Re: [biofuels-biz] OT: San Diego Mexican Fruit Fly Quarantine Situation
Hmm, forgot about the oil content, Sheesh, one man's trash is another's treasure Yes! Now how do we put a stop to the downright silly intermediate step of trashing it in the first place? Keith On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Keith Addison wrote: Interesting that they are just burying the infested fruit?? Why not turn it in to ethanol. Truely is a a shame James Slayden BTW murdoch, you have any contacts in the avocado industry?? ;-) Hi James Ethanol and biodiesel - there's a lot of oil in that fruit, 282 gallons an acre, it says here. Or at least compost it - good composting in the orchards would reduce pest attack anyway. Or even eliminate it. Best Keith On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, murdoch wrote: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20021205-_1mc5spin.html VALLEY CENTER ñ Organic growers inside the expected quarantine area here will be able to fight the Mexican fruit fly with a new variety of a special insecticide, state officials said yesterday. The news was great relief to organic farmers who didn't know how they would be able to keep their certified-organic status while battling the destructive fly. There's been this fear out there that was not going to happen, but that is really good news, said Jerome Stehly, chairman of the California Avocado Commission who owns a grove where the flies and larvae were found. There's a lot of growers in Valley Center who are organic, said Stehly, who also owns 10 acres of organically grown avocados near Interstate 15. It gives them an option so they can take their fruit to market. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20021206-_1mi6mexfl y.html http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/sun/metro/news_1mi1fly.html Organic growers are allowed to use a pesticide called spinosad, but it currently is unavailable because of an oversight by state officials who did not renew its annual registration. That was criminally negligent, Al Stehly said. Now we have one choice and that's malathion. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Conflict-ridden Caspian basin is the world's next Persian Gulf
Hi MM On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:54:56 +0900, you wrote: Interesting to read this four years later. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1998 I remember seeing a video of this situation, on 60 minutes or one of those shows, awhile back. An issue that seems to be in need of discussion, overall, is that if countries do business outside their borders, they should understand the consequences better. Which goes for ALL countries, not just other countries. It seems to be natural resources which often occassion this issue or conflict or problem and it's an issue of political philosophy that I don't hear calmly discussed that much. http://www.worldwatch.org/pubs/paper/162/press.html World Watch- The Anatomy of Resource Wars October 17, 2002 FROM WAR ZONES TO SHOPPING MALLS: New study reveals deadly link between consumer demand and third world resource wars http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=10797 Resource Wars: An Interview with Michael Klare (director of the Five College Program in Peace and World Security Studies at Hampshire College) May 1, 2001 Maybe we hear a debate about the whether it's ok to do business in and with present-day still-Communist Totaltarian China, Have a care, you'll make poor old Karl's bones dance in agitation, disturb the peace at Highgate Cemetery - totalitarian certainly, but it's hardly communist, not since 1978 and the return of Deng. Well, if it ever was. For a short time I think, up to the Great Leap Forward maybe. given their human rights abuses (it is simply impossible not to buy everday items Made In China at Target or other stores these days... or to buy Made In America as a rule). But, obviously, that debate is not enough. No, and the China issue is heavily leaned upon by US business interests, not an open debate. Keith Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] The Revolving Door: Industry and the U.S. Government in Agricultural Trade Negotiations
http://www.foodfirst.org/progs/global/trade/revolvingdoor.html The Revolving Door: Industry and the U.S. Government in Agricultural Trade Negotiations by Peter Rosset Co-director Food First/Institute for Food and Development Policy December 6, 2002 Who negotiates all agriculture trade agreements and policies on behalf of the U.S. government, in venues like the WTO, NAFTA, FTAA, etc.? Ambassador Allen Johnson is the Chief Agricultural Negotiator at the USTR, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (http://www.ustr.gov). As such, he is charged with developing and putting forth the official positions of the U.S. government on agricultural issues in all trade negotiations. In theory, Ambassador Johnson should represent the interests of all Americans -- including family farmers, consumers and the poor -- in these critical negotiations. But his background prior to joining the USTR raises the question of whether he in fact is industry's man on agricultural trade. You can judge for yourself. Prior to joining the USTR, Ambassador Johnson served as the President, and before that, as the Executive Vice President, of the National Oilseed Processors Association, NOPA. To find out about NOPA, you can go to their web page at http://www.nopa.org. There you will find that: NOPA is a member-driven organization representing the U.S. soybean, sunflower, canola, flaxseed and safflower seed crushing industries. NOPA's mission is to assist these industries to be the most competitive and profitable oilseed processing industries in the world and is pro-actively engaged in issues such as international trade policy; environment and resource management; domestic farm programs; and health and safety issues. NOPA's focus is to help facilitate a united industry (e.g., grower, processor and customer) approach to meet the oilseed industry's goals and challenges. NOPA is a very exclusive organization. It has only 13 regular members, who are not people, but corporations. Among them are Archer Daniels Midland, Bunge North America, and Cargill. Among the 20 associate members, also corporations, we find ConAgra, Procter Gamble, Purina, Tyson Foods and Unilever. Oh yes, and Perdue is a regular member. Virtually every major grain trading transnational is represented, as are some of the biggest and most important food processing and factory farming corporations in the world. So who is in the driver's seat on U.S. trade policy with regard to agriculture? Is it any surprise that current trade policies are devastating family farm agriculture inside the U.S. and abroad, and proposed policies currently being negotiated in the WTO, FTAA and elsewhere look to be even worse? Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] OT: San Diego Mexican Fruit Fly Quarantine Situation
Someone needs to come up with an alternative and get the powers that be to believe in it!! ;-) One might also get grants and subsidies as a side benefit also James Slayden On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Keith Addison wrote: Hmm, forgot about the oil content, Sheesh, one man's trash is another's treasure Yes! Now how do we put a stop to the downright silly intermediate step of trashing it in the first place? Keith On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Keith Addison wrote: Interesting that they are just burying the infested fruit?? Why not turn it in to ethanol. Truely is a a shame James Slayden BTW murdoch, you have any contacts in the avocado industry?? ;-) Hi James Ethanol and biodiesel - there's a lot of oil in that fruit, 282 gallons an acre, it says here. Or at least compost it - good composting in the orchards would reduce pest attack anyway. Or even eliminate it. Best Keith On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, murdoch wrote: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20021205-_1mc5spin.html VALLEY CENTER Ò Organic growers inside the expected quarantine area here will be able to fight the Mexican fruit fly with a new variety of a special insecticide, state officials said yesterday. The news was great relief to organic farmers who didn't know how they would be able to keep their certified-organic status while battling the destructive fly. There's been this fear out there that was not going to happen, but that is really good news, said Jerome Stehly, chairman of the California Avocado Commission who owns a grove where the flies and larvae were found. There's a lot of growers in Valley Center who are organic, said Stehly, who also owns 10 acres of organically grown avocados near Interstate 15. It gives them an option so they can take their fruit to market. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20021206-_1mi6mexfl y.html http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/sun/metro/news_1mi1fly.html Organic growers are allowed to use a pesticide called spinosad, but it currently is unavailable because of an oversight by state officials who did not renew its annual registration. That was criminally negligent, Al Stehly said. Now we have one choice and that's malathion. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] OT: San Diego Mexican Fruit Fly Quarantine Situation
Someone needs to come up with an alternative and get the powers that be to believe in it!! ;-) One might also get grants and subsidies as a side benefit also James Slayden Or... how about trashing the powers that be? :-) Hazardous wastes, LOL! Keith On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Keith Addison wrote: Hmm, forgot about the oil content, Sheesh, one man's trash is another's treasure Yes! Now how do we put a stop to the downright silly intermediate step of trashing it in the first place? Keith On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Keith Addison wrote: Interesting that they are just burying the infested fruit?? Why not turn it in to ethanol. Truely is a a shame James Slayden BTW murdoch, you have any contacts in the avocado industry?? ;-) Hi James Ethanol and biodiesel - there's a lot of oil in that fruit, 282 gallons an acre, it says here. Or at least compost it - good composting in the orchards would reduce pest attack anyway. Or even eliminate it. Best Keith On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, murdoch wrote: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20021205-_1mc5spin.html VALLEY CENTER Organic growers inside the expected quarantine area here will be able to fight the Mexican fruit fly with a new variety of a special insecticide, state officials said yesterday. The news was great relief to organic farmers who didn't know how they would be able to keep their certified-organic status while battling the destructive fly. There's been this fear out there that was not going to happen, but that is really good news, said Jerome Stehly, chairman of the California Avocado Commission who owns a grove where the flies and larvae were found. There's a lot of growers in Valley Center who are organic, said Stehly, who also owns 10 acres of organically grown avocados near Interstate 15. It gives them an option so they can take their fruit to market. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20021206-_1mi6mexfl y.html http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/sun/metro/news_1mi1fly.html Organic growers are allowed to use a pesticide called spinosad, but it currently is unavailable because of an oversight by state officials who did not renew its annual registration. That was criminally negligent, Al Stehly said. Now we have one choice and that's malathion. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Pallet Repair Reuse
Keith Can you suggest a bookseller who will do mail order to England. Thanks Norris -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 December 2002 06:57 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Pallet Repair Reuse Sustaining Businesses Jobs through Pallet Repair Reuse by Brenda Platt and Jennifer Hyde 1997, 28 pages - $15.00 ISBN 0-917582-94-2, LC 97-1335 While pallet repair businesses are becoming more common, many pallets are still discarded without repair or salvage. This report lists 31 pallet reuse businesses interested in expanding, and documents jobs through pallet recovery. Profiles of five enterprises detail sources of pallets, repair equipment and process, and more. An appendix lists 193 pallet recovery facilities. View Introduction http://www.ilsr.org/recycling/palletreport.pdf Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Karrick LTC of Coal
An extreme under statement, it is fascinating!!! Hakan At 09:31 PM 12/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: Very interesting http://www.rexresearch.com/karrick/karric%7E1.htm A far superior method exists to manufacture oil from coal. It is a little-known but very attractive, proven method called Low-Temperature Carbonization (LTC). The process was perfected by Lewis C. Karrick, an oil shale technologist at the U.S. Bureau of Mines in the 1920s. LTC is a pyrolysis process that involves heating coal, shale, lignite, or any other carbonaceous material, including garbage) to about 800o F. in the absence of oxygen. Oil is thus distilled from the material, rather than burning as it would if oxygen were present. After treatment by the Karrick process, a ton of coal will yield up to a barrel of oil, 3000 cu. ft. of rich fuel gas, and 1500 lb. of solid smokeless char (semi-coke). The economics of the process are such that the oil is obtained for free! The smokeless char is an excellent substitute for coal in utility boilers, and for coking coal in steel smelters. It yields more heat than raw coal, and it can be converted to water gas. That gas can be converted to oil by the Fischer -Tropsch synthesis-process. The coal gas produced by Karrick-LTC yields more BTUs than natural gas because it contains a greater amount of combined carbon, and there is less dilution of the combustion gases with water vapor. The phenolic wastes are used by the chemical industry as feedstock for working up into plastics, etc.. The process produces no pollutants other than carbon dioxide. Electrical energy can be co-generated at minimal cost, in addition to coal products. A Karrick-LTC plant with a daily capacity of 1000 tons would produce enough steam to generate 100,000 KW-hours of electrical power at no extra cost other than the capital investment in electrical equipment and steam temperature losses in the turbines. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A robot in our midst?
Moderate her out and see what happens. If she doesn't speak up, well, then Hi Jesse Yes, she's (?) under moderation, but no word from her other than more Check-it-out's. Keith --- Jesse Parris | studio53 | 53 maitland rd | stamford, ct 06906 203.324.4371www.jesseparris.com/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:28 PM Subject: [biofuel] A robot in our midst? Talking of hackers, or whatever, does anybody know anything of list member Olivia Trusdale [EMAIL PROTECTED]? snipe Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A robot in our midst?
It sounds like a robot. This is not to say that the articles are poor or that I don't admire the chutzpah of it even if I resent it, but it sounds like a bot. As long as we're on the topic, make sure when you write someone like that (as I'm pretty sure you're aware) that the subject line does not reflect the word biofuel, because some of us have email filters set to filter by subject line, and thus private emails with unchanged subject headings sometimes get filtered into the giant pile. I've tried to change the way I filter, but thus far it hasn't worked. But in this case, it just sounds like a bot, though I guess I was fooled once or twice by her. Thanks MM. So were we all, I guess. I'll see what comes of it, let you know. Keith On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 06:28:07 +0900, you wrote: Talking of hackers, or whatever, does anybody know anything of list member Olivia Trusdale [EMAIL PROTECTED]? A member of other lists too, and she only ever posts news from Grist magazine: Check it out - with a link. Usually it's in response to stuff we've already had, sometimes even the exact article we've just had, and there have been some comments on that. Finally I wrote to her (?) and asked her if she worked for Grist, and didn't that make her a spammer, and put her under moderation, as a possible spammer. No response, but another post saying Check it out. I thought I'd have a response first, so I stopped that post and asked again. No response, so I killed the post (we'd already had it anyway). Another one just arrived, in response to the Caspian oil article I posted. Something odd about it. The link is this: http://www.gristmagazine.com/daily/daily120402.asp#3?source=stealth source=stealth? What's that mean? I subscribe to Daily Grist, so I checked the original - the link to that article (at the BBC) is this: http://www.gristmagazine.com/forward.pl?forward_id=750 I thought Olivia's weird link might be what you get when you use the Grist search engine, so I tried it, but that gives you normal links, no source=stealth. The links in all her messages are like that, without exception. What is going on here? Is this a spam-robot at work? Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A robot in our midst?
Hi Martin Looks like an interesting 'hit-miner' operation. pseudo-spam mailing lists about things targetted to their audience and get people to click on the links? I think so. I'd email the webmaster and ask them. If they're spammers they'd probably lie. I'd quite like to catch them at it. I wondered whether you might know how the ?source=stealth bit in the url works, could be the giveaway. The two links: http://www.gristmagazine.com/daily/daily120402.asp#3?source=stealth http://www.gristmagazine.com/forward.pl?forward_id=750 Keith Addison wrote: I thought Olivia's weird link might be what you get when you use the Grist search engine, so I tried it, but that gives you normal links, no source=stealth. The links in all her messages are like that, without exception. What is going on here? Is this a spam-robot at work? Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Global Diesel Differences
Hello All, I'm looking for a concise description of the differences between European (global if you know) and US diesel fuel (BTU, Sulphur content, refinement processes, etc), exhaust systems (Catalytic converters, emission controls, etc), as well as any other significant combustion and/or emissions differences. I'm trying to put together a complete but digestible description of global diesel usage as well as the reasons for it's notable lack of presence in the US. Thanks, Thom Hello Thom Good for you. Can't help much, but these might be useful: Fuel Lubricity Reviewed, Paul Lacey, Southwest Research Institute, Steve Howell, MARC-IV Consulting, Inc., SAE paper number 982567, International Fall Fuels and Lubricants Meeting and Exposition, October 19-22, 1998, San Francisco, California. Lubricity Benefits http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/Lubricity.PDF Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] The Revolving Door: Industry and the U.S. Government in Agricultural Trade Negotiations
http://www.foodfirst.org/progs/global/trade/revolvingdoor.html The Revolving Door: Industry and the U.S. Government in Agricultural Trade Negotiations by Peter Rosset Co-director Food First/Institute for Food and Development Policy December 6, 2002 Who negotiates all agriculture trade agreements and policies on behalf of the U.S. government, in venues like the WTO, NAFTA, FTAA, etc.? Ambassador Allen Johnson is the Chief Agricultural Negotiator at the USTR, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (http://www.ustr.gov). As such, he is charged with developing and putting forth the official positions of the U.S. government on agricultural issues in all trade negotiations. In theory, Ambassador Johnson should represent the interests of all Americans -- including family farmers, consumers and the poor -- in these critical negotiations. But his background prior to joining the USTR raises the question of whether he in fact is industry's man on agricultural trade. You can judge for yourself. Prior to joining the USTR, Ambassador Johnson served as the President, and before that, as the Executive Vice President, of the National Oilseed Processors Association, NOPA. To find out about NOPA, you can go to their web page at http://www.nopa.org. There you will find that: NOPA is a member-driven organization representing the U.S. soybean, sunflower, canola, flaxseed and safflower seed crushing industries. NOPA's mission is to assist these industries to be the most competitive and profitable oilseed processing industries in the world and is pro-actively engaged in issues such as international trade policy; environment and resource management; domestic farm programs; and health and safety issues. NOPA's focus is to help facilitate a united industry (e.g., grower, processor and customer) approach to meet the oilseed industry's goals and challenges. NOPA is a very exclusive organization. It has only 13 regular members, who are not people, but corporations. Among them are Archer Daniels Midland, Bunge North America, and Cargill. Among the 20 associate members, also corporations, we find ConAgra, Procter Gamble, Purina, Tyson Foods and Unilever. Oh yes, and Perdue is a regular member. Virtually every major grain trading transnational is represented, as are some of the biggest and most important food processing and factory farming corporations in the world. So who is in the driver's seat on U.S. trade policy with regard to agriculture? Is it any surprise that current trade policies are devastating family farm agriculture inside the U.S. and abroad, and proposed policies currently being negotiated in the WTO, FTAA and elsewhere look to be even worse? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A robot in our midst?
please remove me off the mailing list [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The Revolving Door: Industry and the U.S. Government in Agricul...
Keith how do i unsubscribe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A robot in our midst?
I think it means just what it says, they can't get any referer information from someone's email, I guess it is to give statistics on how many hits 'Olivia' stirs up. I don't know the purpose of the forward.pl other than to give themselves inflated hit reports, maybe for advertisers? Keith Addison wrote: If they're spammers they'd probably lie. I'd quite like to catch them at it. I wondered whether you might know how the ?source=stealth bit in the url works, could be the giveaway. The two links: http://www.gristmagazine.com/daily/daily120402.asp#3?source=stealth http://www.gristmagazine.com/forward.pl?forward_id=750 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Global Diesel Differences
I don't really know what I'm talking about, but from a Canadian perspective I think diesel is widely considered a dirty fuel (and it sounds like the truth of this is what you're researching), but also it's hard to start when it's minus 20 degrees, which is a real, if surmountable, problem in this climate - this second point would also apply to some areas in the US. Mike Hello All, I'm looking for a concise description of the differences between European (global if you know) and US diesel fuel (BTU, Sulphur content, refinement processes, etc), exhaust systems (Catalytic converters, emission controls, etc), as well as any other significant combustion and/or emissions differences. I'm trying to put together a complete but digestible description of global diesel usage as well as the reasons for it's notable lack of presence in the US. Thanks, Thom Hello Thom Good for you. Can't help much, but these might be useful: Fuel Lubricity Reviewed, Paul Lacey, Southwest Research Institute, Steve Howell, MARC-IV Consulting, Inc., SAE paper number 982567, International Fall Fuels and Lubricants Meeting and Exposition, October 19-22, 1998, San Francisco, California. Lubricity Benefits http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/Lubricity.PDF Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Global Diesel Differences
Very informatative site, FULL of data, takes some time to read it all: http://www.energy.gov/world/index.html Hello All, I'm looking for a concise description of the differences between European (global if you know) and US diesel fuel (BTU, Sulphur content, refinement processes, etc), exhaust systems (Catalytic converters, emission controls, etc), as well as any other significant combustion and/or emissions differences. I'm trying to put together a complete but digestible description of global diesel usage as well as the reasons for it's notable lack of presence in the US. Thanks, Thom Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:Virus protection was: WARNING! - enemy action by Yahoo
LINUX! virus free. As much as we need to bail on modern fuels we need to bail on micro$oft... Ken - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 2:51 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re:Virus protection was: WARNING! - enemy action by Yahoo Hackers are people who breaks the security and get access to a computer system. Most of them do not make destructive viruses but some use the virus to plant Trojans. Virus developers are destructive criminals. Both hackers and virus producers should be pursued legally and not only get a sufficient jail term, also be made financially responsible for damages. I am running windows 2000 with Norton virus protection and it works fine with me. I am using Eudora mail client and do not allow for any automatic execution. It is important to use a mail client that are supported by the anti virus software. Norton analyzes all incoming mails and the last years my system have been clean, when I do the weekly scan of my 2x20 Gb disks. I scan for viruses one night a week and it takes around 8 hours to do so. The Norton software is not expensive and Eudora has a free version alternative. I have a couple of other computers for use of others and had some problems on those. I also helped friends to set up security privately and for their companies. It is several times that I have fixed infected computers, that also had anti virus software. Some of this anti-virus software is not updated fast enough and some actually hangs the system. That is why I run a non mainstream mail client and Norton who I found have less problems than other virus software. I always tell people not to open any attachments unless they are that are not known to be OK, even if they have a good protected system. Curiosity is very dangerous. Hakan At 01:39 AM 12/8/2002 -0800, you wrote: On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:43:32 +0900, you wrote: Hi MM Thanks for this. We do at the moment have a member apparently in India with a virus that's picking members' names out of his address book and sending itself to people, with false sender names of other list members. It's impossible to find out who he is from the information that's available. I may have tracked down his ISP but all I can get out of them so far is an auto-response. I guess it happens all the time, I just happen to know of this one. A problem is that so many users know so little about using their machines and simply don't know about virus gear and how to keep it updated. That seems amazing but it's true. PS: I suppose going forward you could require new members to show evidence of non-use of one of the offending email clients (Outlook, Outlook Express, Netscape, whatever), by sending an email with header info that would indicate this. And-or you could post a link on the signup area to alternative email clients for Windows users. http://www.tucows.com/mail95_default.html Looking these over, though, there are several hazardous ones in there (possibly using the inbuilt address book). Mine isn't listed because its known as a free intergrated usenet reader. I guess maybe you could list Pegasus and agent.99 as two free email clients, if you didn't want to confuse people with a huge list. I don't know if Pegasus has an address book that is vulnerable. As I look at mine, unfortunately, the free version does not seem to support email, only usenet: http://www.forteinc.com/agent/features.php So, that is not an answer as to the zero-cost way to wean windows users from damaging email clients. Agent looks like it's $29.00 Anyway, I don't mean to suggest work for you, but if one is the moderator of a mail list and if this Outlook issue is still causing work, then maybe discouragement of using it would save work. Funny, but I heard on a retreat last year Gates had come back with the notion that security was going to be a big focus of the company. Guess they haven't quite solved it all yet. But this failure isn't as much of a mystery to me because I had the benefit of a conversation with a hacker 6 years ago about this, and he was quite clear that he doubted some of Windows Security problems *could* ever be solved, given its architecture. I've seldom seen him so tickled-pink, so content, when he was sitting there chuckling, foreseeing how MS would try to solve this or that and it just wouldn't do any good because putting that finger in the dike just wasn't going to stop the water from coming. For some reason, the contemplation of the possibility of this happening and MS's misery at that point just seemed to make him sort of quiet and content and satisfied. Maybe he thought, for some reason, they deserved a bit of misery? I don't know about WinXP because that's based on NT, not on DOS. I didn't upgrade to it because I didn't want to lose the functionality of some
[biofuel] Biox Process
Hi I read an article in a Canadian trucking magazine about biodiesel. It mentioned a company called Biox Inc http://www.bioxcorp.com/ . This company, started by a University of Toronto professor claims it has developed a process that can convert oil to biodiesel for $0.08 a litre. I do not know if this is in Canadian currency or American currency. Has anybody heard of this new process. Stan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A robot in our midst?
1.The first link serves stealth to an asp script in the page, but does not seem to have any meaning. Maybe if you go trough the code more, you can see if they do anything with the input. A quick glance did not reveal anything and I did not want to spend too much time on it. 2. The other link get you to a pearl script who redirects you to an other server. in this case http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2540321.stm the number 750 is the link or can be an combination of link and id. Since it does not display any return to Grist etc. it does not seems to have any other purpose than serving the information. Hard to see the value for Grist. If it is a bot, it is not very smart way to do this things. Number 2 does not have any real meaning in this sense. I am not sure of what this really is. It could be a way to automatically mail info to lists and in this case it is a mailing program that must categorize news and then send it to lists that match the category. As long as this is good information, I cannot see the harm in doing it. Would it be a useless spamming, it is another thing. Since link 2 does not force anyone to actually visit the Grist site or actually solicit anything. Hakan At 10:07 AM 12/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: I think it means just what it says, they can't get any referer information from someone's email, I guess it is to give statistics on how many hits 'Olivia' stirs up. I don't know the purpose of the forward.pl other than to give themselves inflated hit reports, maybe for advertisers? Keith Addison wrote: If they're spammers they'd probably lie. I'd quite like to catch them at it. I wondered whether you might know how the ?source=stealth bit in the url works, could be the giveaway. The two links: http://www.gristmagazine.com/daily/daily120402.asp#3?source=stealth http://www.gristmagazine.com/forward.pl?forward_id=750 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Where?? Was: Somebody hacked KHVH - Honolulu
Hm... Curtis Originally from HI (born/raised) Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.khvh.com/ 1010110 1110101 1001100 1010100 1110101 1010010 110011 - Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Karrick LTC of Coal
Interesting reading? NOT ! Absolutely fantastic reading! I wonder if a small farm or home scale plant could be made. Greg H. - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@Yahoogroups.Com (E-mail) biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 21:31 Subject: [biofuel] Karrick LTC of Coal Very interesting http://www.rexresearch.com/karrick/karric%7E1.htm A far superior method exists to manufacture oil from coal. It is a little-known but very attractive, proven method called Low-Temperature Carbonization (LTC). The process was perfected by Lewis C. Karrick, an oil shale technologist at the U.S. Bureau of Mines in the 1920s. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bio fuel business-Tables
Hi Hakan Hi Keith, I like to give it a final round and then try to write something and like a response. Also to give some more people opportunity to input. I thought that this subject was important and worth an attempt. But to get everybody involved, hackers seems to be more interesting and I see nothing wrong in this, but. Everything's interesting! Life's too short. At 04:41 AM 12/10/2002 +0900, you wrote: Hi Hakan Keith, First I want to tell you that any loss of power in todays vehicles in my mind does very little change. I have a licence to drive anything on wheels and the practical experiences that it implies. During my life time I have been driving around 3,000,000 km in almost any vehicles that you can imagine. Me too, anything from a bulldozer to a Dassault Mirage, two wheels, four, as many as you like or none at all. Okay, I only flew a Mirage once. :-) That means that you also have a very pragmatic view about vehicles. I only had a Cessna Cardinal and flew it around 400 hours, never piloted a jet and never even got the possibility to get in a jet fighter as passenger -:( . Well, it sure was fun for a couple of hours, but I'd've preferred a Cessna, a lot more useful. At 61, I think I have to give up that dream, because of the G-forces. Same goes for 57. Even small aerobatic plane as passenger, feels uncomfortable now, age I guess. I tried one of those modern roller coasters last summer and got severe neck pain from it, rheumatic problems or what it is called in English when your bone structure starts to degrade, I am 2 centimeter shorter now. :-( Not, however, only one wheel. Little Japanese kids learn to ride unicycles, it's quite a common sight to see them spinning round the place on their one-wheelers, I'm filled with envy. They look incredibly cool. (I know when I'm beaten.) me too. With top speed limits between 55 to 85 miles per hour, most of current automobiles capacity has other values than pure and fast transportation. It is only in Germany that you have no speed limit and this is on a very low percentage of their roads. To talk about power loss in modern automobiles of around 10% does not really relate to any loss of efficiency in transportation. Talking about quantity used, have a direct relation to fuel produced. Therefore I am thinking more in fuel consumption than in power losses. You're right about the power loss, doesn't matter. Anyway, you still have the loss in fuel consumption, of up to 13%. Plus the 20% alcohol used in biodiesel (unless you recover, leaving average 13%), and the savings of being able to use 160-proof ethanol. I don't know how it compares, but these factors are not accounted for in the usual comparisons. When I was driving on biodiesel in Europe, I did not see any higher consumption in my cars. Seems to be there though, lots of reports, 10% higher or lower. Now when I was driving a VW Gol in Brazil the higher consumption compared with my wife's VW Golf was very noticeable. My wife's car is 4 years old and the Brazilian new, but I think that they are somewhat delayed in versions in Brazil and that it is comparable. Compared with a new Golf in Europe, it was very much higher consumption, nearly 100%. At 11:49 PM 12/7/2002 +0900, you wrote: Hi Hakan snip Possible bi-products: The same as for previous point. Veg. oil do opens up for a larger number of replacement applications, among those are many in the lubrication field. The main by-product of each is stockfeed - DDG and seedcake, not much to choose between them. When I say byproducts, it is not only the stockfeed - DDG and seedcake. It is also the lubricant applications http://www.greenoil-online.com/hydraulc.html samples as Steve gave link to. http://www.carbohydrateeconomy.org/ceic/library/admin/uploadedfiles/H ow_Much_Energy_Does_it_Take_to_Make_a_Gallon_.html carefully and it says about Btu per gallon, Corn based, Industry average : net energy gain = (energy ethanol) 81,400 + (energy undefined co-products) 27,579 - (used energy) 81,090 = 30,589 (38% gain) Corn based, Industry best : net energy gain = (energy ethanol) 81,400 + (energy undefined co-products) 36,261 - (used energy) 57,504 = 62,857 (109% gain) Corn based, State of the Art Industry : net energy gain = (energy ethanol) 81,400 + (energy undefined co-products) 36,261 - (used energy) 47,948 = 62,857 (151% gain) Cellulose based, Industry : net energy gain = (energy ethanol) 81,400 + (energy undefined co-products) 115,400 - (used energy) 76,093 = 122,407 (162% gain) What are the co-products? Do they go in the tank? How do you use Gluten meal, Protein feed and Carbon dioxide in the tank? Why would you need to? You can, if you like, feed it (with great gain on the original
[biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition
This isn't very authoritative - not much detail, no references to support it. Anyone know any more about this? Best Keith http://crrh.org/cannabis/biodiesel.html Biodiesel We believe that the main reason hemp is illegal today is because of biodiesel's potential. The first diesel engines (by Rudolph Diesel in 1894) were invented to run on hempseed oil; petroleum wasn't synthesized to mimic hempseed oil for over a decade. Therefore hempseed oil was the primary fuel for automobiles for over 30 years after the invention of the first internal combustion engine. Entry into the biodiesel market has very low capital entry requirements and is, therefore, not centralized. Among the benefits of using biodiesel: Start an economic boom! Use vegetable seed oil (biodiesel). Run any diesel engine with no engine conversion at all. Make biodiesel from hemp, soybean, rapeseed/canola and safflower seed oil Save family farms. Return economic control to the people! Naturally decentralize wealth. Stop global warming. Stop A lot of toxic pollution. Create a useful byproduct: food. Petroleum is Out of Balance; Biodiesel is Sustainable and In Balance. In comparison, petroleum is capital intensive and, therefore, centralized. To maintain market share, the petroleum industries wanted to prohibit hemp. See a video in Hemp TV showing lies they used to protect petroleum and other capital intensive industries. http://crrh.org/cannabis/petroleum.html CRRH: Petroleum is capital intensive and pollutes. Use vegetable oil, biodeisel! Petroleum is Capital Intensive It takes Hundreds of Millions of Dollars to Locate and Pump Petroleum out of the Earth. It takes Tens of Billions of Dollars to Build and Operate a Facility to Refine Petroleum. Facts about Oil Refineries and Your Health: * Oil refineries dump thousands of pounds of toxic chemicals into communities every day! * Many toxic chemicals released by refineries into the environment cause cancer, birth defects, and serious health problems. * Odors from refineries can be more than a nuisance, such as hydrogen sulfide, which can cause serious health impacts or death. * Leaks in equipment, oil spills and flares can dump dangerous pollution anywhere. We don't have to use petroleum. Biodiesel is the solution! Brought to you by the Campaign for the Restoration and Regulation of Hemp (CRRH), working to restore the plant that produces more fiber, protein and oil than any other plant on our planet. Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition Popularizing an obscure Mexican slang word, these powerful interests -- including William Randolph Hearst (the namesake of yellow journalism), who had bought up entire forests for his vast chain of newspapers -- orchestrated a nationwide campaign that played on racism and wildly lurid and inaccurate reports in order to prohibit hemp. They said that a deadly new drug called marijuana caused users to go insane and uncontrollably kill their family and friends. We call that misinformation campaign Reefer Madness (click here to see a Hemp TV clip from the movie), after a 1938 movie popularizing this hoax. The basis of marijuana prohibition is filled with lies and overt racism. Everyone knew what hemp was, but very few understood that marijuana was hemp when it was prohibited in 1937. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition
I remember reading Diesels original goal was an engine to run on powdered coal. Kirk I think so. He couldn't get it to work right though IIRC. I'm trying to find out more about the relationship between hemp fuel and the crackdown on cannabis. Keith -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:17 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition This isn't very authoritative - not much detail, no references to support it. Anyone know any more about this? Best Keith http://crrh.org/cannabis/biodiesel.html Biodiesel We believe that the main reason hemp is illegal today is because of biodiesel's potential. The first diesel engines (by Rudolph Diesel in 1894) were invented to run on hempseed oil; petroleum wasn't synthesized to mimic hempseed oil for over a decade. Therefore hempseed oil was the primary fuel for automobiles for over 30 years after the invention of the first internal combustion engine. Entry into the biodiesel market has very low capital entry requirements and is, therefore, not centralized. Among the benefits of using biodiesel: Start an economic boom! Use vegetable seed oil (biodiesel). Run any diesel engine with no engine conversion at all. Make biodiesel from hemp, soybean, rapeseed/canola and safflower seed oil Save family farms. Return economic control to the people! Naturally decentralize wealth. Stop global warming. Stop A lot of toxic pollution. Create a useful byproduct: food. Petroleum is Out of Balance; Biodiesel is Sustainable and In Balance. In comparison, petroleum is capital intensive and, therefore, centralized. To maintain market share, the petroleum industries wanted to prohibit hemp. See a video in Hemp TV showing lies they used to protect petroleum and other capital intensive industries. http://crrh.org/cannabis/petroleum.html CRRH: Petroleum is capital intensive and pollutes. Use vegetable oil, biodeisel! Petroleum is Capital Intensive It takes Hundreds of Millions of Dollars to Locate and Pump Petroleum out of the Earth. It takes Tens of Billions of Dollars to Build and Operate a Facility to Refine Petroleum. Facts about Oil Refineries and Your Health: * Oil refineries dump thousands of pounds of toxic chemicals into communities every day! * Many toxic chemicals released by refineries into the environment cause cancer, birth defects, and serious health problems. * Odors from refineries can be more than a nuisance, such as hydrogen sulfide, which can cause serious health impacts or death. * Leaks in equipment, oil spills and flares can dump dangerous pollution anywhere. We don't have to use petroleum. Biodiesel is the solution! Brought to you by the Campaign for the Restoration and Regulation of Hemp (CRRH), working to restore the plant that produces more fiber, protein and oil than any other plant on our planet. Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition Popularizing an obscure Mexican slang word, these powerful interests -- including William Randolph Hearst (the namesake of yellow journalism), who had bought up entire forests for his vast chain of newspapers -- orchestrated a nationwide campaign that played on racism and wildly lurid and inaccurate reports in order to prohibit hemp. They said that a deadly new drug called marijuana caused users to go insane and uncontrollably kill their family and friends. We call that misinformation campaign Reefer Madness (click here to see a Hemp TV clip from the movie), after a 1938 movie popularizing this hoax. The basis of marijuana prohibition is filled with lies and overt racism. Everyone knew what hemp was, but very few understood that marijuana was hemp when it was prohibited in 1937. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition
I remember reading Diesels original goal was an engine to run on powdered coal. Kirk -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:17 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition This isn't very authoritative - not much detail, no references to support it. Anyone know any more about this? Best Keith http://crrh.org/cannabis/biodiesel.html Biodiesel We believe that the main reason hemp is illegal today is because of biodiesel's potential. The first diesel engines (by Rudolph Diesel in 1894) were invented to run on hempseed oil; petroleum wasn't synthesized to mimic hempseed oil for over a decade. Therefore hempseed oil was the primary fuel for automobiles for over 30 years after the invention of the first internal combustion engine. Entry into the biodiesel market has very low capital entry requirements and is, therefore, not centralized. Among the benefits of using biodiesel: Start an economic boom! Use vegetable seed oil (biodiesel). Run any diesel engine with no engine conversion at all. Make biodiesel from hemp, soybean, rapeseed/canola and safflower seed oil Save family farms. Return economic control to the people! Naturally decentralize wealth. Stop global warming. Stop A lot of toxic pollution. Create a useful byproduct: food. Petroleum is Out of Balance; Biodiesel is Sustainable and In Balance. In comparison, petroleum is capital intensive and, therefore, centralized. To maintain market share, the petroleum industries wanted to prohibit hemp. See a video in Hemp TV showing lies they used to protect petroleum and other capital intensive industries. http://crrh.org/cannabis/petroleum.html CRRH: Petroleum is capital intensive and pollutes. Use vegetable oil, biodeisel! Petroleum is Capital Intensive It takes Hundreds of Millions of Dollars to Locate and Pump Petroleum out of the Earth. It takes Tens of Billions of Dollars to Build and Operate a Facility to Refine Petroleum. Facts about Oil Refineries and Your Health: * Oil refineries dump thousands of pounds of toxic chemicals into communities every day! * Many toxic chemicals released by refineries into the environment cause cancer, birth defects, and serious health problems. * Odors from refineries can be more than a nuisance, such as hydrogen sulfide, which can cause serious health impacts or death. * Leaks in equipment, oil spills and flares can dump dangerous pollution anywhere. We don't have to use petroleum. Biodiesel is the solution! Brought to you by the Campaign for the Restoration and Regulation of Hemp (CRRH), working to restore the plant that produces more fiber, protein and oil than any other plant on our planet. Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition Popularizing an obscure Mexican slang word, these powerful interests -- including William Randolph Hearst (the namesake of yellow journalism), who had bought up entire forests for his vast chain of newspapers -- orchestrated a nationwide campaign that played on racism and wildly lurid and inaccurate reports in order to prohibit hemp. They said that a deadly new drug called marijuana caused users to go insane and uncontrollably kill their family and friends. We call that misinformation campaign Reefer Madness (click here to see a Hemp TV clip from the movie), after a 1938 movie popularizing this hoax. The basis of marijuana prohibition is filled with lies and overt racism. Everyone knew what hemp was, but very few understood that marijuana was hemp when it was prohibited in 1937. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/2002 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biox Process
Hi I read an article in a Canadian trucking magazine about biodiesel. It mentioned a company called Biox Inc http://www.bioxcorp.com/ . This company, started by a University of Toronto professor claims it has developed a process that can convert oil to biodiesel for $0.08 a litre. I do not know if this is in Canadian currency or American currency. Has anybody heard of this new process. Stan Not new, and not very interesting, despite all the noise they make. Prof's name is Boocock. There's been a lot about it in the archives, amounting to a fairly thorough debunking. This is the main message: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=16230list=BIOFUEL The archive is here: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Search for Biox and or Boocock. Anyway, their price claims aren't true - even if they do produce the stuff, other producers also produce it at that price, and to standard spec as well, which is probably more than Biox manages to do. It's a no-no. Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biox Process
I visited the website and found nothing to discern between their process or the methoxide method. The only thing I did see that says anything regarding their process is that it is done at normal atmosheric pressure. 8 cents a liter is nearly attainable with the regular methoxide method (using waste oil) and doing large bulk purchases of materials. Methanol is available at 1.25 (US) per gallon retail and bulk purchases of NaOH would put the price in the 35 cents(US) per gallon range. methanol(Inianapolis): http://ims.brickyard.com/press/1999/fuel-020299.php3 NaOH: http://www.riccachemical.com/catalog/bulk.asp __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition
Anslinger was financed by the Brewers Association of America. They financed Reefer Madness I think. DuPont and another was in there for paint oils as I recall. Then fiber. Hemp pants wear like iron. Kirk -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:58 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition I remember reading Diesels original goal was an engine to run on powdered coal. Kirk I think so. He couldn't get it to work right though IIRC. I'm trying to find out more about the relationship between hemp fuel and the crackdown on cannabis. Keith -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:17 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition This isn't very authoritative - not much detail, no references to support it. Anyone know any more about this? Best Keith http://crrh.org/cannabis/biodiesel.html Biodiesel We believe that the main reason hemp is illegal today is because of biodiesel's potential. The first diesel engines (by Rudolph Diesel in 1894) were invented to run on hempseed oil; petroleum wasn't synthesized to mimic hempseed oil for over a decade. Therefore hempseed oil was the primary fuel for automobiles for over 30 years after the invention of the first internal combustion engine. Entry into the biodiesel market has very low capital entry requirements and is, therefore, not centralized. Among the benefits of using biodiesel: Start an economic boom! Use vegetable seed oil (biodiesel). Run any diesel engine with no engine conversion at all. Make biodiesel from hemp, soybean, rapeseed/canola and safflower seed oil Save family farms. Return economic control to the people! Naturally decentralize wealth. Stop global warming. Stop A lot of toxic pollution. Create a useful byproduct: food. Petroleum is Out of Balance; Biodiesel is Sustainable and In Balance. In comparison, petroleum is capital intensive and, therefore, centralized. To maintain market share, the petroleum industries wanted to prohibit hemp. See a video in Hemp TV showing lies they used to protect petroleum and other capital intensive industries. http://crrh.org/cannabis/petroleum.html CRRH: Petroleum is capital intensive and pollutes. Use vegetable oil, biodeisel! Petroleum is Capital Intensive It takes Hundreds of Millions of Dollars to Locate and Pump Petroleum out of the Earth. It takes Tens of Billions of Dollars to Build and Operate a Facility to Refine Petroleum. Facts about Oil Refineries and Your Health: * Oil refineries dump thousands of pounds of toxic chemicals into communities every day! * Many toxic chemicals released by refineries into the environment cause cancer, birth defects, and serious health problems. * Odors from refineries can be more than a nuisance, such as hydrogen sulfide, which can cause serious health impacts or death. * Leaks in equipment, oil spills and flares can dump dangerous pollution anywhere. We don't have to use petroleum. Biodiesel is the solution! Brought to you by the Campaign for the Restoration and Regulation of Hemp (CRRH), working to restore the plant that produces more fiber, protein and oil than any other plant on our planet. Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition Popularizing an obscure Mexican slang word, these powerful interests -- including William Randolph Hearst (the namesake of yellow journalism), who had bought up entire forests for his vast chain of newspapers -- orchestrated a nationwide campaign that played on racism and wildly lurid and inaccurate reports in order to prohibit hemp. They said that a deadly new drug called marijuana caused users to go insane and uncontrollably kill their family and friends. We call that misinformation campaign Reefer Madness (click here to see a Hemp TV clip from the movie), after a 1938 movie popularizing this hoax. The basis of marijuana prohibition is filled with lies and overt racism. Everyone knew what hemp was, but very few understood that marijuana was hemp when it was prohibited in 1937. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/2002 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition
I'm currently constructing a website to address this very issuewith so much documentation, your head will spin But in short...yes, Rudolph Diesel had hempseed oil in mind when developing his engine As an aside, Henry Ford also was a big supporter of hemp- biodeisel. In 1940 he constructed an entire automobile(save for engine and chasis) from hemp plastics and ran it on hemp fuel... At 10:59 AM 12/10/02 -0700, kirk wrote: I remember reading Diesels original goal was an engine to run on powdered coal. Kirk -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:17 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition This isn't very authoritative - not much detail, no references to support it. Anyone know any more about this? Best Keith http://crrh.org/cannabis/biodiesel.html Biodiesel We believe that the main reason hemp is illegal today is because of biodiesel's potential. The first diesel engines (by Rudolph Diesel in 1894) were invented to run on hempseed oil; petroleum wasn't synthesized to mimic hempseed oil for over a decade. Therefore hempseed oil was the primary fuel for automobiles for over 30 years after the invention of the first internal combustion engine. Entry into the biodiesel market has very low capital entry requirements and is, therefore, not centralized. Among the benefits of using biodiesel: Start an economic boom! Use vegetable seed oil (biodiesel). Run any diesel engine with no engine conversion at all. Make biodiesel from hemp, soybean, rapeseed/canola and safflower seed oil Save family farms. Return economic control to the people! Naturally decentralize wealth. Stop global warming. Stop A lot of toxic pollution. Create a useful byproduct: food. Petroleum is Out of Balance; Biodiesel is Sustainable and In Balance. In comparison, petroleum is capital intensive and, therefore, centralized. To maintain market share, the petroleum industries wanted to prohibit hemp. See a video in Hemp TV showing lies they used to protect petroleum and other capital intensive industries. http://crrh.org/cannabis/petroleum.html CRRH: Petroleum is capital intensive and pollutes. Use vegetable oil, biodeisel! Petroleum is Capital Intensive It takes Hundreds of Millions of Dollars to Locate and Pump Petroleum out of the Earth. It takes Tens of Billions of Dollars to Build and Operate a Facility to Refine Petroleum. Facts about Oil Refineries and Your Health: * Oil refineries dump thousands of pounds of toxic chemicals into communities every day! * Many toxic chemicals released by refineries into the environment cause cancer, birth defects, and serious health problems. * Odors from refineries can be more than a nuisance, such as hydrogen sulfide, which can cause serious health impacts or death. * Leaks in equipment, oil spills and flares can dump dangerous pollution anywhere. We don't have to use petroleum. Biodiesel is the solution! Brought to you by the Campaign for the Restoration and Regulation of Hemp (CRRH), working to restore the plant that produces more fiber, protein and oil than any other plant on our planet. Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition Popularizing an obscure Mexican slang word, these powerful interests -- including William Randolph Hearst (the namesake of yellow journalism), who had bought up entire forests for his vast chain of newspapers -- orchestrated a nationwide campaign that played on racism and wildly lurid and inaccurate reports in order to prohibit hemp. They said that a deadly new drug called marijuana caused users to go insane and uncontrollably kill their family and friends. We call that misinformation campaign Reefer Madness (click here to see a Hemp TV clip from the movie), after a 1938 movie popularizing this hoax. The basis of marijuana prohibition is filled with lies and overt racism. Everyone knew what hemp was, but very few understood that marijuana was hemp when it was prohibited in 1937. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/2002 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date:
RE: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition
I've read that when Diesel invented his engine, his intent was to use SVO as fuel. I also read that Rockefeller, Getty, and the boys were having a hard time getting farmers to sign oil leases, because the farmers could make more money from hemp. I'm sorry that I don't remember the sources, I'll try to find some references on the Web. kris __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:Virus protection
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:09:34 -0800, you wrote: LINUX! virus free. As much as we need to bail on modern fuels we need to bail on micro$oft... Ken Well, I can agree with some of this anti-MS feeling, if only because I don't like to give all my business to a place that over-charges and sometimes hasn't delivered, and does other things I don't like. But: the only time I've lost all my data, since 13 years ago when I first bought a computer and wiped out a few times, was a couple of years ago when I decided to get Linux, tried to load it on a hard drive alongside windows, and messed up in a couple of stupid ways. One of the reasons I didn't have proper backup is that backing up in Windows, spanning several CD roms and so forth did not seem that easy. To this day, I have had to go to some lengths to install some decent backup option, well outside the MS default backup utilities. I got the bug to try Linux when I finally got an attempted virus infection perportedly from Islamic Jihad or some such, (about a 6-12 mos. I think before the stuff hit the fan). In any case, my point is that I agree with the general sentiment of trying to get off the MS merry-go-round and I do recommend Star Office for that, but for changing OS's, I'd counsel caution and at least a good backup. Linux people are enthusiastic and have a good OS to recommend (from what I hear) but are not likely to help a non-professional windows user fully appreciate all of the hazards and problems that can come up. Since used computers seem to be a robust and affordable option in my local paper, I'm thinking the next time I can just buy one of them, install an alternate OS, and then not have to mess with this concept of more than one OS on a hard drive unless it's a non-essential hard-drive. MM Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The big picture
it isn't everyone, not by a very long way, nor ever will be. When you have a closer look, maybe it's not quite like that even with the slaves. Some people talk of sheeple. Fine critters, sheep, and not that dumb either (Judas goats notwithstanding). I always find that rather patronizing and arrogant. (No, I'm not accusing you of that at all.) I find myself asking, What makes you think you're so different? FWIW: I fit not completely distant from Curtis's definition of a slave, financially, (with a couple of twists) and I also view myself as a hacker, by a broad definition insofar as hacking can, in some slang, mean more than hacking via programming or via computer, and it can mean more than trying to mess with some one person or company's private affairs and-or more than doing anything illegal. It's not something I'd expect others to agree with, I just see myself that way sometimes. that the opposite works even better - appealing to the best in people very often brings it out, and you don't go broke doing it either, not necessarily. I do agree with this, it's just tough to get to and find the spot to do it, and to figure out what it is to appeal to and how to do it. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] spline adapters
does anyone know where to find adapters that fit splined shafts . the sizes are (1 1/4 x 24T) ;( 7/8 x16T ); (1 3/8 x27T). they seem to be odd sizes, for the local shops. Robert Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Linux Was: Virus protection
I've played with Linux a few times. My only opinion is that YES, Linux is a good OS ... a damn good one no less. It does what probably is the only thing Windows can't do very well. Be an Operating System. In that respect ... Linux is good. However, the current problem with Linux is that of Application Support. Kinda like the way DOS and Windows 3.11 is now. How many DOS/3.11 applications are there out there?? I mean, currently?? Another problem is Hardware support. When you buy a product, you see a Windows driver floppy/CD. Where is the Linux one?? There are... but not many. Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] but for changing OS's, I'd counsel caution and at least a good backup. Linux people are enthusiastic and have a good OS to recommend (from what I hear) but are not likely to help a non-professional windows user fully appreciate all of the hazards and problems that can come up. Since used computers seem to be a robust and affordable option in my local paper, I'm thinking the next time I can just buy one of them, install an alternate OS, and then not have to mess with this concept of more than one OS on a hard drive unless it's a non-essential hard-drive. - Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition
On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:16:42 +0900, you wrote: This isn't very authoritative - not much detail, no references to support it. Anyone know any more about this? Best Keith Short answer: I don't know any more about it, but do not dismiss it entirely out of hand, as a partial explanation. I doubt that it is the only reason Hemp is so irrationally criminalized in the U.S. Long Answer: Regardless of any given theory for the underlying real reasons Hemp is excluded from legalized commerce in the states, it's something that irks me. When I was deciding as to which issues to really settle in on and research and focus on, in a narrower way, for things that would make for good discussion and activism (i.e., my hacking), opposing the Drug War was on my short list, but I ultimately chose some other areas. I think that U.S. exportation of our War On Drugs (i.e., our War on U.S. Citizens, Entrepeneurs and Citizens of other countries) is one of the most powerful examples anyone could name of horrific unjust slimy US Policy, not only domestic policy but Foreign as well. We have exported Hate, Destruction, Death, Black Marketeering, non-free markets (in any real sense) and anti-entrepeneurialism, while at the same time sending our dollars abroad to buy the drugs we preach must be stamped out. It is sickening to me that we have done this, helped bring Caponeism for example to Columbia and Baja California, and I can only console myself that it is not the only thing the U.S. has done, that my country has some good that it has done and tried to do, and that while the Drug War is one of the great-untalked-abouts and great-injustices, it is not the sole defining characteristic of my country. At least, that is my opinion. I am in a bit of a hurry today and hope that I am not putting things overly strongly. The prevention of production and trade of Hemp is only perhaps the most obviously stupid thing here, because even if one things that bad drugs should be made illegal, the benefits of Hemp are so obvious, and the fact that it generally is not the same strain (I guess is more or less the right way to put it) as the plant which is grown for its narcotic effect, that there's sort of this dichotomy where everyone sort of agrees that even if we keep the drug war in place, the war on Hemp is in the eyes of some, less justifiable. I've heard it said that part of what makes U.S. paper currency unique is that hemp is used in the paper, but I'm not sure if this is true. Maybe the whole matter, the whole giant friggin hypocrisy of it all, makes me so upset that I decided to focus on less upsetting things like the needless throwing away of American Economy and Policy Independence to those who have zero interest in a sustainable future for any decent values, economies, societies, or whatever, particular to those whose focus is to prevent progress in energy technologies. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition
yes, diesel used peanut oil. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kris Book [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 2:26 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition I've read that when Diesel invented his engine, his intent was to use SVO as fuel. I also read that Rockefeller, Getty, and the boys were having a hard time getting farmers to sign oil leases, because the farmers could make more money from hemp. I'm sorry that I don't remember the sources, I'll try to find some references on the Web. kris __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition
powdered coal was his original intent. it was publicly run at the worlds fair on peanut oil. I have found no evidence that hemp was ever considered, especially considering the low oil content of hemp. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition I remember reading Diesels original goal was an engine to run on powdered coal. Kirk -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:17 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition This isn't very authoritative - not much detail, no references to support it. Anyone know any more about this? Best Keith http://crrh.org/cannabis/biodiesel.html Biodiesel We believe that the main reason hemp is illegal today is because of biodiesel's potential. The first diesel engines (by Rudolph Diesel in 1894) were invented to run on hempseed oil; petroleum wasn't synthesized to mimic hempseed oil for over a decade. Therefore hempseed oil was the primary fuel for automobiles for over 30 years after the invention of the first internal combustion engine. Entry into the biodiesel market has very low capital entry requirements and is, therefore, not centralized. Among the benefits of using biodiesel: Start an economic boom! Use vegetable seed oil (biodiesel). Run any diesel engine with no engine conversion at all. Make biodiesel from hemp, soybean, rapeseed/canola and safflower seed oil Save family farms. Return economic control to the people! Naturally decentralize wealth. Stop global warming. Stop A lot of toxic pollution. Create a useful byproduct: food. Petroleum is Out of Balance; Biodiesel is Sustainable and In Balance. In comparison, petroleum is capital intensive and, therefore, centralized. To maintain market share, the petroleum industries wanted to prohibit hemp. See a video in Hemp TV showing lies they used to protect petroleum and other capital intensive industries. http://crrh.org/cannabis/petroleum.html CRRH: Petroleum is capital intensive and pollutes. Use vegetable oil, biodeisel! Petroleum is Capital Intensive It takes Hundreds of Millions of Dollars to Locate and Pump Petroleum out of the Earth. It takes Tens of Billions of Dollars to Build and Operate a Facility to Refine Petroleum. Facts about Oil Refineries and Your Health: * Oil refineries dump thousands of pounds of toxic chemicals into communities every day! * Many toxic chemicals released by refineries into the environment cause cancer, birth defects, and serious health problems. * Odors from refineries can be more than a nuisance, such as hydrogen sulfide, which can cause serious health impacts or death. * Leaks in equipment, oil spills and flares can dump dangerous pollution anywhere. We don't have to use petroleum. Biodiesel is the solution! Brought to you by the Campaign for the Restoration and Regulation of Hemp (CRRH), working to restore the plant that produces more fiber, protein and oil than any other plant on our planet. Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition Popularizing an obscure Mexican slang word, these powerful interests -- including William Randolph Hearst (the namesake of yellow journalism), who had bought up entire forests for his vast chain of newspapers -- orchestrated a nationwide campaign that played on racism and wildly lurid and inaccurate reports in order to prohibit hemp. They said that a deadly new drug called marijuana caused users to go insane and uncontrollably kill their family and friends. We call that misinformation campaign Reefer Madness (click here to see a Hemp TV clip from the movie), after a 1938 movie popularizing this hoax. The basis of marijuana prohibition is filled with lies and overt racism. Everyone knew what hemp was, but very few understood that marijuana was hemp when it was prohibited in 1937. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/2002 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
Re: [biofuel] Re:Virus protection was: WARNING! - enemy action by Yahoo
not virus free, but not as popular to write virus's for. Much more fun to dump on Microsoft. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re:Virus protection was: WARNING! - enemy action by Yahoo LINUX! virus free. As much as we need to bail on modern fuels we need to bail on micro$oft... Ken - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 2:51 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re:Virus protection was: WARNING! - enemy action by Yahoo Hackers are people who breaks the security and get access to a computer system. Most of them do not make destructive viruses but some use the virus to plant Trojans. Virus developers are destructive criminals. Both hackers and virus producers should be pursued legally and not only get a sufficient jail term, also be made financially responsible for damages. I am running windows 2000 with Norton virus protection and it works fine with me. I am using Eudora mail client and do not allow for any automatic execution. It is important to use a mail client that are supported by the anti virus software. Norton analyzes all incoming mails and the last years my system have been clean, when I do the weekly scan of my 2x20 Gb disks. I scan for viruses one night a week and it takes around 8 hours to do so. The Norton software is not expensive and Eudora has a free version alternative. I have a couple of other computers for use of others and had some problems on those. I also helped friends to set up security privately and for their companies. It is several times that I have fixed infected computers, that also had anti virus software. Some of this anti-virus software is not updated fast enough and some actually hangs the system. That is why I run a non mainstream mail client and Norton who I found have less problems than other virus software. I always tell people not to open any attachments unless they are that are not known to be OK, even if they have a good protected system. Curiosity is very dangerous. Hakan At 01:39 AM 12/8/2002 -0800, you wrote: On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:43:32 +0900, you wrote: Hi MM Thanks for this. We do at the moment have a member apparently in India with a virus that's picking members' names out of his address book and sending itself to people, with false sender names of other list members. It's impossible to find out who he is from the information that's available. I may have tracked down his ISP but all I can get out of them so far is an auto-response. I guess it happens all the time, I just happen to know of this one. A problem is that so many users know so little about using their machines and simply don't know about virus gear and how to keep it updated. That seems amazing but it's true. PS: I suppose going forward you could require new members to show evidence of non-use of one of the offending email clients (Outlook, Outlook Express, Netscape, whatever), by sending an email with header info that would indicate this. And-or you could post a link on the signup area to alternative email clients for Windows users. http://www.tucows.com/mail95_default.html Looking these over, though, there are several hazardous ones in there (possibly using the inbuilt address book). Mine isn't listed because its known as a free intergrated usenet reader. I guess maybe you could list Pegasus and agent.99 as two free email clients, if you didn't want to confuse people with a huge list. I don't know if Pegasus has an address book that is vulnerable. As I look at mine, unfortunately, the free version does not seem to support email, only usenet: http://www.forteinc.com/agent/features.php So, that is not an answer as to the zero-cost way to wean windows users from damaging email clients. Agent looks like it's $29.00 Anyway, I don't mean to suggest work for you, but if one is the moderator of a mail list and if this Outlook issue is still causing work, then maybe discouragement of using it would save work. Funny, but I heard on a retreat last year Gates had come back with the notion that security was going to be a big focus of the company. Guess they haven't quite solved it all yet. But this failure isn't as much of a mystery to me because I had the benefit of a conversation with a hacker 6 years ago about this, and he was quite clear that he doubted some of Windows Security problems *could* ever be solved, given its architecture. I've seldom seen him so tickled-pink, so content, when he was sitting there chuckling,
Re: [biofuel] Quality issues - bad biodiesel and engine damage
On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 12:42 PM, Keith Addison wrote: The Fuel Injection Equipment (FIE) Manufacturers (Delphi, Stanadyne, Denso, Bosch) issued a statement on biodiesel. They strongly support it, but they have their concerns too, and they're very involved in standards development. They had a fright in Europe in the early 90s when the introduction of low-sulphur diesel saw widespread damage to injection systems, with excessive wear and failure. The same thing happened in California. They don't want it to happen with biodiesel. These are their concerns: -Free methanol -Dissolved and free water -Free glycerin -Mono and di glycerides -Free fatty acids -Total solid impurity levels -Alkaline metal compounds in solution. -Oxidation and thermal stability It all makes sense to me except for the methanol and (within reason), the dissolved water. What about engines running on straight methanol, which I think is common in some places, no? Do they have amazing metal parts that don't corrode? What about ethanol? I thought any gasoline engine could run on either alcohol with only minor modifications. As for water, I wouldn't think it would be very soluble in biodiesel, and to the extent it was, wouldn't it inject just fine and turn to steam? Seems I even remember something about ADDING water to gasoline-fueled engines to provide cooler burning -- wouldn't that apply here as well?-K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Peanut oil Was: Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition
Come to think of it yeah ... I think I heard that too Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes, diesel used peanut oil. - Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Diesel engines vs. gasoline engines
I live in city of about 130,000 people. I'm looking at buying a diesel and using biodiesel for fuel. I have a question though about the praticalities of owning and using a diesel in an urban environment. I wasrecently warned against buying a diesel engine-based vehicle if the vehicle's primary use is mainly short trips (i.e. in a city). The main reason given was that diesels are meant to be driven long distances (i.e highways). To drive a diesel in-town on short trips, is to basiclly have a vehicle that dies out sooner than a gasoline powered vehicle. My question is whether accelerated deterioration would be linked to carbon build-up within typical diesels (my understanding is that biodiesel eliminates this build-up) Does anyone know or can explain the differences between the two types of engines and tell me whether there is any merit to this caveat? Are there any other considerations needed to be kept in mind when thinking diesel within the urban framework? Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines vs. gasoline engines
My father had a VW dasher (diesel ), that was city only driven. Lasted for years until a woman driver, ran a light, and ripped of the radiator with the bumper of her truck. He never had any real problems with it. Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 18:11 Subject: [biofuel] Diesel engines vs. gasoline engines I live in city of about 130,000 people. I'm looking at buying a diesel and using biodiesel for fuel. I have a question though about the praticalities of owning and using a diesel in an urban environment. I wasrecently warned against buying a diesel engine-based vehicle if the vehicle's primary use is mainly short trips (i.e. in a city). The main reason given was that diesels are meant to be driven long distances (i.e highways). To drive a diesel in-town on short trips, is to basiclly have a vehicle that dies out sooner than a gasoline powered vehicle. My question is whether accelerated deterioration would be linked to carbon build-up within typical diesels (my understanding is that biodiesel eliminates this build-up) Does anyone know or can explain the differences between the two types of engines and tell me whether there is any merit to this caveat? Are there any other considerations needed to be kept in mind when thinking diesel within the urban framework? Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
