Re: [Biofuel] concept power source, and possible coooling system for Earth

2007-01-02 Thread Joe Street
Hey Jason; You are onto something there. A massive thunderstorm is very much like a heat engine which transports heat from the surface into the upper troposphere. The troposphere can be thought of as the cold side heat sink with an average temperature of -20 C. This heat engine does all

Re: [Biofuel] Radiation Ovens, the Proven Dangers of Microwaves

2007-01-02 Thread Joe Street
Kirk do you have a reference? What Swiss Study? Joe Kirk McLoren wrote: you can only do the best you can. Some things may not be clear. The microwave evidence is clear. We ceased microwaving after the Swiss study. I hope you do the same. Kirk */robert and benita rabello [EMAIL

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Re: [Biofuel] Radiation Ovens, the Proven Dangers of Microwaves

2007-01-02 Thread Keith Addison
Kirk do you have a reference? What Swiss Study? Hans Hertel's study, the one referred to in the original post: http://snipurl.com/16d3w [Biofuel] Radiation Ovens, the Proven Dangers of Microwaves And in my reply to Robert, below: Some further bracingly cheerful news for you, from Acres USA:

Re: [Biofuel] Radiation Ovens, the Proven Dangers of Microwaves

2007-01-02 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Robert Keith Addison wrote: Sympathies Robert (though we're all in the same lifeboat), but are you sure you're figuring it right? Maybe the next sentence would be but I didn't die long go so it must all be nonsense. No, that's not what I was thinking. I didn't think it was, hence

[Biofuel] Vacation in a self sustaining society

2007-01-02 Thread Joe Street
Hi all; Since we talk so much about sustainability here I thought I would share some news of my vacation in Cuba. On the one hand I guess my trip could be viewed as an exercise in hipocracy from a sustainability perspective what with flying down there on a jet etc. Forgive me oh lord of

Re: [Biofuel] Radiation Ovens, the Proven Dangers of Microwaves

2007-01-02 Thread Keith Addison
Hello again Robert I'm afraid I did you an injustice - I checked and found that you did read Price's Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. Sorry about that. Well, it's relevant anyway, eg: But the fact that I HAVEN'T keeled over yet is a tribute to the robust nature of the human body.

[Biofuel] Fwd: energy environmental poll

2007-01-02 Thread Keith Addison
FWIW - I just got sent this. Focus on hybrids and hydrogen cars, global warming and so on. Maybe they could use a little reality on the subject of hydrogen, for one thing, like Darryl's book for instance: http://www.econogics.com/TENHE/index.htm The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy Just a

Re: [Biofuel] Vacation in a self sustaining society

2007-01-02 Thread Kirk McLoren
I would like to do that! What a great holiday. Kirk Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all; Since we talk so much about sustainability here I thought I would share some news of my vacation in Cuba. On the one hand I guess my trip could be viewed as an exercise in hipocracy from a

Re: [Biofuel] FDA announces cloned meat safe to eat

2007-01-02 Thread Luke Hansen
I guess that I can see where you're coming from with the whole internalize bit, but I think that once this GM animal thing becomes commonplace it'll become neigh impossible to avoid these products unless you raise your own food animals or buy from a very local source. Additionally, What happens

Re: [Biofuel] Drivers face road charge by satellite in UK

2007-01-02 Thread Luke Hansen
It's disappointing to see this kind of implementation of domestic spying smoothly masked by environmental concern. Yes Kirk, you have a legitimate point, but christ, a tracking device...that you have to pay for! In Washington state we passed a measure where an additional vehicle registration fee

[Biofuel] Jacques Benveniste

2007-01-02 Thread D. Mindock
I came across this as I research bio-electric healing. Quite a nice eulogy: http://jacques.benveniste.org/english/index_eng.html Jacques never gave up on his love, true science. Peace, D. Mindock ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Drivers face road charge by satellite in UK *#

2007-01-02 Thread yankeetrader
Dear DM, This must be a hoax. Any MP with half a brain would just add to the fuel tax to achieve this result. Redgards, Wendell From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/01 Mon AM 07:04:19 CST To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@unspecified-domain Subject: [Biofuel] Drivers face road charge

Re: [Biofuel] FDA announces cloned meat safe to eat

2007-01-02 Thread leo bunyan
I think you are wrong Kieth There is plenty of choice and I stand by what I say about If you don't like don't buy it I have been changing the way I consume what I need on a much larger scale in the past 6yrs since leaving the city once again and this time for good. It is the consumerist that

Re: [Biofuel] Drivers face road charge by satellite in UK *#

2007-01-02 Thread Derick Giorchino
I feel the pain. Here in the states we pay 95 + cents on a gal where the cost is $2.67 for regular. And here in California we have the worst road conditions in the nation. This I have been told by long haul truckers. So where is all the cash going? As far as freedom thatÂ’s a dead issue. I feel the

Re: [Biofuel] Drivers face road charge by satellite in UK *#

2007-01-02 Thread dwoodard
Fuel taxes hit everyone, people living in sparsely populated rural areas as well as people living in densely populated cities. If road use is the problem (and especially if it is a problem only at certain times) then tax road use. That will be the most economically efficient solution. Doug

Re: [Biofuel] FDA announces cloned meat safe to eat

2007-01-02 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Luke I guess that I can see where you're coming from with the whole internalize bit, but I think that once this GM animal thing becomes commonplace it'll become neigh impossible to avoid these products unless you raise your own food animals or buy from a very local source. Additionally,

Re: [Biofuel] FDA announces cloned meat safe to eat

2007-01-02 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Luke I think you are wrong Kieth But you've left out what I said. Here it is: Leo, I think you're making a mistake in assuming that there's some kind of free choice at work. There isn't, much - yes, it is possible to exercise individual choice, but in the face of a massive, pervasive and

Re: [Biofuel] Drivers face road charge by satellite in UK

2007-01-02 Thread Kirk McLoren
yes, they are out of control and they are fearful -thus the desire for the security state. we are ruled by nutters Kirk Luke Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's disappointing to see this kind of implementation of domestic spying smoothly masked by environmental concern. Yes Kirk, you

Re: [Biofuel] Radiation Ovens, the Proven Dangers of Microwaves

2007-01-02 Thread robert and benita rabello
Keith Addison wrote: (that's not what I was thinking) I didn't think it was, hence the maybe, but it's often where that line of thinking leads, and thence to apathy/hopelessness, which is not the only realistic option so many seem to think it is. Abandon hope all ye who enter here - but

Re: [Biofuel] FDA announces cloned meat safe to eat

2007-01-02 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Luke Sorry, should have been Leo. On the other hand... I think you are wrong Kieth That's not my name either. Best Keith But you've left out what I said. Here it is: Leo, I think you're making a mistake in assuming that there's some kind of free choice at work. There isn't, much -