Re: [biofuels-biz] what standards ???
Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i find all this carrying on about biodiesel standards and quality (or lack of) somewhat thick. When/if-ever biofuels corporations rule the roost maybe what you say'll make a grain of sense. While Big Oil rules the roost, it doesn't. Big Oil has every reason and great ability to point fingers, along with a ready audience in all the right places, and is quite big enough to be impervious to any fingers pointed at them. Concern with biodiesel quality isn't thick, it's (a) realistic, and (b) essential. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: AW: [biofuels-biz] Re:NIR
no biodiesel in Australia? Josh Tickell, the motivator of this movement is in Australia. check out http://www.biodiesel.org.au/ http://www.veggievan.org Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Wooly . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:01 PM Subject: Re: AW: [biofuels-biz] Re:NIR Camillo I was taught to have all the equipment and elements required be fully prepared before starting the experiment. Additionally business has taught me to explore all options before even spending my lunch money on equipment. The moral of the story being, there is ALWAYS time (or time MUST be made) to explore options before proceeding. If my information is correct substandard biodiesel has been detected in these percentages in Europe for some time now - rushing out and buying a GC instead of taking even a few days to explore an (apparently) easier and cheaper option won't change history (I found links to dozens of commercially available units in about twenty minutes). From my point of view, we have NO biodiesel yet in Australia (there is a world outside Europe) and I will spend as much time as I please looking at my options, and talking about them on this forum. There's a planet dying too! Still no justification for overlooking what is claimed to be a cheaper, less dangerous, less critical, less destructive continuous method. I can of course see from your point of view that it will become more difficult to sell your reactors if none of the car makers will entertain BD usage, and that there is thus a real commercial risk here for you. Please go to any (sophisticated!) lab equipment shop and ask them to provide you with a complete solution for analysing BD to quality standard using NIR Camillo, I already posted the links, some to the largest (most sophisticated, if you must make things cpmlicated) equipment purveyors around. I've BEEN to the 'lab equipment' shops. The internet IS my shopping mall now. I bank on it, buy on it , research on it, socialise on it (and therefore network on it). These 'shopkeepers' say they have a device that can continuously and accurately monitor fast-reaction based industrial processes including standard chemical and food processing - as I understand it methyl ester production is an exceptionally common process for lots of reasons, none of them fuel related. The caveat is that the NIR devices are calibrated once only with a sample that is GC verified (or so they say). I don't even know for sure that your machines produce biodiesel, but I believe you when you say they do. The same applies to people who sell NIR machines. No one claimed NIR proves the fuel is to standard, anyway, even Keith. Its only supposedly a way of more easily monitoring a process to ensure no real deviation from a certain point (ie, the standard). Steve Woolcott HarvestEnergy Sydney Australia Again: Please go to any (sophisticated!) lab equipment shop and ask them to provide you with a complete solution for analysing BD to quality standard using NIR. THEN you will probably be able to grasp my point. Camillo Holecek -Ursprngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] s.onelist.com]Im Auftrag von Wooly . Gesendet: Freitag, 03. August 2001 12:49 An: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [biofuels-biz] Re:NIR Camillo Or are you using it successfully at present? No, I'm not using it at all. Just following up on Keith's enquiry as to whether I'd found anything on NIR whilst looking for something else. If you've proven it unuseful for the present thats a shame. On what basis? Steve _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
[biofuels-biz] Let the money go there ;)
Is all the money in the nuclear-fossil business ???. Where there is a space for renewable energy ???. Have the not-ever-lucid goverments all the power ? The answer it«s not. You and me, the citizens, have a big power, our resources, to protect the nature and help to progress the renewable energy industries. But we need to find the right organizatios to canalize the ideas and with objective guarantees. Because of this, the Ethic Financial Agencies exist.. You can see a list of them in http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/bancaetica.htm and ask about their renewable energy projects ( or specifically about the biofuel projects ) to invest your money. In the other hand, you can ask them about money for your biodiesel projects. For sure, a very needed help for nature conservation and renewable energy . Regards. Pedro. Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil petrolfero La solucin a sus problemas energticos. http://sitio.de/energia http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] big oil
keith, i think you miss my point. big oil will do whatever is in its power to discredit biofuels made or used by anyone except themselves. confusion regarding standards plays right into their hands. they can always claim that 'standards are not met', thus instilling fear into potential users. the fact that their own products do not meet 'standards' is never mentioned. standards are part facts, part politics. the european iodine indexstandard being discussed is a good example of this. i propose instead that we espouse pragmatism regarding biofuel standards, to level the field somewhat. and pragmatism in this case is spelt 'm-o-n-e-y' when big oil pushed alcohol out of the marketplace, it did so based on cost, and later on availability. there were no standards of any sort at the time. as long as the vehicle ran, price, and then availability, called the shots. my experience is that biofuels will have to go through the same learning curve, except whenpolitical decisions intervene to make things happen, as is the case of brazil, and now malaysia. and of course, my confidence is bolstered by the fact that big oil greed will play right into the hands of biofuels, as the spread between the two narrows, and eventuallyreverts. that's why i cited the argentine example. two years agonobody here had heard of biodiesel. today everyone wants in. but the reasons are100% economic. as i pointed out, argentina is in a position inwhich biodieselcan be a lot cheaper than dinodiesel. and this ismotivating demand. standards ? most end users wouldn't know where to start reading. or care less, if the savings are hefty enough. so i propose we stop posturing regarding standards, some of which, like cetane, cannot be readily measured without a lab ic engine. instead, let's concentrate on simple means of giving our biofuels a practical clean bill of health, using language that the layman can understand. because it's the layman, after all, that's going to make this work, or not. i gave alek's visual 'standard' as an example of this. pH is also easy to measure, usingcheap paper indicators, and is another standard that is 'understandable'. density is, methinks, in the same boat. and if we're worried about pour points, and such, running the biodiesel through the freezer, and then filtering to 10 microns, will take care of most of the unwanted particulates. summing up: lower costs and user friendlystandards will further biofuel use,IMHO, whereas complicated esoteric standards discussions will confuse the layman, and play right into big oil's hands. nothingsucceeds like success... but then, if what some peoplewant are standards that only theycan meet, they should say so up front, and not hide behind diddly lab language. longish two cents, what ? cheers, dick. snip= time,a commodity in perennial short supply. this is a public service message. Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] what standards ??? ...Big Oil has every reason and great ability to point fingers, along with a ready audience in all the right places, and is quite big enough to be impervious to any fingers pointed at them. Concern with biodiesel quality isn't "thick", it's (a) realistic, and (b) essential. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [biofuels-biz] big oil
keith, i think you miss my point. On the contrary Dick, I think you miss mine. Not the first time we've exchanged that set of words. One point I do maybe miss is why you're making it an either/or issue. It seems obvious it has to work both ways. Why do you talk about confusing end-users with complicated standards? Nobody's proposing that. Your strategy for end-users is the strategy everyone employs, or should be unless they're dumb. But that strategy is not going to work with the likes of Volkswagen, et no-doubt al, in Camillo's example. And it's not the only example. big oil will do whatever is in its power to discredit biofuels made or used by anyone except themselves. Yes, that's what I said. Yet I see very little evidence of them doing that at the end-user level of things. What I do see is such as BP-Amoco winning Euro court cases against French subsidies and so on. (Well, they won on ethanol, lost on biodiesel.) That's the level that standards work on. confusion regarding standards plays right into their hands. they can always claim that 'standards are not met', thus instilling fear into potential users. No, that's not how it works - they don't go to the public with stuff like that, they go to big business and to politicians. Volvo is a rare case, and they're not even big oil. If Volkswagen does that, they won't be using a spurious bit of sponsored junk science like Volvo did, they'll be using Camillo's figures, which can't be so easily knocked, they're genuine. That needs fixing. Your way won't fix it. the fact that their own products do not meet 'standards' is never mentioned. Of course not. standards are part facts, part politics. the european iodine index standard being discussed is a good example of this. Sure, they don't want soybeans there. That's not the point at all - right or wrong, it'll cut zilcho ice with the likes of Volkswagen. i propose instead that we espouse pragmatism regarding biofuel standards, to level the field somewhat. and pragmatism in this case is spelt 'm-o-n-e-y' Yeah, well this is where you go veering off into oppositions that don't exist. Or shouldn't. snip that's why i cited the argentine example. two years ago nobody here had heard of biodiesel. today everyone wants in. That's not confined to the Argentine. Each case is special of course, but the fact is that biodiesel has taken off worldwide in the last two years. but the reasons are 100 % economic. That's not true. Argentines who write to me tell me otherwise. as i pointed out, argentina is in a position in which biodiesel can be a lot cheaper than dinodiesel. and this is motivating demand. standards ? most end users wouldn't know where to start reading. or care less, if the savings are hefty enough. so i propose we stop posturing regarding standards, some of which, like cetane, cannot be readily measured without a lab ic engine. Why are you using a loaded word like posturing? instead, let's concentrate on simple means of giving our biofuels a practical clean bill of health, using language that the layman can understand. because it's the layman, after all, that's going to make this work, or not. That's also not true. It requires a broad strategy covering everything from the local tractor driver to George W. Bush - who's just-approved energy plan, incidentally, includes a 100 million gallon reserve of biodiesel, which certainly wouldn't have happened two years ago. The result of a broad strategy. How many average Joe's in the US, and elsewhere, having read a newspaper piece on the energy plan, are now saying, Hey, what's biodiesel? It has to work at all levels. i gave alek's visual 'standard' as an example of this. pH is also easy to measure, using cheap paper indicators, and is another standard that is 'understandable'. density is, methinks, in the same boat. and if we're worried about pour points, and such, running the biodiesel through the freezer, and then filtering to 10 microns, will take care of most of the unwanted particulates. That's for do-it-yourselfers. And please don't argue about that, it's my web page and I put it there. Aleks's tests are great, but they'd also cut no ice with Volkswagen, nor with the likes of Dick Cheney and his gang of industry cronies. summing up: lower costs and user friendly standards will further biofuel use, IMHO, whereas complicated esoteric standards discussions will confuse the layman, and play right into big oil's hands. Why will it confuse the layman? You've already said the layman knows nothing about dinodiesel standards, nor wants to, nor is offered it, same applies. nothing succeeds like success... but then, if what some people want are standards that only they can meet, they should say so up front, and not hide behind diddly lab language. That's a bit of a thing to imply. What exactly are you saying? Maybe it's you who should say so upfront. longish two cents, what ? cheers,
Re: [biofuel] Africar et al
- Original Message - From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Africar et al Holden is the name of the engine manufacturer, a sister to the GM empire in USA. Seeing Daewoo was bailed out of trouble by GM, not surprising that the Holden engine ended up in its chassis.. John in Australia Sounds right to me John. My father has one of the first model Daewoo Celino (?) to come to Australia. He is an old Holden and Ford man from way back but thinks the world of this little car. Reliable, economical etc. Drove it briefly, not for long enough or hard enough to sort it out but seemed to ride well. (anything would ride well when my usual mode of transport is a 4WD Hilux with extra leaves in the springs). Dad is 86 and has just driven up from Newcastle to visit us and back again. Round trip of more than 4,000km. Regards Paul. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] missing information
I have spent the best part of the last 2 days reading everything I can find online concerning biodiesel. I have everything close at hand to start a small test batch. There is one thing I have not found. Good information on pressing oil from the seeds. Either this subject is just so simple that anyone but the village idiot can do it or it is some kind of trade secret. At this point I am tempted to just pour some seed into a can and start pounding with our shop press! Although I am all for experimentation I don't want to re-invent the wheel. If anyone knows of a site that gives good, detailed and useful information on this subject please let me know. I need some sleep! Thanks, stujo PS: Since sunflowers are a major crop in the area I plan to start with them but would also like to experiment with canola. Are there major differences concerning quality, volume or processing? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] External Combustion, Made in Michigan!
I though Steve posted something about this before, I could not find anything in the archives. Connected with the Delco-Remy generator, could make a lot of Home Brewed fuel! Pretty kewl site too! http://www.chiefengineer.org/article.cfm?seqnum1=474 DTE Energy Technologies, an unregulated subsidiary of DTE Energy Co., today announced the signing of an agreement with STM Power Inc. of Ann Arbor, Mich., to develop and sell high-efficiency energy/nowú external combustion power modules worldwide except in Asia.The agreement is the latest in a series of partnership agreements that have positioned DTE Energy Technologies as a worldwide leader in building a broad portfolio of distributed generation solutions for homes, businesses and industries. This new product, the 25-kilowatt (kW) energy|nowú ENE250 power module, is powered by an externalcombustion engine developed by STM Power Inc. that burns gaseous and liquid fuel that include natural gas, diesel, landfill, bio and flare gases. The STM 4-120 engine has many advantages for distributed power, runs smoothly and quietly, does not require a muffler and can be as efficient as the best internal combustion engines. It meets all existing environmental stvandards. In volume production, the STM engines will be cost-competitivewith gasoline or diesel engines. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel]Production[FW: Expeller and Filter Press]
Steven, Glad to be of help. I contacted several manufacturers of oil expellers, filters etc in India as there seemed to be a lot more of them there than in other countries. The company whose email I sent gave me the best quotes of all of them. That is why I sent it to you. Also they have an agent (or some kind of associate) here in Brisbane. His name is Jeyom Segaram and he seems to know a bit about biodiesel as well. This is his email address [EMAIL PROTECTED], his phone is 07 33767698. Hanns -Original Message- From: Steven Hobbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2001 1:00 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel]Production[FW: Expeller and Filter Press] Hanns, thanks for the info. I will send them an email and find out more Thanks Steven Hanns B. Wetzel wrote: To Steven Hobbs, I recently obtained quotes from several suppliers for oil expelling equipment for copra. The alse use it for seeds both cold pressed and cooked. You might like to contact them. Forwarded herewith is one of their emails. Hanns -Original Message- From: United Oil Mill Machinery Spares Pvt. Ltd. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 25 July 2001 4:50 PM To: Hanns B. Wetzel Subject: Re: Expeller and Filter Press Dear Mr. Hanns, Reference your E Mail dated 17 th June 2001 we had forwarded our offer for a 3 TPD copra oil mill plant vide our letter dated 18 th June 2001. We trust you would have received and found the same in line with your requirement. Please do inform us the status of our offer. In case you require any clarifications please do not hesitate to contact us. Best Regards For United Oil Mill machinery Spares Pvt. Ltd. Ashish Gandhi Jt. Managing Director. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Over hill, Over dale
http://test1.janes.com/regional_news/americas/news/idr/idr010601_1_n.s html In a world of diesel-fuelled military vehicles, planners have struggled for many years banish gasoline from the battlefield. One small obstacle has been the motorcycle, which has always relied on simple, lightweight and high-powered gasoline engines. The military has always relied on motorcycles for battlefield communications and reconnaissance. Now a-diesel-engined motorcycle prepares to challenge the status quo - and eliminate gasoline from the military supply chain. The M1030M1 diesel-powered motorcyle is derived from a stock Kawasaki KLR650, used by the US Marine Corps. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Africar et al
Holden is the name of the engine manufacturer, a sister to the GM empire in USA. Seeing Daewoo was bailed out of trouble by GM, not surprising that the Holden engine ended up in its chassis.. John in Australia Witness Daewoo in the US. For the first couple of model years they had engines built by some company in Australia I don't remember the name of, Henderson, I think, mated to transaxles built by Toyota. The Australian engines, while they aren't the smoothest things in the world have proven to be reliable, and Toyota's tranaxles are practically bulletproof. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] missing information
http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/sunfloweroil.htm Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: stujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 2:58 AM Subject: [biofuel] missing information I have spent the best part of the last 2 days reading everything I can find online concerning biodiesel. I have everything close at hand to start a small test batch. There is one thing I have not found. Good information on pressing oil from the seeds. Either this subject is just so simple that anyone but the village idiot can do it or it is some kind of trade secret. At this point I am tempted to just pour some seed into a can and start pounding with our shop press! Although I am all for experimentation I don't want to re-invent the wheel. If anyone knows of a site that gives good, detailed and useful information on this subject please let me know. I need some sleep! Thanks, stujo PS: Since sunflowers are a major crop in the area I plan to start with them but would also like to experiment with canola. Are there major differences concerning quality, volume or processing? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Let the money go there ;)
Is all the money in the nuclear-fossil business ???. Where there is a space for renewable energy ???. Have the not-ever-lucid goverments all the power ? The answer it«s not. You and me, the citizens, have a big power, our resources, to protect the nature and help to progress the renewable energy industries. But we need to find the right organizatios to canalize the ideas and with objective guarantees. Because of this, the Ethic Financial Agencies exist.. You can see a list of them in http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/bancaetica.htm and ask about their renewable energy projects ( or specifically about the biofuel projects ) to invest your money. In the other hand, you can ask them about money for your biodiesel projects. For sure, a very needed help for nature conservation and renewable energy . Regards. Pedro. Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil petrolfero La solucin a sus problemas energticos. http://sitio.de/energia http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] unsubscribe
Please take me off your mail list. I am interested in working with bio-fuels but do not have the time to review all of the political rhetoric which is the majority of the content of the postings of your group. Thank you and good luck. Stan Rains Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] missing information
I have spent the best part of the last 2 days reading everything I can find online concerning biodiesel. I have everything close at hand to start a small test batch. There is one thing I have not found. Good information on pressing oil from the seeds. Either this subject is just so simple that anyone but the village idiot can do it or it is some kind of trade secret. At this point I am tempted to just pour some seed into a can and start pounding with our shop press! Although I am all for experimentation I don't want to re-invent the wheel. If anyone knows of a site that gives good, detailed and useful information on this subject please let me know. I need some sleep! Thanks, stujo PS: Since sunflowers are a major crop in the area I plan to start with them but would also like to experiment with canola. Are there major differences concerning quality, volume or processing? Hello Stujo Don't start by pressing seeds. Start by making mini-batches of a litre or so using fresh (virgin) cooking oil, then move on to other things once you're familiar with the process. Keep variables to a minimum until you know what you're doing. When you're ready to start pressing seeds, there's a lot of information here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html Scroll down to Grow your own. It ain't no secret - about 40,000 people visited that page last month! Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Over hill, Over dale
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://test1.janes.com/regional_news/americas/news/idr/idr010601_1_n.s html In a world of diesel-fuelled military vehicles, planners have struggled for many years banish gasoline from the battlefield. One small obstacle has been the motorcycle, which has always relied on simple, lightweight and high-powered gasoline engines. The military has always relied on motorcycles for battlefield communications and reconnaissance. Now a-diesel-engined motorcycle prepares to challenge the status quo - and eliminate gasoline from the military supply chain. The M1030M1 diesel-powered motorcyle is derived from a stock Kawasaki KLR650, used by the US Marine Corps. Interesting. I think NATO's been there, done that though, with a thing called a DRA. Pic and some information here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bikes.html Diesel motorbikes Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fuel Economy Website Offers One Stop Auto Information
We have similar in Spain. One can use www.amena.es phones to recieve the nearest fuel-station with lowest prices by GSM Text Messages at low cost (know like SMS messages; if you save money buying low price fuels, the user needs a chiep mean to recieve the information on-road ). You send the text GAS to amena, you will recieve the MSM message in your GSM mobile phone ( it uses geolocation to know where you are ). In the future, we can stablish a service to send BIO-GAS and recieve the nearest fuel-stations that sell, at least, 20% biofuels ( biodiesel, chiefly ). or BIO-GAS 100 % to recieve the stations with 100 % biodiesel. Regards. Peter. You can see the information in spanish too in ( Petrol and Nuclear Section ) : http://sitio.de/energia http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 6:56 AM Subject: [biofuel] Fuel Economy Website Offers One Stop Auto Information http://ens-news.com/ens/jul2001/2001L-07-31-09.html Environment News Service: AmeriScan: July 31, 2001 Fuel Economy Website Offers One Stop Auto Information WASHINGTON, DC, July 31, 2001 (ENS) - Consumers have a new and improved on-line tool to help them select the perfect vehicle. The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) today added several new features to the federal government's fuel economy web site, http://www.fueleconomy.gov, including a gasoline price page with links to national and regional fuel price information and information on vehicle safety ratings and air pollution. These new features will help consumers understand their total transportation costs and vehicle choices so they can make informed decisions when shopping for a car, said Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham. With this one-stop resource at their fingertips, car buyers can be confident that they've selected the safest, cleanest, and most fuel efficient vehicle that meets their needs. The web site is produced in partnership with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the new features are the result of expanded collaboration between the two agencies, as well as with the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) and other industry partners. The gasoline price page features links targeted to national and regional fuel price information, courtesy of the American Automobile Association (AAA) and DOE's Energy Information Administration. Other links direct users to stations offering the least expensive gas in town. A new consumer information page can help drivers understand exactly where their money goes each time they visit the gas pump, and answers other questions about fuel pricing. The vehicle safety rating information comes from DOT's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and vehicle-specific air pollution information from EPA. For example, consumers with children who are researching minivans will be able to identify which models have earned five stars on NHTSA's frontal and side impact tests and use the website's side-by-side comparison features to determine which of those vehicles offers the best fuel economy and lowest greenhouse gas and air pollution emissions. Certain sport utility vehicle (SUV) models score five stars on the NHTSA front impact test and four stars on the side test. Using http://www.fueleconomy.gov, the potential SUV buyer is able to compare model features and decide to opt for the version with better fuel economy and emissions. For example, the four liter engine version of one SUV model is more fuel efficient and has lower greenhouse gas emissions than the five liter version of the same model. Model year 2002 vehicle information will be released on the website this fall. In addition to the new upgrades the site lists annual fuel cost data for new and used vehicles dating back to 1985. It allows searches for vehicles by class, make and model, and miles per gallon, offers fuel saving driver's tips, and links to numerous car buying websites. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Over hill, Over dale
don't forget the http://www.essexmfg.com/Kawasaki/safari.stm based on a http://www.kawasaki.com/uv/mule2510diesel.html Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Over hill, Over dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://test1.janes.com/regional_news/americas/news/idr/idr010601_1_n.s html In a world of diesel-fuelled military vehicles, planners have struggled for many years banish gasoline from the battlefield. One small obstacle has been the motorcycle, which has always relied on simple, lightweight and high-powered gasoline engines. The military has always relied on motorcycles for battlefield communications and reconnaissance. Now a-diesel-engined motorcycle prepares to challenge the status quo - and eliminate gasoline from the military supply chain. The M1030M1 diesel-powered motorcyle is derived from a stock Kawasaki KLR650, used by the US Marine Corps. Interesting. I think NATO's been there, done that though, with a thing called a DRA. Pic and some information here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bikes.html Diesel motorbikes Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Over hill, Over dale
Nice diesel MC site with updated pics of NATO diesel bike: http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/diesel.htm Ed B. www.biofuels.ca From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 21:51:10 +0900 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Over hill, Over dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://test1.janes.com/regional_news/americas/news/idr/idr010601_1_n.s html In a world of diesel-fuelled military vehicles, planners have struggled for many years banish gasoline from the battlefield. One small obstacle has been the motorcycle, which has always relied on simple, lightweight and high-powered gasoline engines. The military has always relied on motorcycles for battlefield communications and reconnaissance. Now a-diesel-engined motorcycle prepares to challenge the status quo - and eliminate gasoline from the military supply chain. The M1030M1 diesel-powered motorcyle is derived from a stock Kawasaki KLR650, used by the US Marine Corps. Interesting. I think NATO's been there, done that though, with a thing called a DRA. Pic and some information here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bikes.html Diesel motorbikes Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: My one and only comment on the nuclear fracas
kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't in an incinerator. Was being tested and caught fire. They got it out of the building but that's all. I did not examine the debris. I only heard comments about over a pound of missing plutonium. When did this happen? Where was the aerospace facility? Back in the '60's and early '70's the design concept for RTGs was that on reentry they should burn up quickly, and be dispersed over the widest possible area. I guess they mean like the Soviet Kosmos 954 satellite which burned up in 1978, shedding 20-25% of its reactor core (an actual fission reactor with Uranium 235 fuel, not an RTG) into tens of millions of pepper-flake sized particles over 124,000 square kilometers of western Canada. Yeah, right. Since then the design concept has changed to something a little more sane. Instead of metallic fuel they now use ceramic pellets containing plutonium dioxide, which will not burn. In the event of reentry, the newer designs will keep the RTG units together as long as possible, and keep the fuel pellets together all the way to impact, which if they don't survive intact they will break into large non respirable chunks. Even so, the best place for them is away from Earth orbit, where we don't have to worry about them comming down on our heads or our great grandchildren's great grandchildren's heads. Accidents happen. But to coverup on such a scale and to deny culpability when you have damaged others so deeply. Sociopathic behavior. Criminal behavior. But it goes back to what I said about the unscrupulous ones who are only interested in that next raise or promotion. Couple that with denying culpability on Smokey and my experience as a field service engineer at Picker and my impression of the radiation business is a snakepit. The stats are lies. Snakepit indeed. That's why I say the only nuclear reactors I like are RTG's operated in space _away_ from Earth. sigh So much for one and only comment. -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] about the un-subscribers
100 + emails are so very bothersome. That is why I use the digest feature. This sends me one email a day with all the posts convienently encapsulated. I can cruise right past the political / propaganda and get to the real meat of the group. Perhaps this feature isn't promoted enough. I believe you can set this through the yahoo groups page. For all members I do want to say I am aware of the environmental issues and have been converted. Don't preach to the choir! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] about the un-subscribers
stujo wrote: 100 + emails are so very bothersome. That is why I use the digest feature. This sends me one email a day with all the posts convienently encapsulated. I can cruise right past the political / propaganda and get to the real meat of the group. Perhaps this feature isn't promoted enough. I believe you can set this through the yahoo groups page. Personally, I find all this bickering about the high number of messages sheer nonsense! Last week, I went on a trip with my eldest son to Alberta and didn't turn my computer on for five full days. When I returned, I found only 118 messages on the server, and it took me about 30 minutes to read them all. I find a considerable amount of good information presented here. The people who keep sending unsubscribe messages to this forum either do not know how to read, or cannot follow directions! robert luis rabello Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] unsubscribe
Pedro said... That«s a good news. If there are a lot of message, perhaps it«s time to ask for a biodiesel newsgroups in Usenet sci.energy.* or similar ( no alt.* because not everybody can read them ). Best. ARGHHH NO!! one word - SPAM well two words actually - IDIOTS At the moment this news list is full of lively debate, whether it be on the making of biodiesel or at least something that you can draw a very tenuous link back to biodiesel and it should stay that way. If it goes Usenet, you will end up with idiots asking everything from will biodiesel make my penis bigger to if you send this email and a litre of biodiesel to a friend and hug them a lot, the world will be a nicer place and if all else fails, hug your teddy. To put it bluntly it will become a shit fight. Besides the occasional boofhead who can't unsubscribe themselves or redneck who thinks the list is made up of card carrying, flag waving, pinko commies because we dare to question the government or big business, it is a haven of sense, humility and mostly good grammar and spelling, even from those who's first language is not English, ;), so lets keep it that way. Now, where's that port and chocolate Andrew [SNIP] //***\\ || Two things get me out of the water quickly: || || sharks and toilet paper. || || Billy Connelly || ||***|| || Andrew Lowe B.Eng.(Civil) GradIEAust PEng || || Wombat High Tech *|* Eng. App. Programming|| || [EMAIL PROTECTED] *|* Perth, Australia || || www.wht.com.au *|* C, C++, MDL, Java|| \\***// Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
