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I hd make my 1st batch bd and I think I failed.
I make bd from RBD palm oil.
I think it is failed because I washed it 10 times in a bottle and I
still can't see through the oil under sun light. Futhermore, I found
some white little particle floating in my oil. Is it lye?
Yes, water and oil did
Helo Keith and all our list members
Wind energy is also important bioenergy and thank a lot Keith
bringing the very interesting information as this can make possivel
to come out with the inovative design
sd
Pannirselvam
On 7/21/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pannirselvam,
I tried to suggest a mass produced wind turbine that is not sensitive to
location and could be very cheap. Connected to the grid in a normal wall
socket, to spin the meter backwards or sell electricity. Using Darrieus
Rotor design for security and to be able to place almost any
Greetings,
If you talk to a reputable gas man, the orifice for methane is the same one
used for propane, not Natural gas. Also, the pressure of the gas through
the regulator is the same for propane and methane, but natural gas is
different again. To use homemade methane, use propane
Um, wait a minute here, natural gas is methane, and there is a
difference between an orifice for natural gas (methane) and one for
propane.
Garth Kim Travis wrote:
Greetings,
If you talk to a reputable gas man, the orifice for methane is the same
one used for propane, not Natural gas.
Greetings,
This is correct. Appliances come in either natural gas or propane models
and the orifice is part of the reason. The other reason is the pressure
requirements for the regulators. The appliances can be changed to burn
the other fuel, if you make the change in the orifice and
Sounds more like soap. What's the PH?
Liwa Low wrote:
I hd make my 1st batch bd and I think I failed.
I make bd from RBD palm oil.
I think it is failed because I washed it 10 times in a bottle and I
still can't see through the oil under sun light. Futhermore, I found
some white little
Also, did you titrate it? I usually titrate and run a small batch or
2. It's also useful to buy a liter of SVO and practice for the 1st
batch. Good luck!
Liwa Low wrote:
I hd make my 1st batch bd and I think I failed.
I make bd from RBD palm oil.
I think it is failed because I washed it
So now I'm confused. Is the orifice for methane the same as natural gas
or the same as propane. It looks like claims have been made for both
cases here/
Garth Kim Travis wrote:
Greetings,
This is correct. Appliances come in either natural gas or propane
models and the orifice is part
I think we can assume that a Turd Blossom is a good source of wind ;-)
S. Chapin wrote:
Regarding Amb. Wilson's political affilliation, and present bent
against present administration.
Wilson voted for Bush in 2000, which I suspect he regretted soon
after. But again, this is not the point.
Doesn't NG have some small percentage of ethane, propane and butane
mixed in as well? This would presumably increase the energy desnity over
straight methane.
Also, while I think of it, isn't biogas closer to a 50:50 mix of methane
and CO2, with, as you say, some trace impurities? Reason I
Greetings,
Bio methane and propane use the same orifice, store bought natural gas uses
a different one. The pressure of the system and the regulator are also
different.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
At 08:16 AM 7/21/2005, you wrote:
So now I'm confused. Is the orifice for methane the same as natural
Father is from Arkansas, Grandfather from Texas, still get back for
visits. It's full of blockheads except for Austin!
Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote:
Hallo Mike,
Tuesday, 19 July, 2005, 14:32:09, you wrote:
MW As a sort of Texan,
OK, is the question, Does that mean you are from
I did sell all my stock in UC after that - as a matter of fact I am
having a hard time trying to invest responsibly. Anyone have suggestions?
Keith Addison wrote:
Hello Mike
How was the Bhopal case handled?
It wasn't handled at all, it was grossly mishandled and is still being
grossly
Greetings,
Thanks!
The Houston Renewable Energy group does as much as the Austin group
does. And there are many of us that are sustainable farmers. We have a
large strictly grass fed group of farmers, locally. We now have legal raw
milk sales. Lots of good things that are not happening in
Invest in yourself. The rate of return is much higher.
Todd Swearingen
Mike Weaver wrote:
I did sell all my stock in UC after that - as a matter of fact I am
having a hard time trying to invest responsibly. Anyone have
suggestions?
Keith Addison wrote:
Hello Mike
How was the Bhopal
Oops! That was a stupid throw away on my part. I really did not mean
that all Texans are blockheads. I've spend enough time there and have
enough family there that I've noticed what I call Texas-head. Big
cars, big hair, oil is GREAT and let's not forget Kay Bailey Hutchinson.
- quote Kay
I tried that, but then I embezzled the money and now Eliot Spitzer is
after me!
Appal Energy wrote:
Invest in yourself. The rate of return is much higher.
Todd Swearingen
Mike Weaver wrote:
I did sell all my stock in UC after that - as a matter of fact I am
having a hard time trying to
Hi,
As I've found it nearly impossible buy small (1-2 litres) amounts of
pure methanol here, in Poland, I've taken closer look at model fuels.
They mostly contain methanol (40-85%), castor oil, EDL synthetic oil
and additions.
Now, castor oil might be even good. EDL definately not - luckily not
I am seriously working on developing a commercial
large scale bio diesel plant and am at the very early stages. at this point I am
sourcing large scale biodiesel systems. I need your help-Is one system better
than amnother? ie. Cost , output, system config etc. I am lookign for the
overall
Howdy John,
commercial natural gas has to meet certain standards (API) for
transmission via pipeline. I think there may be something like 2 per
cent ethane and negligible amounts of higher alkanes (the higher alkanes
are separated by simply cooling the gas) also moisture and CO2 content
are
I recently inherited some stock- the usual portfolio of stuff. I am
looking for a socially relevant investment company, but I really don't
know what I am doing. see for example
http://www.domini.com/
http://www.calvertgroup.com/
http://www.paxworld.com/?rt=REF_gaw2
Yeah... but what happens when a tornado finds 15,000 feet of cable suspended
in the air, Keith? would all that cable such the life out of the tornado or
will the tornado take the cable and move across the countryside swinging the
cable like a monster string trimmer? :) Anyway as another pointed
Thanks for posting Keith, interesting to read from the technical, not that
there are a lot of DYI details, side of things and from how the author
speaks of those persons who built them; This much is certain, that they are
put up by our best citizens, and not by the worst, and by a stable, and not
Hi Rafal,
Maybe this model-fuel is meant for 2takt engines,
and thats whats the mixed-in oil is for?
If it's only oil, you mite be able ( if you've got equipment)
to distill the methanol out of it;
but is this stuff water free?
And I'm afraid that modelairplain-fuel is way to expensive
Not to cause a problem, but, most of the time, the fuel bought at stores is
Propane ( sometimes MAPP gas or even Butane ) not NG.NG requires special
handling procedures and compressors, that are not common except at NG
terminals ( this is part of why NG powered cars are few and far between ).
One
plant just opened in Salem, Oregon. I believe the annual output is around 1
million gallons a year. A second, much larger plant is being built in Portland,
Oregon, due to open in November. The one in Salem uses WVO from a large potato
chip maker.
Mario
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I have been mixing my own model airplane engine fuel for the last 12 years
or so. I normally use 70% methanol, 10% nitro methane (as an igniter) and
20% oil of various make ups. I eschew castor because it gums things up
unless it is hot and can render an expensive 4-stroke engine useless due to
Mr. Wooton,
I am thinking of setting-up a similar venture in West Africa. Please
keep me in mind on your findings. Can I call you?
If so, what time?
Thanks,
Pa Kanu
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(301) 919-3382
Todd Wootton wrote:
I am seriously working on developing
a commercial large scale
Hello Todd
I am seriously working on developing a commercial large scale bio
diesel plant and am at the very early stages. at this point I am
sourcing large scale biodiesel systems. I need your help-Is one
system better than amnother? ie. Cost , output, system config etc.
I am lookign for
Anyway as another pointed out hurricanes and tornadoes events are so brief
and
unpredictable to seriously consider them as a power source.
tornadoes certainly are unpredictable, but hurricanes follow a much more
regular pattern; they last around 10 days (a little less?) from beginning to
end,
Thanks for the link Keith. I am prototyping a carousel or as they called it "Merry-Go-Round"
It isn't clear to me how they operated the shutters in figures 4 and 5. Figure 35 is a type of phoenician windmill except the Phoenicians used a stone wall and thus only one wind direction was accomodated.
Hi Greg, all
It's interesting you mention:
Bio Methane generally has to be scrubbed of CO2 and H2S, before it is
useable in any great amount, but, once the H2S and CO2 have been removed,
Bio Methane can be used just like NG (at lower pressure unless you use a
compressor to raise the pressure).
Perhaps, but, what path will a hurricane follow?
Not even NOAA, can guess more than 10 minutes out with any major degree of
accuracy.For that matter, anything more than about an hour, has a very
large margin of error, and even then the hurricane can still do something
unexpected.
Greg H.
On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 11:39:30AM -0500, James G. Branaum wrote:
I have been mixing my own model airplane engine fuel for the last 12 years
or so. I normally use 70% methanol, 10% nitro methane (as an igniter) and
20% oil of various make ups. I eschew castor because it gums things up
unless
On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 06:30:57PM +0200, Bruno M. wrote:
Hi Rafal,
Maybe this model-fuel is meant for 2takt engines,
and thats whats the mixed-in oil is for?
Yes, it is typical 2-stroke engine fuel.
If it's only oil, you mite be able ( if you've got equipment)
to distill the methanol
i suspect that the lines running from the biogas pit to the storage could beset up kind of like a stil, toremove the water vapor by cooling.
best,
-chris
Malcolm wrote:
Would water vapour inthe gas cause problems should it also be removed? Or is all this notneeded when using it as a single
that's not so big a problem. hurricanes cover thousands of square milesof area. it's just a matter of shaping your approach according to those variables.
-chris
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Invest in yourself. The rate of return is much higher.
Todd Swearingen
Wise words Todd.
Ryan
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Indeed -- invest in a 100,000 gallon tank of safflower oil or
ethanol underground in the back forty, or maybe a warehouse
full of Mobil 1 motor oil:-)
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I've seen posts from a methaneman on other lists. He seemed to have
done a great deal of work with methane digesters. I'm intrigued, but
I have not had time to pursue it yet. I have not been able to follow
this much and I can't find the link to his web site any more. Good
luck.
John
Hi
Indeed -- invest in a 100,000 gallon tank of safflower oil or
ethanol underground in the back forty, or maybe a warehouse
full of Mobil 1 motor oil:-)
Make sure to nitrogen pack the former.
Ken Provost wrote:
Invest in yourself. The rate of return is much higher.
Todd
The machine to harvest the energy is a capital investment and when you consider the utilization factor the cost of the harvested energy is not competitive. Solar tends to be more reliable than aeolian,
Kirk[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
that's not so big a problem. hurricanes cover thousands of
on 7/21/05 6:21 PM, Kirk McLoren at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The machine to harvest the energy is a capital investment and when you
consider the utilization factor the cost of the harvested energy is not
competitive.
Payback period is the most widely used measure for evaluating potential
no argument here. but that wasn't the point.
yet at the same time, it was. i mean, if we were to let such considerations
determine our actions--let alone what we are willing to think or imagine--we
wouldn't all be on this list, would we? ;›)
cheers,
-chris b.
on 7/21/05 6:21 PM, Kirk
Biofuels are probably cheaper than petro. When you include the costs of the military in a barrel of mideast oil the real cost is not the quoted one.
The environmental costs are real as well. Unfortunately they are paid in sickness and reduced life -- and usually by the poorest members of
on 7/21/05 8:00 PM, Kirk McLoren at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think what I am trying to say is we are on this list because of the costs of
conventional technology and business paradigms. There has to be a better way,
especially if mankind is to prosper.
To be sure. The idea that the
I buy my methanol in bulk at the local representative of the refinery. I
strongly suspect is probably not available in your area. I also don't think
you want to use it unless you make it yourself. That probably will take
some special licensing as your product could be mistaken for a very highly
For the most part, the earth is a closed system. Fossil fuels are a
product of plants. When we burn them we return the CO2 to the
environment from which the came. Releasing the so called green house
gases that would return us to the green house effect that was
responsible for the prolific
Kirk,
We will always have problems with the US payback times. Look at Iraq,
According to the Geneva convention, US and UK have the responsibility to
create a safe environment for its inhabitants. Instead they created an
unsafe environment and by that allowed and encouraged their troops to
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