Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years - Euro to oil
dumped the buck and the Chinese are also, prefering to deal in Euro or gold. In the case of the Chinese they are dumping the dollar by buying resources in various countries. Recently in Canada they spent 6 billion for some mining company that wasn't really worth it, but then neither is the dollar... Indonesia, last year, was making noise about dumping the buck as well, but that was not for il payments. Saddam was the only one at the time who officially went to the Euro for oil payments, but that could change very quickly as soon as the US finds some lame excuse to fight another one of Israel's wars by attacking Iran. China has already sided with Iran on the nuke issue, Russia has a mutual defence pact with Iran and the neo-con idiots have already theorised that a global thermonuclear war is "winable" by the US. Who the hell "wins" a nuke exchange ??? I am not sure what Mexico's position is on the dollar however I think I heard something along the lines of immigration in exchange for dollar support, but that is just rumour. Venezuela doesn't sell to the US anymore since the CIA led coup there failed. Chavez must surely be on his way into "the axis of evil" for sure. In the middle of all this one little known fact still remains, and that is that it is Canada that supplies the greatest volume of crude to the US, not Saudi. NAFTA also gave away 60% of Canada's natural gas to the US, what a deal huh? In a recent VISA (credit card) statement there was a note to the effect that for now on foreign purchases would be converted directly from that currency to the Canadian dollar without first being converted to the US dollar. Maybe Canada is finally starting to look to diversify it's reserve holdings??? Luc - Original Message - From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years - Euro to oil The last one I heard talking about selling oil in Euro was a guy called Saddam Hussein. I guess you heard what happened to him. If you look, at oil price and dollar rates, oil is effectively already selling in Euro. Please do not tell dubya, he did not discoverer it yet and you do not want to be responsible for the start of WWIII. Hakan At 10:40 PM 11/7/2004, you wrote: Hi to all, I was in Austria looking at marvellous renewable technologies, Biomass heating systems, large scale biogas, solar panels on nearly every roof in sight, biodiesel at the pump, when i heard the news of dubya's win it confirmed to me that this must be the way forwards, further from this the only other way that this man can be stopped if the oil is traded in euro, thus effectively pulling the financial rug from under his feet, a topic that has done the rounds before on the biofuels group, has anyone heard any more countries looking towards buying in euros? dino's dead, long live biofuel dD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God
"ye are therefore dead to the law by the body of Christ" Romans 7:4 and that all these things no longer apply :) but he seems to have missed that class. He seems to have missed the part about where Jesus said that the earmark of one of His followers was that we should have love one toward another, John 13:35. Maybe he is just loving the Iraqis to death huh?<-all sarcasm and black humour intended. Luc - Original Message - From: "Mel Riser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] He talks to God I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my study of the Bible. Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back? mel Dear President Bush, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination? 7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24: 10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20: 14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, as well, you have a direct line to God so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God
Mel, Thanks for the laugh. Hakan At 10:50 PM 11/7/2004, you wrote: I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my study of the Bible. Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back? mel Dear President Bush, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination? 7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24: 10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20: 14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, as well, you have a direct line to God so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Mel ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years - Euro to oil
The last one I heard talking about selling oil in Euro was a guy called Saddam Hussein. I guess you heard what happened to him. If you look, at oil price and dollar rates, oil is effectively already selling in Euro. Please do not tell dubya, he did not discoverer it yet and you do not want to be responsible for the start of WWIII. Hakan At 10:40 PM 11/7/2004, you wrote: Hi to all, I was in Austria looking at marvellous renewable technologies, Biomass heating systems, large scale biogas, solar panels on nearly every roof in sight, biodiesel at the pump, when i heard the news of dubya's win it confirmed to me that this must be the way forwards, further from this the only other way that this man can be stopped if the oil is traded in euro, thus effectively pulling the financial rug from under his feet, a topic that has done the rounds before on the biofuels group, has anyone heard any more countries looking towards buying in euros? dino's dead, long live biofuel dD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland
Coming along ok. Mind is willing but the body is weak. Each day a bit better though. Actually have some colour in my face now. Piggott even shows how to carve your own blades. As for configuration Betz wrote the paper I think. I am under the impression 3 blades is usually the best choice. Mine is a drag windmill. Less efficient but the bottom line is dollars/watt and for water pumping and the like it has peak torque at stall. Kirk --- MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >http://www.scoraigwind.com/ > > >has a much cheaper solution. > > >Also a more factual solution. A rooftop > installation > > >will in most cases be a very poor one. > > > > > >Kirk > > > Kirk, > How's your windmill coming along? > Does Hugh Piggott have a blade configuration such > as the > > > > Swift Rooftop Wind Energy System > > > http://www.renewabledevices.com/swift.htm > > I had read some comments about the > 'Swift rooftop wind power generator' > > http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/5/18/211148/864 > > > Hakan, > What was the 'awea wind list' assessment of the > Swift design? > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] He talks to God
I figgered' since he talks to God and Jesus so much he might help me in my study of the Bible. Wonder whut kinda answer's I'll get back? mel Dear President Bush, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination? 7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24: 10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20: 14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, as well, you have a direct line to God so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland
> >http://www.scoraigwind.com/ > >has a much cheaper solution. > >Also a more factual solution. A rooftop installation > >will in most cases be a very poor one. > > > >Kirk Kirk, How's your windmill coming along? Does Hugh Piggott have a blade configuration such as the > > Swift Rooftop Wind Energy System > > http://www.renewabledevices.com/swift.htm I had read some comments about the 'Swift rooftop wind power generator' http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2004/5/18/211148/864 Hakan, What was the 'awea wind list' assessment of the Swift design? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years - Euro to oil
Hi to all, I was in Austria looking at marvellous renewable technologies, Biomass heating systems, large scale biogas, solar panels on nearly every roof in sight, biodiesel at the pump, when i heard the news of dubya's win it confirmed to me that this must be the way forwards, further from this the only other way that this man can be stopped if the oil is traded in euro, thus effectively pulling the financial rug from under his feet, a topic that has done the rounds before on the biofuels group, has anyone heard any more countries looking towards buying in euros? dino's dead, long live biofuel dD _ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years - Euro to oil
Hi to all, I was in Austria looking at marvellous renewable technologies, Biomass heating systems, large scale biogas, solar panels on nearly every roof in sight, biodiesel at the pump, when i heard the news of dubya's win it confirmed to me that this must be the way forwards, further from this the only other way that this man can be stopped if the oil is traded in euro, thus effectively pulling the financial rug from under his feet, a topic that has done the rounds before on the biofuels group, has anyone heard any more countries looking towards buying in euros? dino's dead, long live biofuel dD _ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Was Pump Trucks--Now Tailgaters
That's what they think. Remember, anything can be used as a weapon, even the vehicle I'm driving. Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 09:34 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Was Pump Trucks--Now Tailgaters > "as they now turn meek and mild mannered." Or promptly pull out Mr. Colt and > finish the rage... (US only) > Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [Homestead] Six-bladed wind turbine that stacks three-high on pole
Keith, Good for isolated rural applications, but not feasible for contribution to switch from fossil to renewable based energy. This apart from the security and quality issues around Hornet turbines. Hakan At 07:33 PM 11/7/2004, you wrote: Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:23:51 -0800 From: Tvoivozhd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Homestead] Six-bladed wind turbine that stacks three-high on pole http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/Hornet.html (very low cost 24, 48 volt DC generators---mini windfarm is cheaper than solar panels and its energy output takes place both in daylight hours and at night if wind is sufficient---six-blade wind turbine starts generating at 4.3 mph. Store output as hydrogen instead of in batteries---need no controller, a hydrogen fuel cell would be useful to convert hydrogen energy to DC electricity, with inverter for small AC requirements.) http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/windmap.html (U.S. average windspeed area map) In Roanoke area, average windspeed is 5.6 to 12/5 mph, though we do get up to 70 mph winds occasionally at the juncture of an east-west valley ane a southwest-northwest valley. http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/ohms_law/ohmslawcalculator.html Ohms Law Calculator) http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/buck.html (for the relative added cost, a Buck Converter is a mandatory addition to a wind turbine or photovoltaic panel) http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/3HORNETONPOLE.gif (stack up to three wind turbines on one pole---and mount the pole in a pulpit so it can be easily swung down and put up again without ladders or cranes---make it strong, the wind stress from three wind turbines is very high) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland
Kirk, I have experiences from some friend who have a couple of larger turbines installed in Sweden. When I researched small wind for my energy source information on http://energysavingnow.com , I knew that Europe is leading on large wind and US have the largest number of choices and installations of small wind. Looking at small wind, I was confronted with the fact that most of them, if not all, are installed in sites where it was suitable to install larger turbines. Participating and have discussions with suppliers and users of the awea wind list, it became obvious that it is very few wind turbines that are suitable for sites that not at the same time are suitable for large turbines. My feeling was confirmed by the experts and list participants. There are few or none small wind turbine that are suitable in urban or sub urban environment, where large turbines cannot be installed. I think it is a waste, to install a wind turbine of 0.5 to 10 kW on a site where you equally well could install one or more 1 to 3 MW wind turbine. This assuming that the turbines could be grid connected. My friend in Sweden got subsidies 20 years ago for their grid connected large turbines and have earned money at the same time as they got their own electricity covered. This has been proven to be beneficial for both them and the society. I cannot see any real value for developed countries, with a good grid distribution, to encourage small wind. For countries with poor or no grid distribution, it is an other case. Without urban or sub urban small wind applications, small wind remains a solution for isolated rural places without grid connection and will not play any part in the larger picture of energy solutions we need for the future. Hakan At 06:47 PM 11/7/2004, you wrote: http://www.scoraigwind.com/ has a much cheaper solution. Also a more factual solution. A rooftop installation will in most cases be a very poor one. Kirk --- MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rooftop Turbine > A Breakthrough In Wind Power > By Paul Kelbie > Scotland Correspondent > The Independent - UK > 5-22-4 > http://www.rense.com/general53/wind.htm >Each unit could pay for itself in three to four > years, > the inventors say. And with a 20-year guarantee > from the > manufacturers, each turbine could provide > householders > with up to 16 years of free electricity... >The Swift Rooftop Wind Energy System, developed > by the > Edinburgh company Renewable Devices Limited, > supplies the > power directly into a home's individual existing > mains supply. > Each turbine is made up of five two-metre rotor > blades > encased in an outer-rim, like a wagon wheel, and it > sits > just 1.5 metres above the height of a house... > [more] > > To me it appears the diameter is 2 metres looking > at the > link http://www.renewabledevices.com/swift.htm far > below. > > Wind turbines could soon be familiar sight - on > rooftops > ALASTAIR REED > 29 Oct 2004 > http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=1250422004 >ROOFTOP wind turbines could soon be commonplace > throughout > Scotland, after one of the country's largest energy > providers took > a stake in a fledgling Edinburgh-based renewable > energy company. >Scottish and Southern Energy announced yesterday > that it is to pay > £293,000 for a 20 per cent stake in Renewable > Devices, which has > developed what it claims is the "world's first > rooftop-mountable wind > energy system". >The turbine, which is to be known as the Swift > Rooftop Wind Energy > System, is silent, about the same size as a > satellite dish, and > capable of providing about 30 per cent of the > electricity needs of > a typical household. Even with a £1,500 price-tag, > its creators claim > the system will repay that amount in electricity > savings in just > three years of its guaranteed 20-year life. >The SSE chief executive, Ian Marchant, said: "To > date, > renewable energy has only really been accessible to > customers at the top end of the scale," he said. > "With > this deal, individual households can now get > involved." >Over the next three years SSE expects to order > 2,000 of the systems. > > Swift route to green energy at home > Colin Donald > 29 Oct 2004 > > http://business.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1249502004 > >AT FIRST glance it looks as gawky and simple as a > school weather experiment: a carbon fibre cartwheel > with five sculpted blades-cum-spokes, a tail with > fins. >But if Dave Anderson's confidence is borne out, > we could > be getting an early glimpse of a 21st-century > domestic icon. > He and his colleagues at Renewable Devices are > striving to > make the Swift rooftop wind energy system as much a > feature > of the urban landscape as the satellite dish - and > yesterday's deal with power giant Scottish & > Southern Energy > brings this a step closer... >News organisations worldwide have been waking up > to th
Re: [Biofuel] Does anyone here use FuelMeister equipment?
For that kind of money you can build ten times the system - an actual honest to goodness "complete" system, rather than an overpriced peanut jar with a toothbrush motor attached. It's a waste of money and doesn't do as fit a job as is represented. Besides it being half-baked, it's not the processor that's of primary importance but the processer. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Howard Swan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 10:23 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Does anyone here use FuelMeister equipment? Hello all, I've been using Gmail for a while now, and while I was reading list messages today the following came up as a sponsored ad: http://www.biodieselsolutions.com Is anyone using this type of processor? $3000 seems kinda steep for something I could build for about $500 including the tanks and pumps. Also, it looks like this processor is using poly tanks - I was under the impression that poly tanks were a major no-no. They do seem to have some useful information on fuel taxes and state regulations pertaining to biodiesel, but I can't see anyone buying one of their processors. What do you all think? Reagrds, Howard Swan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Fwd: [Homestead] Six-bladed wind turbine that stacks three-high on pole
From: Tvoivozhd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Homestead] Six-bladed wind turbine that stacks three-high on pole http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/Hornet.html (very low cost 24, 48 volt DC generators---mini windfarm is cheaper than solar panels and its energy output takes place both in daylight hours and at night if wind is sufficient---six-blade wind turbine starts generating at 4.3 mph. Store output as hydrogen instead of in batteries---need no controller, a hydrogen fuel cell would be useful to convert hydrogen energy to DC electricity, with inverter for small AC requirements.) http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/windmap.html (U.S. average windspeed area map) In Roanoke area, average windspeed is 5.6 to 12/5 mph, though we do get up to 70 mph winds occasionally at the juncture of an east-west valley ane a southwest-northwest valley. http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/ohms_law/ohmslawcalculator.html Ohms Law Calculator) http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/buck.html (for the relative added cost, a Buck Converter is a mandatory addition to a wind turbine or photovoltaic panel) http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/3HORNETONPOLE.gif (stack up to three wind turbines on one pole---and mount the pole in a pulpit so it can be easily swung down and put up again without ladders or cranes---make it strong, the wind stress from three wind turbines is very high) ___ Homestead list and subscription: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/homestead Change your homestead list member options: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/homestead/keith%40journeytof orever.org View the archives at: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/homestead ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Does anyone here use FuelMeister equipment?
Hello all, I've been using Gmail for a while now, and while I was reading list messages today the following came up as a sponsored ad: http://www.biodieselsolutions.com Is anyone using this type of processor? $3000 seems kinda steep for something I could build for about $500 including the tanks and pumps. Also, it looks like this processor is using poly tanks - I was under the impression that poly tanks were a major no-no. They do seem to have some useful information on fuel taxes and state regulations pertaining to biodiesel, but I can't see anyone buying one of their processors. What do you all think? Reagrds, Howard Swan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your instincts are very sound, trust them! This sort of rounds up a lot of previous discussion about this: With all the processor designs on your web site, possibly a person who considers themselves incapable of plumbing together a processor could hire someone to do it for them (local plumber?), and still come out way, way, way cheaper than any pre-bought system. Yes indeed, much cheaper and much better. This cost about $100: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html It's WAY superior to any of these allegedly ready-to-use for-sale things. As for Rudi's junk, instead of improving the thing so it might get within spitting distance of doing even a half-assed job, he's now supplying add-ons instead, at a 400% markup, so it now costs $4,300 with an extra tank and a heater, which should be standard, not extra. You could make an excellent processor plus more than 8,000 gallons of high-quality biodiesel for that price. So what exactly is wrong with the thing? Quicker to ask what's right with it - nothing. But, please, do yourself a favour and spend some time reading through this stuff here, previous discussion on the FuelMeister: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/?keywords=fuelmeister&time=6mon ths&usertime=2002-12-31 If that's all a bit much at first you can start with these: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/28752/ Re: Now here's a nice little joke http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/29808/ Re: Off-the-Shelf Processors (When you access the messages, if you hit on "Click here for more on this subject" you get a clickable table of the whole thread.) Nobody here has an axe to grind (except the guy who keeps saying "Why do you have a problem with the FuelMeister?" only it turns out he sells them). We'd all just love to see a good ready-made that did a good job at a reasonable price, but, as I said in the first place, there isn't such a thing, sad to say. So much for the "processor", but it turns out the "process" is as bad or worse - the instructions Rudi sends out with the FuelMeister not only ensure poor quality, they're dangerous: http://forums.biodieselnow.com/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=17 801&TOPIC_ID=2668&FORUM_ID=3 Originally posted by girl Mark Obviously, the FuelMeister will cost you an extra $3,000-$4,000 for a reactor made of some really crappy materials, and if you were to follow their instructons you'd make an inferior product instead of 'biodiesel' (there's no way to make ASTM-grade biodiesel following their instructions, they've brought back the Dark Ages of methanol skimping among other things, including suggestions that you should wear a solvent respirator (there's no such thing for that works against methanol!!) and that you should open the lid of your reactor and evaporate a bunch of the excess methanol into your house/garage/work space after the reaction (duh!) oh and there's a recommendation to sniff your unwashed (ie very much methanol-containing) biodiesel as a sort of quality test -using your nose to test for excess methanol). Since they're counting on the fact that their customers probably aren't already homebrewing, and want to buy something without going through the process of learning it on their own, most of their customers won't know the hazards or shortcomings of the processes they're buying... by the way there's no filter for methanol that you can buy, and the fact that the FuelMeister claims that they have one in their reactor is an absolute travesty. Mark [more] http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/35580/ That message ends like this: So, now, finally, the good news? Sure... You don't need the likes of Rudi and Joshua and their iffy offerings. You've come to the right place, you'll find everything you need right here, willingly given, free of charge, good information, good advice, and help and assistance from experienced biodieselers when you need it. But you're not a mechanic (plumber, engineer, chemist, handy person), you can't build your own processor? One of the most important aspects of DIY biofuels is that it's a very empowering thing to discover that you don't have to be Exxon-Mobil to make your own fuel, and not only that, yours is better than theirs. Same with building a processor - if you try, you might jus
Re: [Biofuel] National Biodiesel Board
I have visited the site and wanted some impartial info about the pros and cons of membership. What are the costs, benefits... Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] See: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/27488/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30373/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30389/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/31476/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/36836/ There's plenty more if you look, but that's about the gist of it. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] PVC
the pump bodies seem to be made out of PVC. I checked the compatibility website at http://www.coleparmer.com/techinfo/ChemComp.asp and it seems to indicate compatibility with the NAOH and the methanol no problem however it may be degraded by the oil or the mixture. does anyone have any experience with PVC for this stuff? there is no recycling mark that I can find on the pump body anywhere is there any really good way of identifying it other than "yup it sure looks like PVC"? what about chemically welded PVC (using that MEK based PVC cement) will it still have the same chemical resistance? thanks list John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Does anyone here use FuelMeister equipment?
Hello all, I've been using Gmail for a while now, and while I was reading list messages today the following came up as a sponsored ad: http://www.biodieselsolutions.com Is anyone using this type of processor? $3000 seems kinda steep for something I could build for about $500 including the tanks and pumps. Also, it looks like this processor is using poly tanks - I was under the impression that poly tanks were a major no-no. They do seem to have some useful information on fuel taxes and state regulations pertaining to biodiesel, but I can't see anyone buying one of their processors. What do you all think? Reagrds, Howard Swan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Pump Trucks
Jeremy Years ago I helped build a small pump truck from an old pick up and a good sized presure tank. I ran a line from the engine vacuum to the tank with a small floating ball installed so when the tank filled the ball would shut off the line to the motor. Of course, there was a second valve and line for sucking up liquid and it was much bigger than the vacuum line. It worked like a charm. On the way to the pick up point I would turn on the vacuum line and the tank would be ready when I arrived at the site. The vacuum would fill the tank in little time and you could tell when the tank filled by the change in engine noise. Simple, cheap, and fast to do. Halftrack. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland
http://www.scoraigwind.com/ has a much cheaper solution. Also a more factual solution. A rooftop installation will in most cases be a very poor one. Kirk --- MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rooftop Turbine > A Breakthrough In Wind Power > By Paul Kelbie > Scotland Correspondent > The Independent - UK > 5-22-4 > http://www.rense.com/general53/wind.htm >Each unit could pay for itself in three to four > years, > the inventors say. And with a 20-year guarantee > from the > manufacturers, each turbine could provide > householders > with up to 16 years of free electricity... >The Swift Rooftop Wind Energy System, developed > by the > Edinburgh company Renewable Devices Limited, > supplies the > power directly into a home's individual existing > mains supply. > Each turbine is made up of five two-metre rotor > blades > encased in an outer-rim, like a wagon wheel, and it > sits > just 1.5 metres above the height of a house... > [more] > > To me it appears the diameter is 2 metres looking > at the > link http://www.renewabledevices.com/swift.htm far > below. > > Wind turbines could soon be familiar sight - on > rooftops > ALASTAIR REED > 29 Oct 2004 > http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=1250422004 >ROOFTOP wind turbines could soon be commonplace > throughout > Scotland, after one of the country's largest energy > providers took > a stake in a fledgling Edinburgh-based renewable > energy company. >Scottish and Southern Energy announced yesterday > that it is to pay > £293,000 for a 20 per cent stake in Renewable > Devices, which has > developed what it claims is the "world's first > rooftop-mountable wind > energy system". >The turbine, which is to be known as the Swift > Rooftop Wind Energy > System, is silent, about the same size as a > satellite dish, and > capable of providing about 30 per cent of the > electricity needs of > a typical household. Even with a £1,500 price-tag, > its creators claim > the system will repay that amount in electricity > savings in just > three years of its guaranteed 20-year life. >The SSE chief executive, Ian Marchant, said: "To > date, > renewable energy has only really been accessible to > customers at the top end of the scale," he said. > "With > this deal, individual households can now get > involved." >Over the next three years SSE expects to order > 2,000 of the systems. > > Swift route to green energy at home > Colin Donald > 29 Oct 2004 > > http://business.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1249502004 > >AT FIRST glance it looks as gawky and simple as a > school weather experiment: a carbon fibre cartwheel > with five sculpted blades-cum-spokes, a tail with > fins. >But if Dave Anderson's confidence is borne out, > we could > be getting an early glimpse of a 21st-century > domestic icon. > He and his colleagues at Renewable Devices are > striving to > make the Swift rooftop wind energy system as much a > feature > of the urban landscape as the satellite dish - and > yesterday's deal with power giant Scottish & > Southern Energy > brings this a step closer... >News organisations worldwide have been waking up > to the > potential of a noiseless, vibration-free, > roof-mounted turbine. > The device plugs directly into the home grid, it > will retail at > around £1,500 and promises to repay that in > electricity savings > to the average household in the first three years > of > its 20-year guaranteed life... [more] > > Launch of rooftop wind turbine pilot > 18/05/2004 > > http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2004/05/5528 >The first installation of a world-leading rooftop > turbine > took place today at a Fife school. >One rooftop turbine is being installed at each of > five > Fife Primary schools in the new pilot, and if > successful, > the turbines could be sited on houses and > buildings across Scotland. [more] > > SWIFT WIND TURBINE > Swift Rooftop Wind Energy System > http://www.renewabledevices.com/swift.htm > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Global Warming Leadership
Dire warnings from global warming report Financial and environmental impact of rising UK emissions projected Owen Bowcott Oct 25, 2004 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1335129,00.html ...the study - Forecasting the Future... Published by the Energy Saving Trust, the body established by the government following the 1992 Rio Earth Summit, the document details the likely effect of climate change on Britain if nothing is done to cut emissions of greenhouse gases or reduce energy use. Ministers accused of global warming hypocrisy 27 Oct 2004 http://www.epolitix.com/EN/News/200410/b68ecfba-c837-4a51-8fc4-fa386e355137.htm The Liberal Democrats have accused the government of hypocrisy after the announcement that ministers are increasing carbon dioxide pollution limits for UK companies. Campaigners call for action not words on climate change 29 Oct 2004 http://www.politics.co.uk/foreign-policy/campaigners-call-action-not-words-on-climate-change-$3739554.htm Straw calls for global push on climate change Environmental campaigners have called on the Government to take concrete action against climate change, rather than just launching strategies. > UK, Germany pledge world leadership on global warming > 5 November 2004 > http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-131896-16&type=News > Germany and UK to form partnership for climate change research > 2004-11-04 > > http://dbs.cordis.lu/cgi-bin/srchidadb?CALLER=NHP_EN_NEWS&ACTION=D&SESSION=&RCN=EN_RCN_ID:22872 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Was Pump Trucks--Now Tailgaters
finish the rage... (US only) Luc - Original Message - From: "Greg Harbican" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Was Pump Trucks--Now Tailgaters I usually do one of two things, smile and wave at them by way of the mirror ( then ignore them ) or gear down for few seconds leaving a big cloud of black smoke in their face ( it is absolutely amazing how fast they back off in the summer when they have the windows down, not to mention a little funny ). If they then come up along side and start getting rude, I take my old cell phone ( that barely works ), and hold it up for them to see, and then make out like I am dialing 911, and make it look like I am reporting a case of road rage ( if they continue, I do call the police and report the road rage ).The look of horre that shows on their face, at the thought that the cops are now going to be involved, is priceless - as they now turn meek and mild mannered. Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Peggy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 06:58 Subject: [Biofuel] Was Pump Trucks--Now Tailgaters Thanks John for the info on the pump trucks. When we are ready to buy our pump truck, it will come in handy. But most of all, I appreciate the tip on keeping tailgaters at bay. Usually we just slow down which makes them even more invasive. We also move the rear-view mirror so they cannot make eye contact with us. Removing the potential for direct mental anguish via the mirror can help the forward driver maintain their legal speed limit without so much pressure. However, we have had to re-glue a mirror or two from moving it so often. Ha! Peggy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Global Warming Leadership
UK, Germany pledge world leadership on global warming 5 November 2004 http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-131896-16&type=News In Short: Ministers, business leaders and scientists meeting in Berlin affirmed that the threat from climate change was "real, serious and urgent" and vowed to take leadership to curb global warming. RELATED ð EU policies on climate change ð UK revised CO2 emissions plan up for re-assessment Brief News: One hundred and seventy top scientists, policy makers and business leaders from the United Kingdom and Germany pledged on 3 November to take world leadership to address global warming at a high-level conference on climate change. The conference - "Meeting the challenge together" - was opened by the Queen of England at the British embassy in Berlin and closed with the adoption of a draft bilateral action plan on climate change. Participants agreed that "the evidence that human activity was causing climate change, most notably through emissions of greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels and through deforestation", had been established "beyond reasonable doubt". Addressing the conference by video, British Prime Minister Tony Blair reiterated his intention to use the UK's forthcoming EU and G8 presidencies to bring climate change to the top of his agenda. The conference focused on exploring solutions to climate change, notably by providing a "framework within which business could innovate, invest and develop good technological solutions". Areas identified for future action included developing adaptation and mitigation strategies beyond the Kyoto Protocol's 2012 target as well as introducing insurance and compensation schemes to cover the expected increasing occurrence of extreme weather events. A working group on promoting technical and social innovation, in particular within the EU, recommended taking better account of climate change into other policy areas including energy, material flows, aviation and transport. It called on Mr Blair to put in place an "emissions trading scheme" or "carbon tax" for aircraft and ships to put an end to the "anomaly" brought about by their heavy burning of fossil fuels. It further called for a "more consistent implementation" of directives on eco-design, buildings, vehicle emissions, procurement, state aid and co-generation in this respect. The conference conclusions, report and the bilateral action plan will be published in January 2005. The two governments committed to "consider in practical terms" how these could be taken forward at EU level. [more] Links <><><><><> Germany and UK to form partnership for climate change research 2004-11-04 http://dbs.cordis.lu/cgi-bin/srchidadb?CALLER=NHP_EN_NEWS&ACTION=D&SESSION=&RCN=EN_RCN_ID:22872 Germany and the UK are to sign a Memorandum of Understanding on climate change research, both parties announced on 3 November. The announcement was made during a German-UK climate conference in Berlin, opened by Queen Elizabeth II during a state visit to Germany. The agreement will pave the way for the development of a joint research agenda involving all major research institutes and funding organisations from both countries. 'Germany and Great Britain are leading the way in Europe in climate protection. We are both of the opinion that research efforts must be strengthened in order to enable us to meet the challenges of climate change effectively,' said German Minister for Education and Research, Edelgard Bulmahn. The announcement came shortly after the unveiling of new research showing that the Arctic ice cap is melting at an unprecedented rate. Commissioned by the Arctic Council and involving researchers from eight countries, including Denmark, Finland and Sweden, the research shows that Arctic ice is half as thick as 30 years ago. If melting continues at the current rate, there will be no ice in the Arctic during the summer by 2070, say scientists. These latest findings have led to a fresh round of appeals from researchers, environmental organisations and governments alike for urgent action. Speaking at the Berlin conference, UK Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Margaret Beckett said that the UK's presidencies of the G8 and EU next year offer the chance to work with Germany and other EU states to demonstrate common resolve on tackling climate issues. 'We want to seize the opportunity to generate a fresh and reinvigorated strategic vision for putting the world on a path to a sustainable low-carbon future, taking account both of the scientific evidence and the technological challenge,' said Ms Beckett. 'An improved awareness of current climate trends and extreme weather conditions are the important climate themes of the future,' added Ms Bulmahn. She emphasised the importance of transferring research results into practice and developing new business opportu
[Biofuel] Kyoto - Putin Ratifies
Putin Ratifies Kyoto Protocol 05.11.2004 http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/11/05/putinkyoto.shtml President Vladimir Putin has signed Russiaâs ratification of the Kyoto Protocol, formally joining the international environmental pact aiming to limit industrial emissions and thus curb climate change. A Kremlin spokesman said Putin signed the bill late on Thursday. It will come into law in Russia once Putinâs decision is officially published, Reuters reported. Russiaâs State Duma, or parliament, signed ratified the treaty on Oct. 22, and it passed the Federation Council, or senate, on Oct. 27. Russiaâs ratification makes the Kyoto protocol, so far backed by 126 states, internationally binding. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Fuel Economy Compare by US Department of Energy
I found the following link useful for research of automotive fuel economy prepared by the US Department of Energy. http://www.fueleconomy.gov www.fueleconomy.gov Thank you, Kevin Shea ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Was Pump Trucks--Now Tailgaters
I usually do one of two things, smile and wave at them by way of the mirror ( then ignore them ) or gear down for few seconds leaving a big cloud of black smoke in their face ( it is absolutely amazing how fast they back off in the summer when they have the windows down, not to mention a little funny ). If they then come up along side and start getting rude, I take my old cell phone ( that barely works ), and hold it up for them to see, and then make out like I am dialing 911, and make it look like I am reporting a case of road rage ( if they continue, I do call the police and report the road rage ).The look of horre that shows on their face, at the thought that the cops are now going to be involved, is priceless - as they now turn meek and mild mannered. Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Peggy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 06:58 Subject: [Biofuel] Was Pump Trucks--Now Tailgaters > Thanks John for the info on the pump trucks. When we are ready to buy > our pump truck, it will come in handy. But most of all, I appreciate > the tip on keeping tailgaters at bay. Usually we just slow down which > makes them even more invasive. We also move the rear-view mirror so > they cannot make eye contact with us. Removing the potential for direct > mental anguish via the mirror can help the forward driver maintain their > legal speed limit without so much pressure. However, we have had to > re-glue a mirror or two from moving it so often. Ha! > > Peggy > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Rooftop Wind Turbines Scotland
Rooftop Turbine A Breakthrough In Wind Power By Paul Kelbie Scotland Correspondent The Independent - UK 5-22-4 http://www.rense.com/general53/wind.htm Each unit could pay for itself in three to four years, the inventors say. And with a 20-year guarantee from the manufacturers, each turbine could provide householders with up to 16 years of free electricity... The Swift Rooftop Wind Energy System, developed by the Edinburgh company Renewable Devices Limited, supplies the power directly into a home's individual existing mains supply. Each turbine is made up of five two-metre rotor blades encased in an outer-rim, like a wagon wheel, and it sits just 1.5 metres above the height of a house... [more] To me it appears the diameter is 2 metres looking at the link http://www.renewabledevices.com/swift.htm far below. Wind turbines could soon be familiar sight - on rooftops ALASTAIR REED 29 Oct 2004 http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=1250422004 ROOFTOP wind turbines could soon be commonplace throughout Scotland, after one of the country's largest energy providers took a stake in a fledgling Edinburgh-based renewable energy company. Scottish and Southern Energy announced yesterday that it is to pay £293,000 for a 20 per cent stake in Renewable Devices, which has developed what it claims is the "world's first rooftop-mountable wind energy system". The turbine, which is to be known as the Swift Rooftop Wind Energy System, is silent, about the same size as a satellite dish, and capable of providing about 30 per cent of the electricity needs of a typical household. Even with a £1,500 price-tag, its creators claim the system will repay that amount in electricity savings in just three years of its guaranteed 20-year life. The SSE chief executive, Ian Marchant, said: "To date, renewable energy has only really been accessible to customers at the top end of the scale," he said. "With this deal, individual households can now get involved." Over the next three years SSE expects to order 2,000 of the systems. Swift route to green energy at home Colin Donald 29 Oct 2004 http://business.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1249502004 AT FIRST glance it looks as gawky and simple as a school weather experiment: a carbon fibre cartwheel with five sculpted blades-cum-spokes, a tail with fins. But if Dave Anderson's confidence is borne out, we could be getting an early glimpse of a 21st-century domestic icon. He and his colleagues at Renewable Devices are striving to make the Swift rooftop wind energy system as much a feature of the urban landscape as the satellite dish - and yesterday's deal with power giant Scottish & Southern Energy brings this a step closer... News organisations worldwide have been waking up to the potential of a noiseless, vibration-free, roof-mounted turbine. The device plugs directly into the home grid, it will retail at around £1,500 and promises to repay that in electricity savings to the average household in the first three years of its 20-year guaranteed life... [more] Launch of rooftop wind turbine pilot 18/05/2004 http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2004/05/5528 The first installation of a world-leading rooftop turbine took place today at a Fife school. One rooftop turbine is being installed at each of five Fife Primary schools in the new pilot, and if successful, the turbines could be sited on houses and buildings across Scotland. [more] SWIFT WIND TURBINE Swift Rooftop Wind Energy System http://www.renewabledevices.com/swift.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Was Pump Trucks--Now Tailgaters
Thanks John for the info on the pump trucks. When we are ready to buy our pump truck, it will come in handy. But most of all, I appreciate the tip on keeping tailgaters at bay. Usually we just slow down which makes them even more invasive. We also move the rear-view mirror so they cannot make eye contact with us. Removing the potential for direct mental anguish via the mirror can help the forward driver maintain their legal speed limit without so much pressure. However, we have had to re-glue a mirror or two from moving it so often. Ha! Peggy I often want to invent bumper stickers for tailgaters and the way that this thread fits this forum is that the tailgater drives fuelishly. How about: "Tailgaters eat gas" P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Guttridge Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 8:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pump Trucks I am a firefighter and one of our neighboring fire departments uses an old septic system truck as it's tanker. I would look for a used attack pumper. ours is a regular pickup truck that has a 500 gallon tank and a 500GPM pump on it (if you leave the full hand line on it you have about enough water in the tank to fill up the hose before your supply needs to be there vol of the hand line is 326 gallons) and an excellent tool body at that. also lots of those things are diesel so you can run it on the good stuff. there is usually a big opening at the rear of the truck that lets you dump all of your tank in a matter of a few seconds (may not be useful but that would be a good method of dealing with tailgaters) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63735&item=450171 0160&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63735&item=249828 9628&rd=1 if you want to spend the $$$ for the good stuff: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63735&item=450072 6325&rd=1 here is a septic truck: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63743&item=450163 5747&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Legal Eagle wrote: > One would suspect that any company that deals with waste removal, as in > outhouses, would have that info as that is what they use, pump trucks, yuk! > However, there are gizmos out there specifically made for WVO pumping > from a 12V outlet, but that would depend on what kind of volume you are > speaking of, definetly not pump truck volume. > Luc > - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Farmer" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:34 PM > Subject: [Biofuel] Pump Trucks > > > Does anyone have any information on pump trucks to pump WVO like who > makes them or where they can be acquired. Or even plans on how to > convert a regular truck to one? > > Jeremy > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Fly the fatty skies ( obesity increases pollution )
Thanks Nick, I failed to take the low temperature into consideration. DUH on me, but it was just a well-meaning rambling thought. Gregg Nick & Jenny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Gregg, The engines can run biodiesel just fine at sealevel temperatures, the problem would be at cruising altitude and the sub zero temperatures encountered there causing the fuel to gel . Jet fuel is esentialy diesel but with a much lower cloud point. Regards Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gregg Davidson Sent: Sunday, 7 November 2004 9:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Fly the fatty skies ( obesity increases pollution ) I was pondering an idea a couple of days ago when I heard how much more the airlines must pay for jet fuel: Is it possible to convert the engines to use Biodiesel? Just a rambling thought on my part. Gregg Davidson http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ over weight people and higher fuel consumtion ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Hot water heater processor help
that is filamented to be maleable. It does not contain the notorious canabis setiva's tetra hydra cabinol, the drug's active ingredient so is still in use in many applications. Some California residents have used this product to fabricate clothing ect. The "pitch" as you say, goes over the hemp, after this later has been thoroughly compacted in a plumbing application where a large pipe is fitted into another and the hemp/pich combo is used as a sealant. In straight pipe fitting the hemp can be used without the pitch, which used to a tar based "glue". When my boss used it many many many moons ago it was in Canada, but there are other places that use it also. Canada doesn't use it much anymore, however it can still be found if one were to look around hard and long enough. Luc - Original Message - From: "-t zeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hot water heater processor help pardon me Luc, but could you expand on the reference to hemp below? are you referring to the pitch that was made from the oil as a sealant etc? and what time period and country was this in? just curious, thanks, -terri. On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:35:06 -0500 "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: - Original Message - From: "Jeremy & Tracy Longworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 7:53 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Hot water heater processor help You can always snoop mine. It may not be exactly what you wnat but it could provide some ideas. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor12.html I would get the leak fixed and go with the 80. Dale Scoggins, the originator of the water heater as a processor idea, did just that. http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html He explains why his looks so funky. > I am in the process of assembling a hot water heater processor. > I have two hot water heaters one is a 12 gal. and the other is an 80 gal. The problem, from all that I have been able to accumulate, is that the galvanized pipes contain zinc, and zinc reacts negatively with biodiesel, which is why most opt for black iron fittings, but you can just as easily use copper except that that will drive the costs up big time. Do not solder, use the threaded type only as the solder may also contain zinc :) The black iron is so much cheeper as well as being BD friendly, so why not just go with that ? I had to hunt around a bit to find a place that carried it in varied enough selections but I did find one. It is easy to work with and will not react negatively with your fuel. Just remember to use plumbing tape on the threads clockwise :) In some places they do not have that nice pre-packaged teflon tape and so they still use hemp as plumbers used to do here too along time ago (my age is showing,ha!) Pointer: except for the methoxide delivery make everything else 3/4in. 3/4 is the default for water heaters anyway, so it just kinda flows. I reduced my glycerine drain to 1/2 but I am thinking of going to 3/4 for that as well. Do not use garden hose taps for anything as . above, several lines. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
is/her credentials as a statistician. > > Remember --> There are lies; damned lies; and then, there are > statistics. > > The site I provided (http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQstates.htm) has > a link to more reasonable numbers. There are numbers that > are based around elementary school testing (reading and math) > and sets based around SAT/ACT data. The results really > aren't that compelling. Bush states come in with an average > of 99, Kerry states with an average of 101. An interesting > fact of note -- southern states, with larger minority groups, > typically have lower IQ averages and typically vote Democrat. > Even they did not vote for Kerry. > For that matter, Edwards' home state didn't fall in line with > the ticket. > Of course, the losing side is just claiming foul play -- > disenfranchisement, challengers, lost ballots, hanging chads, > and so forth. The Democrats also lost further control of > congress and other political seats -- even Daschle was > unseated. In the end, the Democrats just went with the wrong > candidate; had they gone with Dean, Bush would not be getting > a second term. > > Kerry States: > > District of Columbia 95 > Delaware 99 > Hawaii99 > California100 > Maine 100 > New Jersey100 > Pennsylvania 100 > Rhode Island 100 > Maryland 101 > Michigan 101 > New York 101 > Connecticut 102 > Illinois 102 > Minnesota 102 > Washington102 > Oregon103 > New Hampshire 104 > Vermont 102 > Massachusetts 103 > Wisconsin 103 > > Bush States: > > Mississippi 94 > South Carolina94 > New Mexico96 > Alabama 97 > Georgia 97 > Kentucky 97 > Louisiana 97 > North Carolina97 > Tennessee 97 > Texas 97 > Florida 98 > Arkansas 98 > Indiana 99 > Arizona 100 > Idaho 100 > Nevada100 > South Dakota 100 > Virginia 100 > West Virginia 100 > Alaska101 > Missouri 101 > Ohio 101 > Utah 101 > Wyoming 101 > Colorado 102 > Iowa 102 > Kansas102 > Montana 102 > Nebraska 102 > North Dakota 102 > Oklahoma 102 > Maybe levels of education would be more meaningful, since the difference here in IQ points predicts nothing about potential intelligence. Do you have stats on education levels attained handy? Regards, Dan V ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] 4 more years
Gustl, Very well said and do not forget the most common one, that if you criticize a women, you are a male chauvinist pig. It is a sad debate tactic, used by the ones who do not have a valid arguments. The principle is the same as preemptive attack and have little to do with facts, as we have seen in the latest strategies in Iraq. Hakan At 03:37 PM 11/6/2004, you wrote: Hallo Jonathan, Thursday, 04 November, 2004, 23:07:47, you wrote: Our problem is that we are having trouble coming together as a species right now. I do see that it is getting slowly better and better, but very slowly. People are so slow to understand and quick to anger. If someone criticizes theactions of the Republicans they are automatically labelled a "liberal". I someone criticizes the actions of the Israeli zionists they are labelled "anti-semitic". I a white man criticizes the actions of a black man they are labelled "racist". Without even giving a thought to it, without rational and unbiased examination, without even a care as to the validity of the criticism. What appears to be happening is that folks are not so much concerned with the correctness of the proposition, but rather with their winning the argument at any cost. "My side wins." How sorry is that? What about truth wins, right wins, morality wins? For myself, I like it when I am proven wrong about something because that gives me the opportunity to change my beliefs and position to be more in line with what is right and true. I don't like being wrong about things and am more than willing to adjust to what is right. I don't think a lot of folks are like that. It seems that somehow they have more of an investment in winning the argument than in really being right. Competition has its limits and drawbacks and is over rated. Given the choice between cooperation and competition I would choose cooperation. A person has to want to understand before a rational conversation, discussion or argument can get underway. Over in a neighboring town there is a guy who refuses to understand anyone who disagrees with him. I have spoken with him and I get more and more simple in my explainations to the point where a child could understand what I am saying and he refuses to understand because he would then "lose" his position and it would force him to change and he is unwilling to to this. We just need to keep on trying, and for those of us believing in such things, praying, and have faith that a brighter and better day will come. And yes, friend, peace to us all. Happy Happy, Gustl JD> Man... JD> "Dubya"??? JD> "Unite" = join, fuse, mix, bone, Come together· I could go on and on· JD> If We as a Country do not Unite is some way then we as a Country are weak. We all do not have to agree on every issue. That is the very thing that makes this Country unique. Remember· Freedom of JD> speech, religious conviction· JD> Look· The only thing I want to get across is that I did not like the out come of this election. However, as an American, I feel that we all must seek some sort of common ground. JD> Without it, I donât see us moving forward. The past is just that! The past. We need to learn from it and move forward. JD> Peace to us all, JD> Jonathan JD> Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JD> on 11/4/04 4:06 PM, Jonathan Dunlap at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I believe I understand what you are saying here. However, we >> as citizens of this United States of America must unite not >> only under this President for the next four years, but under >> every one that follows after him. ?United We Stand? >> Divided We Fall?. >> >> JD> I will never "unite" (whatever that means) with anyone "under" Dubya JD> or any other jerk who may come along. If that means we "fall" (whatever JD> THAT means), sobeit. JD> California oughta be a separate country anyway -- I'd hardly call that JD> "falling". -K -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___
Re: [Biofuel] Pump Trucks
Jeremy, That's pretty broad question. What are your needs and goals? Anything can be built new and custom. Perhaps an used bulk delivery truck used by fuel suppliers and farmers coops may fit your needs. A quick and dirty one could consist of a 1 ton dually with manual tranny with a PTO hung off the side of it operate a roper or raven rubber geared gear pump. The tank could be just a plain old farm over head fuel thank, that would be thrill to drive, I doubt they baffles. Doug - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Pump Trucks Does anyone have any information on pump trucks to pump WVO like who makes them or where they can be acquired. Or even plans on how to convert a regular truck to one? Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.784 / Virus Database: 530 - Release Date: 10/28/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Pump Trucks
old septic system truck as it's tanker. I would look for a used attack pumper. ours is a regular pickup truck that has a 500 gallon tank and a 500GPM pump on it (if you leave the full hand line on it you have about enough water in the tank to fill up the hose before your supply needs to be there vol of the hand line is 326 gallons) and an excellent tool body at that. also lots of those things are diesel so you can run it on the good stuff. there is usually a big opening at the rear of the truck that lets you dump all of your tank in a matter of a few seconds (may not be useful but that would be a good method of dealing with tailgaters) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63735&item=4501710160&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63735&item=2498289628&rd=1 if you want to spend the $$$ for the good stuff: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63735&item=4500726325&rd=1 here is a septic truck: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63743&item=4501635747&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Legal Eagle wrote: One would suspect that any company that deals with waste removal, as in outhouses, would have that info as that is what they use, pump trucks, yuk! However, there are gizmos out there specifically made for WVO pumping from a 12V outlet, but that would depend on what kind of volume you are speaking of, definetly not pump truck volume. Luc - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Pump Trucks Does anyone have any information on pump trucks to pump WVO like who makes them or where they can be acquired. Or even plans on how to convert a regular truck to one? Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry Won
neighborhoods. I was in Ohio for the election and the precinct that I was working (Bexley) was a rich neighborhood and they used the electronic voting machines. in the poor neighborhoods (2000s Cleveland ave) they were using the punch cards. Keith Addison wrote: When they say that most of the "spoiled" ballots are from poor, minority areas, etc., are they saying that those poor, disadvantaged people are too stupid to know how to vote? That's the kind of feeling I get when I read this article, and if I was a black man, I think I would be offended by the insinuation that my ballot was "spoiled" because I didn't know how to vote. That's not what it's saying Jeff, quite the opposite. You didn't read the links. It really didn't matter whether they knew how to vote or not, they were excluded no matter what they did. Best wishes Keith Original Message Follows From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Kerry Won Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 01:03:11 +0900 http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1104-36.htm Published on Thursday, November 4, 2004 by TomPaine.com Kerry Won by Greg Palast Kerry won. Here's the facts. I know you don't want to hear it. You can't face one more hung chad. But I don't have a choice. As a journalist examining that messy sausage called American democracy, it's my job to tell you who got the most votes in the deciding states. Tuesday, in Ohio and New Mexico, it was John Kerry. Most voters in Ohio thought they were voting for Kerry. CNN's exit poll showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women by 53 percent to 47 percent. Kerry also defeated Bush among Ohio's male voters 51 percent to 49 percent. Unless a third gender voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state. So what's going on here? Answer: the exit polls are accurate. Pollsters ask, "Who did you vote for?" Unfortunately, they don't ask the crucial, question, "Was your vote counted?" The voters don't know. Here's why. Although the exit polls show that most voters in Ohio punched cards for Kerry-Edwards, thousands of these votes were simply not recorded. This was predictable and it was predicted. [See TomPaine.com, "An Election Spoiled Rotten," November 1.] http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20041101/002260.html Once again, at the heart of the Ohio uncounted vote game are, I'm sorry to report, hanging chads and pregnant chads, plus some other ballot tricks old and new. The election in Ohio was not decided by the voters but by something called "spoilage." Typically in the United States, about 3 percent of the vote is voided, just thrown away, not recorded. When the bobble-head boobs on the tube tell you Ohio or any state was won by 51 percent to 49 percent, don't you believe it ... it has never happened in the United States, because the total never reaches a neat 100 percent. The television totals simply subtract out the spoiled vote. And not all vote spoil equally. Most of those votes, say every official report, come from African American and minority precincts. (To learn more, click here.) http://www.civilrightsproject.harvard.edu/research/electoral_reform/r e sidual_ballot.php We saw this in Florida in 2000. Exit polls showed Gore with a plurality of at least 50,000, but it didn't match the official count. That's because the official, Secretary of State Katherine Harris, excluded 179,855 spoiled votes. In Florida, as in Ohio, most of these votes lost were cast on punch cards where the hole wasn't punched through completely-leaving a 'hanging chad,'-or was punched extra times. Whose cards were discarded? Expert statisticians investigating spoilage for the government calculated that 54 percent of the ballots thrown in the dumpster were cast by black folks. (To read the report from the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, click here .) http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2004/elect04.pdf And here's the key: Florida is terribly typical. The majority of ballots thrown out (there will be nearly 2 million tossed out from Tuesday's election) will have been cast by African American and other minority citizens. So here we go again. Or, here we don't go again. Because unlike last time, Democrats aren't even asking Ohio to count these cards with the not-quite-punched holes (called "undervotes" in the voting biz). Ohio is one of the last states in America to still use the vote-spoiling punch-card machines. And the Secretary of State of Ohio, J. Kenneth Blackwell, wrote before the election, "the possibility of a close election with punch cards as the state's primary voting device invites a Florida-like calamity." But this week, Blackwell, a rabidly partisan Republican, has warmed up to the result of sticking with machines that have a habit of eating Democratic votes. When asked if he feared being this year's Katherine Harris, Blackwell noted that Ms. Fix-it's efforts landed her a seat in Congress. Exac
Fw: [Biofuel] 1 micron filter
It is common to blend Biodiesel with regular Diesel fuel... I wonder if are there some other fuels and/or solvents compatible with the Biodiesel that can be blend with it besides regular Diesel fuel. Thanks, F ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Fly the fatty skies ( obesity increases pollution )
Hi Gregg, The engines can run biodiesel just fine at sealevel temperatures, the problem would be at cruising altitude and the sub zero temperatures encountered there causing the fuel to gel . Jet fuel is esentialy diesel but with a much lower cloud point. Regards Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gregg Davidson Sent: Sunday, 7 November 2004 9:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Fly the fatty skies ( obesity increases pollution ) I was pondering an idea a couple of days ago when I heard how much more the airlines must pay for jet fuel: Is it possible to convert the engines to use Biodiesel? Just a rambling thought on my part. Gregg Davidson http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ over weight people and higher fuel consumtion ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] 4 more years -- State IQ and Election Results
> I've heard that they are bogus, but the person who told me > spent the time to research accurate figures and the following > analysis. > > "So, that last graphic turned out to be taken from an old > hoax, circa 2000. But, curious, I dug up the real data. So, > here it is. And there's a numerical correlation of 26.7% > between IQ and margin of victory for Kerry. Meaning that > 26.7% of how much a state voted for Bush, statistically > speaking, can be explained by related to their collective IQ. > It's important to note that correlation does not imply causation. > But there is a legitimate relationship there, numerically. Chris -- Ask this person what math he/she used to arrive at that correlation. While you're at it, see if you can determine his/her credentials as a statistician. Remember --> There are lies; damned lies; and then, there are statistics. The site I provided (http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQstates.htm) has a link to more reasonable numbers. There are numbers that are based around elementary school testing (reading and math) and sets based around SAT/ACT data. The results really aren't that compelling. Bush states come in with an average of 99, Kerry states with an average of 101. An interesting fact of note -- southern states, with larger minority groups, typically have lower IQ averages and typically vote Democrat. Even they did not vote for Kerry. For that matter, Edwards' home state didn't fall in line with the ticket. Of course, the losing side is just claiming foul play -- disenfranchisement, challengers, lost ballots, hanging chads, and so forth. The Democrats also lost further control of congress and other political seats -- even Daschle was unseated. In the end, the Democrats just went with the wrong candidate; had they gone with Dean, Bush would not be getting a second term. Kerry States: District of Columbia95 Delaware99 Hawaii 99 California 100 Maine 100 New Jersey 100 Pennsylvania100 Rhode Island100 Maryland101 Michigan101 New York101 Connecticut 102 Illinois102 Minnesota 102 Washington 102 Oregon 103 New Hampshire 104 Vermont 102 Massachusetts 103 Wisconsin 103 Bush States: Mississippi 94 South Carolina 94 New Mexico 96 Alabama 97 Georgia 97 Kentucky97 Louisiana 97 North Carolina 97 Tennessee 97 Texas 97 Florida 98 Arkansas98 Indiana 99 Arizona 100 Idaho 100 Nevada 100 South Dakota100 Virginia100 West Virginia 100 Alaska 101 Missouri101 Ohio101 Utah101 Wyoming 101 Colorado102 Iowa102 Kansas 102 Montana 102 Nebraska102 North Dakota102 Oklahoma102 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Hot water heater processor help
pardon me Luc, but could you expand on the reference to hemp below? are you referring to the pitch that was made from the oil as a sealant etc? and what time period and country was this in? just curious, thanks, -terri. On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:35:06 -0500 "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > - Original Message - > From: "Jeremy & Tracy Longworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 7:53 PM > Subject: [Biofuel] Hot water heater processor help > > > You can always snoop mine. It may not be exactly what you wnat but > it could > provide some ideas. > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor12.html > I would get the leak fixed and go with the 80. > Dale Scoggins, the originator of the water heater as a processor > idea, did > just that. > http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html He explains why his > looks so > funky. > > > I am in the process of assembling a hot water heater processor. > > I have two hot water heaters one is a 12 gal. and the other is an > 80 gal. > The problem, from all that I have been able to accumulate, is that > the > galvanized pipes contain zinc, and zinc reacts negatively with > biodiesel, > which is why most opt for black iron fittings, but you can just as > easily > use copper except that that will drive the costs up big time. Do not > solder, > use the threaded type only as the solder may also contain zinc :) > The black iron is so much cheeper as well as being BD friendly, so > why not > just go with that ? > I had to hunt around a bit to find a place that carried it in varied > enough > selections but I did find one. It is easy to work with and will not > react > negatively with your fuel. Just remember to use plumbing tape on the > threads > clockwise :) In some places they do not have that nice pre-packaged > teflon > tape and so they still use hemp as plumbers used to do here too > along time > ago (my age is showing,ha!) Pointer: except for the methoxide > delivery make > everything else 3/4in. 3/4 is the default for water heaters anyway, > so it > just kinda flows. I reduced my glycerine drain to 1/2 but I am > thinking of > going to 3/4 for that as well. Do not use garden hose taps for > anything as . above, several lines. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Pump Trucks
You can use a sewer pump truck, there is a place in Washington state that sells them. Jeremy Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Does anyone have any information on pump trucks to pump WVO like who makes them or where they can be acquired. Or even plans on how to convert a regular truck to one? Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing
hello. just another environmentally friendly glue: - Tanzania industrial research and development organization (TIRDO) in collaboration with FORINTEC of Canada developed a water resistant (up to boiling) glue ideal for plywood and particleboard manufacturing. main ingredients being cashewnut shell liquid and wattle tannin, while other additives being urea-formaldehyde (UF), coconut shell flour and castor oil. the product was applied at a particleboard factory and performed to satisfaction. more details can be enquired from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lugano Friedrich Friesinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Luis, the cheapest Glue would probably a Kaseinglue be! 9parts withe chease and one part chalk mixed with water and thinned out well! Bone and hideglue is fairly easy to make,but i would have to look up some of my books for the recepie Fritz - Original Message - From: "CONTACTOS MUNDIALES" To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing > Dear Burak: > > Many thanks for your interesting post. I wonder if you could suggest which > glue formula to use for > the saw dust fuel logs. > > Perhaps you could throw in some more ideas. > > Very best wishes, > > Luis R. Calzadilla > Contactos Mundiales USA > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fly the fatty skies ( obesity increases pollution )
John Peggy wrote: Another comment about the larger people: The amazing weight gains make flying the inexpensive flights interesting in another way. You can really rub shin again and again when seated next to an obese person. Rubbing skin with a stranger is really strange. It bugs me to tuck in my arms and still be skin to skin with the next person when I don't even know the name. Peggy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re. PH test strips
i get my litmus paper from a local fish tank suply store. you might want to try any local shop that sells salt water fish and tank suplys ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fly the fatty skies ( obesity increases pollution )
While possible, it is not likely probable. I say this because of the BTU value of JP-8 verses BioDiesel.Jet fuel has a higher energy density, than BioDiesel, so if using BioDiesel in a jet aircraft, it would take more, in order to fly the same distance, in turn, the weight of the extra fuel and would require more fuel to move the extra fuel. What I would like to see, is a BioFuel, that has the same energy density ( or higher ) as Diesel #2, with the same lubrication and fuel system cleaning properties as BioDiesel.If someone could come up with such a BioFuel, I bet, that faster ( not to mention more wide spread ) acceptance of the BioFuel, than BioDiesel is now. Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Gregg Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 16:36 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Fly the fatty skies ( obesity increases pollution ) > I was pondering an idea a couple of days ago when I heard how much more the airlines must pay for jet fuel: Is it possible to convert the engines to use Biodiesel? Just a rambling thought on my part. > > Gregg Davidson > > Ken Riznyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A second comment. Yes the extra weight takes more jet > fuel, but what about all the extra petroleum products > used to grow and transport the extra food that is > eaten. I don't know how to calculate it but I am sure > that if everyone ate a sensible diet much more fuel > would be saved. > Ken > --- Peggy wrote:. > > > Another comment about the larger people: The amazing > > weight gains make > > flying the inexpensive flights interesting in > > another way. You can > > really rub shin again and again when seated next to > > an obese person. > > Rubbing skin with a stranger is really strange. It > > bugs me to tuck in > > my arms and still be skin to skin with the next > > person when I don't even > > know the name. > > > > Peggy > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Greg Harbican > > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:30 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [Biofuel] Fly the fatty skies ( obesity > > increases pollution ) > > > > Obesity hurts more than the people with the extra > > weight. > > > > Greg H. > > > > > > > -- > > > > Feds: Obesity Raising Airline Fuel Costs > > > > November 4, 2004 08:57 PM EST > > > > > > ATLANTA - Heavy suitcases aren't the only things > > weighing down airplanes > > and requiring them to burn more fuel, pushing up the > > cost of flights. A > > new government study reveals that airlines > > increasingly have to worry > > more about the weight of their passengers. > > > > America's growing waistlines are hurting the bottom > > lines of airline > > companies as the extra pounds on passengers are > > causing a drag on > > planes. Heavier fliers have created heftier fuel > > costs, according to the > > government study. > > > > Through the 1990s, the average weight of Americans > > increased by 10 > > pounds, according to the Centers for Disease Control > > and Prevention. The > > extra weight caused airlines to spend $275 million > > to burn 350 million > > more gallons of fuel in 2000 just to carry the > > additional weight of > > Americans, the federal agency estimated in a recent > > issue of the > > American Journal of Preventive Medicine. > > > > "The obesity epidemic has unexpected consequences > > beyond direct health > > effects," said Dr. Deron Burton of the CDC. "Our > > goal was to highlight > > one area that had not been looked at before." > > > > The extra fuel burned also had an environmental > > impact, as an estimated > > 3.8 million extra tons of carbon dioxide were > > released into the air, > > according to the study. > > > > The agency said its calculations are rough > > estimates, issued to > > highlight previously undocumented consequences of > > the ongoing obesity > > epidemic. > > > > The estimates were calculated by determining how > > much fuel the 10 extra > > pounds of weight per passenger represented in > > Department of > > Transportation airline statistics, Burton said. > > > > Obesity is a life-or-death struggle in the United > > States, the underlying > > cause of 400,000 deaths in 2000, a 33 percent jump > > from 1990. If current > > trends persist, it will become the nation's No. 1 > > cause of preventable > > death, the CDC said earlier this year. > > > > More than half - 56 percent - of U.S. adults were > > overweight or obese in > > the early 1990s, according to a CDC survey. That > > rose to 65 percent in a > > similar survey done from 1999 to 2002. > > > > Although the Air Transport Association of America > > has not yet validated > > the CDC data, spokesman Jack Evans said the health > > agency's appraisal > > "does not sound out of the realm of reality." > > > > With most airlines reporting lo
RE: [Biofuel] Pump Trucks
Harbor freight has pumps that will pump oil as well as Northern Hydraulics A 12 volt pump for oil is around 125 dollars for the cheapy and 250 to 400 for a very high quality one mel -Original Message- From: Legal Eagle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 5:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pump Trucks One would suspect that any company that deals with waste removal, as in outhouses, would have that info as that is what they use, pump trucks, yuk! However, there are gizmos out there specifically made for WVO pumping from a 12V outlet, but that would depend on what kind of volume you are speaking of, definetly not pump truck volume. Luc - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Pump Trucks Does anyone have any information on pump trucks to pump WVO like who makes them or where they can be acquired. Or even plans on how to convert a regular truck to one? Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Very Cold Weather Biodiesel
While pondering the cold weather use of biodiesel I was struck by a curious thought. Could it not be possible to fit a WVO/SVO second tank system in a car but instead of running WVO in it for the winter to fill the second tank with biodiesel which would be heated with the circulating heat and fill the tank with dino loaded with aditives ? Of course it is not the best solution as it still uses dino, but it would be for three months at most and only in the coldest of winter climates where additives like Wintron XC30 isn't sufficient.(-20 to -30C / 4 to 22 below F) Even treated dino has some trouble at these temps, so any thoughts? Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
