You forgot to mention, that the production of hydrogen is an enery sink,
i. e. for the production of 1 kW of Hydrogen enery you need 1,5 kW of
traditional (nuclear, fossil, sun) energy.
You better use that energy directly.
Reinhard Henning
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Hello Michael
Paul:
I tried slaked lime on some of our high FFA crude palm
oil and had similar results to Keith. Leaving it
overnight to settle gave me only about 15% recovery of
the oil.
Part of the problem is the very high viscosity of our
CPO which is rather like mayonnaise even at 30 degC.
Jaques raised a very good question back on 5th Sept., and as a non-chemist I
was looking forward to seeing what the answer would be (something about
polymerisation perhaps). A related problem seems to have arisen with very
high pressure common rail systems (1600 Bar). These issues must be
Monday, Sep. 23, 2002
Russia Key in U.S. Push for Mideast Alternative
By Andrew Mitchell
Reuters
OSAKA, Japan -- As fears of a war in Iraq deepen unease over U.S. reliance
on Middle East oil, Washington is mounting an energy diplomacy campaign to
secure new supplies in Africa, the former Soviet
Paul Keith,
Thank you for your response.
Paul:
I tried slaked lime on some of our high FFA crude
palm
oil and had similar results to Keith. Leaving it
overnight to settle gave me only about 15% recovery
of
the oil.
Part of the problem is the very high viscosity of
our
CPO which
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In this case, for example, I've *never heard mention of this issue* from
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Another hydrogen problem I haven't heard discussed is that it
contracts chemically
tvoivozhd commented on the Homestead list recently:
About time attention was turned to this energy resource---about four
times that contained in more familiar coal, oil and gas reserves.
Some danger of a blowout if pressure is inadvertently released, and
you wouldn't want to breathe a methane
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Not that Hubbert's Peak makes much sense to me anyway, even without
methane hydrate,
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I didn't really find this piece, overall, to be as compelling an
indictment of H2 as the
author I guess intended. He did not mention what I have said before is my
own top
objection to H2 (the global H2 depletion argument... seldom mention or
respected by
anyone).
While H2 depletion is an on
So what effect could this have on the famous Hubbert's Peak of fossil
fuel supplies down whose steep slopes we'll allegedly soon be
tobogganing towards the end of CAWKI? Also, how do these apparently
regular accidental discoveries of new energy resources reflect on
all the assurances we've
Unlike the anti-biotic poison, the bacteria do not have a chance to build up
an immunity.
And if one ever does? Shall we simply assume that you're correct? That it's
physically entirely completely impossible for any bacteria ever, by some
mutation, to survive a phage attack?
I'd like to see
Todd,
To keep it straight, responses are interjected between your
comments.
I do not think it opens up many materials, since more than 90%
of our building materials have an emission factor around 0.9. In
this context, I mentioned adding aluminium.
Aluminum's greatest use is as a radiant
snip
Another hydrogen problem I haven't heard discussed is that it
contracts chemically 1/3 on burning according to
H2 + 1/2 O2 [1.5 moles or voumes] === H2O [1 mole]
by contrast, methane gets full value, since CH4 + 2 O2 [3 moles]
=== CO2 + 2 H2O [3moles]
snip
Perhaps this
As for the lack of widespread understanding of over-use of antibiotics, I'm
sorry, but anyone who has taken and understood a high school biology course
should have understood, when they looked at the misuse of antibiotics in
agriculture, that this presented a possible human-life-threatening
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In this case, for example, I've *never heard mention of this issue* from
Another forward from the stoves list.
Keith
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Dear All,
Discussion of the impending hydrogen economy
As for the lack of widespread understanding of over-use of antibiotics, I'm
sorry, but anyone who has taken and understood a high school biology course
should have understood, when they looked at the misuse of antibiotics in
agriculture, that this presented a possible human-life-threatening
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It has been a little known problem ( most cases in hospitals ) since the
70's ( I heard about it in the early to mid 80's), only in the last few
years has it become more prevalent due in part that anti-biotics have
So what effect could this have on the famous Hubbert's Peak of fossil
fuel supplies down whose steep slopes we'll allegedly soon be
tobogganing towards the end of CAWKI? Also, how do these apparently
regular accidental discoveries of new energy resources reflect on
all the assurances we've
I'm a fan of human industry,
Well then, it would make perfect sense to take present and future
energy sources and utilize them in the production of renewable
industries, thereby cutting lifetime emissions of any given
amount of energy consumed to a mear fraction (a really small
fraction, not a
These discoveries sound nice, but when a few large companies control the
resourses and can manipulate energy prices to justify further developement,
it just ends up taking money out of everyones pockets.
Here in Saskatchewan, as far as I know, we are the only Canadian province
that can't set
Hello Hakan
Coming from a family with many physicians, I have heard warnings about this
for more than 40 years now. The practises are similar to what I am dealing
with for energy saving in buildings. 40 years ago, it was a minority of
physicians, among them my father, that was very upset with
Duh, yes. Focusing on Hubbert's Peak commonly leads to that omission.
Mere substitution of fossil fuels is not the answer. But if you
consider climate change, the need for reduction is obvious.
So long as we have something like political-economic systems that are oriented
to the idea that one
The Second article mentioned
some very interesting claim as to a find that there is a rapid
rate of new
formation of the Methane. Now *that* would be *really*
interesting. Almost
like trees and biomass growing all the time on land, so if you
harvested
only-so-much it would be a renewable
convinced. If we want to go on using fossil-fuel with such profligacy
I don't see anything that's going to stop us. Except climate change -
much more important than Hubbert's Peak. That's the reason to cut
down on fossil fuels and find alternatives, not because we're going
to run out of them.
Keith,
Somebody told me the we should not discuss prostitutes and that you might
be upset. But we are always coming back to them, not the female version
that at least are honest, but the corporate/political ugly one the live on
deception and make a lot more money.
Hakan
At 01:28 AM
Keith,
Somebody told me the we should not discuss prostitutes and that you might
be upset.
I've never done business with one, Hakan, but I've had a few friends
who were prostitutes, especially when I was a crime reporter. Well,
you're supposed to get your information from the police, but I
Hello again MM
Duh, yes. Focusing on Hubbert's Peak commonly leads to that omission.
Mere substitution of fossil fuels is not the answer. But if you
consider climate change, the need for reduction is obvious.
So long as we have something like political-economic systems that are oriented
to
Preach it Brother Keith!
Evening services begin at dusk?
Todd Swearingen
Freedom of whom? I think you might find that people arguing for
freedom vs environmental responsibility are in fact arguing for
*corporate* freedom, not individual freedom, though they might
think
that's what they're
Freedom of whom? I think you might find that people arguing for
freedom vs environmental responsibility are in fact arguing for
*corporate* freedom, not individual freedom, though they might think
that's what they're arguing for.
Amen. Big time. My point exactly. A lot of them *equate*
That would seem to indicate that ASSUMING (and it is a
big assumption) that if the Hydrogen Economy starts
(regardless because-of-us or in-spite-of-us) ... we
need to develop more bound-chemical means of storing
H2. Like within methanol ... of hydride ... or that
Borax Natrium thing ... or
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:05:23 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
That would seem to indicate that ASSUMING (and it is a
big assumption) that if the Hydrogen Economy starts
(regardless because-of-us or in-spite-of-us) ... we
need to develop more bound-chemical means of storing
H2. Like within methanol ...
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However, under circumstances where we propose a worlwide shift in human
behaviour and
I see a pattern ... and I was wondering if any else
does.
The fight between Enviro and Freedom appear to be
disturbingly multiple choice test ... with only two
choices. Full on Enviro .. or Full on Freedom. With
no C: None of the above .. or even blanks to
essay-write your own answers. Only
Ayn Rand was mistress to one of the Rothschilds.
I suppose you could consider her an insider.
Kirk
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You don't have to leave Victoria to find an abundance of gas in BC.
POC
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Keith Addison wrote:
tvoivozhd commented on the Homestead list recently:
About time attention was turned to this energy resource---about four
times that contained in more familiar coal, oil and gas
(whispering)
Shhh the reason you smell ozone is because
the Oxygen in the air is being molecularly changed
into ozone.
O2 - O3
Curtis
--- Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You can do the experiment your self with a aquarium UV
sterilizer, turn it on and very slowly pump water
Hakan,
I do not think it opens up many materials, since more than
90%
of our building materials have an emission factor around
0.9. In
this context, I mentioned adding aluminium.
Aluminum's greatest use is as a radiant barrier, and only if
air
flow is eliminated or almost entirely so
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(whispering)
Shhh the reason you smell ozone is because
the
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:40:16 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
IMHO, the problem would be minimal, controlled mostly
by the surface area, the H2 is exposed to (in order to
seep out and escape). That would include the
chemical-unbounder reaction chamber ... the
pipes/hoses leading from the chamber to the
Even a longer time, if at all. Hydrogen floats on the Helium, which floats
on the rest of the atmosphere.
thx for the various pieces of information as to formation, atmospheric presence,
etc.
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The full-on freedom dudes ... freedom I believe in,
but who are the ones doing the shouting?? THE
CORPORATE GUYS!!
Or their defenders. Yes, it's a gross oversimplification, but I agree somewhat.
As in FREEDOM TO POLLUTE FREEDOM
TO DUMP IN NIMBY (not in my backyard) So you know
what happens??
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I need to contact Steve Spence but I cannot find him. If you are here Steve, it
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Isn't that the Big Tonka Truck that was featured in
some Popular Science Magazine??
Curtis
--- Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its a local Co, here on N coast NSW, Australia. I
bought shares in it. It does look good, preliminary
tests show for things like Garbage trucks, a
phenomonal
I see a pattern ... and I was wondering if any else
does.
The fight between Enviro and Freedom appear to be
disturbingly multiple choice test ... with only two
choices. Full on Enviro .. or Full on Freedom. With
no C: None of the above .. or even blanks to
essay-write your own answers. Only
I'm sorry, I was merely questioning if the detection
of ozone was a laboratory-controlled-experiment ... or
just an observation of smelling ozone while exposing
water to UV (for some other reason). If laboratory
researchers were at the helm of the experiment (doing
a search-for-ozone controlled
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:49, you wrote:
You may be interested to know that an Australian company has
developed hydraulic technology aimed specifically at the transport
industry using this concept.
A hydraulic pump is coupled to the transmission shaft and engaged
when brakes are applied. The
(LOL)
I'm sorry!! At times when I get passionate about
subjects, I use these analogies that (unfortunately)
I assume that everybody understands. And so I kinda
chuckle when heads turn to me ... with huh, whatddya
talking about.
I'm sorry, what I meant was that the position that I
see a lot
Hmmm... that's too bad. As I recall, the Tonka Truck
... truck ... even had it going to the tail shaft
too!!
Curtis
--- Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not sure as I didn't see the article. The unit can be
retro-fitted to existing trucks as it goes into the
tailshaft
Curtis writes:
I'm sorry, what I meant was that the position that I
see a lot of enviromentalists take is for more and
more government regulation. Which ends up becoming
more and more government watching ... to see if we
are complying.
The thing that really irks me is the SELECTIVE nature of
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:15, you wrote:
Isn't that the Big Tonka Truck that was featured in
some Popular Science Magazine??
Curtis
--- Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its a local Co, here on N coast NSW, Australia. I
bought shares in it. It does look good, preliminary
tests show for
Well, that kinda goes along with my (lol)
Soviet-Union mentality (again, LOL).
It's so freaky-weird ... when the watching is so (good
word!) selective. When what gets selected for
watching ... almost strangely seems to be what leads
into the direction of less personal freedom.
Just super
The devices (UV steralizers) I am talking about are used in the aquarium
hobbie, to prevent outbreaks of undesirable algae, and other micro
organisms. The lamps have a quartz sleave them and the water and are sealed
from the outside air to prevent leaks.
So being sealed from the outside air, I
I guess that makes me a commie, pinko, enviro, next set out to
strip all the interstellar nebulae dwellers of their freedom
after my job is done here.
Freedom in a truer sense of the word means not being slave to
timeclocks, credit cards, toys, social status
And then there is being a slave
I guess that makes me a commie, pinko, enviro, next set out to
strip all the interstellar nebulae dwellers of their freedom
after my job is done here.
Freedom in a truer sense of the word means not being slave to
timeclocks, credit cards, toys, social status
And then there is being a slave
Yes, CH4 a solid oxide fuel cell
I was hoping to set up a co-gen with my 40 hp.
Newholland tractor with it's 25KW pto generator in the
mean time--- Keith Addison
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I find it hard to believe that no one has a
set-up
that they are proud of, and would want to show it
Something used or shared jointly by all persons. Often found to
be quickly degraded by excessive abuse and or use, coupled with
little corporate or self-regulation to prevent its decay.
Medieval context and into the late 19th century is generally a
common grazing area for livestock, which
Are you speaking strictly in generalities or are you feeling
paranoid as a result of specifics?
Todd Swearingen
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