half meg generator to make 10 gallons (if that) go away? If interested, I can find links to those doing it. Andy Message: 7 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:31:36 -0600 From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] changing trash into fuel To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://www.nrel.gov/csp/lab_capabilities.html#hfsf I had read a few years ago about NREL using their solar furnace to turn waste into plasma. At the time they were just trying new ideas to get rid of toxic waste, but solar is a possible fuel source for a plasma reduction unit that doesn't use electricity. At the time they were saying that this concentrator could produce the hottest man made temperature outside of a hydrogen bomb. I saw a piece of 1/2 high strength steel sheet with a 2 hole blasted through the middle in about two and a half seconds. On 9/15/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The plasma torch system of changing trash into fuel appears to be catching on in Japan. This article says it can produce three to four times as much energy in carbon-rich gas, and 50% more energy than it uses in the form of hydrogen gas. Does anyone know more about it? htmttp://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-02-26-hot-garbage _x.htm Hot trash-to-fuel technology gathering steam By Timothy Gardner, Reuters NEW YORK ? Got garbage? Toxic trash? Zap it with a torch three times hotter than the sun and gather the resulting gas to fuel pollution-free cars and home power units. It may seem like an idea out of a mad scientist's notebook, but the method ? known as plasma torch technology ? is gaining acceptance with governments and corporations, especially those with growing waste problems. If you can reduce trash and at the same time produce a valuable gas, more power to you, said Charles Russomanno, a U.S. Department of Energy renewable energy expert. Hospital waste, municipal trash and polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), an industrial compound suspected of causing cancer, all can be blasted with a plasma torch to make gases that can be burned to produce electricity. Companies including privately owned Westinghouse Plasma Corp., spun off from Westinghouse Corp., Georgia-based Geoplasma, LLC, and British-based Tetronics Plasma ionize air or other gases until they conduct electricity. The process is similar to what goes on in a fluorescent lightbulb ? only at an extreme temperature
[Biofuel] World's Top Firms Fail to Tackle Climate Change Challenge
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0915-04.htm Published on Thursday, September 15, 2005 by the Independent/UK World's Top Firms Fail to Tackle Climate Change Challenge by Michael Harrison Most of the world's biggest companies are failing to cut their carbon emissions even though the long-term cost of complying with tougher rules to tackle global warming could have a devastating impact on their profitability. An authoritative report published yesterday in New York also warns that climate change litigation could one day become as big a threat to big corporations as asbestos and tobacco lawsuits are today. The study by the Carbon Disclosure Project (CDP) http://www.cdproject.net/, an initiative backed by institutional investors controlling more than $21 trillion (£12 trillion) of assets, warns there is a huge and worrying gap between awareness among big companies of the risks posed by climate change and action to combat it. According to the report, fewer than one in seven of the world's top 500 companies by market capitalisation has reduced carbon emissions in the past year and in more than one-sixth of cases emissions have gone up. The study says that in the most extreme circumstances the cost of meeting tougher curbs on carbon emissions could wipe as much as 45 per cent from the annual profits of some companies such as big American power producers. Steel and mining companies could see reductions in earnings of as much as 20 per cent while the chemicals sector could face annual compliance costs equal to nearly 4 per cent of net profits. The calculations, conducted by analysts working for the CDP, are based on the price of carbon rising to $50, or ¤41, a tonne and companies being forced to cut their emissions by 20 per cent over the next seven years to comply with the Kyoto Protocol on global warming. America is not a signatory to Kyoto but in Europe, where a carbon emissions trading regime has been introduced to enable member states to meet their obligations, carbon is trading at about ¤30 a tonne, although there has been a high degree of volatility in prices. Of the 500 companies surveyed, 71 per cent provided a comprehensive response to the questionnaire sent them and a further 18 per cent provided more limited information. Among the respondents were giants of the UK business scene such as BP, Unilever, Tesco ScottishPower and Barclays. About half the top 500 are US companies and 10 per cent are British. Although more than 90 per cent recognised that climate change posed either a risk or potential opportunity, only 51 per cent had implemented an emissions-reduction programme and only one-third had got involved in emissions trading. The CDP was launched in 2000 with the backing of Tony Blair, and this is its third report. The fact that institutions controlling 40 per cent of all the pension funds invested worldwide also support the initiative demonstrates how seriously big investors are beginning to take climate change. However, a significant number of big companies have chosen to ignore the initiative, even though more than 20 per cent of their shares are held by institutions which are signatories. Included in the blacklist of companies that failed or declined to participate in the survey are Boeing, Home Depot, Wal-Mart, Apple, News Corporation and Carnival. Nearly half of those surveyed refused to disclose any emissions data. However, James Cameron, the chairman of the CDP, said there was a growing awareness of global warming and the threat it posed, particularly among big American companies. Wall Street is waking up to climate change risks and opportunities, he said. Considerably more of the world's largest corporations are getting a handle on what climate change means for their business and what they need to do to capture opportunities and mitigate risks. © 2005 Independent News Media (UK) Ltd. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Katrina oil spills may be among worst on record
http://www.guardian.co.uk/katrina/story/0,16441,1571591,00.html Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | Katrina oil spills may be among worst on record Julian Borger in Washington and John Vidal Friday September 16, 2005 The Guardian The oil pollution in the wake of Hurricane Katrina could be among the worst recorded in North America, officials trying to coordinate the clean-up say. The US coastguard, which is responsible for the marine environment, said yesterday more than 6.5 million gallons of crude oil had been spilt in at least seven major incidents. The previous worst spill in US waters was the 11m gallons in Alaskan waters from the Exxon Valdez in 1989. This is a major event, said Lieutenant Colonel Glynn Smith of the coastguard in New Orleans. Things are going well, but three-quarters of the oil from the spills has not yet been recovered. The figure does not include petrol and oil spilt from up to 250,000 cars which have been submerged, or that spilt from hundreds of petrol stations. The coastguard says it has received almost 400 reports of spills, the vast majority of which have not been assessed. President Bush attempted to regain the political initiative with an address to the nation pledging an unprecedented federal effort to help rebuild New Orleans and the Gulf coast. The prime-time speech from New Orleans was timed to confront growing doubts over his leadership abilities, after the stuttering federal response to Katrina's impact. A poll published by the New York Times and CBS found 53% of the population disapproved of the way Mr Bush was doing his job; 63% thought the country was on the wrong track, and 65% thought he had been too slow to respond to the hurricane. Mr Bush pledged to provide housing assistance for the hurricane's victims, as well as federal help with education, social services and employment, in what is predicted to be the biggest federal reconstruction effort on US soil. The message locally was also upbeat. The New Orleans mayor, Ray Nagin, said large parts of the city would reopen early next week, although it was not clear how many of the 182,000 residents in those areas would return to their homes. The city of New Orleans will start to breathe again. We will have life. We will have commerce. We will have people getting into their normal mode of operations, and the rhythm that makes this city so unique, Mr Nagin said. As the US Army Corps of Engineers put out barriers to prevent oil getting into Lake Pontchartrain, there were new concerns that many some of the region's toxic waste dumps could also be leaking dangerous chemicals. We worry that most of the city of New Orleans could end up being a toxic waste site, said Erik Olson, a senior attorney with the Natural Resources Defence council. The estimated reconstruction price tag, more than $200bn, has horrified many Republicans worried that it derail any effort to get the country's deficit spending under control. However, Karl Rove, the president's political adviser, is reported to have deemed it essential to regaining public confidence in the administration. The extent of the political damage was underlined yesterday in a column on the federal response by a conservative columnist and former speechwriter for Ronald Reagan, Peggy Noonan. The White House was spinning when it should have been acting, she wrote in the Wall Street Journal. In this area the administration has gotten way too clever while at the same time becoming stupider. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] New Report Warns of Rising Threat to U.S. Insurers due to Climate Change
http://www.wbcsd.ch/Plugins/DocSearch/details.asp?strDocTypeIdList=749 DocType=749StrCharValList=254DateStart=01.01.1753DateEnd=31.12.999 9MenuId=NDA1ObjectId=16443URLBack=%2Ftemplates%2FTemplateWBCSD2%2Fl ayout%2Easp%3Ftype%3Dp%26MenuId%3DNDA1%2 Or: http://snipurl.com/hqba New Report Warns of Rising Threat to U.S. Insurers due to Climate Change GreenBiz.com, 14 September 2005 - Companies, governments, and the public will suffer major financial losses unless insurers and their regulators take steps to address the escalating impacts of climate change, according to a new report by the Ceres investor coalition. The report, authored by three industry experts, documents the precipitous rise in insured and uninsured weather-related losses in the U.S. and how climate change will likely magnify these losses in the years ahead, whether in homeowner losses due to hurricanes, crop losses due to drought or business interruptions due to lightning strikes. The report cites a 15-fold increase in insured losses from catastrophic weather events (those with over $1 billion of damages) in the past three decades -- losses that have far out-stripped premium increases, inflation and population growth over the same time period. If climate change trends and insurance trends continue, the report warns, availability and affordability of insurance will be at even greater risk for homeowners and businesses. State and federal governments can also expect more financial liability as they increasingly become insurers of last resort in response to private insurers further restricting coverage and withdrawing from more markets. Insurance as we know it is threatened by a perfect storm of rising weather losses, rising global temperatures and more Americans than ever living in harm's way, said Mindy S. Lubber, president of Ceres, which commissioned the study. Insurers and regulators have failed to adequately plan for these escalating weather events that scientists predict will intensify in the years ahead due to warming global temperatures. The National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC) was scheduled to discuss the implications of climate change on the insurance industry at its fall meeting scheduled for Sept. 10-13 in New Orleans. The meeting was subsequently cancelled due to Hurricane Katrina and the climate change discussion is now slated for the NAIC's winter meeting in December. After New Orleans, it's becoming clearer that we are experiencing more frequent and more powerful weather events that pose huge challenges for the insurance industry, said Tim Wagner, director of the Nebraska Department of Insurance, noting that warmer-than-usual water temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico may have added to Hurricane Katrina's strength. This is both a coastal issue and a heartland issue. We're seeing all kinds of extreme weather in the Great Plains, including drought, tornadoes, brushfires and severe hailstorms. The report comes as the number of weather-related events, the variability of total losses and the economic impacts and demographic drivers are all on the rise. Insured and total property losses ($45 billion and $107 billion globally in 2004, respectively) are rising faster than premiums, population or economic growth both globally and in the U.S. Even after correcting for inflation, weather-related catastrophe losses in the U.S. property/casualty sector have grown from a few billion dollars a year in the 1970s to an average of $15 billion a year in the past decade, punctuated by three peaks of over $25 billion a year and a record high in 2004 that included $30 billion in hurricane losses alone. Hurricane Katrina's impacts could far exceed those losses. Weather losses are also becoming more unpredictable, especially as insurers from the U.S. and other industrialized countries are moving aggressively into rapidly emerging markets such as China and India, which pose additional weather risks. With growth rates triple those in industrialized countries, premium volume from the developing world will represent half of the global total in the next few decades. Lack of building codes and other factors make these markets vastly more vulnerable to the costs and other impacts of climate change. The report cites numerous studies predicting that rising global temperatures from higher emissions of greenhouse gases (GHG) will create additional financial burdens for insurers globally and in the U.S. A recent report by the Association of British Insurers (ABI) and two of the big-three U.S. catastrophe modelers stated that under a high GHG emissions scenario (where carbon dioxide levels double from today's levels, as predicted by many leading climate models), wind-related insured losses from extreme U.S. hurricanes could jump to $100-$150 billion, an increase equivalent to two to three Hurricane Andrews in a single season in 2004 dollars. Such losses would require insurers
[Biofuel] Mercedes-Benz unveil hybrid concepts
http://www.greenconsumerguide.com/index.php?news=2772 Mercedes-Benz unveil hybrid concepts Friday 16 September 2005 Mercedes-Benz has revealed two new concept cars designed to dramatically reduce emissions and raise fuel consumption, at the International Motor Show in Frankfurt. Based on the new S-Class platform, the 'Direct Hybrid' and 'Bluetec Hybrid' models that combine optimised petrol and diesel engines with a hybrid system and refined exhaust purification. The German auto giant has called the Bluetec Hybrid the 'cleanest diesel in the world'. Both hybrid variants use an electric motor in the drive-train that allow better fuel efficiency and cut emissions during 'stop-start' urban driving. The new features present in Direct and Bluetec hybrids offer a 25% and 20% drop in fuel consumption compared to their predecessors. For the drive concepts of the near future the objective is to make petrol cars as efficient as diesels, and diesels as clean as petrol cars, commented Dr. Thomas Weber, Member of the Board of Management of DaimlerChrysler AG. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] World Leaders Shake Heads as Reforms to Check Nuclear Arms Spread Dumped
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0915-06.htm Published on Thursday, September 15, 2005 by Agence France Presse World Leaders Shake Heads as Reforms to Check Nuclear Arms Spread Dumped Kofi Annan has called it a disgrace and Australian Prime Minister John Howard termed it a major disappointment. After months of wrangling, world leaders were shaking their heads over the dumping of proposed UN reforms to check nuclear weapons proliferation and disarmament. 'I THINK I MAY NEED A BATHROOM BREAK?' U.S. President George W. Bush writes a note to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice during a Security Council meeting at the 2005 World Summit and 60th General Assembly of the United Nations in New York September 14, 2005. World leaders are exploring ways to revitalize the United Nations at a summit on Wednesday but their blueprint falls short of Secretary-General Kofi Annan's vision of freedom from want, persecution and war. REUTERS/Rick Wilking Despite increasing concerns over illicit nuclear weapon networks and terrorists seeking weapons of mass destruction, negotiators working for months on a reform package to beef up the United Nations failed to agree on how to revamp global non-proliferation rules. They adopted a watered-down package of reforms to be endorsed by the leaders of the world attending the 60th anniversary meeting of the global body. Proposed new rules on nuclear weapons proliferation and disarmament were completely disregarded. It's a real disgrace, said UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, lamenting the omission, which reportedly came after Washington gave only lukewarm support for the reforms. He blamed posturing for the failure to find a common approach to the spread of weapons of mass destruction. Annan called nuclear non-proliferation and disarmament our biggest challenge, and our biggest failing, citing a similar failed effort at a Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) conference earlier this year. Diplomats said the United States had vehemently objected to focusing on disarmament by major powers rather than on the spread of nuclear weapons among rogue states and terrorists. Norway crafted the proposals and submitted them to the United Nations in July, with Annan backing the initiative as a basis for a wide-ranging consensus. The United States initially stayed mum on the proposed reforms. But only days before the summit, the world's only superpower reluctantly came into the fold, joining about about half the 191 UN member nations led by Britain, Australia, Indonesia, South Africa, Chile and Romania. John Bolton, an ex-arms control chief at the US State Department and currently the new US ambassador to the UN, reportedly was against the proposal initially and, some claim, had campaigned against it. Australian Prime Minister John Howard did not hide his disgust. I'm very, very disappointed by the omission, he said. We think issues concerning Iran and North Korea and proliferation issues are the most important item on the disarmament agenda, and if serious progress is to be made then we have to make progress in these areas, he said Indonesian government spokesman Marty Natalegawa agreed. He said it was a matter of concern that various parties had expressed concern over proliferation and disarmament and yet did not back the much needed reform. It is a glaring omission. The absence is disquieting. We find that one of the most deserving aspects of the whole document, he said. Nuclear-armed Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf said both the proliferation and the perpetual possession of nuclear weapons posed an unacceptable global danger. He called for a new consensus to achieve disarmament and non-proliferation. The lukewarm US support for disarmament efforts stems from concerns relating to issues such as the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, which Washington has refused to ratify, one Western diplomat said. It was the collapse of the NPT review conference, which the United States was again blamed for, that prompted the reforms crafted by Norway together with Britain, Australia, Indonesia, Chile and Romania. Copyright © 2005 Agence France Presse. ### ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Why our current agriculture and food production is not sustainable
The Institute of Science in Society Science Society Sustainability http://www.i-sis.org.uk This article can be found on the I-SIS website at http://www.i-sis.org.uk/PFSFSNG.php ISIS Press Release 14/09/05 Policies for Sustainable Food Systems, National and Global Michael Meacher Why our current agriculture and food production is not sustainable There are five reasons why our current food system is not sustainable. First, the increasingly mechanised agriculture depends on oil, but the supply of oil is beginning to run out, or at least half of the 2 trillion barrels of oil available has already been used and oil demand from China, India and other major developing countries which are industrialising fast is rising so sharply that production cannot keep up with demand, and permanent shortages of oil will kick in within a decade or less. The price of oil will escalate to $100-$200+, and oil-driven food production will sharply decline. Second, the growing shortage of water means that half a billion people now already live in water-stressed areas, and the UN expects this to rise 5-6 fold to half the world population by 2025. This will lead to massive shifts of populations and water wars. Frankly, the current use of water in agriculture is extravagant and utterly unsustainable. For example, US prairie farmers and East Anglian barley barons need 1 000 tonnes of water to produce 1 tonne of grain, plus 1 000 energy units are used for every 1 energy unit of processed food. That is just not sustainable. Third, the intensification of climate change has led to a ten-fold increase in the incidence and ferocity of climatic catastrophes in the past 40 years. These include major-scale hurricanes, cyclones, floods, as well as increasing drought, desertification, inextinguishable forest fires, which are now rendering more and more croplands unusable or infertile. Half a billion of the world population now do not have croplands on which they can maintain themselves. The latest UN report says one sixth of countries in the world (up to 30 nations) now face food shortages because of climate change. The London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine estimates 160 000 now die every year from climate-change induced malnutrition, dysentery and malaria. Fourth, the loss of biodiversity from monocultures imposed by industrialised farming, not least GM crops. A quarter of the worlds GM crops are grown in Argentina, where huge areas were cleared to grow GM soya, especially Argentinas pampas, previously one of the most organically productive areas in the world. Fifth, long-distance transportation of food across the world is incompatible with the requirement to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 60 percent by 2050. Between 1968-88, world food production increased 84 percent and the world population 91 percent, but world food trade increased 184 percent (i.e. doubled), yet planes and cars are the fastest rising causes of greenhouse gas emissions. To put that in household terms a typical UK family of four emits per year 4 tonnes of CO2 from the house, 4 tonnes from the car, but 8 tonnes from production, processing, packaging and distribution of the food they eat. So what should be done? I have five proposals. First, we need a massive switch from highly mechanised, pesticide-driven agriculture to low- input/organic agriculture with energy saving up to 10- fold. How? The current food system is linear in design, treating inputs like energy and raw materials as infinitely available (which they are not) and the environment as infinitely capable of absorbing waste (which it is not). This is not sustainable. To change this, we need a tax system that factors in the full cost of all these finite items and uses the proceeds to subsidise organic, low input and localised agriculture systems. In contrast, organic production systems are an example of sustainable circular methods of food production in harmony with the natural eco-system. Is this happening? Well, although sales of organic food in the UK have quadrupled from £260 million in 1997 to over £1 billion now, the one million acres now devoted to organic production is still only 2-3% of agricultural land in the UK. Second, developing a sustainable food system should become a major Government policy based on setting targets for: Sustainable food production Import substitution Fair trade Local sourcing of food These targets are to be achieved within specific timescales. The Governments Organic Action Plan Group, which I chaired, did set a target to increase the percentage of organic food consumed in the UK which was produced in the UK from 30 percent to 70 percent by 2010, but (as so often) the mechanisms to deliver it were delayed and weak the UK was until recently the only country in the EU15 which did not offer post-conversion aid to new organic farmers. Moreover, none of the other necessary objectives I have
Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
Apparently not. I was referring to a VW GTI in an earlier post and didn't realize you weren't. Sorry. Zeke On 9/16/05, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??? Are we talking about the same type of vehicle? I'm talking about a '85 Toyota LandCruiser BJ60 with a 3B engine. IIRC, the engine is runs around 2700-2800 rpm at 75 mph. At sea level the 3B is about 95 Hp, but, starts to have breathing problems at 3,000 ft, and I'm at 5500 ft and make trips to 10,000 - 12,000 ft. once a month or so. Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
The 4 banger is original equipment. The trannie is a manual 5 sp. Greg H. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 14:51 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement? My advice from a practical standpoint is to put one of whatever was in it back in. If you put a 4 cylinder in place of a 6, or a 6 in place of an 8 everything will be different, assuming something made within the last 20 years. The computer hookup and wiring harness will be all different, exhaust will be custome, fuel delivery will be different. If your time is worth anything to you I doubt you'd ever make it back on a $$ basis for the fuel saved. The transmission might be a slighly different proposition. Gearing it so the engine RPM is slower will probably raise your mileage a little, as long as you're not slowing the engine down into a less efficient mode. There's no sure way to tell without looking at the same kind of car with the different options. A manual transmission should give you a little better mileage as well, but if you've got an automatic now it would seem like a nightmare to setup the clutch and shifting linkage so that it works well. My thoughts, worth at least what you paid for them:) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
If your time is worth anything to you I doubt you'd ever make it back on a $$ basis for the fuel saved. I didn't think that this was about saving money. I thought it was about reducing carbon emissions or something like that.For me the most cost effective thing certainly wasn't parking my already paid for gasoline car that gets 27mpg, and buying a truck that only gets 25mpg and starting to buy biodiesel at $3/gallon. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] lite blend?
At what point does a biodiesel blend's effect become neglagable? I bring up this point after reading the directions on a bottle of canola based fuel addative that is made localy, and sells for over$15/l. The directions suggest to add 1 litre to 1000 litres of diesel. In my unprofesional opinion, 1 litre in 100 litres of fuel should be a minimum to get any benafit. Brent ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
??? Are we talking about the same type of vehicle? I'm talking about a '85 Toyota LandCruiser BJ60 with a 3B engine. IIRC, the engine is runs around 2700-2800 rpm at 75 mph. At sea level the 3B is about 95 Hp, but, starts to have breathing problems at 3,000 ft, and I'm at 5500 ft and make trips to 10,000 - 12,000 ft. once a month or so. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 8:25 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement? The stock transmission was a close ratio 5 speed, which ends up doing about 4k rpm at 70mph. The only way I can explain this low gearing is 1) it was designed for towing (not likely in a rabbit) 2) it was designed to reduce the space between gearing, for faster accelleration 3) the gas engine is so torqless that it only has power a very high rpms (I think it is tuned for power between 4 and 5k. I suspect a combination of 2 and 3. When I switch to the diesel engine, it can only rev to about 4.5k, and is most fuel efficient at 2k. The transmission designed to go with the diesel engine has much higher gearing -- more like 2,800rpm at 70mph in 5th gear. Of course this also has wider gaps between the gears, which is not as good with a diesel that has a narrower power band than a gas engine. So I suppose it depends somewhat one whether you are spending alot of time as sustained highway driving, or more around town driving. The VW NA diesel is actually only 55 HP... I don't think that the transmission was optimized for fast acceleration, that little 4 banger diesel with only about 85 Hp is only capable of so much.The transmission is geared so low, that it doesn't take any effort to start from a dead stop in 2nd gear if necessary. Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] changing trash into fuel
It is a very energy intensive operation. The question is does it pay back enough fuel, to make it worth while? Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 14:13 Subject: [Biofuel] changing trash into fuel The plasma torch system of changing trash into fuel appears to be catching on in Japan. This article says it can produce three to four times as much energy in carbon-rich gas, and 50% more energy than it uses in the form of hydrogen gas. Does anyone know more about it? htmttp://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-02-26-hot-garbage _x.htm Hot trash-to-fuel technology gathering steam By Timothy Gardner, Reuters NEW YORK ó Got garbage? Toxic trash? Zap it with a torch three times hotter than the sun and gather the resulting gas to fuel pollution-free cars and home power units. It may seem like an idea out of a mad scientist's notebook, but the method ó known as plasma torch technology ó is gaining acceptance with governments and corporations, especially those with growing waste problems. If you can reduce trash and at the same time produce a valuable gas, more power to you, said Charles Russomanno, a U.S. Department of Energy renewable energy expert. Hospital waste, municipal trash and polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), an industrial compound suspected of causing cancer, all can be blasted with a plasma torch to make gases that can be burned to produce electricity. Companies including privately owned Westinghouse Plasma Corp., spun off from Westinghouse Corp., Georgia-based Geoplasma, LLC, and British-based Tetronics Plasma ionize air or other gases until they conduct electricity. The process is similar to what goes on in a fluorescent lightbulb ó only at an extreme temperature of 30,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Plasma torches break waste into an obsidian-like stone, heavy metals that can be recovered for resale, and carbon and hydrogen-rich gases that burn like natural gas. One company, Startech Environmental, takes the process a step further, refining the gas through a membrane to make pure hydrogen gas for fuel cells. Hydrogen quest Automobile and energy companies have invested billions of dollars in hydrogen fuel cells that produce power through a chemical reaction, with water vapor as the only byproduct. President Bush has encouraged the race to hydrogen by seeking for next year's budget $228 million, a 43% increase, to develop fuel cell cars and suitable service stations. Last year, he launched a five-year, $1.2 billion research initiative with the aim of reducing dependence on foreign oil and putting fuel cell cars on the road by 2020. Japan, where dumping costs are high, is becoming a world leader in plasma technology. In 2002, Hitachi Metals along with Utashinai City, helped build the first plasma plant, which produces 8 megawatts of power by torching auto waste. Startech signed a $1.3 million contract last fall with Japan's Mihama Inc. to break down PCBs. In February, it signed a $34 million deal with Italian company FP Immobiliare to torch computer waste. It has also offered to operate a free test unit to treat some of New York City's waste. Where we put trash gets more expensive every day, said Carmen Cognetta, a counsel to the NYC Department of Sanitation. New Mariners Hydrogen is like seawater to the thirsty Ancient Mariner ó it's everywhere, but not in a usable form. It's the most abundant element in the universe, but separating it from oxygen in water takes large amounts of energy. Currently, most hydrogen is produced at oil refineries to meet petrochemical refining needs, although the process is expensive and the yields are small. The cheapest energy source for separating hydrogen is coal, but burning it can produce hazardous amounts of greenhouse gases and toxic compounds. In the future, energy may be provided by solar and wind power, which for now are too pricey. So, torch technologies have potential, says Columbia University geophysicist Klaus Lackner. They will provide an additional niche and if your hydrogen turns out to be cheaper than that of your competitor, then you have a great market. Owen Connolly, director of product marketing at New York-based Plug Power Inc., a producer of fuel cell power systems, said 25 cubic feet of hydrogen produces 1 kilowatt hour (KWH) of electricity from its power units. If the 225 million U.S. car tires disposed of annually were zapped by Startech units, enough hydrogen would be produced to supply 500,000 homes with electricity for an entire year. The more toxic the garbage, the higher the tipping fees for municipalities and the more torch processors can collect. New York City, which produces 12,000 tons of garbage per day and trucks it as far away as Ohio, will soon be seeking a cost evaluation from Startech and other companies, said Cognetta. Some
Re: [Biofuel] lite blend?
If the blend is purely for lubricity (as opposed to emissions reductions), then can a 0.1% concentration do anything? I know that 2% biodiesel is supposed to restore lubricity to the low sulpher fuel, but if it is selling for 15 times the price of biodiesel, maybe it is better and a 0.1% concentration works. Or maybe someone has just found a new way to make money of gullible consumers. I've also heard to just put a cup of straight canola oil from the grocery store in the tank to restore lubricity. On 9/16/05, Brent S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At what point does a biodiesel blend's effect become neglagable? I bring up this point after reading the directions on a bottle of canola based fuel addative that is made localy, and sells for over$15/l. The directions suggest to add 1 litre to 1000 litres of diesel. In my unprofesional opinion, 1 litre in 100 litres of fuel should be a minimum to get any benafit. Brent ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] World's Top Firms Fail to Tackle Climate Change Challenge
The study says that in the most extreme circumstances the cost of meeting tougher curbs on carbon emissions could wipe as much as 45 per cent from the annual profits of some companies such as big American power producers. Steel and mining companies could see reductions in earnings of as much as 20 per cent while the chemicals sector could face annual compliance costs equal to nearly 4 per cent of net profits. Are they referring to net profits, or gross profits. If the reduction is in net profits, even a 45% reductionstill means that the company is in the black. This means the employees still get paid, the work still gets done, and just the stock dividends are smaller right? If we can meet the kyoto standards without actually going into the red, why aren't we doing it? To not do this is like letting your children starve to death, not because you can't buy food (like many people in developing countries), but just because you're are a heartless capitalist and you'd rather hoard the money in your mattress. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] People Are Human-Bacteria Hybrid
We are not alone :) *People Are Human-Bacteria Hybrid *http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0%2C1286%2C65252%2C00.html*Excerpts: *Most of the cells in your body are not your own, nor are they even human. They are bacterial. From the invisible strands of fungi waiting to sprout between our toes, to the kilogram of bacterial matter in our guts, we are best viewed as walking "superorganisms," highly complex conglomerations of human cells, bacteria, fungi and viruses.That's the view of scientists at Imperial College London who published a paper in Nature Biotechnology Oct. 6 describing how these microbes interact with the body. Understanding the workings of the superorganism, they say, is crucial to the development of personalized medicine and health care in the future because individuals can have very different responses to drugs, depending on their microbial fauna.The scientists concentrated on bacteria. More than 500 different species of bacteria exist in our bodies, making up more than 100 trillion cells. Because our bodies are made of only some several trillion human cells, we are somewhat outnumbered by the aliens. It follows that most of the genes in our bodies are from bacteria, too.Luckily for us, the bacteria are on the whole commensal, sharing our food but doing no real harm. (The word derives from the Latin meaning to share a table for dinner.) In fact, they are often beneficial: Our commensal bacteria protect us from potentially dangerous infections. They do this through close interaction with our immune systems."We have known for some time that many diseases are influenced by a variety of factors, including both genetics and environment, but the concept of this superorganism could have a huge impact on our understanding of disease processes," said Jeremy Nicholson, a professor of biological chemistry at Imperial College and leader of the study. He believes the approach could apply to research on insulin-resistance, heart disease, some cancers and perhaps even some neurological diseases.Following the sequencing of the human genome, scientists quickly saw that the next step would be to show how human genes interact with environmental factors to influence the risk of developing disease, the aging process and drug action. But because environmental factors include the gene products of trillions of bacteria in the gut, they get very complex indeed. The information in the human genome itself, 3 billion base pairs long, does not help reduce the complexity."The human genome provides only scant information. The discovery of how microbes in the gut can influence the body's responses to disease means that we now need more research into this area," said Nicholson. "Understanding these interactions will extend human biology and medicine well beyond the human genome and help elucidate novel types of gene-environment interactions, with this knowledge ultimately leading to new approaches to the treatment of disease."Nicholson's colleague, professor Ian Wilson from Astra Zeneca, believes the "human super-organism" concept "could have a huge impact on how we develop drugs, as individuals can have very different responses to drug metabolism and toxicity.""The microbes can influence things such as the pH levels in the gut and the immune response, all of which can have effects on the effectiveness of drugs," Wilson said.The Imperial College research demonstrates what many -- from X Files stalwarts to UFO fanatics -- have long claimed: We are not alone. Specifically, the human genome does not carry enough information on its own to determine key elements of our own biology. Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lite blend?
On 9/16/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or maybe someone has just found a new way to make money of gullible consumers. Seems to me that this were the case, they would tell you to use more. They make more money that way. Kinda like the directions on the detergent box that tell you that you have to use 5 times as much as you really need. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] [ARTICLE] Organic vs. conventional farming: yields, external costs
In response to one of Rexis Tree's questions. Biofuel may have a problem with competition for land with food and wildlife, but I don't think that we need fear lower yields with organic farming. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario -- Forwarded message -- The Institute of Science in Society: Science Society Sustainability http://www.i-sis.org.uk General Enquiries [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website/Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISIS Director [EMAIL PROTECTED] This article can be found on the I-SIS website at http://www.i-sis.org.uk/OBCA.php ISIS Press Release 12/09/05 Organic Agriculture Enters Mainstream ** Organic Yields on Par with Conventional and Ahead During Drought Years But by far the greatest gains are due to savings on damages to public health and the environment estimated at more than US$59 billion a year Dr. Mae-Wan Ho puts the nail on the coffin on industrial agriculture A fully referenced version of this article is posted on ISIS members' website http://www.i-sis.org.uk/full/OBCAFull.php. Details here http://www.i-sis.org.uk/membership.php Myths die hard Scientists who should know better - if only they had kept up with the literature - continue to tell the world that organic agriculture invariably means lower yields, especially compared to industrial high input agriculture, even when this has long been proven false (see for example, Organic agriculture fights back SiS 16 [1]; http://www.i-sis.org.uk/isisnews/sis16.php Organic production works, SiS 25 [2]). http://www.i-sis.org.uk/isisnews/sis25.php Researchers led by David Pimenthal, ecologist and agricultural scientist at Cornell University, New York, have now reviewed data from long-term field investigations and confirmed that organic yields are no different from conventional under normal growing conditions, but that they are far ahead during drought years [3]. The reasons are well known: organic soils have greater capacity to retain water as well as nutrients such as nitrogen. Organic soils are also more efficient carbon sinks, and organic management saves on fossil fuel, both of which are important for mitigating global warming. But by far the greatest gains are in savings on externalised costs associated with conventional industrial farming, which are estimated to exceed 25 percent of the total market value of United States' agricultural output. Long-term field trials at Rodale Institute From 1981 through 2002, field investigations were conducted at Rodale Institute in Kutztown, Pennsylvania on 6.1 ha. Three different cropping systems: conventional, animal manure and legume-based organic, and legume-based organic. Plots (18 x 92 m) were split into three (6 x 92 m) subplots, which are large enough for farm-scale equipment to be used for operations and harvesting. The main plots were separated with a 1.5 m grass strip to minimize cross movement of soil, fertilizers, and pesticides. Each of the three cropping systems was replicated eight times. The conventional system based on synthetic fertilizer and herbicide use, represented a typical cash-grain 5-year crop rotation (corn, corn, soybeans, corn, soybeans) that reflects commercial conventional operations in the region and throughout the Midwest. According to USDA 2003 data, there are more than 40 million ha in this production system in North America. Crop residues were left on the surface of the land to conserve soil and water; but no cover crops were used during the non-growing season. The organic animal-based cropping represented a typical livestock operation in which grain crops were grown for animal feed, not cash sale. This rotation was more complex: corn, soybeans, corn silage, wheat, and red clover-alfalfa hay, as well as a rye cover crop before corn silage and soybeans. Aged cattle manure served as the nitrogen source and applied at 5.6 tonnes per ha (dry), 2 years out of every 5 immediately before ploughing the soil for corn. Additional nitrogen was supplied by the plough-down of legume-hay crops. The total nitrogen applied per ha was about 40 kilograms per year or 198 kg per ha for any given year with a corn crop. Weed control relied on mechanical cultivation, weed-suppressing crop rotations, and relay cropping, in which one crop acted as living mulch for another. The organic legume-based cropping represented a cash grain operation without livestock. The rotation system included hairy vetch (winter cover crop used as green manure), corn, rye (winter cover crop), soybeans, and winter wheat. The total nitrogen added to this system per ha per year averaged 49 kg (or 140 kg per ha) per year with a corn crop). Both organic systems included a small grain, such as wheat, grown alone or inter-seeded with a legume. Weed control was similar in both organic systems. Yields no different except under drought conditions For the first five years of the experiment
[Biofuel] pussy makes car Purrrrrr - was a theoritical point
Feline Groovy German inventor denies using dead cats to make biodiesel German inventor Christian Koch says he's patented a way to convert trash into eco-friendly, high-quality biodiesel fuel that costs one-fifth the going price of diesel in his home country. To produce the alternative fuel, Koch claims he uses waste including paper, textiles, and plastics -- but no dead cats. Got that? Koch is trying to set the record straight after the German paper Bild ran a story claiming he used run-over cats as raw material -- for a tank he needs 20 pussies, read Tuesday's headline. On Wednesday, the paper asked, Can you really make fuel out of cats? and quoted an angry Wolfgang Apel, president of the German Society for the Protection of Animals, who admonished that using felines in such a fashion is outlawed in Germany. Bild now says it was just trying to make a theoretical point about Koch's process. I've never used cats and would never think of that, says the inventor. At most the odd toad may have jumped in. http://www.grist.org/news/daily/2005/09/15/ ...A spokesman for Bild told Reuters the story was meant to show that cat remains could in theory be used to make fuel with Koch's patented method. The author of the story said Koch had never told him directly that he had used dead cats as the story implied http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNewsstoryID=2005-09-14T160628Z_01_MAR457954_RTRIDST_0_OUKOE-UK-GERMANY-CATS.XML - Original Message - From: John Donahue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] pussy makes car Purr This article is posted above Bede wrote: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2ObjectID=10345772 A German has angered animal rights groups by inventing an organic fuel containing run-over cat remains. Inventor Christian Koch, 55, of Saxony, told the Bild newspaper he had gone 170,000km without a problem in his car on the biofuel. A 50-litre tank used about 20 cats and cost a fifth of usual diesel to produce, he said. Bede Meredith Phone +64 21 892 801 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.codesmith.info ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
I agree with Taryn. I am to the point where I am going to be making my own vehicles. The automotive industry is regressing instead of progressing in the ecological responsibility. However, people want better, more attractive, faster "luxury" cars, so the industry is catering to this just to make more money. Everyone wants money and don't care about the environment. I have been studying electronics, fuels, and aerodynamics just to find a way to make a car "self-sustaining". Never refuel {won't need fuel}. I am trying to get myself to self-sustainablility as well. Grow my own food and produce my own power, etc.
Wish me luck!
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Hi Zeke,On Sep 15, 2005, at 5:59 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: ... Even the new hybrids get lousy gas mileage, because the hybrid design is optimized for adding power, not increasing mileage like the insight and prius were. ...Oh man, this just burns my a*s. I was so excited a few years ago when we started hearing the rumblings about hybrids from american automakers and lexus, et al. Then to discover that the electrics were being coupled to gas engines to add acceleration, not to improve overall performance and efficiency. It's disgusting to think that they're strapping a half ton of batteries and electrics to some mondo SUV, betting that the american buyer just wants another second shaved off the 1/4 mile times. Sometimes I just hate the priorities of my countrymen.And they're all gasoline powered!
The only way to get a diesel electric hybrid in this country is to build it yourself. I swear, before, I'm dead, I'm going to build a solar-svo-diesel-electric-regenerative hybrid out of some old school bus or airport shuttle!Tarynhttp://ornae.com/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
I would be inclined to think that turbocharging, or possibly supercharging the engine would be a better alternative. Of course you will have to fabricate all of the parts, and I would wager that the injector pump won't be able to deliver the extra fuel that significant boost would require for full power. Where I live in SW Montana,USA, my 1994 IDI Diesel Ford truck (not my daily driver) could use a wastgated turbocharger just so that I could reach sea level power. My home is at 6400 feet, and as such, my power is down about 22 percent right from the get go. If I could fund a new turbocharger and exhaust system, and get boost to 20 pounds absolute manifold pressure, performance would increase, and less fuel would leave the tailpipe as black smoke. As an aside, I have noticed that when I run my truck on B-20 commercial fuel, when it smokes, the smoke is gray, rather than black, which I take to be a GOOD THING. Thanks for listening, Chuck ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel can be made from dead cats
anybody ever see the episode of the odd couple where felix gives a frog hydrotherapy by putting its injured leg (it had supposedly sprained an ankle or something) in a blender full of warm water? aah, good times. . . . -chris b. In a message dated 9/16/05 9:42:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.thehumorarchives.com/humor/457.html Frog in a blender Todd is entirely to blame for this (but he says you can use a canoe paddle instead). Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method
Hi Bob,
I use density to determine the purity of the ethanol and a mass balance to check on my 3A regeneration technique. I have a fairly good Metler balance (PR 203) that reads to the third decimal place so should be accurate to the second. The procedure I'm trying to duplicate is the one on JTF.
Ethyl Ester Process Scale-up and Biodegradability of Biodiesel"
FINAL REPORT, No. 303, November 1996For the United States Department of Agriculture, Cooperative State Research Service, Cooperative Agreement No. 93-COOP-1-8627University of Idaho, College of Agriculture, the University of Idaho.
Is another method more reliable?
Tom Irwin
From: bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:17:27 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol methodTom, two questions, 1. how do you know the ethanol is being dried? and 2. what procedure are you using for bioD from ethanol?Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Bob and all, I seem to be having fairly good success drying 95% ethanol with 3A molecular sieve. I still have horrible problems making BioD with 100% ethanol (purchased)but I´m still working on it. Tom Irwin *From:* bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:23:08 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method It is not easy, due to the fact that ethoxide, can't be made by the combination of sodium or potassium hydroxide and ethanol, as one does with base plus methanol to form methoxide. It can be done however via alternative ways of making the ethoxide: K + EtOH --- K(+) (-)OEt + 1/2 H2 KH + EtOH --- K(+) (-)OEt + H2 (don't try this at home- wildly flammable materials involved) or for someone with good laboratory skills: combine EtOH (absolute) + KOH, then distill off 95% Ethanol/5% water azeotrope to remove water, shifting the equilibrium to form the ethoxide ion. The problem is that you remove a lot of ethanol to get a small amt of water out. (there are ways to recover absolute ethanol via a ternary azeotrope, but I seriously doubt if it is either cost or energy effective.Kuba-tlen wrote: Does anybody know how to do a biofuel usin ethanol? I mean 92% ethanol, not dry ethanol. I've read that it is possible. O maybe somebody knows how to easily dry ethanol? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org <_javascript_:kh6k0("new","Biofuel@sustainablelists.org")> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob "Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves" — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org <_javascript_:kh6k0("new","Biofuel@sustainablelists.org")> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/92 - Release Date: 9/7/2005-- Bob Allenhttp://ozarker.org/bob"Science is what we have learned about how to keepfrom fooling ourselves" - Richard Feynman___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] turbo diesels
Hi All, am running townace turbo-diesel no probs, 1992 with 170k on clock, just keep good oil as lube critical, good luck and enjoy ;^) dD Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: - Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lite blend?
If the blend is purely for lubricity (as opposed to emissions reductions), then can a 0.1% concentration do anything? I know that 2% biodiesel is supposed to restore lubricity to the low sulpher fuel, but if it is selling for 15 times the price of biodiesel, maybe it is better and a 0.1% concentration works. Or maybe someone has just found a new way to make money of gullible consumers. I've also heard to just put a cup of straight canola oil from the grocery store in the tank to restore lubricity. 1% biodiesel improves lubricity by 60%, said to be enough for older diesels to use ULSD fuel without a retrofit. The US seems to be going for a 1% biodiesel additive, France uses 2-5%. There are some figures somewhere in the archives on canola lubricity, very oily oil, half a cup of canola would no doubt help. On 9/16/05, Brent S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At what point does a biodiesel blend's effect become neglagable? I bring up this point after reading the directions on a bottle of canola based fuel addative that is made localy, and sells for over$15/l. The directions suggest to add 1 litre to 1000 litres of diesel. In my unprofesional opinion, 1 litre in 100 litres of fuel should be a minimum to get any benafit. What does it claim to do for the engine? Best Keith Brent ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel can be made from dead cats
As disgusting as we (I) may find making fuel out of animals, there is already an entire industry devoted to turning dead animals (mostly farm animals such as cows, chickens, horses etc) into various products. Soap. Glue. Food for other supposedly vegetarian animals such as cows (mad cow disease?). There's a large rendering plant in northern colorado that you can smell down here when the wind blows the wrong way, turning dead cows into who knows what. While in a completely sane world, we might not eat so much meat or have the giant factory farms that need to dispose of the waste, but for now, it exists, so why shouldn't we put it to use to address transportation needs? Well, yes, quite. Sorry Zeke, did you take me seriously? Because I sure didn't, LOL! No objections at all, only it doesn't seem to happen much. AFAIK none of the cattle slaughtered in the BSE kill-offs ended up as biofuels, except I think France did some power generation with some carcases. I know there's an Elsbett system on a large power generator (or more than one) in the UK that burns animal fat, but I don't know if it burned BSE fat or not. An acid-base biodiesel process study done in Ireland was intended to cater for the need to dispose of the BSE wastes in a more sane way, but I don't think it was ever used for that. I don't think any of the chickens slaughtered in East Asia during the bird-flu kill-off were used for anything sensible. People just don't think that way yet. Our governments and the powers-that-be mostly still think of biofuels in terms of agricultural commodities, not energy. I have objected when people have announced projects for processing industrialised hog farm wastes into biofuels, or dead turkeys from intensive turkey raising factories or whatever, as nice, green, sustainable projects, and that they certainly aren't if what they're based on is none of those things, even if they might help clean up the mess. There shouldn't be any such mess. That aside, I agree with you, while it exists we might as well use it, though there's a prior question of how much of those wastes should go back to a grievously abused soil. If it's properly done there should be enough for both purposes. Best wishes Keith On 9/16/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I followed a link in another thread to www.slashdot.org and found this: BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) -- A German inventor said he has developed a method to produce crude oil products from waste that he believes can be an answer to the soaring costs of fuel, but denied a German newspaper story implying he also used dead cats. http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/09/14/germany.catfuel.reut/index.html Brian Rodgers These journalists, tut tut. Pity about the toad just the same, even just an odd one that may not have been there. How can he not know whether a toad hopped in or not but it might have? We get inundated by little bright green frogs in the rice-growing season, they're champion blind leapers, they get everywhere, we have to spend time saving their lives, but we never got one in the biodiesel, and if we had we'd have known about it. (So would the frog.) Someone should at least lobby the German government to develop official quality standards for biofuels potentially derived from odd toads, and even even ones. After all, this isn't the first time: http://www.thehumorarchives.com/humor/457.html Frog in a blender Todd is entirely to blame for this (but he says you can use a canoe paddle instead). Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [ARTICLE] Organic vs. conventional farming: yields, external costs
Hello Doug In response to one of Rexis Tree's questions. Biofuel may have a problem with competition for land with food and wildlife, See: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg18745.html Re: Biofuels hold key to future of British farming http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg48264.html How much fuel can we grow? but I don't think that we need fear lower yields with organic farming. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario I think this is rather a better source than David Pimenthal [sic]: http://journeytoforever.org/garden_organiccase.html The case for organics http://journeytoforever.org/garden.html Organic gardening http://journeytoforever.org/garden_organic.html Why organic? http://journeytoforever.org/farm.html Small farms Best wishes Keith -- Forwarded message -- The Institute of Science in Society: Science Society Sustainability http://www.i-sis.org.uk General Enquiries [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website/Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISIS Director [EMAIL PROTECTED] This article can be found on the I-SIS website at http://www.i-sis.org.uk/OBCA.php ISIS Press Release 12/09/05 Organic Agriculture Enters Mainstream ** Organic Yields on Par with Conventional and Ahead During Drought Years But by far the greatest gains are due to savings on damages to public health and the environment estimated at more than US$59 billion a year Dr. Mae-Wan Ho puts the nail on the coffin on industrial agriculture A fully referenced version of this article is posted on ISIS members' website http://www.i-sis.org.uk/full/OBCAFull.php. Details here http://www.i-sis.org.uk/membership.php Myths die hard Scientists who should know better - if only they had kept up with the literature - continue to tell the world that organic agriculture invariably means lower yields, especially compared to industrial high input agriculture, even when this has long been proven false (see for example, Organic agriculture fights back SiS 16 [1]; http://www.i-sis.org.uk/isisnews/sis16.php Organic production works, SiS 25 [2]). http://www.i-sis.org.uk/isisnews/sis25.php Researchers led by David Pimenthal, ecologist and agricultural scientist at Cornell University, New York, have now reviewed data from long-term field investigations and confirmed that organic yields are no different from conventional under normal growing conditions, but that they are far ahead during drought years [3]. The reasons are well known: organic soils have greater capacity to retain water as well as nutrients such as nitrogen. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] advancement of car technology
This is a funny (but I think pretty damning too) editorial on how what is considered a car with good gas mileage today, is no better than what was possible 30 years ago. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2005/09/16/notes091605.DTLnl=fix ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
No problem. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:49 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement? Apparently not. I was referring to a VW GTI in an earlier post and didn't realize you weren't. Sorry. Zeke On 9/16/05, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??? Are we talking about the same type of vehicle? I'm talking about a '85 Toyota LandCruiser BJ60 with a 3B engine. IIRC, the engine is runs around 2700-2800 rpm at 75 mph. At sea level the 3B is about 95 Hp, but, starts to have breathing problems at 3,000 ft, and I'm at 5500 ft and make trips to 10,000 - 12,000 ft. once a month or so. Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Wood cellulose breakdown, termites, and methane
from the site: http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/ritter/geog101/textbook/atmosphere/atmospheric_composition_p2.html Methane Methane (CH4) is a greenhouse gas contributing about 18% to global warming and has been on the rise over the last several decades. Methane is a product of the decomposition of organic matter, with major natural sources being that which occurs in wetlands and termites. A major source of methane is from termites. Termites eat wood and produce methane as a result of the breakdown of cellulose in their digestive tracts. They are thought to be responsible for 20% to 40% of the methane in the atmosphere. The clearing of the rainforests greatly impact termite populations and in turn the methane content of the atmosphere. When a patch of rainforest is cleared, termite populations explode due to the ample food source that is left behind. My mind begins to buzz at the thought of feeding bugs wood, and bottling their exhaust. This is yet another possible bit of data to consider when working out the gasification of wood. -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wood cellulose breakdown, termites, and methane
Hello Des. First, there is a need to separate the oxigen from the gases of the atmosphere before bottling their exhaust or it is a route for trouble with sparks. Regards. Juan -Mensaje original- De: des [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Viernes 16 de Septiembre de 2005 1:58 PM Para: Biofuel List Asunto: [Biofuel] Wood cellulose breakdown, termites, and methane from the site: http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/ritter/geog101/textbook/atmosphere/atmospheric_composition_p2.html Methane Methane (CH4) is a greenhouse gas contributing about 18% to global warming and has been on the rise over the last several decades. Methane is a product of the decomposition of organic matter, with major natural sources being that which occurs in wetlands and termites. A major source of methane is from termites. Termites eat wood and produce methane as a result of the breakdown of cellulose in their digestive tracts. They are thought to be responsible for 20% to 40% of the methane in the atmosphere. The clearing of the rainforests greatly impact termite populations and in turn the methane content of the atmosphere. When a patch of rainforest is cleared, termite populations explode due to the ample food source that is left behind. My mind begins to buzz at the thought of feeding bugs wood, and bottling their exhaust. This is yet another possible bit of data to consider when working out the gasification of wood. -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wood cellulose breakdown, termites, and methane
What if we could use the methane/air mixture as it was generated by the termites, rather than storing it? Does anyone have some back of the envelope calculations for how much BTU/hr content you could get from a given sized pile of wood filled with termites? On 9/16/05, Juan Boveda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Des. First, there is a need to separate the oxigen from the gases of the atmosphere before bottling their exhaust or it is a route for trouble with sparks. Regards. Juan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wood cellulose breakdown, termites, and methane
Not yet... still Googling through the termites=bad:methane=bad sites. Zeke Yewdall wrote: What if we could use the methane/air mixture as it was generated by the termites, rather than storing it? Does anyone have some back of the envelope calculations for how much BTU/hr content you could get from a given sized pile of wood filled with termites? On 9/16/05, Juan Boveda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Des. First, there is a need to separate the oxigen from the gases of the atmosphere before bottling their exhaust or it is a route for trouble with sparks. Regards. Juan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
Hi Greg, now we're getting to something specific enough to work with. Just to start debate on something I think about everyday, when I get into my LandCruiser. I wonder how much extra fuel is being used, because of the small engine size, climbing all the hills around here. Still, I'm not knocking the 20 mpg I'm getting now, I just keep thinking it could get better with a bigger / more powerful engine. You also posted: I'm talking about a '85 Toyota LandCruiser BJ60 with a 3B engine. IIRC, the engine is runs around 2700-2800 rpm at 75 mph. At sea level the 3B is about 95 Hp, but, starts to have breathing problems at 3,000 ft, and I'm at 5500 ft and make trips to 10,000 - 12,000 ft. once a month or so. U.S. government figures (EPA at http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm) show the city/hwy/combined figure for this vehicle as 11/13/12 mpg, and average user experience at 14.6 (one respondent). If you are getting 20 mpg, I'd say you are doing very well - fully 67% better than EPA rating. Especially good for a vehicle with a curb weight of 4200 pounds, and the aerodynamics of a parachute when you are travelling at speeds up to 75 mph. It would be one of my last choices for fuel economy for highway travel, but I'm sure it fits your needs. It appears the 4-cylinder engine was the only one available - there was nothing larger available from the manufacturer. I don't see that an automatic was available either. So picking another engine or transmission or both will be an adventure with little to go on for guidance. Are you certain that swapping engines will cost less than acquiring another (used) vehicle? I have been involved in a couple of engine swaps. Quality used engines don't come free around here. I was quoted over $3500 for a warranteed rebuilt engine a few years ago. That didn't include any labour or delivery. I bought a used truck here for $4500 two months ago, certified roadworthy. It's a pile of work to swap engines, requiring an engine hoist or equivalent for a couple of days. Do you have alternative wheels during the course of the transplant? You are not talking about a bolt-in, known compatible swap either. That is likely to present some additional research and issues. Is it worth making this investment in a 20-year-old chassis - to you? Finally, it is conventional wisdom that the bigger the engine, the lower the fuel economy. We went through this when looking at my wife's last vehicle purchase (2002 Saturn Vue). 4 cylinder 2.2 litre gets 21 mpg city, 6 cylinder 3.0 litre gets 19 mpg city. About 10% difference. Hwy numbers show a similar spread. We have the 4 cylinder, FWD. We find the performance more than adequate. Darryl McMahon - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 20:20 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement? This is not what I understood as your intent from your original post, which seemed to me could be seeking a justification for using overpowered vehicles, and too generic to provide a substantive response that could reliably guide decisions on engine selection. -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Q to Prof. Bob Allen Re: Na2SO4
Dear Prof.Allen: Good day! Can final drying of BD can be done with anhydrous Na2S04? We use it all the time in organic chem lab. Can Na2SO4 be regenerated, perhaps by heating, and then reused? Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Alternative Help for Katrina Victims
Here a Mail from a Volonteer from Montreal working in NO as Nurse F.F There are progressive alternatives to the Red Cross to make a hurricanerelief donation. The Red Cross is very tied into the military's hurricaneresponse that has created the chaos and exerted dis-respectful control ofthe majority black and poor survivors here in and around New Orleans.May I suggest several good alternatives.- The Common Grounds Health Clinic was started two weeks ago in the poorblack community of Algiers across the river from New Orleans. It isunder-served by any public health facilities, and we started it on thebehest of some community activists. We are staffed by volunteer doctors,nurses, EMTs, etc.. Now, our challenge is to institutionalize the freeclinic as a community-controlled primary health facility employing locals;and establish some satellites in other nearby underserved communities.See Michael Moore's home page for a photo of the clinic when it opened: http://www.michaelmoore.com/We do not have a tax deductible number yet.Common Grounds (Health Clinic)PO Box 3216Gretna, LA 70054- Community Labor United is a African American based organizationdeveloping progressive long-term relief plans for the Gulf Coast,including Common Grounds listed above.see: http://uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?id=9094Donate to:The Peoples Hurricane Fund Vanguard Public Foundation 383 Rhode Island St., Ste 301 San Francisco, CA 94103 or visit www.qecr.org.- Cindy Sheehan, Veterans For Peace and Michael More are working onprogressive responses, and are investigating helping us at the CommonGround Health Clinic. Sheehan working through the VFP have recentlyvisited and donated thousands of dollars in medications and supplies.- Michael Moore is referring people toVeterans For Peace: http://www.vfproadtrips.org/They are tax-deductible, and you can donate via PayPalor mail toMAIL DONATIONSRedwood Credit UnionVeterans For Peace Chapter 116 account195 S. Orchard Ave.Ukiah, CA 95482If you want to donate WORKING health supplies such as stethoscopes, BPcuffs, Glucometers test strips, etc, Ship packages to the CommonGrounds PO Box listed above,orUPS/FedEx to:Veterans For Peace Chapter 116C/O 645 Kimbro Drive,Baton Rouge, LA. 70808If you are a licensed RN, NP or MD and can volunteer at the Common GroundHealth Clinic in Algiers,LA please call (504) 361-9386 (evenings are bestwhen we are less busy, and the VFP (see their web site for their mobilelocations).Best wishes,Scott Weinstein, RN ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [ARTICLE] Organic vs. conventional farming: yields, external costs
Love the idea of small organic farms, love the idea of square foot farm, disagree to dedicated big farms which only produce one crop, hate to visit petro station, love bugs, love plants. love to try out compost(no way at 11th floor apartment which im staying now, last time tried to pile up a small hill of chopped grass in front of my house garden before the flood has brought everything almost into my house, good idea to use a barrel :-( ) did some vermiculture(better known as vermi-pet-ture, they are more like pets, but 6 earthworms-all digged out from garden soil successfull breed to 10s of worms in 6 months, before the container is discovered by mum :-/, those earthwormlings were then 'freed' nearby my home on a rich soil - hopefully they will find a new home there) Thanks for the information, it is very useful. Yet to carefully go thru it. On 9/17/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello DougIn response to one of Rexis Tree's questions.Biofuel may have a problem with competition for land with food andwildlife,See: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg18745.htmlRe: Biofuels hold key to future of British farminghttp://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg48264.html How much fuel can we grow?but I don't think that we need fear lower yields with organicfarming.Doug WoodardSt. Catharines, OntarioI think this is rather a better source than David Pimenthal [sic]: http://journeytoforever.org/garden_organiccase.htmlThe case for organicshttp://journeytoforever.org/garden.html Organic gardeninghttp://journeytoforever.org/garden_organic.htmlWhy organic?http://journeytoforever.org/farm.html Small farmsBest wishesKeith-- Forwarded message --The Institute of Science in Society: Science SocietySustainability http://www.i-sis.org.ukGeneral Enquiries[EMAIL PROTECTED]Website/Mailing List[EMAIL PROTECTED] ISIS Director[EMAIL PROTECTED]This article can be found on the I-SIS website athttp://www.i-sis.org.uk/OBCA.php ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
Chuck, FYI, If you look back in the archives on this thread (Hurley, Edward R Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:56:50 -0700)you will see what I did to make my 3/4 ton Dodge 4X4 move from ~17 mpg @ 70 mph to ~23 mpg @ the same speed. It included a gear vendor out-drive and a mild banks kit. We took a trip the past July through northern Arizona / New Mexico, southern Colorado / Utah / Nevada with the camper on the truck (camper has a GVW of about 2200 lbs) and averaged 21 mpg. for the whole trip. This included driving at high altitudes (many Mountains still had snow on them), head winds, wind resistance caused by the camper, etc. What I learned was to match the gearing with the performance that the engine can provide and you will increase both overall mpg's and performance. Ed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Chuck McGuire Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:45 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement? I would be inclined to think that turbocharging, or possibly supercharging the engine would be a better alternative. Of course you will have to fabricate all of the parts, and I would wager that the injector pump won't be able to deliver the extra fuel that significant boost would require for full power. Where I live in SW Montana,USA, my 1994 IDI Diesel Ford truck (not my daily driver) could use a wastgated turbocharger just so that I could reach sea level power. My home is at 6400 feet, and as such, my power is down about 22 percent right from the get go. If I could fund a new turbocharger and exhaust system, and get boost to 20 pounds absolute manifold pressure, performance would increase, and less fuel would leave the tailpipe as black smoke. As an aside, I have noticed that when I run my truck on B-20 commercial fuel, when it smokes, the smoke is gray, rather than black, which I take to be a GOOD THING. Thanks for listening, Chuck ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] advancement of car technology
This is simply sad, very sad. Absolutely we have the technology, this is as far as the imanagination goes. Yeah we can design a metro city with zero highways, zero emission, railway only, clean and green city, well, in SimCity. Too bad those in charged people never willing to play the real Sim nicely, nor they understand anything nicely. Nature will certainly balance everything back. Now we get a almost zero emission new orleans after Katrina's rampage, just because everything is destroyed. That's very sad. On 9/17/05, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a funny (but I think pretty damning too) editorial on how whatis considered a car with good gas mileage today, is no better thanwhat was possible 30 years ago. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2005/09/16/notes091605.DTLnl=fix___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] pussy makes car Purrrrrr
Hi Alex, On Sep 16, 2005, at 5:36 AM, alex burton wrote: I May well be wrong and i hope so ... I am not anti german in anyway. I am more asking the question if the lepard tanks that had such deverstating power were run on a fuel that may have been human fat. This hole concept sickens me but i have to ask if humans can be so evil? to kill cats_humans to power there greed to control. Alex. I hope i am wrong It's a horrifying thought. I think we can be fairly sure that it couldn't have happened, at least not on a production scale. Usually the death camp victims didn't go into the gas chambers and ovens until they'd been worked and starved almost to death. Anyone in that state would have already consumed all their available fats and proteins just trying to survive. So in an incredibly morbid thought, their enslavers cheated themselves out of a precious resource, by torturing and working the camp victims long enough to starve. Taryn http://ornae.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
