Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
Even if it was turned into a toothpick! regards Doug On Friday 25 November 2005 10:26, Kenji James Fuse wrote: My lips ain't touching that bush... On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Ken Riznyk wrote: Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can impeach him. --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely. Absolutely lovely. If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally have a mad man loose in the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his own thoughts for one moment for the duration of his term of office. That or stack it on the list of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, for his impeachement. Todd Swearingen http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash. A source said: There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency. The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation. A source said last night: The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush. He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem. There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been humorous, not serious. But another source declared: Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men. Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions. I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war. Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year. At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah. Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims. The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West. Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha. Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of collateral damage. Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists. To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself. The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors. In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two smart bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre. The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke. Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court next week. Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10. He said Mr O'Connor had behaved perfectly correctly. Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
I was always wandering how Bush couldbe elected in the first place. He seems to be even worse thanhisfather was. Dietmar ---Original Message--- From: Doug Foskey Date: 11/25/05 09:03:39 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Even if it was turned into a toothpick! regards Doug On Friday 25 November 2005 10:26, Kenji James Fuse wrote: My lips ain't touching that bush... On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Ken Riznyk wrote: Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can impeach him. --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely. Absolutely lovely. If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally have a mad man loose in the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his own thoughts for one moment for the duration of his term of office. That or stack it on the list of evidence, "circumstantial" or otherwise, for his impeachement. Todd Swearingen http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo reveals. But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash. A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency. The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation. A source said last night: "The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush. "He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem. "There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it." A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been "humorous, not serious". But another source declared: "Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men." Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: "It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions. "I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war." Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year. At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah. Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims. The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West. Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha. Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of "collateral damage". Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists. To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself. The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors. In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two "smart" bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre. The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke. Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor,
Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel
The studies I have read indicated that their were concerns about the genetically modified algae that they had developed to produce biodiesel, and also about the hardiness of the biodiesel (or oil rather) producing algae. The US DOE wrote a 250 page study on it, which I can't seem to find right now. The UNH biodiesel group has some info too. http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html The competing for farmland for food production is a red herring in the US. We currently pay farmers to not grow anything, and alot of the wheat and corn they do grow goes to feed factory farmed animals, or to flood foreign markets and drive their local farmers out of business. Putting the US farmers to work growing something useful instead would be good.h Zeke On 11/24/05, Mehmet Ersan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes John as you have said there is not a company that specified on biodiesel production from algea. I heard that large farms must be needed to product yeald. May be its not true.. but i could not find a good internet address about this production style. On 11/24/05, john owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would like to know is why these big biodiesel companys in europe that are sabose to be ahead in the biodiesel industry haven't started using algae to produce biodiesel. This is taken from wikipedia biodiesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel The production of algae to harvest oil for biodiesel has not been undertaken on a commercial scale, but working feasibility studies have been conducted to arrive at the above yield estimate. In addition to a high yield, this solution does not compete with agriculture for food, requiring neither farmland nor fresh water. john ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel
You're right about the farmland issue being a red herring - my family was in the wheat growing business forever and the gov't used to pay us not to do anything (Look up the PIK program) Ultimately despite record wheat harvests almost yearly it was a maginal business at best and we sold the land. Zeke Yewdall wrote: The studies I have read indicated that their were concerns about the genetically modified algae that they had developed to produce biodiesel, and also about the hardiness of the biodiesel (or oil rather) producing algae. The US DOE wrote a 250 page study on it, which I can't seem to find right now. The UNH biodiesel group has some info too. http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html The competing for farmland for food production is a red herring in the US. We currently pay farmers to not grow anything, and alot of the wheat and corn they do grow goes to feed factory farmed animals, or to flood foreign markets and drive their local farmers out of business. Putting the US farmers to work growing something useful instead would be good.h Zeke On 11/24/05, Mehmet Ersan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes John as you have said there is not a company that specified on biodiesel production from algea. I heard that large farms must be needed to product yeald. May be its not true.. but i could not find a good internet address about this production style. On 11/24/05, john owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would like to know is why these big biodiesel companys in europe that are sabose to be ahead in the biodiesel industry haven't started using algae to produce biodiesel. This is taken from wikipedia biodiesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel The production of algae to harvest oil for biodiesel has not been undertaken on a commercial scale, but working feasibility studies have been conducted to arrive at the above yield estimate. In addition to a high yield, this solution does not compete with agriculture for food, requiring neither farmland nor fresh water. john ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
squeaky voice I'm a war-time president! Freedom Hater! /squeaky voice Appal Energy wrote: Hey Keith, Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see, people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and just let their words stand, allowing a little more doubt to be spread amongst the few gullible or uninformed people who might still remain. It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was just washed down with stale water. In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and still clings to some hope that if he keeps his eyes closed tight for long enough that reality will somehow be different. We should all wish him well with his folly on this holiday, as his rude awakening is inevitably just around the corner. Todd Swearingen Michael Jones wrote: And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this. Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion? Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some substance to it is required please. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
Looks like our Keith is onto something:
Paper Says Bush Talked of Bombing Arab TV Network
By Kevin Sullivan and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, November 23, 2005; Page A14
LONDON, Nov. 22 -- President Bush expressed interest in bombing the
headquarters of the Arabic television network al-Jazeera during a White
House conversation with Prime Minister Tony Blair in April 2004, a
British newspaper reported Tuesday.
The Daily Mirror report was attributed to two anonymous sources
describing a classified document they said contained a transcript of the
two leaders' talk. One source is quoted as saying Bush's alleged remark
concerning the network's headquarters in Qatar was humorous, not
serious, while the other said, Bush was deadly serious.
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A frame grab from Abu Dhabi television shows people carrying Al-Jazeera
television correspondent Tareq Ayub in a blanket after he was killed in
a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad offices 08 April 2003.
Al-Jazeera's cameraman Zuheir al-Iraqi was hit in the neck by shrapnel
in what the Qatar-based Arabic news network charged was a deliberate
strike. AFP PHOTO/ABU DHABI TV
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A frame grab from Abu Dhabi television shows people carrying Al-Jazeera
television correspondent Tareq Ayub in a blanket after he was killed in
a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad offices 08 April 2003.
Al-Jazeera's cameraman Zuheir al-Iraqi was hit in the neck by shrapnel
in what the Qatar-based Arabic news network charged was a deliberate
strike. AFP PHOTO/ABU DHABI TV (Abu Dhabi Tv/via Afp)
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In Washington, a senior diplomat said the Bush remark as recounted in
the newspaper sounds like one of the president's one-liners that is
meant as a joke. But, the diplomat said, it was foolish for someone to
write it down, and now it will be a story for days.
We are not interested in dignifying something so outlandish and
inconceivable with a response, White House spokesman Scott McClellan
told the Associated Press in an e-mail.
Al-Jazeera has frequently aired recorded statements from al Qaeda
figures. Bush administration officials have contended that through that
type of broadcasting the network often serves as a conduit for terrorist
propaganda.
In 2003, during the invasion of Iraq, a U.S. missile hit the network's
office in Baghdad, killing a correspondent. U.S. officials called the
incident an accident. In 2001, American bombs exploded in its bureau in
Kabul, Afghanistan. Washington said the targeting officers did not know
that the site was an office of the television service, believing instead
that it was used by al Qaeda.
A former senior U.S. intelligence official said that it was clear the
White House saw al-Jazeera as a problem, but that although the CIA's
clandestine service came up with plans to counteract it, such as
planting people on its staff, it never received permission to proceed.
Bombing in Qatar was never contemplated, the former official said.
A spokesman for Blair's office declined to comment on grounds that the
document is part of a criminal investigation. Two civil servants have
been charged with violating Britain's Official Secrets Act for allegedly
disclosing the document.
According to a source quoted in the Daily Mail, Blair told Bush that
bombing al-Jazeera would cause a big problem. The source was also
quoted as saying: There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do -- and no
doubt Blair didn't want him to do it.
The network is based in downtown Doha, the capital of Qatar, a Persian
Gulf state that is closely allied with the United States and has allowed
U.S. forces to base their military headquarters there during the Iraq war.
Al-Jazeera, in a statement released Tuesday evening, said it was trying
to verify the newspaper's account and called on Blair's office to clear
up the issue.
If the report is correct, then this would be both shocking and
worrisome not only to al-Jazeera but to media
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
I heard that The Wasington Post had picked up this story - anyone have more info? Doug Foskey wrote: Even if it was turned into a toothpick! regards Doug On Friday 25 November 2005 10:26, Kenji James Fuse wrote: My lips ain't touching that bush... On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Ken Riznyk wrote: Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can impeach him. --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely. Absolutely lovely. If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally have a mad man loose in the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his own thoughts for one moment for the duration of his term of office. That or stack it on the list of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, for his impeachement. Todd Swearingen http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash. A source said: There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency. The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation. A source said last night: The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush. He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem. There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been humorous, not serious. But another source declared: Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men. Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions. I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war. Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year. At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah. Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims. The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West. Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha. Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of collateral damage. Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists. To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself. The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors. In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two smart bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre. The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke. Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is
Re: [Biofuel] Novak's Do-It-Yourself Water Injection System
I used to do this on Chevy's - I bet you can still get the kits (easier) from JC Whitney. robert luis rabello wrote: Andre de Jager wrote: Hi Guys I would like to install this in a 73 Chevy 4.1 Straight 6 with a Dual Stage Double Barrel Weber Carburettor. (I live in Africa and emission control is still getting here). It should work well on that engine. The water injection system doesn't work so well on fuel injected engines that run a mass airflow sensor. The only Vacuum line I have is it the Vacuum Advance Line. Now if I splice into this, do I put the Valve between the T Piece and the Bottle or between the T Piece and the Carburettor (as shown in the Sketch).. It won't matter, as the vacuum advance only works when there is engine vacuum present. Just make sure the valve is installed in the correct position. Seems to me to make more sense to put it between the T Piece and the Carburettor, so I can Limit the Air Bubbles with out effecting the Vacuum Advance. The water vapor will not enter your vacuum advance canister. It will get sucked into the engine. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
This was all over DC's gossip gang before it hit the papers. There are always plenty on stories but not all are credible. The Bush drinking story won't die but I have yet so see any real journalist pick it up. Keith Addison wrote: Michael Jones wrote: And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this. Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion? Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some substance to it is required please. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel
See: Toxic Sludge is Good for You on Amazon Keith Addison wrote: Hello John, Sten and all While I agree that biofuels need to be done sustainably in the long term (as does virtually everyone on this list I'd guess), but this series of articles smells like astroturfing to me. Thanks for the sourcewatch link. Denis Avery and son Alex do nothing but astroturfing. See eg Talking pure manure: http://journeytoforever.org/fyi_previous2.html#1008 Denis T. Avery, author of the book Saving the Planet with Pesticides and Plastic - The Environmental Triumph of High-Yield Farming. LOL! It isn't even high-yield. In their babe-like innocence the Hudson Institute used to have a donors page tucked away at their website until they woke up to the fact that it was a stick and people were hitting them with it. So if you go to that url now (below) you get a Page not found. Er, page found: ... Thanks to Ericka and Rich Dana, who posted the information at the bottom of this message on 26 Feb. 2000 to SANET on the Hudson Institute's larger and corporate donors. Several caveats: --This list is for the Hudson Institute in general. Avery's project, the Center for Global Food Issues, which is one of the Hudson Institute's research centers, does not provide funding sources on its Web site. --This more general list was edited from the list here: http://www.hudson.org/futurecast/donors.htm --The list reflects 1998 donations. My guess is that the Hudson Institute's larger circles of influence buy the Averys considerable access to the mass media--another form of capital (cultural/social). Particularly since some of the major contributors to Hudson include Burson-Marsteller, Ernst Young, and Arthur Andersen; my guess is they're providing more than the documented monetary contributions. My guess is further that most of the funding for the Averys' Center for Global Food Issues comes in the form of speakers' honoraria, rather than salaries from the organization. Don't know whether this helps, Bill, but FYI. peace mish ~~~ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:26:33 -0800 From: Ericka Rich Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: Hudson Institute Donor List Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please go to http://www.hudson.org/futurecast/donors.htm to see the minimum level of donation for each level: The lowest level of donation is $50 for FRIENDS. The highest is over $25,000 for TRUSTEE's and buys the donor special consultation and the opportunity to meet politicians in Washington, D.C. This is an edited list of 1998 Donors to Hudson Institute ( from their website). I have not included individuals and have focused on companies, corporations, etc... Remember that the Hudson Institute has a variety of ongoing projects in education, defense, human resource management, etc. TRUSTEE'S CIRCLE American United Life Insurance Capital Group CINergy, Inc. Clarian Health Group, Inc. Conseco, Inc. Deere Company The William H. Donner Foundation, Inc. Dow AgroSciences Eli Lilly and Company Enron Corporation Fieldstead Company Global Crop Protection Federation Goodwill Industries of S. E. Wisconsin Home Equity Leaders Lenders Organization IPALCO Enterprises, Inc. W. K. Kellogg Foundation Korea Foundation Lilly Endowment, Inc. National Association of Water Companies National Cable Television Association Novartis Crop protection, Inc. NWO Resources, Inc. John M. Olin Foundation, Inc. The Pew Charitable Trusts Walton Family Foundation, Inc. CHAIRMAN'S CIRCLE American Association of Retired Persons Bell Atlantic BellSouth Corporation Burson-Marsteller The Chisolm Foundation Dekko Foundation Earhart Foundation FMC Corporation Ford Motor Company GTE Foundation IMC Global, Inc. Lincoln National Corporation MMM Invest, Inc. Monsanto Company NBD Bank, N. A. Raytheon Technical Services The Sanwa Bank Limited State of Wisconsin Sunrise Assisted Living Trailmobile Trailer Corp. USA Group PRESIDENT'S CIRCLE American Lawn Mower Company American Petroleum Institute Ameritech indiana Amtran, Inc. Amway Corporation Baker Daniels Bank One Biomet, Inc. Bombardier, Inc. Community Hospitals of Indiana, Inc. Direct Selling Association Dole Food Company, Inc. EDS Elanco Animal Health Fifth Third Bank of Central Indiana First Indiana Corp. General Atomics Global News Communications Golden Rule Insurance Company Guidant Corporation Indiana Farm Bureau, Inc. Indianapolis Colts, Inc. Inland Foundation, Inc. Ivy Tech State College IWC Resources Corporation LDI, Ltd. Lockheed Martin Corporation National Association of Temporary and Staffing Services National City Bank, Indiana NIPSCO Industries, Inc. Ontario Corporation Pfizer, Inc. Reilly Industries, Inc. SerVaas, Inc. Texans for Lawsuit Reform Tribune Broadcasting Company The Williams Companies, Inc. BENEFACTOR'S CIRCLE Accurate Castings, Inc. AFSCME Council 62 Education Arthur Andersen, LLP Barnes Thornburg Boardroom, Inc. Broyhill Family Foundation Caldwell VanRiper,
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
It would probably prove fatal to Cheney. Fred Finch wrote: I think Chaney is too busy hiding in an undisclosed location. On 11/24/05, *Ken Riznyk* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can impeach him. --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely. Absolutely lovely. If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally have a mad man loose in the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his own thoughts for one moment for the duration of his term of office. That or stack it on the list of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, for his impeachement. Todd Swearingen http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash. A source said: There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency. The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation. A source said last night: The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush. He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem. There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been humorous, not serious. But another source declared: Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men. Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions. I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war. Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year. At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah. Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims. The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West. Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha. Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of collateral damage. Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists. To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself. The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors. In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two smart bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre. The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke. Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to work for Mr Clarke. Both are
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
Actually, my sources tell me Bush has a whole list: First Al Jazeera, then The New York Times, then The Post... bob allen wrote: here are a couple: ENGLAND: London - A civil servant has been charged under Britain's Official Secrets Act for allegedly leaking a government memo that a newspaper said Tuesday suggested that Prime Minister Tony Blair persuaded President Bush not to bomb the Arab satellite station Al-Jazeera. The Daily Mirror reported that Bush spoke of targeting Al-Jazeera's headquarters in Doha, Qatar, when he met Blair at the White House on April 16, 2004. The Bush administration has regularly accused Al-Jazeera of being nothing more than a mouthpiece for anti-American sentiments. The Daily Mirror attributed its information to unidentified sources. http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/local/13236822.htm It is alleged that Keogh, who has been charged under section 5 of the Official Secrets Act, sent the memo to O'Connor sometime between April 16 and May 28 of last year. O'Connor, also charged, then took the document to his boss, Clarke, who dutifully handed it back to the government. O'Connor and Keogh were arrested in August of last year; the charges have just recently been filed. http://rawstory.com/news/2005/UK_Press_Gagged_by_Attorney_General_1123.html Mike Weaver wrote: Where did you learn about the arrest? Send the source. Walker Bennett wrote: The source has been documented and the leaker of the minutes has been arrested and is awaiting arraignment. What are you, Republican? Walker Bennett Sedona, Arizona I do not fear computers. I fear lack of them. --Isaac Asimov /My personal homepage http://ca.geocities.com/vladilyich// /My writing portfolio http://www.writing.com/authors/vladilyich// /*In The Beginning http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1411638484/qid=1127593489/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-7808048-9688144?v=glances=books - */*ISBN*: *1-4116-3848-4* */Just In Time http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1411638514/qid=1127593489/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-7808048-9688144?v=glances=books - /ISBN 1-4116-3851-4* **Available from Amazon.Com */Ad Astra -/* Coming Soon from Cydonia Publishing -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Michael Jones *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:58 AM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* [Bulk] Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this. */Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] What's the word on biodiesel fumes?
I've had to bring production inside while it's cold and damp outside. I'm well aware of the dangerous fumes during processing, but what about bd fumes while it washes and dries? Is it harmful to be in a 8ftX16ft room with 20 gallons of biodiesel (I am definitely aware of the smell)? Kenji Fuse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
Hi Todd You could be right, I don't know. Maybe it's a genuine comment - what do the latest polls say about how many Americans still believe Saddam Hussein was linked to 9/11 and Al Qaeda and his WMD threatened the US? How long ago did we totally trash all that here, three years ago or was it four? But I'm not concerned about what he thinks or what he believes, you don't just simply ignore people who question what you've said. Or not here anyway. We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. Best put a stop to it at the outset. It's an example, I'm not saying it applies to Michael. But he made a statement, it's been questioned, he should either support his statement or withdraw it. That's what he'd have to do if it was a face-to-face discussion among a group of people rather than a virtual group, and IMHO there shouldn't be any difference. Anyway, Thanksgiving, I hope you all had a good holiday - much to give thanks for, and much to grieve over too. Much to be done if there's not to be less of the first and more of the second this time next year. My very best wishes for that, and everybody else's too I'm sure. All best Keith Hey Keith, Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see, people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and just let their words stand, allowing a little more doubt to be spread amongst the few gullible or uninformed people who might still remain. It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was just washed down with stale water. In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and still clings to some hope that if he keeps his eyes closed tight for long enough that reality will somehow be different. We should all wish him well with his folly on this holiday, as his rude awakening is inevitably just around the corner. Todd Swearingen Michael Jones wrote: And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this. Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion? Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some substance to it is required please. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
Both the Post and NYT ran a short blurb on it and CNN mentioned it (briefly). According to the BBC and the London papers, the fellow who "leaked" it has been arrested and is awaiting trial.Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard that The Wasington Post had picked up this story - anyone have more info?Walker (Ben W. Gardner)___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel
Hi Keith, This is excellent information. One further point to add to this discussion is that agriculture land is not being preserved. Other uses such as industry, retail/wholesale properites, housing and many non agricultural users are all using good land that is suitable for growing crops. The other problem is that livestock producers use 90% of the grains grown in North America to feed livestock. (Using that land to grow plant foods to feed humans is much better use of land; livestock should be grazed on marginal land only) Also cash crops, such as sugar cane, tobacco and coffee, use a lot of land in third world countries were starvation is an issue. My other point to add to this issue of solving the land use problem would be that we should not follow the petroleum pattern. Having a few huge big players creating a single type of energy for a very large number of consumers is not a good solution. Small energy producers producing a large variety of different types of energy for a small number of consumers is a better solution. My point is that we do not all have to use Bio Fuel. Here in British Columbia, Canada we have a surplus of Hydro Electricity and we also have the University of British Columbia working on creating fuel cells. By using clean Hydro electricity plus wind, solar, tides (lunar), geothermal, micro hydro and many types of alternative energies, we could have a small number of people driving cars using hydrogen fuel cells. Some urban people might use battery powered cars. Then we could create other solutions such as car sharing, better transit and the New Urbanism, smart growth ideas. In summary, Global Warming is a bigger issue than using too much land for growing crops for Bio Fuel. Terry Dyck From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:51:30 +0900 Hello Jim See below... I saw an article in the Trader's Dispatch ( an agricultural paper printed in Valier Montana) that made me wonder who will win the race. First some background: The paper showed a vendor of one of these super duper biodiesel automatic generators showing a crowd that included the State Governor how fast and simple it is to make Biodiesel. Some rancher friends said he gave the Governor a gallon of Biodiesel. As I understand it this guy started with some WVO and in about 3 hours presented the Gov with a gallon of the good stuff. ( according to a friend of mine who goaded me about taking so long to produce my Bio) Anyway I explained that Good Bio needs some time to do right or else it is not worth putting in the tank. So, now I see these fleecers selling these new wonder super dupers and spreading their form of the gospel about Biodiesel while they sell these to the uninitiated public for 5-10K a pop. Now on the other hand we have the people that care about Biodiesel and what it takes to produce quality fuel-getting the word of truth out about the fuel. I now go back to my question, who will win the race to get the message out? Why does this seem so like the Current U.S. Administration vs the public? or do am I just to cynical? Jim http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html#howmuch How much fuel can we grow? How much land will it take? Two very frequently asked questions. Frequently given answers: Not enough and Too much. Are they the right answers? Seeking to bridge the seemingly unbridgeable gap, there's widespread fascination with high-yielding oil crops, particularly oil-bearing algae, with oil palms running second. It seems obvious that the highest-yielding crops will produce the most energy from the least amount of land. But high yield is not the only factor in farming, and it may not always be the most important factor. It can make more sense for a farmer to grow a lower-yielding crop if it has more useful by-products or requires fewer inputs or less labour or it fixes more soil nitrogen for fertiliser or it fits a crop rotation better. Or if it fits an integrated on-farm biofuels production system better. The how-much-land estimates don't seem to include such things as integrated on-farm biofuels production systems. There are quite a lot of things they don't include. Sustainable farming Biofuels crops have to be grown, and there's a lot of common ground between growing sustainable fuel and growing food sustainably. Large-scale industrialised farms claim to be the most efficient. They concentrate on growing high-yielding monocrops (only one crop) by mass-production methods with a lot of inputs, and they use a lot of fossil-fuel to do it. A sustainable mixed farm can produce all its own fuel, with much or possibly all of it coming from crop by-products and waste products without any dedicated land use, and with very low input levels. That sheds a different light on how much land is needed to grow enough
Re: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel
And we're not even into water, dropping aquifers, and the amount it takes for one pound of beef. Terry Dyck wrote: Hi Keith, This is excellent information. One further point to add to this discussion is that agriculture land is not being preserved. Other uses such as industry, retail/wholesale properites, housing and many non agricultural users are all using good land that is suitable for growing crops. The other problem is that livestock producers use 90% of the grains grown in North America to feed livestock. (Using that land to grow plant foods to feed humans is much better use of land; livestock should be grazed on marginal land only) Also cash crops, such as sugar cane, tobacco and coffee, use a lot of land in third world countries were starvation is an issue. My other point to add to this issue of solving the land use problem would be that we should not follow the petroleum pattern. Having a few huge big players creating a single type of energy for a very large number of consumers is not a good solution. Small energy producers producing a large variety of different types of energy for a small number of consumers is a better solution. My point is that we do not all have to use Bio Fuel. Here in British Columbia, Canada we have a surplus of Hydro Electricity and we also have the University of British Columbia working on creating fuel cells. By using clean Hydro electricity plus wind, solar, tides (lunar), geothermal, micro hydro and many types of alternative energies, we could have a small number of people driving cars using hydrogen fuel cells. Some urban people might use battery powered cars. Then we could create other solutions such as car sharing, better transit and the New Urbanism, smart growth ideas. In summary, Global Warming is a bigger issue than using too much land for growing crops for Bio Fuel. Terry Dyck From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] The bad news about Biodiesel Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:51:30 +0900 Hello Jim See below... I saw an article in the Trader's Dispatch ( an agricultural paper printed in Valier Montana) that made me wonder who will win the race. First some background: The paper showed a vendor of one of these super duper biodiesel automatic generators showing a crowd that included the State Governor how fast and simple it is to make Biodiesel. Some rancher friends said he gave the Governor a gallon of Biodiesel. As I understand it this guy started with some WVO and in about 3 hours presented the Gov with a gallon of the good stuff. ( according to a friend of mine who goaded me about taking so long to produce my Bio) Anyway I explained that Good Bio needs some time to do right or else it is not worth putting in the tank. So, now I see these fleecers selling these new wonder super dupers and spreading their form of the gospel about Biodiesel while they sell these to the uninitiated public for 5-10K a pop. Now on the other hand we have the people that care about Biodiesel and what it takes to produce quality fuel-getting the word of truth out about the fuel. I now go back to my question, who will win the race to get the message out? Why does this seem so like the Current U.S. Administration vs the public? or do am I just to cynical? Jim http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html#howmuch How much fuel can we grow? How much land will it take? Two very frequently asked questions. Frequently given answers: Not enough and Too much. Are they the right answers? Seeking to bridge the seemingly unbridgeable gap, there's widespread fascination with high-yielding oil crops, particularly oil-bearing algae, with oil palms running second. It seems obvious that the highest-yielding crops will produce the most energy from the least amount of land. But high yield is not the only factor in farming, and it may not always be the most important factor. It can make more sense for a farmer to grow a lower-yielding crop if it has more useful by-products or requires fewer inputs or less labour or it fixes more soil nitrogen for fertiliser or it fits a crop rotation better. Or if it fits an integrated on-farm biofuels production system better. The how-much-land estimates don't seem to include such things as integrated on-farm biofuels production systems. There are quite a lot of things they don't include. Sustainable farming Biofuels crops have to be grown, and there's a lot of common ground between growing sustainable fuel and growing food sustainably. Large-scale industrialised farms claim to be the most efficient. They concentrate on growing high-yielding monocrops (only one crop) by mass-production methods with a lot of inputs, and they use a lot of fossil-fuel to do it. A sustainable mixed farm can produce all its own fuel, with much or possibly all of it coming from crop by-products and waste products without any
[Biofuel] Aircraft down was/ Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning
There are so many who remember so much better than I do .. call it senior moments .. but there is a web site that lists the abnormalities behind the downing of an aircraft out of New York. .. and of course .. that's exactly what it did. Does anyone remember that site? Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: Walker Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:43:47 -0700 This idea surfaces every couple of years and is totally impractical. Example: In the '60s I was briefly stationed at Treasure Island, California (middle of SF Bay). We had an AN-SPS30 Radar (i.e., microwave) installation on the island (6MW) that the city of San Francisco wouldn't let the Navy turn on because it lit up every fluorescent bulb in a 10-mile radius. A typical power plant generates Gigawatts, not Megawatts...imagine what a several a GW beam would do to anything that got in the way. Walker Bennett Sedona, Arizona I do not fear computers. I fear lack of them. --Isaac Asimov My personal homepage My writing portfolio In The Beginning - ISBN: 1-4116-3848-4 Just In Time - ISBN 1-4116-3851-4 Available from Amazon.Com Ad Astra - Coming Soon from Cydonia Publishing -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Phee Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 9:35 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nikola Tesla, The Master of Lightning Actually, you can transmit power over the air using microwaves. To the best of my knowledge this is proven, but I have no idea about the efficiencies.. There were stories a year or two ago about setting up solar panels on the moon and transmitting the power back down to earth using microwaves. http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/lunar_power_000712.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
Keith, We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. You're correct. But it takes all the fun out of it if nipped in the bud. Much more entertaining to watch them swing in the wind on a rope of their own choosing. Give 'em enough rope to hang themselves and most usually will. Todd Swearingen Hi Todd You could be right, I don't know. Maybe it's a genuine comment - what do the latest polls say about how many Americans still believe Saddam Hussein was linked to 9/11 and Al Qaeda and his WMD threatened the US? How long ago did we totally trash all that here, three years ago or was it four? But I'm not concerned about what he thinks or what he believes, you don't just simply ignore people who question what you've said. Or not here anyway. We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. Best put a stop to it at the outset. It's an example, I'm not saying it applies to Michael. But he made a statement, it's been questioned, he should either support his statement or withdraw it. That's what he'd have to do if it was a face-to-face discussion among a group of people rather than a virtual group, and IMHO there shouldn't be any difference. Anyway, Thanksgiving, I hope you all had a good holiday - much to give thanks for, and much to grieve over too. Much to be done if there's not to be less of the first and more of the second this time next year. My very best wishes for that, and everybody else's too I'm sure. All best Keith Hey Keith, Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see, people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and just let their words stand, allowing a little more doubt to be spread amongst the few gullible or uninformed people who might still remain. It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was just washed down with stale water. In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and still clings to some hope that if he keeps his eyes closed tight for long enough that reality will somehow be different. We should all wish him well with his folly on this holiday, as his rude awakening is inevitably just around the corner. Todd Swearingen Michael Jones wrote: And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this. Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion? Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some substance to it is required please. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
But they are taking us with them. Appal Energy wrote: Keith, We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. You're correct. But it takes all the fun out of it if nipped in the bud. Much more entertaining to watch them swing in the wind on a rope of their own choosing. Give 'em enough rope to hang themselves and most usually will. Todd Swearingen Hi Todd You could be right, I don't know. Maybe it's a genuine comment - what do the latest polls say about how many Americans still believe Saddam Hussein was linked to 9/11 and Al Qaeda and his WMD threatened the US? How long ago did we totally trash all that here, three years ago or was it four? But I'm not concerned about what he thinks or what he believes, you don't just simply ignore people who question what you've said. Or not here anyway. We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. Best put a stop to it at the outset. It's an example, I'm not saying it applies to Michael. But he made a statement, it's been questioned, he should either support his statement or withdraw it. That's what he'd have to do if it was a face-to-face discussion among a group of people rather than a virtual group, and IMHO there shouldn't be any difference. Anyway, Thanksgiving, I hope you all had a good holiday - much to give thanks for, and much to grieve over too. Much to be done if there's not to be less of the first and more of the second this time next year. My very best wishes for that, and everybody else's too I'm sure. All best Keith Hey Keith, Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see, people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and just let their words stand, allowing a little more doubt to be spread amongst the few gullible or uninformed people who might still remain. It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was just washed down with stale water. In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and still clings to some hope that if he keeps his eyes closed tight for long enough that reality will somehow be different. We should all wish him well with his folly on this holiday, as his rude awakening is inevitably just around the corner. Todd Swearingen Michael Jones wrote: And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this. Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion? Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some substance to it is required please. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
We could only hope so! On 11/25/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would probably prove fatal to Cheney.Fred Finch wrote: I think Chaney is too busy hiding in an undisclosed location. On 11/24/05, *Ken Riznyk* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can impeach him. --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely. Absolutely lovely. If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally have a mad man loose in the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his own thoughts for one moment for the duration of his term of office. That or stack it on the list of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, for his impeachement. Todd Swearingenhttp://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab AllyMadness of war memoBy Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals.But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash. A source said: There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation.A source said last night: The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush. He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem. There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it.A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been humorous, not serious.But another source declared: Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men.Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions.I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war.Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year.At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah.Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims.The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West.Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha. Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of collateral damage.Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists.To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself.The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors.In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two smart bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre. The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke.Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court next week.Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10.He said Mr O'Connor had behaved perfectly correctly.Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10 did not comment.Copyright - The Mirror ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
Mike, Are they really? Then all the more reason to let them evidence their own stupidity and ignorance. There's a biblical verse that I've always been partial to. It's My people perish for lack of knowledge. They did then (although it refers more towards spiritual knowledge) and they still do now. Let others display how patently little they know and oddly enough everyone becomes a little bit wiser.. Todd Swearingen But they are taking us with them. Appal Energy wrote: Keith, We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. You're correct. But it takes all the fun out of it if nipped in the bud. Much more entertaining to watch them swing in the wind on a rope of their own choosing. Give 'em enough rope to hang themselves and most usually will. Todd Swearingen Hi Todd You could be right, I don't know. Maybe it's a genuine comment - what do the latest polls say about how many Americans still believe Saddam Hussein was linked to 9/11 and Al Qaeda and his WMD threatened the US? How long ago did we totally trash all that here, three years ago or was it four? But I'm not concerned about what he thinks or what he believes, you don't just simply ignore people who question what you've said. Or not here anyway. We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. Best put a stop to it at the outset. It's an example, I'm not saying it applies to Michael. But he made a statement, it's been questioned, he should either support his statement or withdraw it. That's what he'd have to do if it was a face-to-face discussion among a group of people rather than a virtual group, and IMHO there shouldn't be any difference. Anyway, Thanksgiving, I hope you all had a good holiday - much to give thanks for, and much to grieve over too. Much to be done if there's not to be less of the first and more of the second this time next year. My very best wishes for that, and everybody else's too I'm sure. All best Keith Hey Keith, Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see, people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and just let their words stand, allowing a little more doubt to be spread amongst the few gullible or uninformed people who might still remain. It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was just washed down with stale water. In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and still clings to some hope that if he keeps his eyes closed tight for long enough that reality will somehow be different. We should all wish him well with his folly on this holiday, as his rude awakening is inevitably just around the corner. Todd Swearingen Michael Jones wrote: And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this. Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion? Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some substance to it is required please. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] politics of oil
http://www.archive.org/details/PoliticsOfOilA Journey in the political economics of oil exploitation in Latin America. How consumer countries manipulate the producer countries taking latin America in the 21st. century to illustrate this. Three countries used to illustrate this realpolitik; Tactic illustrated are threefold: Divide and Conquer: Bolivia, Privatization resulting from heavy indebtedness: Argentina and a Coup d'Etat in Venezuela.Director: Tony PhillipsProducer: Thomas HardmanProduction Company: Project AllendeAudio/Visual: sound, colorLanguage: US EnglishWindows Media (18 MB) Real Media (18 MB) QuickTime (19 MB) Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Tesla's power scheme - the real story
He was a visionary. He wanted to give everyone access to power. His transmission scheme at Warden was to ionize a channel to the ionosphere and not to broadcast. Broadcasting was a different device. The Warden tower had a bank of mercury vapor uv lamps to give the high voltage an assist in breaking down a channel. The ionosphere is fairly conductive compared to the trophosphere. It would conduct to another ionized channel at a power station such as the huge falls in Africa. His idea was to cheaply link loads to sources. The miles of wire and towers is what he was going to eliminate. As to converting this enormous power to the local grid or whatever I have my doubts. He was playing with enormous power. Makes our hv transmission look simple.KirkKeith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tesla was a little nutzo. He spent years trying totransmit electricity through the air like radio waves.He invented the Tesla coil and the Tesla turbine. Ithink if you link up Turk's waste oil burner with theTesla turbine you could have a winner.KenOne of his biographers thought he came from the planet Venus. Well, maybe he did. Maybe what he was trying to do with all his fireworks was warm the place up a bit, it's such a cold planet by comparison. As yet, anyway (watch this space)...BestKeith--- bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Rexis Tree wrote: http://www.uncletaz.com/library/scimath/tesla/teslacar.html Facinating, we had an era of electric car in the pass. Nikola Tesla is the reason we are using AC power today. He invented an electric car power source that require no charging and can power an 80hp car to 90 mph. from the link: "with an 80-horsepower alternating-current electric motor with no external power source. At a local radio shop he bought 12 vacuum tubes, some wires and assorted resistors, and assembled them in a circuit box 24 inches long, 12 inches wide and 6 inches high, with a pair of 3-inch rods sticking out. Getting into the car with the circuit box in the front seat beside him, he pushed the rods in, announced, "We now have power," and proceeded to test drive the car for a week, often at speeds of up to 90 mph. As it was an alternating-current motor and there were no batteries involved, where did the power come from?"the question shouldn't be where did the power come from but where did the srory come? this is obviously mythology. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob "Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves" - Richard Feynman___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
