Re: [Biofuel] Jan's Methanol test
Joe, I've taken a while to respond toyour question becauseI have been tweaking my process. Ialso produced what seemed to be good BD, but invariably a very small residue would remain undissolved in the methanol. I wasn't sure that it was possible to make BD that passed the test. -I reduced my volume of oil to 20 gal (76L).(Iuse a 1" clearwater pumpfor agitation). -Raised the temp to 150F (Ina sealed water heater w. vented pressure relief valve.) -Increased the reaction time to 2.5 hrs. -Increased methanol from 4 to 4.5 gal I also use oil that is dry and consistently gives titrations of 1 - 1.2 g/L With all of this I finally produced BD that passedJan's Methanol Test. I havesince made a few adjustments in the interest of energy, time,and $. 1. (Based on a response by Bob Allen) I add the methoxide when temp is about 130F. Pump and heater continue to operate until temp is 150F (about 1 hour). I then turn off heater andallow the pump to run for another 1.5 hours. Final temp is about 140F. BD still passed Jan's Methanol Test. 2. I then went back to 4 gal of methanol (20% of Vol of oil). BD still passed Jan's test. Tom - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Jan's Methanol test Hi All;The other day I threw out a question but it was an afterthought on another thread. Nobody has answered so here I am trying again on a specific thread. I am interested to know how many on the list do Jan Warnqvist's methanol test and how much precipitate do people get? How much is ok? The description states that every 1 ml equals 4% contaminate and indicates what 'causes washing problems' I have absolutely no washing problems now with the way my reactor is running, my BD has a density of 0.88, there is a dramatic lightening of color after the split, I get a reasonable amount of glycerine (not that this means a hell of a lot) but as an example, last batch was horrible oil I had to use 15.5 grams of KOH per liter oil and I ended up with 23 liters of BD at the end out of 25 liters oil. The first wash water was milky white and the 4th was almost like drinking water and the PH was 7.3 vs 7.4 before washing. No detectable 3rd layer formed at any stage of the process. By all accounts this should be good quality fuel but I will still get a little fallout from the methanol test ( I haven't quantified it yet because I didn't do in in a graduated cylinder but there is definitely a clear amber liquid phase at the bottom on the tube after settling)So my question once again is who else uses this test and how is it going for you? Does anyone get a perfect result (no fallout) from this test? And finally should I be concerned by a couple of percent contamination in my fuel?I did search the mail archive twice using 'methanol test' and also 'Jan Warnqvist' as keywords, but the returns were not so informative. List members I need your wisdom!Jan perhaps you are most qualified to answer but I would really like to get a sense of the percentage of the list members who are running this test. So chime in!Joe ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: Public radio wants your help covering sustainabilty
Fwd from SANET-MG, the Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group. Reply direct to Joellen Easton. See also second message below. - K Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:29:54 -0800 From: Easton, Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Public radio wants your help covering sustainabilty To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi- My name is Joellen Easton, and I work for the public radio show http://www.marketplace.org/Marketplace. We've been covering environmental and energy stories for years, but this fall we've made a commitment to covering sustainability issues in new and deeper ways. We're treating sustainability in its broadest sense - as an emerging principle that applies not just to environmental issues, but to the economy, politics, architecture, design and communities And we need your input. Marketplace wants to tap the knowledge, insight and direct experience of people involved in sustainability issues to help inform and design our coverage... people like you. We're hoping you'll also help us find and break new stories. I joined the Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group listserv so I can hear the buzz, discover new and bold ideas, and -- I hope -- engage you as a public source. http://www.publicradio.org/sustainabilitysurvey/Click here to share your thoughts on issues you think Marketplace should cover. We'll send you an email every month or two asking for help with specific stories. You can respond to the ones that are relevant to you, and ignore the rest. Or if you just want to make contact for now, you can http://americanpublicmedia.publicradio.org/publicinsightjournalism/co ntact_signup.phptell us about your expertise and interests, and I'll be in touch about our story plans. By clicking on either of the above links and filling out the surveys, you're helping us learn from smart people across the country who are engaged with sustainability in various ways. You can also email me directly with questions, ideas for coverage, and tips on stories. Thanks, Joellen Easton Analyst, Public Insight Journalism Marketplace | Marketplace Morning Report | Marketplace Money American Public Media PS: If the links above don't work, try these instead: Link to sustainability survey/signup form: http://www.publicradio.org/sustainabilitysurvey/ Link to general signup form: http://americanpublicmedia.publicradio.org/publicinsightjournalism/con tact_signup.php Second message: From: Babin, Janet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Public radio wants your help covering sustainabilty To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I too work for Marketplace, and have been on the listserv for years. Some of you already email me ideas.but a reminder that if you have a story about a technique that would fall under the 'innovation' category, please feel free to call or email me directly. Thanks, Janet Babin Innovations Desk - WUNCFM Marketplace - American Public Media o.919-445-9178 c.216-224-9050 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Why we Fight
http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/ Finally someone who gets it places the entire composite in one place for public viewing. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Public radio wants your help covering sustainabilty
i just tried to go to the link http://www.publicradio.org/sustainabilitysurvey/ to share my thoughts and it appears to be flooded... lol Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:03 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Public radio wants your help covering sustainabilty Fwd from SANET-MG, the Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group. Reply direct to Joellen Easton. See also second message below. - K Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:29:54 -0800 From: Easton, Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Public radio wants your help covering sustainabilty To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi- My name is Joellen Easton, and I work for the public radio show http://www.marketplace.org/Marketplace. We've been covering environmental and energy stories for years, but this fall we've made a commitment to covering sustainability issues in new and deeper ways. We're treating sustainability in its broadest sense - as an emerging principle that applies not just to environmental issues, but to the economy, politics, architecture, design and communities And we need your input. Marketplace wants to tap the knowledge, insight and direct experience of people involved in sustainability issues to help inform and design our coverage... people like you. We're hoping you'll also help us find and break new stories. I joined the Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group listserv so I can hear the buzz, discover new and bold ideas, and -- I hope -- engage you as a public source. http://www.publicradio.org/sustainabilitysurvey/Click here to share your thoughts on issues you think Marketplace should cover. We'll send you an email every month or two asking for help with specific stories. You can respond to the ones that are relevant to you, and ignore the rest. Or if you just want to make contact for now, you can http://americanpublicmedia.publicradio.org/publicinsightjournalism/co ntact_signup.phptell us about your expertise and interests, and I'll be in touch about our story plans. By clicking on either of the above links and filling out the surveys, you're helping us learn from smart people across the country who are engaged with sustainability in various ways. You can also email me directly with questions, ideas for coverage, and tips on stories. Thanks, Joellen Easton Analyst, Public Insight Journalism Marketplace | Marketplace Morning Report | Marketplace Money American Public Media PS: If the links above don't work, try these instead: Link to sustainability survey/signup form: http://www.publicradio.org/sustainabilitysurvey/ Link to general signup form: http://americanpublicmedia.publicradio.org/publicinsightjournalism/con tact_signup.php Second message: From: Babin, Janet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Public radio wants your help covering sustainabilty To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I too work for Marketplace, and have been on the listserv for years. Some of you already email me ideas.but a reminder that if you have a story about a technique that would fall under the 'innovation' category, please feel free to call or email me directly. Thanks, Janet Babin Innovations Desk - WUNCFM Marketplace - American Public Media o.919-445-9178 c.216-224-9050 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Video: Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
See also: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg59309.html [Biofuel] Former Economic Hit Man John Perkins on The First Truly Glo http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg45962.html Re: [Biofuel] Confessions of an Economic Hit Man - Video: Confessions of an Economic Hit Man ByJohn Perkins Since world war two we've managed to create history's first truly global empire. This has been done by the corporatocracy, which are a few men and women who run our major corporations and in doing so also run the U.S. government and many other governments around the world. Real video http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11681.htm Video: Confessions of an Economic Hit Man John Perkins Since world war two we've managed to create history's first truly global empire. This has been done by the corporatocracy, which are a few men and women who run our major corporations and in doing so also run the U.S. government and many other governments around the world. Click Play To View From 1971 to 1981 John Perkins worked as a chief economist for Chas. T. Main, a Massachusetts-based international strategic consulting firm. During this time Mr. Perkins said his job was to trick developing countries into taking enormous loans from the World Bank in order to construct or repair their domestic infrastructure. These loans were given with the understanding that these countries would then use those loans to pay U.S. corporations to complete these constructing and engineering projects. The author writes that when these developing countries were eventually unable to pay off these sizable debts, the United States, World Bank, or IMF would step in and control the country's security arrangements and budgetary structure. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jan's Methanol test
Great news Tom and congradulations. I am going through those refinements myself. I have been raising the reactor temperature little by little. I suppose I'll have to think about pressure when I get up above 60 degrees C to avoid losing methanol to evaporation. The thermostat turns off at 57 right now and on at 53. Also my feed stock is pretty bad. Last couple of batches had to be reacted twice since a single step was not enough. I should start thinking about acid-base I guess. You are lucky to have access to such good oil! Thanks for the excellent information. Joe Thomas Kelly wrote: Joe, I've taken a while to respond toyour question becauseI have been tweaking my process. Ialso produced what seemed to be good BD, but invariably a very small residue would remain undissolved in the methanol. I wasn't sure that it was possible to make BD that passed the test. -I reduced my volume of oil to 20 gal (76L).(Iuse a 1" clearwater pumpfor agitation). -Raised the temp to 150F (Ina sealed water heater w. vented pressure relief valve.) -Increased the reaction time to 2.5 hrs. -Increased methanol from 4 to 4.5 gal I also use oil that is dry and consistently gives titrations of 1 - 1.2 g/L With all of this I finally produced BD that passedJan's Methanol Test. I havesince made a few adjustments in the interest of energy, time,and $. 1. (Based on a response by Bob Allen) I add the methoxide when temp is about 130F. Pump and heater continue to operate until temp is 150F (about 1 hour). I then turn off heater andallow the pump to run for another 1.5 hours. Final temp is about 140F. BD still passed Jan's Methanol Test. 2. I then went back to 4 gal of methanol (20% of Vol of oil). BD still passed Jan's test. Tom - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Jan's Methanol test Hi All; The other day I threw out a question but it was an afterthought on another thread. Nobody has answered so here I am trying again on a specific thread. I am interested to know how many on the list do Jan Warnqvist's methanol test and how much precipitate do people get? How much is ok? The description states that every 1 ml equals 4% contaminate and indicates what 'causes washing problems' I have absolutely no washing problems now with the way my reactor is running, my BD has a density of 0.88, there is a dramatic lightening of color after the split, I get a reasonable amount of glycerine (not that this means a hell of a lot) but as an example, last batch was horrible oil I had to use 15.5 grams of KOH per liter oil and I ended up with 23 liters of BD at the end out of 25 liters oil. The first wash water was milky white and the 4th was almost like drinking water and the PH was 7.3 vs 7.4 before washing. No detectable 3rd layer formed at any stage of the process. By all accounts this should be good quality fuel but I will still get a little fallout from the methanol test ( I haven't quantified it yet because I didn't do in in a graduated cylinder but there is definitely a clear amber liquid phase at the bottom on the tube after settling) So my question once again is who else uses this test and how is it going for you? Does anyone get a perfect result (no fallout) from this test? And finally should I be concerned by a couple of percent contamination in my fuel? I did search the mail archive twice using 'methanol test' and also 'Jan Warnqvist' as keywords, but the returns were not so informative. List members I need your wisdom! Jan perhaps you are most qualified to answer but I would really like to get a sense of the percentage of the list members who are running this test. So chime in! Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Adventures in Composting
Hi Robert Hello everyone! I like what my power shredder does to the organic material around my property, but I HATE operating the thing. It's hard to start, bogs easily and burns an awful lot of fuel for such a small engine . . . I've been wanting to ask ever since. Didn't you forget to say it stinks? I've been grousing at our chainsaws because they use too much fuel and they stink. But they start easily, highly important with pull-start engines, IMHO. Fuel ethanol would solve both the consumption and stink problems but it fails to attract if it's going to be a hassle to start the thing, maybe there are ways to solve that though (not that we have any fuel ethanol yet anyway). Didn't you decide on fitting it with an electric motor? Could you use a belt-drive with it? I keep thinking you need one of these old Yanmar diesels, like the one that powers our shredder. http://journeytoforever.org/compost_shred.html Compost shredder It starts immediately (hand-crank and decompressor, and a squirt of gasoline), even when it's cold, it sips biodiesel, it doesn't stink and it works just fine. It's 3.5 hp. There's another one in our rotavator (cultivator), it works just the same, never a problem. The rotavator's at least 30 years old. I really enjoy using it. (Only we don't use it for rotavating.) We had another old 3.5 hp Yanmar, just the same, in an old rice combine. Nice old machine, small, you walked behind it like a cultivator. It was junked though and we're never going to need a rice combine anyway, and we needed the space it was filling, so we gave it to a junk dealer, then he agreed to take a whole lot of other junk too that didn't have any value. I'm sure the Yanmar would have started up first time. It seems you find them easily here in Japan and in many 3rd World countries but not in the other industrialised countries, just the Chinese Yanmar rip-offs. I really like the old shredder too. I resurrected it from a twisted, rusty, broken and seized pile of junk, and it just does the job. We've put tons of stuff through it, not just for compost, also large amounts of mulch. Actually we have another one too, similar but with a different action. We found it buried in a corner of one of our sheds, but I haven't hitched it to the Yanmar yet. Anyway, here's the gist of my post for today. Using the power compost method I find that I have way more compost in a relatively short time than I've ever had available before. Does that mean you have to find way more materials too? I put shredded material (mostly cuttings from our garden and vegetable stems that are tough) into the top of my plastic composter and unload material from the bottom. (We also put in all of our kitchen scraps, and the waste from our bunny cage.) What's the volume of the plastic composter? It gets warm, compared to the atmosphere around it, but I think it's still too wet to really get hot. (And once the weather turned cool, I stopped putting organic compost enhancement liquid on the pile.) It could have used the N but not the extra liquid. When I shovel compost from the bottom of the bin, it has a sweet, earthy smell to it Good test. and aside from the remnants of straw residue (which doesn't break down very well, even after it's gone through the shredder Straw's not so easy, it needs a special microorganism. The most promising results were obtained when the straw was subjected to the action of a culture of an aerobic cellulose decomposing organism (Spirochoeta cytophaga), whose activities were found to depend on the mineral substances present in the culture fluid. The essential factors in the production of well-rotted farmyard manure [ie compost] from straw were found to be: air supply; a suitable temperature, and a small amount of soluble combined nitrogen. The fermentation was aerobic; the breakdown of the straw was most rapid in a neutral or slightly alkaline medium in the presence of sufficient available nitrogen. Urine, urea, ammonium carbonate and peptone (within certain concentrations) were all useful forms of combined nitrogen. (Ahem.) Too much moisture, not enough air supply. To make thermophilic (hot) compost you'd need more dry browns (on the C side of the C:N ratio) and maybe more bulk. And it's probably easier to get it working right when you make it all at once instead of filling the bin up steadily. You're making mesophilic compost, and it's being quite quick about it because the worms are finishing the job at the bottom. Important to have this kind of compost in contact with the earth (with thermophilic compost you might have it off the ground to provide air supply from underneath). Compost like this is just fine, but the quantity is often too low. How much are you producing? Approx average volume per year, say? Also it won't kill weed seeds, and there are other things too that won't be killed at those temperatures, nor necessarily by the worms, but
Re: [Biofuel] Jan's Methanol test
good info, Joe and Tom. ty What are some good rules of thumb when looking for used veg oil? We have access to almost any kind of restaurant imaginable, here. Are some restaurants disposing of cleaner oil than others? Does it make a difference what has been cooked in the oil? For instance if a restaurant fries primarily fish products will that yield an oil with less fats? Is that a good thing for producing biodiesel? -Mark -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Joe StreetSent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:03 AMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Jan's Methanol testGreat news Tom and congradulations. I am going through those refinements myself. I have been raising the reactor temperature little by little. I suppose I'll have to think about pressure when I get up above 60 degrees C to avoid losing methanol to evaporation. The thermostat turns off at 57 right now and on at 53. Also my feed stock is pretty bad. Last couple of batches had to be reacted twice since a single step was not enough. I should start thinking about acid-base I guess.You are lucky to have access to such good oil! Thanks for the excellent information.JoeThomas Kelly wrote: Joe, I've taken a while to respond toyour question becauseI have been tweaking my process. Ialso produced what seemed to be good BD, but invariably a very small residue would remain undissolved in the methanol. I wasn't sure that it was possible to make BD that passed the test. -I reduced my volume of oil to 20 gal (76L).(Iuse a 1" clearwater pumpfor agitation). -Raised the temp to 150F (Ina sealed water heater w. vented pressure relief valve.) -Increased the reaction time to 2.5 hrs. -Increased methanol from 4 to 4.5 gal I also use oil that is dry and consistently gives titrations of 1 - 1.2 g/L With all of this I finally produced BD that passedJan's Methanol Test. I havesince made a few adjustments in the interest of energy, time,and $. 1. (Based on a response by Bob Allen) I add the methoxide when temp is about 130F. Pump and heater continue to operate until temp is 150F (about 1 hour). I then turn off heater andallow the pump to run for another 1.5 hours. Final temp is about 140F. BD still passed Jan's Methanol Test. 2. I then went back to 4 gal of methanol (20% of Vol of oil). BD still passed Jan's test. Tom - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Jan's Methanol test Hi All;The other day I threw out a question but it was an afterthought on another thread. Nobody has answered so here I am trying again on a specific thread. I am interested to know how many on the list do Jan Warnqvist's methanol test and how much precipitate do people get? How much is ok? The description states that every 1 ml equals 4% contaminate and indicates what 'causes washing problems' I have absolutely no washing problems now with the way my reactor is running, my BD has a density of 0.88, there is a dramatic lightening of color after the split, I get a reasonable amount of glycerine (not that this means a hell of a lot) but as an example, last batch was horrible oil I had to use 15.5 grams of KOH per liter oil and I ended up with 23 liters of BD at the end out of 25 liters oil. The first wash water was milky white and the 4th was almost like drinking water and the PH was 7.3 vs 7.4 before washing. No detectable 3rd layer formed at any stage of the process. By all accounts this should be good quality fuel but I will still get a little fallout from the methanol test ( I haven't quantified it yet because I didn't do in in a graduated cylinder but there is definitely a clear amber liquid phase at the bottom on the tube after settling)So my question once again is who else uses this test and how is it going for you? Does anyone get a perfect result (no fallout) from this test? And finally should I be concerned by a couple of percent contamination in my fuel?I did search the mail archive twice using 'methanol test' and also 'Jan Warnqvist' as keywords, but the returns were not so informative. List members I need your wisdom!Jan perhaps you are most qualified to answer but I would really like to get a sense of the percentage of the list members who are running this test. So chime in!Joe ___Biofuel mailing
[Biofuel] BioPerformance
Anyone ever hear of these guys? http://onedollargaspill.com/ http://greengenie.mybpbiz.com/%5Cindex.asp?pgid=4 http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Consumer/BioPerformance_Gives_Americans_Trucking_Companies_Airlines_and_Everyone_Using_Gas_or_Diesel_Fuels_50776.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Adventures in Composting
Say Keith, if you ever find too many of those old Yanmar diesels, is there a way to ship them here? All I can find are the Chinese knock off''s.fredOn 1/27/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi RobertHello everyone! I like what my power shredder does to the organic material around myproperty, but I HATE operating the thing.It's hard to start, bogseasily and burns an awful lot of fuel for such a small engine . . . I've been wanting to ask ever since. Didn't you forget to say itstinks? I've been grousing at our chainsaws because they use too muchfuel and they stink. But they start easily, highly important withpull-start engines, IMHO. Fuel ethanol would solve both the consumption and stink problems but it fails to attract if it's goingto be a hassle to start the thing, maybe there are ways to solve thatthough (not that we have any fuel ethanol yet anyway).Didn't you decide on fitting it with an electric motor? Could you use a belt-drive with it?I keep thinking you need one of these old Yanmar diesels, like theone that powers our shredder.http://journeytoforever.org/compost_shred.html Compost shredderIt starts immediately (hand-crank and decompressor, and a squirt ofgasoline), even when it's cold, it sips biodiesel, it doesn't stinkand it works just fine. It's 3.5 hp. There's another one in our rotavator (cultivator), it works just the same, never a problem. Therotavator's at least 30 years old. I really enjoy using it. (Only wedon't use it for rotavating.) We had another old 3.5 hp Yanmar, justthe same, in an old rice combine. Nice old machine, small, you walked behind it like a cultivator. It was junked though and we're nevergoing to need a rice combine anyway, and we needed the space it wasfilling, so we gave it to a junk dealer, then he agreed to take awhole lot of other junk too that didn't have any value. I'm sure the Yanmar would have started up first time. It seems you find themeasily here in Japan and in many 3rd World countries but not in theother industrialised countries, just the Chinese Yanmar rip-offs.I really like the old shredder too. I resurrected it from a twisted, rusty, broken and seized pile of junk, and it just does the job.We've put tons of stuff through it, not just for compost, also largeamounts of mulch. Actually we have another one too, similar but witha different action. We found it buried in a corner of one of our sheds, but I haven't hitched it to the Yanmar yet. Anyway, here's the gist of my post for today.Using the powercompost method I find that I have way more compost in a relatively short time than I've ever had available before.Does that mean you have to find way more materials too?I put shreddedmaterial (mostly cuttings from our garden and vegetable stems that are tough) into the top of my plastic composter and unload material fromthe bottom.(We also put in all of our kitchen scraps, and the wastefrom our bunny cage.)What's the volume of the plastic composter? It gets warm, compared to the atmosphere aroundit, but I think it's still too wet to really get hot.(And once theweather turned cool, I stopped putting organic compost enhancementliquid on the pile.) It could have used the N but not the extra liquid.When I shovel compost from the bottom of thebin, it has a sweet, earthy smell to itGood test.and aside from the remnants of straw residue (which doesn't break down very well, even after it'sgone through the shredderStraw's not so easy, it needs a special microorganism. The mostpromising results were obtained when the straw was subjected to the action of a culture of an aerobic cellulose decomposing organism(Spirochoeta cytophaga), whose activities were found to depend on themineral substances present in the culture fluid. The essentialfactors in the production of well-rotted farmyard manure [ie compost] from straw were found to be: air supply; a suitable temperature, anda small amount of soluble combined nitrogen. The fermentation wasaerobic; the breakdown of the straw was most rapid in a neutral orslightly alkaline medium in the presence of sufficient available nitrogen. Urine, urea, ammonium carbonate and peptone (within certainconcentrations) were all useful forms of combined nitrogen. (Ahem.)Too much moisture, not enough air supply.To make thermophilic (hot) compost you'd need more dry browns (on the C side of the C:N ratio) and maybe more bulk. And it's probablyeasier to get it working right when you make it all at once insteadof filling the bin up steadily.You're making mesophilic compost, and it's being quite quick about it because the worms are finishing the job at the bottom. Important tohave this kind of compost in contact with the earth (withthermophilic compost you might have it off the ground to provide airsupply from underneath). Compost like this is just fine, but the quantity is often too low.How much are you producing? Approx average volume per year, say? Alsoit won't kill weed seeds, and there are other things too that won't be killed at those
Re: [Biofuel] BioPerformance
The main site has scam written all over it. Sounds like if anything it's just a fuel injector cleaner. bob allen wrote: no, but I would bet dollars to donuts it's all BS. caveat emptor Marty Phee wrote: Anyone ever hear of these guys? http://onedollargaspill.com/ http://greengenie.mybpbiz.com/%5Cindex.asp?pgid=4 http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Consumer/BioPerformance_Gives_Americans_Trucking_Companies_Airlines_and_Everyone_Using_Gas_or_Diesel_Fuels_50776.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BioPerformance
no, but I would bet dollars to donuts it's all BS. caveat emptor Marty Phee wrote: Anyone ever hear of these guys? http://onedollargaspill.com/ http://greengenie.mybpbiz.com/%5Cindex.asp?pgid=4 http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Consumer/BioPerformance_Gives_Americans_Trucking_Companies_Airlines_and_Everyone_Using_Gas_or_Diesel_Fuels_50776.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Adventures in Composting
Keith Addison wrote: (Power Shredder) I've been wanting to ask ever since. Didn't you forget to say it stinks? I've been grousing at our chainsaws because they use too much fuel and they stink. Yes. It's a foul, noisome reek! The rattling, noise and stench all scream of inefficiency . . . Didn't you decide on fitting it with an electric motor? Could you use a belt-drive with it? It's got a clutch and a belt drive on it already. I think adapting it for an electric motor would be a relatively straightforward proposition. There are two issues with this approach right now. The first is financial. (I've left a career position to work at home, and my income is inconsistent, at best.) I'm very reluctant to spend ANY money because I'm never sure when my next influx of income will occur. (And I just spent over $400 on repairs to our natural gas boiler!) The second relates to time and energy. I have several projects on the go, including the unfinished business of a new computer for my supercharged truck. As the weather warms, I have an increasing amount of yard work to do as well. The horsetail rhizomes are starting to poke their spore producing heads through the ground already. I've transplanted several large plants, as well as three blackberry vines, to various places around the property, and I need to transplant my peach trees as well. Because we have access to inexpensive grid power, I believe an electric motor will be the best solution for a shredder power source. I keep thinking you need one of these old Yanmar diesels, like the one that powers our shredder. http://journeytoforever.org/compost_shred.html Compost shredder Yeah, that would work too! Small diesels are very hard to find in North America. The Briggs and Stratton 3.5 horse engine I've got powering the shredder is ubiquitous and cheap! (Old Yanmar diesels) I'm sure the Yanmar would have started up first time. It seems you find them easily here in Japan and in many 3rd World countries but not in the other industrialised countries, just the Chinese Yanmar rip-offs. Maybe there's a market for importing these into North America . . . I've noticed several Japanese vehicles (right hand drive) have been imported recently. (And I'd LOVE to get my hands on one of those 4 door turbodiesel Rangers!) I've thought about the Lister models available from India, but these are HEAVY. My shredder has the engine mounted on the top of the thing, and I find it teeters rather precariously as it is. (Compost volume) Does that mean you have to find way more materials too? Partly it's because my garden has grown in. When I trim the plants back, I have more material to compost because all of the plants are much bigger now than when we first planted them. In addition, I shredded EVERYTHING that came out of our garden this year, rather than just throwing it on a pile to rot. Some of the material I shredded this year came from our garden the year before. It had been sitting in a pile and simply didn't decompose, or rather, it was decomposing VERY slowly. I also asked my neighbors for their leaves in the fall. I'm astonished that people throw their leaves away, but then, they think I'm crazy for composting them. What's the volume of the plastic composter? It holds 11 cubic feet of material. We got ours through the municipality for a very low price several years ago, but there's a picture of one here: http://www.cleanairgardening.com/composter.html I think they're asking WAY too much money for that thing! It could have used the N but not the extra liquid. This has been a problem for quite some time. My compost seems most active during the late summer, when it's hot outside and most of the material in the bin dries out. (straw) Straw's not so easy, it needs a special microorganism. The most promising results were obtained when the straw was subjected to the action of a culture of an aerobic cellulose decomposing organism (Spirochoeta cytophaga), whose activities were found to depend on the mineral substances present in the culture fluid. The essential factors in the production of well-rotted farmyard manure [ie compost] from straw were found to be: air supply; a suitable temperature, and a small amount of soluble combined nitrogen. The fermentation was aerobic; the breakdown of the straw was most rapid in a neutral or slightly alkaline medium in the presence of sufficient available nitrogen. Urine, urea, ammonium carbonate and peptone (within certain concentrations) were all useful forms of combined nitrogen. (Ahem.) Too much moisture, not enough air supply. I'm beginning to think the plastic composter itself contributes to this problem, especially toward the bottom where the air supply seems to get choked out by all of the damp material
[Biofuel] Good WVO
Mark wrote: "What are some good rules of thumb when looking for used veg oil? We have access to almost any kind of restaurant imaginable, here. Are some restaurants disposing of cleaner oil than others? Does it make a difference what has been cooked in the oil? For instance if a restaurant fries primarily fish products will that yield an oil with less fats? Is that a good thing for producing biodiesel?" -Mark When I was doing test batches I got samples of oil from several restaurants and found that color and quality varied considerably with titrations ranging from about 1 - 6g/L. If you are lucky enough to have a lot of sources to choose from I would recommend that you get samples of oil from each. Test for water, do titrations, cool samples to see cloud point, etc. Do test batches using oil from the samples. Set up your sources based on volume of oil you need and which samples were the best. I only need about 20 gal WVO/week, so small restaurants that don't have fryelators (sp?) are good sources. They don't produce a large volume of oil, (5 -7 gal/week/restaurant) but it is high quality and they usually don't have contracts w. renderers. The restaurants that give me the best WVO are also ones that serve good food. I frequent these restaurants w. family and friends it fosters a good relationship with the owners/managers/staff. One of the restaurants that I get oil from is a Chinese restaurant. The WVO is black. I was concerned about the color, but it tested very good. I have made good BD with it. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Canada gone really neo-con
Those without an interest in Canadian politics (our second-favourite bloodsport after hockey) can skip this message. OK, the election's over, now can the left-leaning wingnut media in particular, and the Liberal fear-mongers and those taken in by their hysteria, get over themselves? It's a campaign that I felt sank to new lows in terms of advertising in the mass media, and more so in the whispering campaigns. Both major parties were guilty. More frightening to me however is how the negative messages keep resonating, in spite of clear denials and being contrary to known facts (for the few prepared to actually determine facts). Realistically, how scary can a party with roots in the populist Reform party and the traditional Progressive Party (remember the Red Tories?) really be? And anyone who leaps to the conclusion that this group is in league with the U.S. neo-cons just because the party name is Conservative needs a long lesson in Canadian political history. While they may seem the right edge of the spectrum in Canada, I think you'll find they are hardly right-wing in terms of U.S. ideology (or is that idolatry?). The only government that has implemented martial law in this country is not the Conservatives, but the Liberals (FLQ crisis). Compared to the Liberal record in my lifetime, almost anything else in our range of experience in Canada would be better. (see exception immediately following) The closest thing to a fascist government I have experienced was the leftist Ontario NDP government of Bob Rae, which unilaterally tore up legal contracts with public service unions and changed their conditions of employment adversely without any course of appeal. I have an acquaintance in the Canadian military (front-line infantry division) who commented on the Liberal ad that included the reprehensible soldiers, with guns, in our streets line. His response (after years of Liberal military underfunding), when will we get the guns? Another wag commented to the effect of, 'Guns, sure. But will they actually be issued bullets?' By comparison, I figure a minority Conservative government should be pretty innocuous. There are some things in their platform I liked (which is not to be mistaken for a wholesale endorsement). I would like to see accountability in government. It disturbs me that the lead whistle-blower in the Adscam debacle was not elected, losing out to the incumbent representing the party that committed the crimes. That's hardly a ringing endorsement from the electorate for clean, transparent government. I would like to see the fiscal imbalance corrected (the feds have hiked taxes on individuals during the past dozen years, while reneging on commitments to the provinces and municipal governments who actually have to fund most of the programs, like health care). I would like to see the national gun registry, which was designed to make legal and responsible ownership of guns onerous while ignoring the issue of illegal guns, dismantled. I'm not a gun owner, just a taxpayer. I would like to see some honest debate on the issue of Canada's commitment to Kyoto, unlike the Liberal photo-op announcement with no serious follow-up. I would like to see us seriously address the issue of Arctic sovereignty, not just talk about it for another decade. Regarding biofuels, the Conservatives were the only party of the three majors with a quantifiable, verifiable policy: 5% average ethanol content in gasoline and 5% biodiesel content in diesel fuel on a national, annual basis by 2010 (which would have been the end of their mandate if they got a majority). BTW, I see the media have already set the tone for their relationship with PM Harper. Last night he went to the hospital after having some difficulty breathing. The media reported this as an asthma attack, and one commentator went so far as to question if he was fit for office due to the condition. Of course, in reality, it was not an asthma attack (Harper has not suffered from asthma since childhood), he was just being cautious. Not mentioned by any media source I have heard is that he went to a *public* hospital. Unlike the alleged defenders of public health-care, Liberal leader Martin (who goes to a private clinic operated by a friend) or NDP leader Layton (who apparently can't tell the difference between private health care and public, having gone to the private Shouldice Clinic for his surgery), Harper actually uses public health care. Yup, this is definitely a scary, scary guy; he actually *uses* the public health care system. He may actually follow through on the promise to have a free vote on same-sex marriage. Democracy. Definitely scary, scary stuff. Actually, that free-vote thing was a Liberal promise for the last Parliament, but when push came to shove, they panicked and did not allow a real free vote - the Cabinet were required to vote in favour or resign their cabinet positions. Not surprisingly,
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method
Can somebody explain me what is Drano ? Pieter. - Original Message - From: Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method This is more a warning than a question. But many years ago I was told that if you put Drano in a ping pong ball by use of a syringe then seal the hole. Throw the ball in gasoline and run your ass off. The gas was supposed to melt the ball and there was supposed to be a very big explosion. I never tried this although I was young at the time, I was not that stupid. If this is true gas in bio with lye have a negative effect. As I said this maybe a myth but its worth checking on. Good health. Derick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:46 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method A small amount of gasoline in the biodiesel shouldn't affect it too much. Some of the crazy schemes for using unheated SVO call for mixing it with 15% gasoline or such. While I don't think this is necessarily good for the diesel engine, the majority of the problems I have heard of from doing this are not sufficiently dissolving the oil, not problems with the gasoline component per se. It also seems that gasoline should be separable from biodiesel by distillation, because of the much lower vapor pressure of gasoline, although I am not sure about that. Z On 1/26/06, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan, Wouldn't you expect that 500 ppm water would be picked up in any recovered ethanol, due to even a small amount of soap production? also if the ethanol used is for automobile use, is it an E-85 blend, ie, 15% gasoline? If so I would think that the gasoline would partition into any biodiesel made from this alcohol source. How would the gasoline impact the biodiesel? Jan Warnqvist wrote: Hello Bias Antonio, Ken is right, the NaOH dissolves a lot quicker in ethanol if heated. In order to make ethyl esters the quality of the reactants has to be high: ethanol min 99,5% pure and oil with a water content 500 ppm and a stochiometric surplus of ethanol of at least 75% and why not 100% ? The economy of this is depending upon your possibilities of recover the excess ethanol. Good luck to you AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method On Jan 25, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Blas Antonio Guanes wrote: the problem is that, methanol costs 4 $ and pure ethanol for car costs 0.52 $, NaOH is gotten in any part.. KOH is sold in bags of 25 kilos for soap industry.. Here in Paragua it is difficult to get chemical products. for that reason I want know how I can make with oil, ethanol and NaOH Have you tried dissolving NaOH in pure anhydrous ethanol? It is difficult. If you can dissolve the required amount (perhaps by boiling the ethanol/NaOH mixture under reflux), you could possibly make biodiesel out of very clean dry oil. If you only use 3.5g NaOH per liter of oil, or if your ethanol or oil contain any water, you will probably never achieve separation of a glycerine phase. All your ingredients go into a clear solution, and just stay that way forever. Until glycerine separates, you don't have biodiesel. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method
Here in Paraguay absolute alcohol takes place to use in cars with structure modified mechanics, it is pure ethanol. That is here an advantage. then like you recommend to make ethoxid?, if it is with KOH, like you to extract 5% of water that it is generated with the reaction KOH + EtOH.. I will prove again with NaOH in 7 g/l heating. Then I will see that it happens. How much isgood proportion to prove with new oil? _ Descubre la descarga digital con MSN Music. Más de un millón de canciones. http://music.msn.es/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jan's Methanol test
Hi Joe as I read this it seems that you are using 4 to 4.5 gal of methanol per 20 gal of oil. Is that right ? I use 20% and with good titration have not had a problem yet I think I will try to reduce it bit by bit so the usage can be reduced and washing maybe a little easier. Derick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kelly Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:01 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jan's Methanol test Joe, I've taken a while to respond toyour question becauseI have been tweaking my process. Ialso produced what seemed to be good BD, but invariably a very small residue would remain undissolved in the methanol. I wasn't sure that it was possible to make BD that passed the test. -I reduced my volume of oil to 20 gal (76L).(Iuse a 1 clearwater pumpfor agitation). -Raised the temp to 150F (Ina sealed water heater w. vented pressure relief valve.) -Increased the reaction time to 2.5 hrs. -Increased methanol from 4 to 4.5 gal I also use oil that is dry and consistently gives titrations of 1 - 1.2 g/L With all of this I finally produced BD that passedJan's Methanol Test. I havesince made a few adjustments in the interest of energy, time,and $. 1. (Based on a response by Bob Allen) I add the methoxide when temp is about 130F. Pump and heater continue to operate until temp is 150F (about 1 hour). I then turn off heater andallow the pump to run for another 1.5 hours. Final temp is about 140F. BD still passed Jan's Methanol Test. 2. I then went back to 4 gal of methanol (20% of Vol of oil). BD still passed Jan's test. Tom - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Jan's Methanol test Hi All; The other day I threw out a question but it was an afterthought on another thread. Nobody has answered so here I am trying again on a specific thread. I am interested to know how many on the list do Jan Warnqvist's methanol test and how much precipitate do people get? How much is ok? The description states that every 1 ml equals 4% contaminate and indicates what 'causes washing problems' I have absolutely no washing problems now with the way my reactor is running, my BD has a density of 0.88, there is a dramatic lightening of color after the split, I get a reasonable amount of glycerine (not that this means a hell of a lot) but as an example, last batch was horrible oil I had to use 15.5 grams of KOH per liter oil and I ended up with 23 liters of BD at the end out of 25 liters oil. The first wash water was milky white and the 4th was almost like drinking water and the PH was 7.3 vs 7.4 before washing. No detectable 3rd layer formed at any stage of the process. By all accounts this should be good quality fuel but I will still get a little fallout from the methanol test ( I haven't quantified it yet because I didn't do in in a graduated cylinder but there is definitely a clear amber liquid phase at the bottom on the tube after settling) So my question once again is who else uses this test and how is it going for you? Does anyone get a perfect result (no fallout) from this test? And finally should I be concerned by a couple of percent contamination in my fuel? I did search the mail archive twice using 'methanol test' and also 'Jan Warnqvist' as keywords, but the returns were not so informative. List members I need your wisdom! Jan perhaps you are most qualified to answer but I would really like to get a sense of the percentage of the list members who are running this test. So chime in! Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Save energy, eat green
Hi Keith, The methane issue is something to be considered. Methane gas is 24 times more potent as a green house gas than CO2. Also in some areas of the planet such as the province of British Columbia, Canada, many good forests are clear cut to supply grazing land for ranchers. Those big evergreen trees they cut down are great carbon sinks. People who consume mostly organic, unprocessed fruits, vegetables, whole grains, seeds and nuts are healthier according to many studies done on this including a study done at Harvard University. I do agree that small farms are better for the environment than factory farms. Eating food that is grown locally by small organic growers is probably the best for the environment. (less food miles) Terry Dyck From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Save energy, eat green Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:03:14 +0900 Hi Bob Hi again, This from the December 17 edition of the UK-based New Scientist. Regards, Bob. Save energy, eat green Are you considering switching to more eco-friendly fuels and means of transportation? You could do more by going vegan, say two University of Chicago researchers. Sigh... They didn't quote David Pimentel perhaps did they? You could do a hell of a lot more by getting away from industrialised agriculture, and then you'd find that sustainable farming just isn't sustainable unless you include animals, but these folks just aren't interested in hearing that news, they'll bend nature right out of shape rather than hear it. For the umpteenth time: Some people really hate it (and hate me) when I say these things, but there is no sustainable way of raising plants without animals. There is no traditional farming system that doesn't used animals, and never has been. It just doesn't work - soil fertility sooner or later fails, and then everything else fails too. Likewise in nature mixed farming is the rule, plants are always found with animals. God can't do it, and neither can we. Sustainable farms are mixed, integrated farms. Mumble mumble... Gidon Eshel and Pamela Martin looked at the amount of fossil fuel used in the cultivation of various foods. This included the running of agricultural machinery, crop irrigation and the provision of food for livestock. Other factors considered were the emission of methane and nitrous oxide gases produced by stock animals and their manure. They found that the typical US diet, of which about 28 per cent comes from animal sources, generated the equivalent of nearly 1.5 tonnes of carbon dioxide per person per year more than a vegan diet with the same number of calories. By comparison, the difference in annual emissions from an average saloon car and a hybrid energy-efficient vehicle is just over a tonne. However, the eco-friendly meat-eater needn't rush off and join a vegan commune. The article advises there is an alternative: eat less-processed animal products and poultry instead of red meat and thus help reduce greenhouse gases. The nonsense I see from vegetarian proselytisers these days, especially vegan ones, really is not good testimony to the effects of their diet on their brain chemicals. They can't think straight, they're just denialists. The red meat thing is another load of crap. As yet, I have not found a single group.which was building and maintaining excellent bodies by living entirely on plant foodsIn every instance where groups involved had been long under this teaching, I found evidence of degeneration -- Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, by Weston A. Price, 1939. The source you can't argue with - though you can twist it, distort it and ignore it. Like veggie Dermot Donnelly's weirdly blind and ever more furious attempts to do just that here recently. I'm sorry to see New Scientist and people like George Monbiot supporting this kind of nonsense, they should know better. I think they should all go out and eat a good steak. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Canada gone really neo-con
Thanks Darryl! I had to read quite a ways but was reallying hoping you would touch on the Green Party. If everyone that voted against the Party they didn't want in had put their vote to Green, it would have been a landslide. I really wish more of us Canadians voted with their head. Cheers Darryl McMahon wrote: Personally, having worked on the Green Party campaign this election with a woman I considered a really solid candidate, I am quite disappointed with the outcome for an environmental agenda in this country. The Darryl McMahon ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Good WVO
thanks, Tom. Makes good sense. the dark oil from the Chinese Food restaurant could be sesame seed oil?. -Mark -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Thomas KellySent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:14 PMTo: biofuelSubject: [Biofuel] Good WVO Mark wrote: "What are some good rules of thumb when looking for used veg oil? We have access to almost any kind of restaurant imaginable, here. Are some restaurants disposing of cleaner oil than others? Does it make a difference what has been cooked in the oil? For instance if a restaurant fries primarily fish products will that yield an oil with less fats? Is that a good thing for producing biodiesel?" -Mark When I was doing test batches I got samples of oil from several restaurants and found that color and quality varied considerably with titrations ranging from about 1 - 6g/L. If you are lucky enough to have a lot of sources to choose from I would recommend that you get samples of oil from each. Test for water, do titrations, cool samples to see cloud point, etc. Do test batches using oil from the samples. Set up your sources based on volume of oil you need and which samples were the best. I only need about 20 gal WVO/week, so small restaurants that don't have fryelators (sp?) are good sources. They don't produce a large volume of oil, (5 -7 gal/week/restaurant) but it is high quality and they usually don't have contracts w. renderers. The restaurants that give me the best WVO are also ones that serve good food. I frequent these restaurants w. family and friends it fosters a good relationship with the owners/managers/staff. One of the restaurants that I get oil from is a Chinese restaurant. The WVO is black. I was concerned about the color, but it tested very good. I have made good BD with it. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Canada gone really neo-con
Always happy to have a game of politics: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, Darryl McMahon wrote: Those without an interest in Canadian politics (our second-favourite bloodsport after hockey) can skip this message. OK, the election's over, now can the left-leaning wingnut media in particular, and the Liberal fear-mongers and those taken in by their hysteria, get over themselves? It's a campaign that I felt sank to new lows in terms of advertising in the mass media, and more so in the whispering campaigns. Both major parties were guilty. More frightening to me however is how the negative messages keep resonating, in spite of clear denials and being contrary to known facts (for the few prepared to actually determine facts). Left-leaning media in Canada? The wingnut CBC is mostly incompetent (their Marketplace story on biodiesel never mentioned the inherent 'carbon-neutral' emissions of renewable oil, it only stated biodiesel had slightly lower co2 emissions than petroleum) and human interest pablum, but generally not left-leaning. Canwest owns a shitload of news dailies and television stations, and they have a definite big business agenda. And media ownership in Canada continues to concentrate. Realistically, how scary can a party with roots in the populist Reform party and the traditional Progressive Party (remember the Red Tories?) really be? And anyone who leaps to the conclusion that this group is in league with the U.S. neo-cons just because the party name is Conservative needs a long lesson in Canadian political history. While they may seem the right edge of the spectrum in Canada, I think you'll find they are hardly right-wing in terms of U.S. ideology (or is that idolatry?). Because they rise like the Phoenix from the PC's past, I consider the New P's extremely dangerous. Brian Mulroney is a villain from a histrical context, who wholeheartedly endorsed the rights of big business profits over the citizen, and we are still struggling to survive this. It is now standard political discourse (ie, mainstream media talk) to accept neoliberal agendas as normal, and dialogue coming from a public welfare perspective is considered trivial, radical or ignorantly misguided. The only government that has implemented martial law in this country is not the Conservatives, but the Liberals (FLQ crisis). Compared to the Liberal record in my lifetime, almost anything else in our range of experience in Canada would be better. (see exception immediately following) Yes you are right! I never meant my first post to be an endorsement of the Liberal's, and I apologize for any inferences to this effect! The closest thing to a fascist government I have experienced was the leftist Ontario NDP government of Bob Rae, which unilaterally tore up legal contracts with public service unions and changed their conditions of employment adversely without any course of appeal. The BC Liberal's have been tearing up contracts and severely punishing striking workers. This one gets my vote for most aggressive fascist regime in Canada... I have an acquaintance in the Canadian military (front-line infantry division) who commented on the Liberal ad that included the reprehensible soldiers, with guns, in our streets line. His response (after years of Liberal military underfunding), when will we get the guns? Another wag commented to the effect of, 'Guns, sure. But will they actually be issued bullets?' I don't know how I feel about that one. I like my navy friends, but can you really argue that Canada's military policy is becoming much 'American'? I canot accept that Canadian troops in Afghanistan and Iraq are on peacekeeping missions... By comparison, I figure a minority Conservative government should be pretty innocuous. There are some things in their platform I liked (which is not to be mistaken for a wholesale endorsement). I would like to see accountability in government. It disturbs me that the lead whistle-blower in the Adscam debacle was not elected, losing out to the incumbent representing the party that committed the crimes. That's hardly a ringing endorsement from the electorate for clean, transparent government. I would like to see the fiscal imbalance corrected (the feds have hiked taxes on individuals during the past dozen years, while reneging on commitments to the provinces and municipal governments who actually have to fund most of the programs, like health care). I would like to see the national gun registry, which was designed to make legal and responsible ownership of guns onerous while ignoring the issue of illegal guns, dismantled. I'm not a gun owner, just a taxpayer. I would like to see some honest debate on the issue of Canada's commitment to Kyoto, unlike the Liberal photo-op announcement with no serious follow-up. I would like to see us seriously address the issue of Arctic sovereignty, not just talk about it for another decade. Regarding biofuels,
Re: [Biofuel] Canada gone really neo-con
I vote for who I think would do the best job. My local Green candidate is a bit of a jerk, has no experience, and is an economist (I'm biased against that kind of shamanism). I wanted to vote green party because I agree with the principle that the environment is the most important issue, but... On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, John Mullan wrote: Thanks Darryl! I had to read quite a ways but was reallying hoping you would touch on the Green Party. If everyone that voted against the Party they didn't want in had put their vote to Green, it would have been a landslide. I really wish more of us Canadians voted with their head. Cheers Darryl McMahon wrote: Personally, having worked on the Green Party campaign this election with a woman I considered a really solid candidate, I am quite disappointed with the outcome for an environmental agenda in this country. The Darryl McMahon ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method
Sorry Pieter I guess I should have told you Drano is a NHO caustic soda base drain cleaner. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bioclaire Nederland Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:03 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method Can somebody explain me what is Drano ? Pieter. - Original Message - From: Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method This is more a warning than a question. But many years ago I was told that if you put Drano in a ping pong ball by use of a syringe then seal the hole. Throw the ball in gasoline and run your ass off. The gas was supposed to melt the ball and there was supposed to be a very big explosion. I never tried this although I was young at the time, I was not that stupid. If this is true gas in bio with lye have a negative effect. As I said this maybe a myth but its worth checking on. Good health. Derick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:46 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method A small amount of gasoline in the biodiesel shouldn't affect it too much. Some of the crazy schemes for using unheated SVO call for mixing it with 15% gasoline or such. While I don't think this is necessarily good for the diesel engine, the majority of the problems I have heard of from doing this are not sufficiently dissolving the oil, not problems with the gasoline component per se. It also seems that gasoline should be separable from biodiesel by distillation, because of the much lower vapor pressure of gasoline, although I am not sure about that. Z On 1/26/06, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan, Wouldn't you expect that 500 ppm water would be picked up in any recovered ethanol, due to even a small amount of soap production? also if the ethanol used is for automobile use, is it an E-85 blend, ie, 15% gasoline? If so I would think that the gasoline would partition into any biodiesel made from this alcohol source. How would the gasoline impact the biodiesel? Jan Warnqvist wrote: Hello Bias Antonio, Ken is right, the NaOH dissolves a lot quicker in ethanol if heated. In order to make ethyl esters the quality of the reactants has to be high: ethanol min 99,5% pure and oil with a water content 500 ppm and a stochiometric surplus of ethanol of at least 75% and why not 100% ? The economy of this is depending upon your possibilities of recover the excess ethanol. Good luck to you AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method On Jan 25, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Blas Antonio Guanes wrote: the problem is that, methanol costs 4 $ and pure ethanol for car costs 0.52 $, NaOH is gotten in any part.. KOH is sold in bags of 25 kilos for soap industry.. Here in Paragua it is difficult to get chemical products. for that reason I want know how I can make with oil, ethanol and NaOH Have you tried dissolving NaOH in pure anhydrous ethanol? It is difficult. If you can dissolve the required amount (perhaps by boiling the ethanol/NaOH mixture under reflux), you could possibly make biodiesel out of very clean dry oil. If you only use 3.5g NaOH per liter of oil, or if your ethanol or oil contain any water, you will probably never achieve separation of a glycerine phase. All your ingredients go into a clear solution, and just stay that way forever. Until glycerine separates, you don't have biodiesel. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list
Re: [Biofuel] Canada gone really neo-con
Hi Darryl, Congratulations for working for the Green Party. Your long letter started off sounding like you were actually helping the governing anti Kyoto party. The Fair Vote committee who educate people about the merrits of Proportional Representation stated that under their better system ( Pro Rep) the Green Party would have 12 seats after this election because they received 4.5 % of the popular vote. Instead they have zero seats because the vote was spread accross the country. Also because people knew that the Green Party probably would not get elected in their riding, most of them probably voted for either Liberal or NDP to keep the Conservatives from winning in their riding. Under the new system they could vote for the Green Party and know that their vote would count, which would have increased the Green Vote substantially. In other words, in our present system the only way for the Green Party to get a seat would be for all of the Green voters to move to one riding. With Pro Rep your vote would be based on total percentage not on winning a riding. Terry Dyck From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Canada gone really neo-con Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:06:19 -0500 Those without an interest in Canadian politics (our second-favourite bloodsport after hockey) can skip this message. OK, the election's over, now can the left-leaning wingnut media in particular, and the Liberal fear-mongers and those taken in by their hysteria, get over themselves? It's a campaign that I felt sank to new lows in terms of advertising in the mass media, and more so in the whispering campaigns. Both major parties were guilty. More frightening to me however is how the negative messages keep resonating, in spite of clear denials and being contrary to known facts (for the few prepared to actually determine facts). Realistically, how scary can a party with roots in the populist Reform party and the traditional Progressive Party (remember the Red Tories?) really be? And anyone who leaps to the conclusion that this group is in league with the U.S. neo-cons just because the party name is Conservative needs a long lesson in Canadian political history. While they may seem the right edge of the spectrum in Canada, I think you'll find they are hardly right-wing in terms of U.S. ideology (or is that idolatry?). The only government that has implemented martial law in this country is not the Conservatives, but the Liberals (FLQ crisis). Compared to the Liberal record in my lifetime, almost anything else in our range of experience in Canada would be better. (see exception immediately following) The closest thing to a fascist government I have experienced was the leftist Ontario NDP government of Bob Rae, which unilaterally tore up legal contracts with public service unions and changed their conditions of employment adversely without any course of appeal. I have an acquaintance in the Canadian military (front-line infantry division) who commented on the Liberal ad that included the reprehensible soldiers, with guns, in our streets line. His response (after years of Liberal military underfunding), when will we get the guns? Another wag commented to the effect of, 'Guns, sure. But will they actually be issued bullets?' By comparison, I figure a minority Conservative government should be pretty innocuous. There are some things in their platform I liked (which is not to be mistaken for a wholesale endorsement). I would like to see accountability in government. It disturbs me that the lead whistle-blower in the Adscam debacle was not elected, losing out to the incumbent representing the party that committed the crimes. That's hardly a ringing endorsement from the electorate for clean, transparent government. I would like to see the fiscal imbalance corrected (the feds have hiked taxes on individuals during the past dozen years, while reneging on commitments to the provinces and municipal governments who actually have to fund most of the programs, like health care). I would like to see the national gun registry, which was designed to make legal and responsible ownership of guns onerous while ignoring the issue of illegal guns, dismantled. I'm not a gun owner, just a taxpayer. I would like to see some honest debate on the issue of Canada's commitment to Kyoto, unlike the Liberal photo-op announcement with no serious follow-up. I would like to see us seriously address the issue of Arctic sovereignty, not just talk about it for another decade. Regarding biofuels, the Conservatives were the only party of the three majors with a quantifiable, verifiable policy: 5% average ethanol content in gasoline and 5% biodiesel content in diesel fuel on a national, annual basis by 2010 (which would have been the end of their mandate if they got a majority). BTW, I see the media have already set the tone for their
[Biofuel] [Fwd: [IP] Legal FAQs on NSA Wiretaps]
Begin forwarded message: From: Peter Swire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: January 27, 2006 5:24:54 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Legal FAQs on NSA Wiretaps Dave: I have written “Legal FAQs on NSA Wiretaps.” It just went up at www.americanprogress.org/FAQswiretaps and www.peterswire.net. There is a short executive summary, and also more detailed QAs. The intent is to write for a smart lay audience, and not only for lawyers. The hope is to update over time. It reaches very different conclusions from the “Myths and Realities about NSA Wiretaps” that the Justice Department posted today. Best, Peter Prof. Peter P. Swire C. William O'Neill Professor Moritz College of Law of the Ohio State University Visiting Senior Fellow, Center for American Progress (240) 994-4142, www.peterswire.net ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] [Fwd: [local-b100-biz] Interesting possible ramifications for Biodiesel producers]
They seem to have formulated an approach that uses biodiesel production byproduct glycerol to make gas which is then used to make Hydrogen, and is then used to make power. http://news.tradingcharts.com/futures/4/6/74902264.html The company opted to use glycerol, a byproduct from the production of biodiesel, as the source rather than a corn-based sugar, Apfelbach said. The system uses natural gas briefly to start the four-cylinder engine, the same kind found in a Ford Focus. The engine then provides the heat to enable the chemical process that creates a hydrogen gas that in turn runs the engine and delivers power to the grid. It's really a hydrogen or fuel gas generator that is much more efficient and emissions-friendly than anything that's available, he said. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
