>Kirk do you have a reference? What Swiss Study? Hans Hertel's study, the one referred to in the original post: http://snipurl.com/16d3w [Biofuel] Radiation Ovens, the Proven Dangers of Microwaves
And in my reply to Robert, below: >>>Some further bracingly cheerful news for you, from Acres USA: >>>http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/microwave.html >>>The Hidden Hazards of Microwave Cooking Best Keith >Joe > >Kirk McLoren wrote: > >>you can only do the best you can. >>Some things may not be clear. >>The microwave evidence is clear. >>We ceased microwaving after the Swiss study. >>I hope you do the same. >> >>Kirk >> >>robert and benita rabello <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>Keith Addison wrote: >> >>>Sympathies Robert (though we're all in the same lifeboat), but are >>>you sure you're figuring it right? Maybe the next sentence would >>>be "but I didn't die long go so it must all be nonsense". >>> >> >> No, that's not what I was thinking. The sheer volume of >>environmental insult we're subjected to seems overwhelming, and >>depressing. Someone posted an article here about water >>contamination in the "pristine" lakes of various BC mountain >>ranges, due to airborne pollutants. We simply can't get away from >>the problem anymore. The air quality in Vancouver (right on the >>beach) is often marginal because of smog blowing in from Asia. >> >> Sigh . . . >> >> But the fact that I HAVEN'T keeled over yet is a tribute to the >>robust nature of the human body. >> >>> But are you going to live as long and as healthily as your >>>grandparents did, say? >>> >> >> Likely more. I've already outlived my father, and I've only a >>few years remaining before I outlive my paternal grandmother. >>Recall, however, that my family is from Brasil, and that life >>expectancy among my grandparent's generation wasn't great . . . If >>I outlive my in-laws, I'll be doing well! >> >>>How about your children? >>> >> >> That concerns me! >> >>> You still have some difficulty grasping the Precautionary >>>Principle eh? More than enough reason for at least precaution in >>>all thoise issues you mention. You'd rather have proof beyond >>>all possibility of denial while various corporate bottom-lines >>>get optimised even better and even more crap gets externalised >>>your way? Powerful stuff denial, especially considering the >>>gigabuck resources of the deniers. Downright pity about all the >>>collateral in the meantime though. >>> >> >> Indeed! But my take on this is a little bit more complicated >>than you seem to grasp. I grew up in a subculture where taboos on >>food were related to a person's spiritual condition and had to be >>accepted without criticism. Cheese, for instance, was considered >>unfit for human consumption. (I'm NOT kidding!) The consumption >>of meat was frowned upon, and NOBODY ate pork or shellfish. We >>didn't drink alcohol, or take drugs (unless prescribed by a >>physician, and then, only with great reluctance). We didn't smoke >>cigarettes, or chew tobacco either. Some of these things are >>clearly unhealthy, while the impact on health of the prohibited >>foods is either scientifically unsupported or downright silly. >> >> But I wouldn't have come to that conclusion had I not begun >>questioning what had been presented to me as fact. As far as the >>Precautionary Principle is concerned, you're right to point out >>that I'm having trouble embracing it, but please bear in mind that >>it's a very different way of thinking, and it takes time to >>assimilate what I learn here. (I've already abandoned >>vegetarianism, and that was REALLY tough!) It gets to the point >>where it seems EVERYTHING is bad for human health, the sky is >>falling and we're all going to die horribly . . . >> >> Now, as far as microwave ovens are concerned, my sweetheart >>uses ours for reheating food and I use it when warming water for >>tea. If we applied the Precautionary Principle to our society as a >>whole, we'd have to get rid of electricity because of EMF concerns, >>fossil hydrocarbon fuels because of cancer and global warming >>worries, mineral extraction because of heavy metals leaching into >>groundwater, and on and on and on . . . >> >> Perhaps I'm overstating the case, and maybe this stems from the >>fact that I really haven't wrapped my mind around the Precautionary >>Principle yet. But where DOES it stop, Keith? (Air and water >>pollution are pretty obvious candidates for broad based application >>of the Precautionary Principle, but what about mineral extraction, >>or forestry? Can we survive as a society without mining some of >>the earth's dowry?) I can hear the extremists from my past >>screaming that milk "is designed to grow a calf into a cow for a >>year," and that we should never consume milk or milk products >>because of potential deleterious impacts on human health. They >>too, cite studies to prove their point and tell me that the >>arthritis in my joints stems from drinking milk over such a long >>period of time. >> >> Please forgive me for ranting about this. I'm TRYING to >>understand, but I'm frustrated, too! >> >>>Some further bracingly cheerful news for you, from Acres USA: >>><http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/microwave.html>http://www.nexus >>>magazine.com/articles/microwave.html The Hidden Hazards of >>>Microwave Cooking >>> >> >> Lovely! >> >> I reheat most of my food in the toaster oven, and I've been >>trying to get my longsuffering wife to do the same. I'm printing >>this article for her to read. >> >>(growing things again) >> >>> We're under snow right now but there's plenty still growing >>>here, different kinds of greens that can take the cold, Chinese >>>cabbages, ta sai, kometsuma, Swiss chard and so on, and turnips >>>and stuff. We're still digging new potatoes! We planted them >>>much too late, I didn't think we'd get anything, but there's >>>quite a lot, nice! We'll be harvesting winter-hardy onions soon, >>>planted in September (or was it October). We should be able to >>>get us and the poultry through to the spring on fresh food. >>> >> >> You're a model of self-sufficiency, Keith! Our ground is rock >>hard right now. >> >>>Anyway, what makes you so sure there'll be a spring? :-) >>> >> >> I read a book by Michael Drosnin concerning equidistant letter >>sequences in the Old Testament. (It's his second one on the >>subject, and has to rank among the most rambling and ill-written >>things I've read in a long time!) He advocates using this >>technique as a kind of palantir to determine the future, and warned >>that we'd suffer a nuclear holocaust in 2006, because the words >>"nuclear", "holocaust" and the equivalent year of "2006" in the >>Hebrew calendar all cross one another. Given that today is the >>last day of the year, if he's right, tomorrow is going to be very >>different! >> >> I'm either skeptical, or I've got my head in the sand. I want >>spring to come. It'll be good to get out in the garden again. >> >> Now, if I can just get that pesky truck of mine running . . . >> >>robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" "The Long Journey" New >>Adventure for Your Mind >><http://www.newadventure.ca/>http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger >>Supercharger Project Page >><http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/>http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabell >>o/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
