Re: [Biofuel] ethanol distillation
Helow Jonathan Water distillation is mainly concerned with evaporation and then condensation water vapor evaporated, where as alcohol still need to selectively seperate low volatile etanol using heat ,as well as can condense selectively the ethanol and hence need column.Thus water distiller can be mainly smalltank type ,less condensation problem ,where as ethanol still is column.Hence tey need to be diffrent in design , eventhouh they all envolve similar process as you outlined. We here do like the design for small scale equipment for sustainable biofuel process developments.using air as coolant and then recover the energy for drying can be possible ,but yet taht type of noval distillation units need to evolved .You can try one taht can save the huge energy cost of ethanol as one need 5 Kg of steam for every 1 l of ethanol. sd Pannirselvam P.V On 11/23/05, Jonathan Schearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question for the group. Would a water distiller like the kind found at www.waterdistiller.com be similar to an alcohol still? Usually an alcohol still has a column and uses water as the coolant for the condenser. These water distillers use a coil that is air cooled. Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V PannirselvamUniversidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRNDepartamento de Engenharia Química - DEQCentro de Tecnologia - CTPrograma de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPECAv. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus UniversitárioCEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - BrasilResidence :AvOdilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 CapimMacioEP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - BrasilTelefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal21032171557Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular8488145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
Rexis Tree a écrit : http://www.uncletaz.com/library/scimath/tesla/teslacar.html Facinating, we had an era of electric car in the pass. Nikola Tesla is the reason we are using AC power today. He invented an electric car power source that require no charging and can power an 80hp car to 90 mph. The first car, named never satisfied, that has broken the 100 km/h barrier in 1889, was electric powered http://www.speedace.info/jamais.htm http://www.histomobile.com/1/Jenatzy/1899/Jamais_contente_.htm?lan=1 frantz, jamais content ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel -- in France
john owens a écrit : What I would like to know is why these big biodiesel companys in europe that are sabose to be ahead in the biodiesel industry haven't started using algae to produce biodiesel. This is taken from wikipedia biodiesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel /The production of algae to harvest oil for biodiesel has not been undertaken on a commercial scale, but working feasibility studies have been conducted to arrive at the above yield estimate. In addition to a high yield, this solution does not compete with agriculture for food, requiring neither farmland nor fresh water. / Maybe because they're linked to indutrial farming ? France is the EU country with the longest seashore. I heard about only one project of methanisation of algaes from the green tides (nitrates and phosphorus pollution of coastal waters around Britanny that make amazing and smelly accumulation of green algae every summer) In France for exemple, the government biofuel plan is based only on actual sugar beetroot industry (in North-East France) or petrol raffineries and big colza farming. While this, the same government gave instructions to catch and convict drivers who are using SVO in their diesel car. Cynically because it makes 15 € less tax per average tank fill for State (and one car out of 2 is diesel powered in France), don't care if it's good for Kyoto targets or national commercial balance. Farmers are the only tolerated users if selfconsumption. In facts Biofuels or anything used as a fuel cannot be sold without paying the TIPP (Domestic tax on oil products), excepted if made by big companies, dued to EU rules. have a look on the European Energy Crops Internetwork site : http://www.eeci.net/ i.e : http://www.eeci.net/archive/biobase/B10650.html http://www.eeci.net/archive/biobase/B10649.html about TIPP tax : europa.eu.int/comm/taxation_customs/resources/documents/fuels_*france*_en.pdf frantz outlaw with my old french fries smelling car. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel
Yes John as you have said thereis not a company that specified on biodiesel production from algea. I heard that large farms must be needed to product yeald. May be its not true.. but i could not find a good internet address about this production style. On 11/24/05, john owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would like to know is why these big biodiesel companys in europe that are sabose to be ahead inthe biodiesel industryhaven't started using algae to produce biodiesel. This is taken from wikipedia biodiesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel The production of algae to harvest oil for biodiesel has not been undertaken on a commercial scale, but working feasibility studies have been conducted to arrive at the above yield estimate. In addition to a high yield, this solution does not compete with agriculture for food, requiring neither farmland nor fresh water. john___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
Where did you learn about the arrest? Send the source. Walker Bennett wrote: The source has been documented and the leaker of the minutes has been arrested and is awaiting arraignment. What are you, Republican? Walker Bennett Sedona, Arizona I do not fear computers. I fear lack of them. --Isaac Asimov /My personal homepage http://ca.geocities.com/vladilyich// /My writing portfolio http://www.writing.com/authors/vladilyich// /*In The Beginning http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1411638484/qid=1127593489/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-7808048-9688144?v=glances=books - */*ISBN*: *1-4116-3848-4* */Just In Time http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1411638514/qid=1127593489/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-7808048-9688144?v=glances=books - /ISBN 1-4116-3851-4* **Available from Amazon.Com */Ad Astra -/* Coming Soon from Cydonia Publishing -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Michael Jones *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:58 AM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* [Bulk] Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this. */Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
Actually, you can transmit power over the air using microwaves. To the best of my knowledge this is proven, but I have no idea about the efficiencies.. There were stories a year or two ago about setting up solar panels on the moon and transmitting the power back down to earth using microwaves. http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/lunar_power_000712.html Ken Riznyk wrote: Tesla was a little nutzo. He spent years trying to transmit electricity through the air like radio waves. He invented the Tesla coil and the Tesla turbine. I think if you link up Turk's waste oil burner with the Tesla turbine you could have a winner. Ken --- bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can impeach him. --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely. Absolutely lovely. If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally have a mad man loose in the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his own thoughts for one moment for the duration of his term of office. That or stack it on the list of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, for his impeachement. Todd Swearingen http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash. A source said: There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency. The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation. A source said last night: The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush. He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem. There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been humorous, not serious. But another source declared: Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men. Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions. I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war. Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year. At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah. Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims. The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West. Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha. Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of collateral damage. Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists. To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself. The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors. In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two smart bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre. The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke. Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court next week. Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10. He said Mr O'Connor had behaved perfectly correctly. Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10 did not comment. Copyright - The Mirror ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
[Biofuel] Star Wreck
Reuters is reporting that the sciencefiction spoof "Star Wreck: in the Pirkinning" has become [1]Finland'smost viewed movie. From the article: " [...] relying on free distribution over the Internet to reach more than 3 million viewers in less than twomonths. "[2]Star Wreck: In the Pirkinning" is a full-length feature inFinnish with English subtitles. It was made by a group of students andother amateur film makers with a bare-bones budget and a few homecomputers to create elaborate special effects."Discuss this story at: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=05/11/23/000258Links: 0. http://www.lot49.com/ 1. http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5966670.html 2. http://www-uk.starwreck.com/I downloaded it and enjoyed it thoroughly. A lot of delightful parody/social commentary here.Kirk Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
In fact, we had a golden era of the zero-emissions, quiet electric car for approximately 30 years circa 1900. I have made rather a study of it (still in progress). If you want to learn more, I heartily recommend my webpages on the subject, beginning at: http://www.econogics.com/ev/evhistry.htm As for the Tesla electric car, I can only wish and dream the story is true and not apocryphal (and that we can stumble upon the secret again). However, given the amount of power that vacuum tubes of the period could typically handle (and especially the type that would have been in stock in a local store), I remain skeptical about this story. Yes, he could have built an inverter, but I don't see how it could have handled the power to travel in a heavy vehicle with poor aerodynamics at over 90 mph with typical vacuum tubes of the period. For 80 hp, we are talking about 60,000 watts. Assuming a 3-phase inverter (3-phase AC being Tesla's trademark), using 12 tubes, that's 4 tubes per phase. With 2 tubes for the negative side and two tubes for the positive side for each phase, that means each tube (if perfectly balanced) would have to handle 30,000 watts (each phase has to be able to handle the full rated power). If high voltage were available in the ether, I suspect organisms such as ourselves would have serious issues. So, that leaves high current as the alternative, again, not friendly to typical vacuum tubes. I welcome the opportunity to be convinced otherwise, preferably with a working model that is available for demonstration and examination. Darryl McMahon Rexis Tree wrote: http://www.uncletaz.com/library/scimath/tesla/teslacar.html Facinating, we had an era of electric car in the pass. Nikola Tesla is the reason we are using AC power today. He invented an electric car power source that require no charging and can power an 80hp car to 90 mph. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
I think Chaney is too busy hiding in an undisclosed location.On 11/24/05, Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we canimpeach him.--- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely. Absolutely lovely. If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally have a mad man loose in the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his own thoughts for one moment for the duration of his term of office. That or stack it on the list of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, for his impeachement. Todd Swearingenhttp://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash. A source said: There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency. The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation. A source said last night: The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush. He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem. There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been humorous, not serious. But another source declared: Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men. Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions. I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war. Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year. At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah. Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims. The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West. Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha. Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of collateral damage. Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists. To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself. The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors. In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two smart bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre. The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke. Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court next week. Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10. He said Mr O'Connor had behaved perfectly correctly. Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10 did not comment. Copyright - The Mirror ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
Yes, you can transmit power via microwaves. However, if significant amounts of power are being transmitted, you don't want to be in the path. Could be dicey when trying to power vehicles in which we are occupants. Darryl McMahon Marty Phee wrote: Actually, you can transmit power over the air using microwaves. To the best of my knowledge this is proven, but I have no idea about the efficiencies.. There were stories a year or two ago about setting up solar panels on the moon and transmitting the power back down to earth using microwaves. http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/lunar_power_000712.html Ken Riznyk wrote: Tesla was a little nutzo. He spent years trying to transmit electricity through the air like radio waves. He invented the Tesla coil and the Tesla turbine. I think if you link up Turk's waste oil burner with the Tesla turbine you could have a winner. Ken --- bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel
Hello John, Sten and all While I agree that biofuels need to be done sustainably in the long term (as does virtually everyone on this list I'd guess), but this series of articles smells like astroturfing to me. Thanks for the sourcewatch link. Denis Avery and son Alex do nothing but astroturfing. See eg Talking pure manure: http://journeytoforever.org/fyi_previous2.html#1008 Denis T. Avery, author of the book Saving the Planet with Pesticides and Plastic - The Environmental Triumph of High-Yield Farming. LOL! It isn't even high-yield. In their babe-like innocence the Hudson Institute used to have a donors page tucked away at their website until they woke up to the fact that it was a stick and people were hitting them with it. So if you go to that url now (below) you get a Page not found. Er, page found: ... Thanks to Ericka and Rich Dana, who posted the information at the bottom of this message on 26 Feb. 2000 to SANET on the Hudson Institute's larger and corporate donors. Several caveats: --This list is for the Hudson Institute in general. Avery's project, the Center for Global Food Issues, which is one of the Hudson Institute's research centers, does not provide funding sources on its Web site. --This more general list was edited from the list here: http://www.hudson.org/futurecast/donors.htm --The list reflects 1998 donations. My guess is that the Hudson Institute's larger circles of influence buy the Averys considerable access to the mass media--another form of capital (cultural/social). Particularly since some of the major contributors to Hudson include Burson-Marsteller, Ernst Young, and Arthur Andersen; my guess is they're providing more than the documented monetary contributions. My guess is further that most of the funding for the Averys' Center for Global Food Issues comes in the form of speakers' honoraria, rather than salaries from the organization. Don't know whether this helps, Bill, but FYI. peace mish ~~~ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:26:33 -0800 From: Ericka Rich Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: Hudson Institute Donor List Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please go to http://www.hudson.org/futurecast/donors.htm to see the minimum level of donation for each level: The lowest level of donation is $50 for FRIENDS. The highest is over $25,000 for TRUSTEE's and buys the donor special consultation and the opportunity to meet politicians in Washington, D.C. This is an edited list of 1998 Donors to Hudson Institute ( from their website). I have not included individuals and have focused on companies, corporations, etc... Remember that the Hudson Institute has a variety of ongoing projects in education, defense, human resource management, etc. TRUSTEE'S CIRCLE American United Life Insurance Capital Group CINergy, Inc. Clarian Health Group, Inc. Conseco, Inc. Deere Company The William H. Donner Foundation, Inc. Dow AgroSciences Eli Lilly and Company Enron Corporation Fieldstead Company Global Crop Protection Federation Goodwill Industries of S. E. Wisconsin Home Equity Leaders Lenders Organization IPALCO Enterprises, Inc. W. K. Kellogg Foundation Korea Foundation Lilly Endowment, Inc. National Association of Water Companies National Cable Television Association Novartis Crop protection, Inc. NWO Resources, Inc. John M. Olin Foundation, Inc. The Pew Charitable Trusts Walton Family Foundation, Inc. CHAIRMAN'S CIRCLE American Association of Retired Persons Bell Atlantic BellSouth Corporation Burson-Marsteller The Chisolm Foundation Dekko Foundation Earhart Foundation FMC Corporation Ford Motor Company GTE Foundation IMC Global, Inc. Lincoln National Corporation MMM Invest, Inc. Monsanto Company NBD Bank, N. A. Raytheon Technical Services The Sanwa Bank Limited State of Wisconsin Sunrise Assisted Living Trailmobile Trailer Corp. USA Group PRESIDENT'S CIRCLE American Lawn Mower Company American Petroleum Institute Ameritech indiana Amtran, Inc. Amway Corporation Baker Daniels Bank One Biomet, Inc. Bombardier, Inc. Community Hospitals of Indiana, Inc. Direct Selling Association Dole Food Company, Inc. EDS Elanco Animal Health Fifth Third Bank of Central Indiana First Indiana Corp. General Atomics Global News Communications Golden Rule Insurance Company Guidant Corporation Indiana Farm Bureau, Inc. Indianapolis Colts, Inc. Inland Foundation, Inc. Ivy Tech State College IWC Resources Corporation LDI, Ltd. Lockheed Martin Corporation National Association of Temporary and Staffing Services National City Bank, Indiana NIPSCO Industries, Inc. Ontario Corporation Pfizer, Inc. Reilly Industries, Inc. SerVaas, Inc. Texans for Lawsuit Reform Tribune Broadcasting Company The Williams Companies, Inc. BENEFACTOR'S CIRCLE Accurate Castings, Inc. AFSCME Council 62 Education Arthur Andersen, LLP Barnes Thornburg Boardroom, Inc. Broyhill Family Foundation Caldwell VanRiper, Inc. Central Soya Company, Inc. Coachmen Industries, Inc. Consolidated Products,
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
Michael Jones wrote: And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this. Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion? Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some substance to it is required please. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
Tesla was a little nutzo. He spent years trying to transmit electricity through the air like radio waves. He invented the Tesla coil and the Tesla turbine. I think if you link up Turk's waste oil burner with the Tesla turbine you could have a winner. Ken One of his biographers thought he came from the planet Venus. Well, maybe he did. Maybe what he was trying to do with all his fireworks was warm the place up a bit, it's such a cold planet by comparison. As yet, anyway (watch this space)... Best Keith --- bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rexis Tree wrote: http://www.uncletaz.com/library/scimath/tesla/teslacar.html Facinating, we had an era of electric car in the pass. Nikola Tesla is the reason we are using AC power today. He invented an electric car power source that require no charging and can power an 80hp car to 90 mph. from the link: with an 80-horsepower alternating-current electric motor with no external power source. At a local radio shop he bought 12 vacuum tubes, some wires and assorted resistors, and assembled them in a circuit box 24 inches long, 12 inches wide and 6 inches high, with a pair of 3-inch rods sticking out. Getting into the car with the circuit box in the front seat beside him, he pushed the rods in, announced, We now have power, and proceeded to test drive the car for a week, often at speeds of up to 90 mph. As it was an alternating-current motor and there were no batteries involved, where did the power come from? the question shouldn't be where did the power come from but where did the srory come? this is obviously mythology. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
One of Tesla's last experiments was to tape in to the magnetic field of the Earth to produce power. Some say he succeeded, but no notes were found after his death. Of course, the War Department and Naval Research Lab confiscated most of his belongings after his death. A trunk full of his papers was discovered in the '60s in his native Yugoslavia, but now that we've totally screwed up Bosnia-Herzegovina and the rest of the former Republic, there's no telling where they are now. Walker Bennett Sedona, Arizona I do not fear computers. I fear lack of them. --Isaac Asimov My personal homepage My writing portfolio In The Beginning - ISBN: 1-4116-3848-4 Just In Time - ISBN 1-4116-3851-4 Available from Amazon.Com Ad Astra - Coming Soon from Cydonia Publishing -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darryl McMahon Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:36 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning In fact, we had a golden era of the zero-emissions, quiet electric car for approximately 30 years circa 1900. I have made rather a study of it (still in progress). If you want to learn more, I heartily recommend my webpages on the subject, beginning at: http://www.econogics.com/ev/evhistry.htm As for the Tesla electric car, I can only wish and dream the story is true and not apocryphal (and that we can stumble upon the secret again). However, given the amount of power that vacuum tubes of the period could typically handle (and especially the type that would have been in stock in a local store), I remain skeptical about this story. Yes, he could have built an inverter, but I don't see how it could have handled the power to travel in a heavy vehicle with poor aerodynamics at over 90 mph with typical vacuum tubes of the period. For 80 hp, we are talking about 60,000 watts. Assuming a 3-phase inverter (3-phase AC being Tesla's trademark), using 12 tubes, that's 4 tubes per phase. With 2 tubes for the negative side and two tubes for the positive side for each phase, that means each tube (if perfectly balanced) would have to handle 30,000 watts (each phase has to be able to handle the full rated power). If high voltage were available in the ether, I suspect organisms such as ourselves would have serious issues. So, that leaves high current as the alternative, again, not friendly to typical vacuum tubes. I welcome the opportunity to be convinced otherwise, preferably with a working model that is available for demonstration and examination. Darryl McMahon ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel
Thanks for the link frantz. Yes John as you have said there is not a company that specified on biodieselproduction from algea. I heard that large farms must be needed to productyeald. May be its not true.. but i could not find a good internet address about this production style. Here is a websiteI found; http://www.americanenergyindependence.com/biodiesel.html On 11/24/05, john owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would like to know is why these big biodiesel companys in europe that are sabose to be ahead in the biodiesel industry haven't started using algae to produce biodiesel. This is taken from wikipedia biodiesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel *The production of algae to harvest oil for biodiesel has not been undertaken on a commercial scale, but working feasibility studies have been conducted to arrive at the above yield estimate. In addition to a high yield, this solution does not compete with agriculture for food, requiring neither farmland nor fresh water. * ** john ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Novak's Do-It-Yourself Water Injection System
Hi Guys I would like to install this in a 73 Chevy 4.1 Straight 6 with a Dual Stage Double Barrel Weber Carburettor. (I live in Africa and emission control is still getting here). The only Vacuum line I have is it the Vacuum Advance Line. Now if I splice into this, do I put the Valve between the T Piece and the Bottle or between the T Piece and the Carburettor (as shown in the Sketch).. Seems to me to make more sense to put it between the T Piece and the Carburettor, so I can Limit the Air Bubbles with out effecting the Vacuum Advance. Any Feedback would be great. Thanks Andre ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Novak's Do-It-Yourself Water Injection System
Andre de Jager wrote: Hi Guys I would like to install this in a 73 Chevy 4.1 Straight 6 with a Dual Stage Double Barrel Weber Carburettor. (I live in Africa and emission control is still getting here). It should work well on that engine. The water injection system doesn't work so well on fuel injected engines that run a mass airflow sensor. The only Vacuum line I have is it the Vacuum Advance Line. Now if I splice into this, do I put the Valve between the T Piece and the Bottle or between the T Piece and the Carburettor (as shown in the Sketch).. It won't matter, as the vacuum advance only works when there is engine vacuum present. Just make sure the valve is installed in the correct position. Seems to me to make more sense to put it between the T Piece and the Carburettor, so I can Limit the Air Bubbles with out effecting the Vacuum Advance. The water vapor will not enter your vacuum advance canister. It will get sucked into the engine. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
This idea surfaces every couple of years and is totally impractical. Example: In the '60s I was briefly stationed at Treasure Island, California (middle of SF Bay). We had an AN-SPS30 Radar (i.e., microwave) installation on the island (6MW) that the city of San Francisco wouldn't let the Navy turn on because it lit up every fluorescent bulb in a 10-mile radius. A typical power plant generates Gigawatts, not Megawatts...imagine what a several a GW beam would do to anything that got in the way. Walker Bennett Sedona, Arizona I do not fear computers. I fear lack of them. --Isaac Asimov My personal homepage My writing portfolio In The Beginning - ISBN: 1-4116-3848-4 Just In Time - ISBN 1-4116-3851-4 Available from Amazon.Com Ad Astra - Coming Soon from Cydonia Publishing -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Phee Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 9:35 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning Actually, you can transmit power over the air using microwaves. To the best of my knowledge this is proven, but I have no idea about the efficiencies.. There were stories a year or two ago about setting up solar panels on the moon and transmitting the power back down to earth using microwaves. http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/lunar_power_000712.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
My lips ain't touching that bush... On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Ken Riznyk wrote: Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can impeach him. --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely. Absolutely lovely. If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally have a mad man loose in the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his own thoughts for one moment for the duration of his term of office. That or stack it on the list of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, for his impeachement. Todd Swearingen http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash. A source said: There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency. The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation. A source said last night: The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush. He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem. There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been humorous, not serious. But another source declared: Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men. Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions. I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war. Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year. At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah. Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims. The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West. Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha. Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of collateral damage. Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists. To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself. The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors. In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two smart bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre. The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke. Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court next week. Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10. He said Mr O'Connor had behaved perfectly correctly. Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10 did not comment. Copyright - The Mirror ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
Hey Keith, Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see, people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and just let their words stand, allowing a little more doubt to be spread amongst the few gullible or uninformed people who might still remain. It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was just washed down with stale water. In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and still clings to some hope that if he keeps his eyes closed tight for long enough that reality will somehow be different. We should all wish him well with his folly on this holiday, as his rude awakening is inevitably just around the corner. Todd Swearingen Michael Jones wrote: And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this. Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion? Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some substance to it is required please. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
I remain skeptical as well to tesla's electric car. What a different world it would become if this was true. But I believe it is more like a myth then fact. This is just like what you see in the following site: http://www.fuellesspower.com/ (And before you believe in anything, refer following) http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/newclaims/rickharrison/vortex_dc_motor.htm When Tesla's death FBI clean up the hotel room he stayed and his papers were declared to be top secrete. It is said that he is researching some kind of weapon that will make all kind of air force obsolete. Truth is never known. More about Tesla: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla Yeah, about microwave power transmission, i always wanted to ask: are they harmful to birds? :p (birds cooked by flying thru the beam) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
