Re: [Biofuel] C-SPAN

2005-09-12 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Why is this source so ignored when it produces over 3 gallons for every one expended? I suspect that a analysis of whether more soybean or corn farms are owned by small family operations, or by large mega-farms might shed some like on this. I seem to remember some report that suggested that alot

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-12 Thread David Miller
Kirk McLoren wrote: Sometimes engineering proposals are just gee whiz stuff. Just to show that you are capable of thinking outside the box. They don't have to have much to do with practicality. The hazard to air navigation is enough to scuttle this idea let alone the liability

[Biofuel] trying to learn to make biodiesel

2005-09-12 Thread kent snyder
have tried 2 batches in a blender. think I've got both results the same. paying closer attention the second time. using new corn oil w/red devil lye and dry gas for methanol in a blender. my results are at first 2 very thin layers on top. the top layera darker brown, the second layer is clear,

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-12 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I was trying to theorize on what using a 100% ethanol fuel would be like. From MH's experience, it seems pretty obvious that 10% or even 25% ethanol has no ill effects and could actually run in unmodified gas engine better than 100% gasoline. I wanted to add to the reply below. . . Zeke Yewdall

[Biofuel] Giving up

2005-09-12 Thread Brent S
well, I have found a batch of oil that won't sepparate. I have heated it to 220f to make sure there isn't any water in it. It has been at 220f for an hour or so with no boiling. I have titrated it several times with a result of 5. I have made test batches at 5, 7, 8, 9 and 10 grams per litre

Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?

2005-09-12 Thread Doug Memering
My company has been doing some testing with regard to shelf life of Biodiesel. This driven mainly by the debate going on between European and North American standards bodies. ASTM 6571 does not address fuel stability, but the European tests for stability will really only pass BD made from

Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel

2005-09-12 Thread Manick Harris
Hello Dr.Pannirselvam/Subramaniam, I read that many small scale enterprises are encouraged in India, with tax exemption. If project funding can be arranged somewhere in Chennai or any other suitable place with proper allowances I could come there tohelp outin ethanolof ethanol and wood

Re: [Biofuel] More pork for Halliburton, Bechtel and Shaw

2005-09-12 Thread Mike Weaver
Slim and none... Richard Littrell wrote: Me too. I thought this only happened at the UN. Say, what do you suppose the chances are that Bush will ask Paul Volker to lead an independnet investigation of Halliburton? :-) Rick Mike Weaver wrote: I'm shocked, shocked, to find out that

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-12 Thread Mike Weaver
Sparc IPX anyone? TarynToo wrote: Oh...doh...fooled me. I was looking forward to hearing all the good dirt... Mostly I blow my money maintaining my museum of ancient Mac, BSD, Solaris, Linux Boxen. Foolishly, I gave away my CBM PETs and C64s, but I still have my KIM1! Taryn

Re: [Biofuel] Giving up

2005-09-12 Thread Mike Weaver
My experience is to spend more time looking for oil you can work with than trying to crack iffy oil... Brent S wrote: well, I have found a batch of oil that won't sepparate. I have heated it to 220f to make sure there isn't any water in it. It has been at 220f for an hour or so with no

Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?

2005-09-12 Thread Mike Weaver
FWIW I have algae blooms in some leftover BD I found cleaning up. I left it outside w/ a loose lid for a year... Doug Memering wrote: My company has been doing some testing with regard to shelf life of Biodiesel. This driven mainly by the debate going on between European and North American

Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?

2005-09-12 Thread Tomas Juknevicius
Doug Memering wrote: snip This limits oxidation to a level that probably won't be noticeable. Of course, if you really want to keep it a long time you can displace the air in the container with nitrogen and then it will keep for a long time, this is something of course that only the

[Biofuel] Biodiesel shelf life - energy extraction

2005-09-12 Thread Andy Karpay
I suspect the mis-information is from dapplers, who do not know the difference between biodiesel, WVO, SVO - as I hear from many people talking. A comment on extracting energy from tides, wind etc: I have thought about the results of energy extraction from earth generated sources. While

Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?

2005-09-12 Thread bob allen
Hey, just drink the beer, add a little bratwurst and baked beans and you have a source of biomethane to displace the air. : -) Tomas Juknevicius wrote: Doug Memering wrote: snip This limits oxidation to a level that probably won't be noticeable. Of course, if you really want to keep

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-12 Thread MH
Zeke Yewdall wrote: I was trying to theorize on what using a 100% ethanol fuel would be like. From MH's experience, it seems pretty obvious that 10% or even 25% ethanol has no ill effects and could actually run in unmodified gas engine better than 100% gasoline. Thats OK Zeke. I

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-12 Thread MH
Zeke Yewdall wrote: I was trying to theorize on what using a 100% ethanol fuel would be like. From MH's experience, it seems pretty obvious that 10% or even 25% ethanol has no ill effects and could actually run in unmodified gas engine better than 100% gasoline. Most of the time during the

Re: [Biofuel] Giving up

2005-09-12 Thread des
Brent S wrote: well, I have found a batch of oil that won't sepparate. I have heated it to 220f to make sure there isn't any water in it. It has been at 220f for an hour or so with no boiling. I have titrated it several times with a result of 5. I have made test batches at 5, 7, 8, 9 and 10

Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?

2005-09-12 Thread Tomas Juknevicius
bob allen wrote: Hey, just drink the beer, add a little bratwurst and baked beans and you have a source of biomethane to displace the air. : -) -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Hey, you got it wrong :) we can just compress this biomethane and use it as a source of fuel. CNG, you

Re: [Biofuel] Giving up

2005-09-12 Thread Zeke Yewdall
It could be hydrogenated oil of some sort. This makes lousy WVO, because it stay so thick at relatively high temperatures. We just avoid it. On 9/12/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My experience is to spend more time looking for oil you can work with than trying to crack iffy oil...

Re: [Biofuel] C-SPAN to co-ops

2005-09-12 Thread Rob Hayes
How about that sunken barge which is holding up New Orleans shipping of grain? I understand that corn is filling up all the elevators and available barges and soybeans are coming in soon. If the repairs can be delayed long enough the low prices might collapse several more coops. This is

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-12 Thread Joe Street
Zeke; Activated alumina or zeolite will remove the water. One source I know of is companies like Kurt J. Lesker, Alcatel, Leybold and Pfeifer who are a supplier for industries that use high vacuum. The material is sold for foreline traps also known as a molecular sieve. The alumina can be

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-12 Thread Leon Hulett
I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in California back in the 80s on Wind Energy Systems in the Jet Stream to see if they were interested. I had visited their Solar One Site and thought they might like to do something with wind. What would you like to know? Leon L. Hulett, PE [Original

Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?

2005-09-12 Thread Kirk McLoren
Yes but having to leave the window open costs more fuel than you can make.bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, just drink the beer, add a little bratwurst and baked beans and you have a source of biomethane to displace the air. : -)Tomas Juknevicius wrote: Doug Memering wrote: This limits

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-12 Thread Kirk McLoren
The jet stream doesn't lay in a river bed like water. It undulates constantly and has seasonal migration. Nor is it pretty much everywhere. Pilots know and use this knowledge. Except for Federal preserves your vacant desert doesn't exist. On the other hand there are projects with a lot of

[Biofuel] Biodiesel verification

2005-09-12 Thread Kuba-tlen
Well, i have a question. Is there any way of checking my biodiesel "production". How can I confirm that the stuff I distilled is in fact a fuel. I mean the every method except pouring it into my car's tank and waiting what is going to happen. I will appreciate any advice in a matter.

Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel

2005-09-12 Thread Pannirselvam P.V
Dear Manick Here in Brasil we have E95 running and this can be impoted to any country who wish to develop and adopt the same in other country as well as flexivel ethanol and gasoline car We need to come out here in this list here to arrive ata a simple workable design and then there are

[Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft

2005-09-12 Thread Rumen Slavov
Hi all,Hi Felipe,Hi Mike Sorry,I have been working abroad for some time now without access to comp and net,so I missed the list. First of all,I deeply respect the efforts,made by the members of the Linux society all over the world,trying to make our life easier and less

Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel

2005-09-12 Thread Manick Harris
Dear Dr.Pannirselvam Yes, Madurai Ghandigram university will be finewith Dr.T.Karunakaran, if it could be arranged. Cheers Manickh"Pannirselvam P.V" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Manick Here in Brasil we have E95 running and this can be impoted to any country who wish to develop and adopt the

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-12 Thread Jan Warnqvist
Hello all. ethanol contains oxygen and will disturb the fuel/air ratio of the fuel. Engines with carburettor have to be adjusted to the proper CO level, since this value is the receipt of a proper combustion. Injected engines with catalytic cleaning usually have a range for adding more fuel to

[Biofuel] Restoring pipeline came first in MS

2005-09-12 Thread Paul S Cantrell
A story of the white house ordering that power be restored to power substations serving pipeline pumps in Mississippi and take priority over hospitals and water systems. Since when is gasoline diesel delivery 1500+ miles north more important than clean water and hospital care in the hours

Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?

2005-09-12 Thread Keith Addison
I can't seem to find it but, I thought that there WAS a recommendation on JtF to store BD for no long than a given time (I won't give the time frame that my memory serves in case I'm wrong) (the same time frame as for storing petro diesel). No? IIRC the NBB etc recommend no more than six

Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?

2005-09-12 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Doug My company has been doing some testing with regard to shelf life of Biodiesel. This driven mainly by the debate going on between European and North American standards bodies. ASTM 6571 does not address fuel stability, but the European tests for stability will really only pass BD made

Re: [Biofuel] All plastic processor

2005-09-12 Thread Bill Clark
Hi JJJN Marty, My first processor was made with PVC pipe. The glue fittings were no problem. The PVC screw fittings consistently became loose and since they were glued to other pipe, could not be tightened. All have been replaced with 304 stainless. Long runs are PEX and ag sprayer suction hose.

Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?

2005-09-12 Thread Zeke Yewdall
These people keep saying they read somewhere but they don't say where. We've had dozens of them. This citing of an unknown resource has actually been documented (by the movie Outfoxed) as a devious method of presenting opinion or non factual information without violating (at least in the letter

[Biofuel] Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes

2005-09-12 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0911-02.htm Published on Sunday, September 11, 2005 by Agence France Presse Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes A new draft US defense paper calls for preventive nuclear strikes against state and non-state adversaries in order to

[Biofuel] Energy Efficiency -- In Asia, Low Fuel Prices And Subsidies Lose Ground

2005-09-12 Thread Keith Addison
From: ECONOMIC REPORTING REVIEW By Dean Baker September 12, 2005 Energy Efficiency In Asia, Low Fuel Prices And Subsidies Lose Ground Keith Bradsher New York Times, September 7, 2005, Page C5 http://err.c.topica.com/maadYiMabkeXubnpHI6baeQBpp/ This article reports on how several Asian

[Biofuel] Sucker's Bets for the New Century

2005-09-12 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2005/09/planet_new_orleans.html Sucker's Bets for the New Century Commentary: The U.S. After Katrina By Bill McKibben September 7, 2005 If the images of skyscrapers collapsed in heaps of ash were the end of one story -- the U.S. safe on its

Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?

2005-09-12 Thread Mike Weaver
From everybody's *favorite* online source: http://www.biodiesel.org/markets/mar/default.asp in tests performed by the University of Idaho, biodiesel in an aqueous solution after 28 days was 95 percent degraded. Diesel fuel was only 40 percent degraded. In a second study done in an aquatic

Re: [Biofuel] Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes

2005-09-12 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0911-02.htm Published on Sunday, September 11, 2005 by Agence France Presse Draft US Defense Paper Outlines Preventive Nuclear Strikes Don't say I didn't warn you! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for

Re: [Biofuel] Bush: What didn't go right?

2005-09-12 Thread Richard Littrell
It also is related to a vote by slightly more than half of us - or at least slightly more than half of those whose votes were recorded. I remember in the wake of the election people saying "Why can't you let it go and come together behind the president? What are you so afraid will happen?"

Re: [Biofuel] Using stored co2 energy (was: Shooting Down the Breeze)

2005-09-12 Thread capt3d
chris l., i assure you i was not mistaken. wiring down the cork is no guarantee. even if it holds the cork, the bottle itself might explode. sparkling wines can be made by a number of methods. the more refined of which rely either upon very precise control of sugar content (so that at final

Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power

2005-09-12 Thread TarynToo
On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote: I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in California back in the 80s on Wind Energy Systems in the Jet Stream to see if they were interested. I had visited their Solar One Site and thought they might like to do something with wind. What